Kirstie Saunders In Scotland we intorduced the PVG scheme because of the Soham murders as part of the case recommendations so basically anyone wanting to work with children or vulnerable adults need to undergo police checks and really intense background checks before being given employment in one of these sectors... not sure if England do the same sort of thing though.... x

182suzie2011 England do the same, not sure when it started but I have to have a background check to do a childcare college course ☺️

We have it here in Australia too, you have to get a background police check done and a “working with children” card for childcare, teaching, jobs in schools or any job where you’re around children, my boyfriend even needs one as he’s a builder and they occasionally work in schools. Such an important thing, so sad that it wasn’t in place before this happened to the girls :(

the background checks in the UK started as a result of these murders. I grew up near where it happened and we studied local schools in history and one of the reasons for the increased safeguarding laws in schools now was because of these murders and the fact he managed to get a job in a school despite previous allegations because of the lack of checks/resources available then

He got a job at a college. I'm sure if he'd tried to get hired on at a school like where Maxine got on at, he would have been denied.

This has no business being this funny

Yes, it is nonsense especially when it should take a lot longer to drown someone in a bath it takes 4 mins to drown someone, not four seconds.

yeh like how does a 10-year old drown in a bath that easily? she can stand-up also, how did she suffocate you don't need to cover her nose you can't scream from your nose

The guy is dying of Corona yano

@@stevie-leighbarker1836 is he actually? 🤣

He said that the bath was full because he was cleaning his dog, didn’t say anything about how long he was holding her, he said he accidentally bumped into her to knock her into the bath and he says he didn’t pull her out because he was 1. Shocked and scared and 2. Was too pre occupied with blocking the other girls mouth to “stop her screaming”. He has so much bullshit excuses for it, he was loving the attention he got

The only possible reason is that he was going to take a bath soon, and that Holly tripped? But then again, he could have easily gotten her out.

That was some made up rubbish and he's still sticking to it!!

Well he put his hand over her mouth? That takes alot of time & it's doubtful it would kill someone he probably raped & strangled or beat them!

@@ReyRanAway he was going to take a bath who runs a bath & walks outside to talk to 2 young girls who just happen to be walking by? I think the dog had run over to them & they brought it back which us how he got them both in the house!

That's horrible.i hope he got the help he needed

i hope he's doing better now

my mum went to school with him (Ian Huntley)

@@rachel.810 Apparently he was badly bullied, sounds a bad school

Can ask him why was he able work in school with 7 to 10 yr old kids after his first convection

Madison Miller Scotland introduced the PVG scheme as a recommendation on this case so that anyone working with children and vulnerable adults need fo go through very indepth police and background checks... not sure about England though... i know it doesnt help what did happen but will hopefully prevent this type of thing happening again x

182suzie2011 that's great that Scotland is doing that! Everywhere needs to that same thing. I feel like so many criminals end up working in jobs with close proximity to children, and other vulnerable people. It's so sad

Madison Miller back then there was no such thing as police back ground checks on anyone who came from a different area its actually told in the documentary called Soham: 15 years on I've watched its very insightful and explains a lot.

I believe they got introduced because of this case. The uk do intensive checks now. They're a lot of safeguarding policies that have been put in place since this happened

Madison Miller my mum in fact used to work with him. he used to drive behind her to make sure he got home safe . weird

Marissa Kraus I know I can't believe people on here are saying it was probably an accident , crap!

Literally if I was a barrister or judge and he came out with that blatant bullshit my automatic 'BITCH R U SERIOUS?' face would have come on. Why did he not just admit it.

I'm not agreeing with him but it's more common then you expect

Another thing is why did he clean his house if it was an accident ? It may have not been premeditated but his behavior afterwards was suspicious and he probably would have gotten a lesser sentence if he called it in Immediately because it was an accident... Allegedly

@@darksoulxx9013 How can murdering two people by accident be common though? Also, it's actually much more easier to take out a drowning girl from a bathtube than for her to drown in it... It's not an ocean. I only can agree with falling accidentally, which may happens, but not on two deaths...

maybe she bumped her head off the wall or side of the bath while falling in

@@dZRize if he bumped into her , he would've knew that she fell in the tub..

@@dZRize with 2 other people in the bathroom? And nobody pulled her out? Even if she did bump her head it’s literally a bathtub. What’s the likelihood of her falling in a shallow tub in the exact way that her head is continuously underwater?

@@dZRize yeh and maybe pigs fly and shit rainbows.

Fabian Santamaria ahah nae bother

oh my god glad their okay

Kathi c he was obviously planning on murdering them otherwise he wouldn't have the breath filled up with Water and then accidently kill both kids. He is a sicko

well, maybe he or his vile girlfriend were having a bath?

Kathi c I didn’t even realize that wow your smart :)

Never mind that. How can you not save her

How does a competent 10 year old drown in a bath like even if she fell in couldn't she have just stood up and got out?

Rachel Kappius I know right when he said she "drowned" right when she fell into the bath, I was just like ummm you could have come up with a better lie. And the fact that the bathtub was just filled for this young girl to fall in and die right away????

That's what I was thinking as well, it sounds so unlikely that something like what he "confessed" could've happened

she could have possibly been disorientated from the nose bleed? i honestly don't really know what I believe but he was obviously buried them knowingly.

and what would be the reason to have a filled tub when you're assisting with a nosebleed.

clairvoyages good point 👍

He was, you're very correct. And Maxine Carr was NOT the teacher, she was a Classroom Assistant. It has bugged me watching the video with these inaccuracies.

Maxine worked at their school as a teaching assistant but Huntley was another local high school, not the girls school.

Isn’t Ian Huntley the reason we have dbs checks now? Correct me if I’m wrong just my psychology teacher said he was a big part of the reason we now have that.

@@emilynotley6627 its kinda complex because dbs checks are an updated version from the CRBs introduced 6 months after Huntley killed the girls. So CRB was and technically by extension DBS wouldn't exist without that but its a more updated version introduced years later, I think 6.

@@collideescope7184 I can never understand why they changed from CRB to DBS checks. The DBS checks reveal everything, including irrelevant things like parking tickets and informal warnings given for trivial offences like public harassment and affray and the possession of weed. Unnecessary to include such trivial matter. Oh, the madness of Theresa May (I think).

Its an image i remember well and always will. Such a tragic story. Poor girls.

Same, I was also 6 and still to this day that photo of the two girls and the names Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman are well and truly burnt into my brain ☹️

You're right. The picture is infamous. I would have said iconic (in relation to the case) but i feel that word is inappropriate

Libby A yes, I think I was around 8 when this happened and I still remember their photo on the news. It’s weird how stuff like this sticks with you even when you’re so young!

I was the same age and this picture and all of the news reports are unforgettable.

Aww this is so sweet that he would do that for Jessica ❤️

He's very sweet for doing this.

After all these years this is the first time I've heard about this.

@@rebeccaamartin9691 I only found out the other day as I'm currently reading the book Kevin Wells wrote (Holly's dad).

Sistraa maybe Elenore didn't know that and why she didn't or couldn't put it in her video

sense of power.

Narcissism

Narcissism. Watch the tapes of Ted Bundy. He fought to the bitter end, (the courtroom was a joke!) And you'll see what true narcissism is.

It was a big project to take on, being the last person to see - sorry..one of the last persons to see them.

Narcissistic people. They get a buzz out of seeing what they have caused and they think they can get away with it so parade themselves in front of the cameras and at searches etc xxxxx

She knew a child had been murdered and helped cover it up. Wake up you complete moron.

@@mattb6704 i dont think they’re a ‘complete moron’, obviously what she did was horrendous and she deserves time for it but maybe Huntley threatened her to cover up for him? or maybe said he would do the same to her if she told anyone. obviously she’s just as much as responsible as he is but maybe there’s another side to the story. again i’m not saying what she did was okay or should be glossed over because she’s still as guilty as Huntley

@@mattb6704 there is no need to call someone a moron for sharing their very real experience.

Remember the Daisy's destruction case. The girls involved were abused and groomed. It's not black and white.

i respect your perspective, but thats different, she knew the children were murdered, and she helped cover it up. i would agree with you if she didnt know, but she did.

Awhh that's really sweet

That is really sweet ☺

@james oneill what do you mean they did it because it was nice gesture not because it would necessarily help solve the case

@@freya1136 he means it's a useless gesture. Actually volunteering your time or finances is considered helping. I'm sorry. I agree.

@@sparkeymcmurphy yes I agree it’s useless but it is still a nice thing to do - when Man U and Beckham decided to do the minutes silence and dedicate the goal they didn’t do it because they thought it would help the case they did it to be nice and show support as well as raise national awareness for the case. I’m just trying to find where in my original comment I said it was useful I just stated what they did

Agreed

Thats a really cool idea

You can my cousins case in this week!! Please her name is Hailey Dunn she was on Nancy grace

Compare holly & jessica’s parents to madeleine’s parents - who showed no concern

Thats why I came to this video too

Please tell me why they mentioned this case?

its shayy i think it was because the murderer of holly & jess was unexpected as it was the man who was helping the investigation so they thought that might’ve been the case with madeleine & her murderer/kidnapper was someone helping the investigation

@@ella3347 I don't know where people are looking when they say this stuff about the McCann's as I only ever saw parents that were desperate to find their child.

sun floer that’s so crazy, i wonder what she thought when this happened. must of been very confusing

It's a wonder he didn't try anything as he's been dodgy since very young and violent

I'm not surprised and it explains a lot. He was doing something to get young woman to fall in love with him in such a short period of time. He was acting as a protector to gain their trust. It kinda sounds like he was trying that with your mom and it didnt work.

maybe the theory Ian Huntley Innocent. US Airforce Sergeant Killed Hollie And Jessica, isn't such a mad idea?

@@msl381 is not a crazy theory is the truth at that time american forces was strong in soham tony Blair had to do cover up on this case or else the entire nation in Britian would have went mayhem if the public found out american troops were behind the murder

Iris Van Dalen I know right, I have been waiting for Eleanor's themed week for a while now. And not only is there going to be seven videos, but eight. It's going to be a great week. a great week.

As soon as I read this she said it 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

your so pure 😍🙏

Pray to your make believe unicorns?

@@shunsloman9313 what

LMAO ME! 😂

@@Z12457 im proud

Annette O it really makes me happy how much hate they get from other criminals. Like cold blooded gangsta still don’t fuck with kids like that. I would love to be a thug that beat up child killers

I know it's crazy that even criminals have a conscience and hate people who hurt and murder children.

Not just a US thing. Child killers / sex offenders are kept in a separate wing from other prisoners in the UK as they're particularly vulnerable to being attacked.

This is because most criminals were treated badly as children making them criminals in adult hood...criminals aka people who steal and are even in gangs don’t like when people mess with kids..they know how it feels most of the time. That’s why they gang up on the chomos.

Same over here in Australia I think in most countries

I thought for that bit that she was the killer.

💯% 👏👏

I think it was a freundian slip. She didn’t KNOW he did it, and probably denied it to herself, but part of her suspected him

these girls have been missing, with so much stress going on in this town, what would you’ve said huh??

a lot of teachers also refer to their students in the past tense after the school year is over, i know i do that with old teachers

And theoretically she could have got life imprisonment for perjury.

Wasn’t she their teacher/teacher’s assistant in the previous year or something? I’ve seen teachers in life talking about former students in the past tense, since after the year’s over, they don’t usually maintain much contact, so they say something like “she was an amazing student, and was a really sweet girl” instead of using “is”.

I agree with both points here. It isn't particularly unusual to talk about your former students in the past tense in certain ways, "she was a great student". Maybe this year she's not, I don't know. The thing I did think was weird was when she said she would treasure the paper from them. Like she knew they weren't going to find the girls alive.

After that interview police where onto her straight away they noticed how she spoke in past tense and thats what made them look into Ian Huntley more closely :)

It was odd when she pulled out the peice paper from one of the girls and said something like "I'll keep this for the rest of my life" that struck me as a really weird thing to say

True what ur saying makes sense

Yes. Murder puns.

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@@phaanumathyphaanumathy3983 *you alright there buddy*

I'm sorry.

@@hannaisayno2968 what the fuck are you on about lmaooo

Hanna Isayno He admitted to it??

Hanna Isayno No way. I did some extra digging after reading your comments and there is absolutely no way he’s innocent. You really shouldn’t stan for child killers, it’s not a good look.

Hanna Isayno are you on crack? he did it.

Hanna Isayno he was there and he admitted it, he also had a past of violence crimes. why would he admit and who else would of done it? he did, ur just a troll.

Omg seriously? I live in Bridlington and I had no idea- I guess that’s the point though

Abbey Loxton she might have moved by now but apparently she was living on west hill

She lived in different areas of the North east I was told at was at one point living in a town right next to mine xxxxx

Immy Alexandra So do I , I walk my dogs there allll the time

Thank you for helping with the case!

Wiktoria. Same!

Bethany Williams I think they meant that they hadn't taken a lot of money, like 100 pounds to run away with out of a piggy bank. When I went to get sweets when I was little, sometimes I had only like 20 cents with me which nobody investigating would notice.

They probs brought the sweets and ate them and used all their money

How did they know they were going for sweets they didn't tell anyone, parents didn't know they were missing for 2 hours

22manky might’ve been cctv of them going in and out the shop with the sweets maybe, or they asked the shop keeper

I think they just meant the girls didn't have enough to run away with.

Lydia Beale i do too haha

That's just adorable

I honestly do too

OMG same 😂

ME

Drew Barnes i live in the village even though it has been 18 yrs people still don’t trust that house that girls were murdered in no one has been in it since

Yep you got thar right.

It’s not a nice place

I worked in Soham from 2010 to 2013 (at the Comrades Club opposite The Fountain) and noticed there was still a lot of hurt around these murders. Such a shame because I have really fond memories of working in such a lovely town full of great people ❤

did they say if he acted weird or was he somewhat normal behaving?

jdjmjdsmjdmjidjidsids my mum said he gave most women the creeps but somehow he could manipulate other girls by acting charismatic and friendly, my mum didn’t like him at all though as he was very creepy. My dad was best friends with his brother Wayne and when he went round to their house Wayne would tell my dad not to say anything around Ian because he would start an argument over everything and would take things the wrong way. When they were young (I’m not sure what the exact age is) Ian was beat up by someone in his year and his head was bashed on the ground pretty hard, my dad said this could be something to do with how he acted and for what he did to Jessica and holly. His upbringing was normal, he had very kind parents and a lovely family and his brother is a great person showing that it isn’t something caused by home life otherwise his brother would have turned out the same or at the least he would be a bad person right? so there’s not many other reasons other than it just being the way he was born. I’ve seen before in other murderers that accidents like this can cause their brain to act differently so this could be the reason he is the way he is. He had sexually abused many women in the Grimsby area before he moved and my parents say he should have been locked up for that but it was completely ignored by the police. He was extremely manipulative and a very angry man although around women he would act like a nice guy to gain their trust. Sorry for the long comment but I wanted to address everything I can remember from this conversation I had with my parents, I hope this helped 💕

@@chloe-zh2ux on an unrelated note have you seen the absolute ridiculous conspiracy theories floating round the comments some idiot just sent me this link www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread231461/pg1 what a load of shite

jdjmjdsmjdmjidjidsids I haven’t until now, it’s absolutely ridiculous. Ian Huntley is a horrible person and my parents got to see that first hand. When Jessica and holly were murdered he tried to be in the limelight as much as possible, organising events to try and find the girls and talking to reporters at every given chance because he got some kind of boost, thinking he couldn’t be caught and he thought he was a genius for being right under the polices nose without them realising it. He got so much enjoyment from murdering those two girls and it’s absolutely disgusting, anyone who thinks otherwise is seriously just as dumb as Ian was to think he could get away with this 🤦🏼‍♀️

jdjmjdsmjdmjidjidsids I also just remembered something my dad said awhile ago about Ian. He said Ian was small and wasn’t strong enough to stand up to any man which is why he attacked women instead. He said people on tv making documentaries about Ian act like he’s some kind of mastermind but in reality he was quite stupid and just reacts on impulse. When he lived in Grimsby he’d start an argument with a guy (being the angry person he was) but would never be able to stand up for himself. He was weak and stupid. It’s so sad that he targeted these 2 poor girls so he could feel some sort of control. I believe that’s why he did it because of that information my dad told me. He targeted mainly younger women and thought he was smart for attacking them (sexually abusing, physically abusing and mentally abusing them) and getting away with it every time so when he committed these murders he thought he could get away with this. he had grown such a big ego because the police never bothered to charge him for what he did and these girls and their poor family had to suffer for it. it’s truly disgusting and I can’t believe a person like him exists and so close to where I live too

*waves* also from Northamptonshire

And me 👋

Ikr my mums side of the family lived really close to there for years 😳

I went to Soham VC and helped searched for the girls. Terribly close to home for me xx

Emma Ann it just proves that being alone , walking places alone doesn’t stop people 😖💓

I know exactly what you mean. I listen to her videos every night to help me fall asleep. Plus the fact she part of the LGBTQ community and proud to be as going by your name you are as am I shows true pride and confidence xxxxxx

Heaven M I think they meant that they hadn't taken a lot of money, like 100 pounds to run away with out of a piggy bank. When I went to get sweets when I was little, sometimes I had only like 20 cents with me which nobody investigating would notice.

Nicole Shaddix True. I’ve just noticed in other cases they’ll mention that the kid(s) brought a small amount of money with them (like $5, $10) but that was all they had. Just caught my attention. But that’s true- probably wouldn’t mention it if it was a minuscule amount.

Heaven M they meant a significant amount, when people run away they usually take a fair amount of money to keep them going

Ye and if the parents didn’t know they left how did they get money

How do they know they bought sweets they didn't tell the parents where they were off too?

adam evans same. I’m from Ely

adam evans a lot of this information is wrong though:/

Heidi Porter Is it, Heidi?

No it isn’t Heidi. What did she get wrong? I’m from Ely and know the case very well and she got it spot on.

I went to ely college at the time of this ( no one trusted our caretaker beforehand and definitely didn't after this ) Carr was not innocent at all, she should have gotten more time! she helped him and every one knows it, that's why she's had 2 new identities since this..she doesn't deserve a child too or taxpayer's money..they also found evidence in the bath drain but i think she covered it all..

I live in Cambridgeshire and remember this case was quite famous.

Casper Dassens me tooo

I suspect that she thought he had something to do with it, if not outright knew at that time and was possibly terrified to say anything. She didn't confess until he was locked up.