Some brazillian tips: The ''bobinho'' is a well known kid's game... a bunch of kids in a circle formation, one kid in the center of this circle, and the objective is to pass the ball as much as you can, 1-2 touches in the ball max... while the kid in the center tries to steal the ball, intercept the pass, he is the bobinho, it's a role in the game. ''Silly'' cuz he is always running to try steal the ball, and the others will pass the ball to make him look silly trying. The tabela, actually doesn't translates to table... tabela is a word in portuguese that can refer to a chat, a table (like excel)... but have other meanings. In this case, tabela refers to the basketball hoop (the square part), for the same reason as what happens when you throw a ball at it... if u shoot a ball to a tabela, it will hit the tabela and come back at you... so 1-2's in brazil can be refered as a TABELA, cuz i wanna pass the ball to you, and receive it up front, just like passing the ball to a wall, a tabela, a basketball hoop

I'm Brazilian, Diniz's art performance was at audax in 2017, a team equivalent to the 3rd division. This team played against the best teams in the 1st division and put them on the spot, it was something never seen here. They were runners-up, but beautiful football.

It's funny because on the Final's first goal we could see the principles of "tabela" and "yo-yo" and on the second one the "escadinha", even though it was a lob pass to the third man, who layed it off for Kennedy after his spin.

Thanks for covering South American football. The Brazilian league is a gem.

The upside: when things work out the team cuts through the opponents defence like a hot knife through butter and it is a beautiful thing to behold. The downside: when things don't work well the team often falls apart catastrophically.

Really great content, Dave. If you guys wanna see Diniz in his beginning as a coach where their team was more unstructured than that, search for his Audax Osasco team (it was crazy). About some comments here: Just because he doesn't speaks English or likes to work in a friendly stable environment, doesn't mean at all that he's (or will be) a flop as you guys are insinuating. Something that angers me is when Europeans say something like "he'll have to prove himself in Europe" as if nothing but Europe was valid or worthy. Guys, just look at the history and you'll see that lots of football coaches didn't need to pass through Europe to win a World Cup or a World Clubs Cup and some examples are: São Paulo x Barcelona (yes, that cruyf barça) and São Paulo x Milan (two following years), most recent we had São Paulo x Liverpool, Internacional x Barcelona, Corinthians x Chelsea. (And I can be missing more games here) My only point is that sometimes I see some arrogance coming from you and I really disrespect it

Thanks for the video, cheering for Fluminense x Manchester City at the world's with all my soul

Worth mentioning Malmo are currently employing the same but not as extreme style of play and are fighting for the Swedish title Edit: They won the league on the final day

Mr. Diniz began to be successful with his innovative tactical system when he managed to have a qualified team in his hands for almost 2 years playing together. The Fluminense Football Club will surprise the world on December 18th. The show is just beginning. The new era of football.

Europeans use to think that the positional play is more successful than relationism because it took over Europe and it proved to be successful. But that has little to do with the play style, and more with the value of the european football market. That's where the big money is. That's where they can afford the best players. There's no competition between brazilian teams and Premier League teams if they're interested in the same player, neither for transfers, nor for salaries. As an example, Marcelo was "taken" from Fluminense very young, won everything with Real Madrid, and now returned to Fluminense as a much older player that had no space in Real Madrid anymore. And he still won Libertadores da América. Best players from South America end up making a career in Europe just like him, where they play positional play their whole lives. Functional and positional plays are just two different styles, and both can be effective in an environment of (approximately) equal economic conditions. But we know which one is more enjoyable to watch. It's far better to watch a more "artistic" play style.

If you watch at Wenger’s Arsenal in the mid 2010s you notice how their attacks were free-flowing with 5-6 men involved near each other and a lot of “toco y me voy” moments. Diniz however proposed this more extremely

Ten Hag´s Ajax in 2018/19 was a relationist side too, and a great example of another Relationist side in Europe is Henrik Rydström´s Malmo

Just a correction: tabela means backboard, as from basketball. And that's explains the concept

Fernando Diniz often says that to have a good time, you first have to have a good friendship between the players. And that players, before being athletes, are human beings like the rest of us. Furthermore, he encourages his players to play spontaneously and happily and never be afraid to take risks even if it results in a big mistake. Another important point in Fluminense is that everyone attacks and everyone defends, like a united family. We Fluminense fans, like Fernando Diniz, consider our Club, our players and our fans as a big family. Another thing Diniz always says is that for him, football is much more art than science, and if he plays in a more beautiful and supportive way, he has a better chance of winning. Some curiosities: Fernando Diniz is a former player, but graduated in psychology, as is Fluminense's football director (Paulo Angioni), who is also a psychologist. This is not conscience, as Fluminense's philosophy is to prioritize good human relations, and from that, build a beautiful history in football. It's been like this for 121 years, when Oscar Cox, an English-Brazilian founded the Fluminense Football Club.

I consider Diniz the one coach who brought back the joy of watching my football team (São Paulo) in a lot of years of marasm and monotony. He started one very good work making the players believe they could REALY be champions. Things didnt ended very well, but the team's performance and joy brought back the fans to the stadium, and at this point, they finally won one big tournament again after one decade! That's was without Diniz, but we can clearly see his work on these steps. His most powerfull ability is about the human behavior, football creativity and regaining of self-confidence. And that's exactly what Brazil's team is needing right now.

8:02 - The first goal of Fluminense in the Libertadores finals was that way 😏

This is how you say it: “Flew me Nancy” think these words and voilà

Diniz is the real deal. if we have the chance to play M. City in the world cup it will be a very good game to say the least We play like brazilian football used to be

Diniz managed my club, São Paulo, a couple of years ago. When his game style worked, it was fun and exciting, but when it didn't (and it happened a lot back then) it was always disastrous and humiliating. We lost a championship after getting a 12 point lead, after he had a heated argument with one of the players live while the game went on. Although I like him, overall, having your team managed by him can be an emotional rollercoaster.

Truth is, I've been in awe of this style for years, just never knew it was called Relationism. I also believe that asides the aforementioned teams and coaches named in this video, most Spanish sides have a functional approach in unique ways. A big s/o to you for mentioning them though. I believe it's the future and don't care so much about the cons, because with time and different implementation by more disciples of this school of thought, a Relationist defensive approach can be made to adapt to the times.

7:08 TABELA does not translate to "TABLE" at all. ( "TABLE" is "MESA" in Portuguese. ) I give that the words TABELA and TABLE seem quite similar, but that is all they have in common. TABELA (in football) means ( the act of passing the ball and receiving it back in order to progress without risking a dribble ) The famous ONE - TWO ( Um, Dois ) If you had a wall on the side, and you were to use it in order to go pass your defender, by making the ball rebound off of it and allowing you to catch the ball in front of your defender, you would be making a " TABELA " with the wall.

Hello, I'm from Brazil, I'm a fan of Corinthians, the last world champion in 2012. I've played football since I was a child and started playing futsal and street football. This is a very strong characteristic in almost the majority of Brazilian players. In narrow streets, the player needs to think very quickly to reach the opponent's goal, and this happens with quick touches and dribbles. The team varies from 2 to 3 players and usually without a goalkeeper. In futsal, the logic is similar, lots of quick touches and dribbles. The Brazilian game of 'toco e me voy', 'escadinha' and other tactics have existed in all street games, futsal, beach football, and 'várzea' (amateur football) in Brazil for a long time. It's instinctive. It's our story!

This is if trickery was a set of football tactics. It's clever and very different. I like it. It makes sense that its origin is South America. Their football experience is definitely different from Europe is a lot of ways.

O que fez o fluminense ganhar foi treino e condicionamento físico. Sempre resolve no segundo tempo. Resumindo: trabalho e profissionalismo.

It makes sense why Klopp wants Andre as a 6, if you watch Liverpool this season its very chaotic it’s like the frontline the two 8’s and fullbacks don’t have a position they’re just all over the pitch.

Wenger's Arsenal especially the 08-11 version is the most elite example of a relationist approach in European football

its nice that brazilian football its finally getting to europe, not only the players (but our coaches are still blocked by uefa tho, our coach degrees are not accepted there), important to say that diniz of course are the main guy and most extreme on functional, but theres others here, Renato Gaucho for exemple (suarez gremio's coach).

I've seen many cover Relationism, but Statman Dave would surely explain it like no other, I was sure of it, and clicked as soon as I saw it, well, no surprises here, great explanation mate, I really love your channel, cheers.

the "bobinho circle" is actually a street game in brazil, where one person stays in the center of a circle made by many people and needs to take the ball by intercepting passes or defending other players 1v1. this is another aspect of diniz's game that's reminescent of street football here in brazil

Fantastic video👍🏾🔥🔥 I missed this format

I love the way he says "Flumineize" everytime and don't even tries to apologize(and he shouldn't) EVERYTIME for spelling it wrong.

Really great content, Dave.

Great video!

4:47 "CIRCULO DO BOBO" is actually called ( "BOBINHO" = litterally "Little Silly" ) But in English if I am not mistaken is called "PIGGY IN THE MIDDLE".

Really nice job. I just missed some videos showing how its done.

Um estilo de jogo que será testado no mundial! Vamos tricolores!!!!!!

Hello! Well, awsome video! Diniz is the future! And, about your pronounce with the "Fluminense" word , you have to talk like if saying these separated word in inglish : Flu + Me + Nancy :-)

Fluminense!!! ❤❤❤ Great video!

Came here thinking maybe its the antidote to Pep Ball. But got to that magic circle thing and thought about Macguire, MacT, Victor, Bruno and Dalot trying to do that. Laughed out loud to myself and decided to make dinner. Strangely Anthony would probably be good at it, he had to be good at something after all, besides slapping women. Though this Diniz chap is probably too sensible to move, likes to work in a friendly stable environment, can't speak English and dislikes rain anyway............

Excellent video and I also find Fernando Diniz fascinating. Don't worry about the Portuguese pronunciation. In time you can learn that too.

7:55 Esse exemplo é igual o primeiro gol do fluminense

Caramba, olha a onde a vitória do Fluminense chegou a repercutir 😂😂😂

Positional game is the inteligent path that Europeans followed to use what they have historicaly. Strong, tall, athletic players. For me the relationism is the inteligent path for south american teams to be competitive with what they have! Sometimes very talented players but who doesnt match european teams phisical exigences. See Ganso, Arrascaeta, De La Cruz, and a lot other incredibly talented players who would not fit european top teams... So, European positional squads uses players that has the best atributes to play a specific role... And south american squads with talented but sometimes older or not phisicaly incredible players (short, skiny), found another way to use their talent without missing the lack of phisical attributes. Does it make sense or Im crazy?!

Kkkk a pronúncia de Tabela foi minha preferida , geralmente colocar acento é difícil para eles, mas nunca vi inserirem um onde não tem, achei fofissimo

@1.52 but if the team is quick in transition and passes quickly it may cause some issues mainly the liverpool style of Gegen pressing by Klopp . But if the defense is sharp and strong it's fun to watch these 2 systems go against each other

Watched this series changing from "is Diniz right?" To "Diniz wins the Libertadores"

Pode refazer que seu video ja envelheceu. Diniz é campeão da América

Nice. The correct pronounce is Tabéla, the tonic is be taBEla. Welcome to the future. Fluminense is the past, present and future of Football. Thanks to Oscar Cox, our founder in 1902

A great moment that helps a lot to understand Diniz and his tatics is Marcelo's goal vs Flamengo (and what a goal!!). He scores from the right wing despites being a left back.

I think a better translation for better understanding of the Silly Circle would be The Little Fool's Circle because the circle is making the guy in the middle of the circle a fool Bobo means fool, bobinho is a diminutive to bobo like little fool "The Little Fool's Circle" would be the full translation

Super, Diniz!

Tabela is just 1-2 passing. Like literally.

DINIZISMO 🇧🇷

"Tabela" isn't table. The concept is more like the board (really where the net is) of basketball.

The only thing I would like to correct is the definition of tabela. “Tabela” isn’t the base player, but the the action of exchanging quick passes between players while moving. It is, essentially, closely related to “toco y me voy” - tabela is the most common term in Brazil, while toco Y me voy is the Argentinian way of saying it. A “1-2” is a type of tabela, for instance.

Great analytical comparation from Mr. Dave. Football is diverse, positional or relational? Who is the best? Interesting..

Football ⚽️ whatever approach positional or relationism you need to play with width especially in the opponents final third.

There is nothing new about the "toco y me voy" and "tabela" (also called "pared" {wall}). We have been using it for decades here in Latin America. The difference is that some players and squads can perform it to perfection and other simply can't.

*ta-BE-la:* the uppercase syllable is the tone syllable.

And Fluminense won Libertadores, the best team in South America!

In time: In the brazilian street football tradition, "Bobinho" ( portuguese for "the little silly") means the player wich tries to get the ball from the wheel players, with no success.

That’s crazy!

I believe in Eric Ten Hag ....GGMU

faltou falar da saída de bola para atrair o adversario e quebrar linhas como um contraataque

As a Brazilian, I just didn't undertand;... Why the mix of Portuguese and Spanish? 😁 Examples: "Juego de posición" (Spanish), in Portuguese it would be "jogo de posição". "Jogo funcional (Portuguese), in Spanish it would be "juego funcional". "Toco y me voy" (Spanish), in Portuguese ir would be "toco e saio". "Escadinhas" (Portuguese) in Spanish it would be "escalerasitas" (a least as a literal transation, I guess it would have a completly different word).

Dembele na Mão de Diniz seria um dos melhores do mundo

We say Flu-me-nen-see not Flu-me-nee-z. Also, nobody calls it "O Círculo Bobo". Its called "Bobo" or "Rodinha de Bobo", which means, in sequence, "Silly" and "Silly circle/wheel" (as you've put it in the video). Bobo or "Silly" are the players inside the ball that have to keep running after the ball to intercept it when its being passed inside the circle. Its very widespread here in Brazil from kids to professional clubs. In addition, "toco y me voy" its in Spanish and we don't use this term here. We just call it "Tabela" (its essentially the same thing, someone passses and moves forward to receive the ball, thus moving past the opponent)

It s not soó successful as yet but IS on a expectably good way to. What we see is his defender players packing together in séries of passes t discourage opponents. On the attack his most promising tactic was four or more players spinning on a forward wing and TWO of them rapid and with hundreds of Endless exchange passing to one another in improvised manners as well. In a given moment a big space Will break open for a coming Striker uptop. And It often breaks open simply bcs the defenders lost their long trained patience in blocking them..

Manchester United should Target Andre in January. A serious talent ❤

Brazilian league (Brasileirão) is really good, high level

I'm Brazilian, Fluminense looks like a 40's club, aging players, Fluminense is not a favorite, but they're going to gain experience, they're going without any pressure, but I believe it will take a bit of work

Acho que o Diniz tem que levar todo o Time do Fluminense para a seleção, já estão mais entrosados 😅😅😅. Naturaliza o cano e já era

too chaotic imo. Best used on the wide areas only where its easier to counter press when there is a turnover. In the middle, it would be dangerous as it would leave the wide back open for the counterattacking team to exploit unless less players used to make the "circle". But that just basically falls back to positional style tactics. I remember this relational style when Carrick took over as interim manager at United but he was using less players(3-4 players) to play intricate football in midfield then Bruno spraying a long ball wide. It was nice to watch and at that time i was hoping carrick would become the permanent manager but he decided not to.

That's the tactics you need to follow to be put on a "bobinho circle" by Uruguay and Colombia.

Seems that the system is not working with the Brazilian national team. They have lost two consecutive games, which had never happened in tournaments for classification to the world cup, and they lost to Colombia for the first time in the history of the same clasfication.

Where there is order, there is chaos

I wish man UTD would try new managers with new ideas

The player value is low is not a reflection of their quality… They just had too many old players like Ganso, Marcelo, German Cano, Keno, Felipe Melo… these players aren’t worth much because of their age

The coach´s name is spelled wrong. It is Fernando DINIZ not "Deniz"

FLUMINENSEEEE

It isn’t called relationism. It is called Dizinismo in Brazil

I think that we should stop differentiate between tactics on a scale and use a cross diagram instead. There isn't just positional play or relativism but many different tactical concepts between. With wide plus narrow formations on the x-axis and rigid plus fluid positional play on the y-axis it's easier to exactly show how a team is playing. Man City is playing very wide and rigid while and Fluminense is playing a fluid narrow style. But Brighton? They're playing wider but not extremely wide and are more fluid than Man City but not as fluid like Fluminense.

If u ask a brazilian what is 'relationism', everbody gonna "????", but if u say "Dinizism", everyone will understand at the same time.

In the premier league where the competition is a lot higher I would think that once the ball is won the opposition would get a lot of joy on the counter or over the defence

Fluminense Football Club!

I'm from Brazil. We call Diniz style Dinisismo 😂

Diniz*

After watching this video, Im totally confused. This ain't football, it's science 🤓

Diniz sounds like Ancelotti. I don't think Ten Hag's system approach has worked with United so I would like to see Diniz at United. He could get a tune out of Antony.

FLUMINENSE FOOTBALL CLUB !

Appreciate the work but you scout all that far to into Brazilian football just to look under your doorstep that Liverpool play the exact way through Trent Mo and now Dom, same for robbo Diaz and gravenberch with the 9 following across the lines, with robbo and Trent hybrid sometime in central and mostly in attacking possession out wide but good work bro keep the vids up we love em 👍

should man united go for andre

Fluminenzay

Why you keep on saying Flumineize 😢😢

Fluminense 💚🤍♥️

Video is awesome, but you're saying "Fluminense" as an Italian. It's not that hard, I'll etite it using English sounds: Flu-me-Nancy

Man city pumped this lot.

Quem nunca brincou de bobinho 😂😂😂. Litle fool

Nós somos do Rio de Janeiro, cidade de praia e carnaval... Fluminense

It’s pronounced flu-mee-nen-see