To keep the power of the Dragons to themselves more than likely 🤔

But Alysane arranged many marriages for her children and grandchildren to other great families why not the Starks? Seriously nobody though of producing say a Blackfyre or Snow to test it out? Are we missing a line of the prophecy that says it will cause a massive war if they merge houses?

Never in the prophecy does it state, that the child must be of both stark and Targaryen lineage. It just states that a Targaryen will save them and he should be sitting on the iron throne. Ice in the song of ice and fire prophecy, could just mean the night king and long night/ long winter ❄️ 🥶 🧊 My personal canon is Lyanna fell in love with Rhaegar and Rhaegar would “woo”her with tales of prophecy and Knowledge. Married Elia out of duty and Lyanna out of love.

The Starks were too far with little to offer the Tygaryen dynasty politically and economically. Plus they were steadfast and loyal vassals until Aerys left them no choice but to rebel. So there was no need to buy their favor with marriage alliances. A song of ice and fire seems to be Rhaegar's interpretation of things. Though he could have been right, I don't think the previous heirs understood it that way. Otherwise, there would be a lot of Tygaryen betrothals to northern ladies of which the Starks would have been obviously top choice given they're aristocrats. In short, for centuries, there was little political and economic motivations to do so.

​​​​​​​​​@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 Makes sense that the northerners would play a significant part given the long night is a prominent part of their history and folklore. The Starks possess and have close interactions with ice magic. They can warg, have wolves, have closer interaction with the night's watch, the white walkers, the sword ice, weirwoods, the old gods WINTER-FELL, the children, kings of winter e.t.c. Thus they form a significant part of the icy end. I agree that it represents two collectives of ice and fire battling it out. But there's human parts to that collective. The human part of a song of ice are the Starks, as the Tygaryens are the human part of a song of fire. I don't think Rhaegar was entirely wrong to reach his conclusions. I think he either picked the wrong candidate or only solved a small part of the mysterious puzzle. In short, I don't think the writer would dedicate the primary theme of his book to Tygaryens fighting a faceless, nameless ice monsters that have no emotional appeal. He's the kind that likes to complicate things and make it painful for his readers . Therefore, I believe the night's king will somehow be a familiar person in the books, possibly even someone we care about.

Good point he would’ve been more open to hear him out. Ned still would’ve executed him because he deserted but he would’ve sat him down and listened to his every word before he did it. Ned could’ve reported to Lord Royce that his son was dead but nooo Ned was so gung ho to show his 7 year old son how tough he was by cutting some poor dudes head off. Here, it’s eat the rich in Westeros it’s eat the lords!!! Rise up Northmen you have nothing to lose but your chains

Agreed. I think the Stark knowledge of the prophecy ended probably with Eddard's grandfather.

Someone else brought up Howland and I think it’s a good notion. He would know more about magic and prophecy than Ned for sure

Damn, I need TWOW right now 😂

We can learn so much from Howland if we ever meet him. Hopefully we will get that chance

I mean even if she did know that doesn't really justify Rhaegar abandoning them to fend for themselves against his father who he knows is batshit insane.

​@@annieandelsieofarendelle3294In Rhaegar's limited defense, first he had Elia and his family on Dragonstone, away from his dad, then Aerys brought Rhaegar's family to King's Landing and Rhaegar charged Jaime Lannister with protecting them, even asking him during a weirwood stump dream why he didn't. Ser Jaime was the last Kingsguard and in charge of the Red Keep's defenses, then stopping Aerys from committing a wildfire King Landing's apocalypse, so he wound up a little busy, not suspecting Tywin's men were coming to murder Elia. Ser Jaime tried slinking out of the throne room after putting Aerys down, but he got caught and thought he should stay there to give away the Iron Throne. If he'd run off to check on Elia and the children, he might have had to fight the Mountain tk save them, which would have been glorious

It's quite likely it was Elia who convinced Rhaegar to pick Lyanna, so she could survive with her children and he agreed to spare her. It might have then been the two of them going over the prophecies and then get convinced they needed a Stark girl. If Rhaegar thought he needed a Stark girl all along, he would have probably tried to arrange a marriage with the Starks, and never gotten involved with Elia. It's quite likely Elia was the one Rhaegar loved and Lyanna the one he saw as duty. He charged Ser Jaime with protecting his family and when he appears to Ser Jaime in a weirwood dream, he asks about why Elia and her children weren't protected, indicating care for her.

Oh hey that’s a good notion! Howland may have better understood Rhaegar and Lyanna’s intentions / ideas better than Ned

I too believe that there is SO much more to Howland’s story than we yet know. I hope GRRM fills in some of the mystery. I kind of feel sure that is inevitable, really. Doesn’t Howland feel a bit like a gun hanging on the wall or in George’s case a “ wolf pack” as he has already compared that aspect of his story to?

But no one has seen what galadrial has seen

The hell borderlands 😅😊

Except Ned didnt like the idea of Jon joining the NW at all? He was horrified by it

@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 Fair enough, but I feel like Ned, even if he didn't like the idea of Jon joining the Night's Watch, may have felt it was better if he did.

@@BenMedia7 well he felt the alternative was to leave him with stoneheart beacuse she and the rat cornered him, gave him no time to even think. Benjen didnt help with his manipulations.

@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195 who is the rat?

Interesting. TO Who mb is the. SAVOIR . PROPHET !..

They probably assumed and maybe reasonably that Fire = Good and Ice = Bad.

Its about ice and fire long night and fire sword light just like winter is coming

Yeah, that would have been smart. It might have come down to Targaryens being stuck in old bad Valyrian customs, like incest, that got in the way of their duties. Like their petty civil wars, the Dance and Blackfyre Rebellions, got in the way of their prophetic duties.

was this from the book 😮?

@@nyx7781 no, i wrote it after watching the video.🙃

This is awesome! Why Vicerys?

@@kash.e.w2936 Rhaegar had already named his other two children Aegon and Rhaenys (as in the Conqueror and his sister-wife... Leaving Visenya) The Dragon must have three heads. Jon is boy.... So Viserys.

@@RhaevanHeims But the female equivalent of Viserys is Viserra, so how can the male equivalent of Visenya be Viserys?

Yes yea it’s a one-two punch

Ned and Robert were condemned to death by Aerys, Ned’s decision to rebel doesn’t need a mythical explanation.

oh that's very interesting!

That's so cheesy it actually makes me vom in my mouth a little bit

Unless they won't do it. After all, Martin's wife laughed at RLJ suggestion, saying that it's too simple and obvious for her husband's writing style, it would actually be embarrassing lmao

I personally don‘t know what to believe. But as long as it is presented well and it makes sense I am fine with it.

Only thing about that Ned was not fond of Joffery he only agreed to the marriage was because of Robert.

He wasn't happy, only did it because Catelyn convinced him and to please Robert.

same 😭

Right on! I try to present my theories and speculations with caveats so people can draw their own conclusions too and still enjoy the content even if they disagree, so thanks very much for saying so

100% dead accurate my friend

@@DavidLightbringer Oh yes, one last major example I forgot - although there are plenty more - Melisandre of Ashai's looking into the flames for Azor Ahai & seeing repeatedly Jon Snow. Again, how is one to interpret that, along with all the other hints?

@@vorborinov4054 technically repeatedly seeing snow, not Jon Snow, but it's obvious symbolism that it's our boy

Yes there’s a possibility it’s a little darker in that way. We will have to see

That’s an awesome prediction. But that’s doesn’t sound like Rhaegar, who was an honorable knight according to the books. But if Lyanna and Rhaegar married, that would make Lyanna a queen. I also imagine Robert Baratheon wrath, was enough to keep her in the tower. I imagine those kingsguard would be sword to her.

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 I never considered Robert sending Lyanna there like Henry the VIII with ?Catherine of Aragorn?(his spanish wife locked in the tower). I do know Lyanna wore Rhaegar’s armor (like Renly’s ghost), Robert Azor Ahai’d pregnant Lyanna in the chest with his hammer, Lyanna went into the Trident to be pulled out by a recently revived Rhaegar (like Beric and Jon Snow’s other mom Cat), and Lyanba was given a second life killing Rhaegar. I knew young Beric, either fostered with Renly or as the acting Marcher lord, led Ned to the tower; hence his later marriage betrothal and selection as the “king’s justice” by Ned (also the lightning in the Tower Tarot card as the Lightning Lord). But I all ways thought Richard Lonmouth (the “Thoros” who brought back Rhaegar and pulled Lyanna out the Trident) was the one who led Lyanna to the Tower of Joy (a nunnery: either a Sept or a whorehouse, maybe both like those historical nuns mentioned in the second Assassins’ Creed game). Never considered Robert capturing her and sending her there himself. This would explain why Ned went to Storm’s End , perhaps looking for Robert with Lyanna, and accidentally starting the rumors about Ashara and him at Renly’s gossiping court; since Ashara went there too with baby Daenerys, likely born at sea.

@@polishherowitoldpilecki5521 that would make lyanna a princess &that won't make rhaegar bad in my eyes at least it wasn't rape or forcing her to obey or any other disgusting things... Just at least he most likely told her about the prophecy & maybe used his charm to make lyanna agree with him & make ice & fire baby...

Jamie was old enough to remember/recognise Joanna, Jon lost his mother way too early.

@@alexmoes3225 True, I was just stating that sons have been visited by their mothers before. Jon may not know, but we will. And then again, she may say something or show him something that let's him know her identity 🤷🏿‍♀️

Although I mostly agree, couple points. You’re leaving out the possibility that Ned knew the prophecy and didn’t believe it, later seeing Jon’s decision as fate and possibly the prophecy coming into fruition, there by slightly changing Ned’s mind. Ned would be less worried about “challenged” per se, rather one killing the other; and Robert’s good at that… Either way Ned loses someone he loves. This is part of Quaithe’s (aka Ashara aka Daenerys’ mother’s) plot, Quaithe knows Daenerys’ quest for the throne is gained by the death of Daenerys’ nephew(s), one(actually two) being Ned’s nephews.

awwwwww

Bobby B is my man!

Careful. The LML addiction goes full blown quickly😅

Well, it’s definitely symbolism for us to think about, but yeah it makes sense if Rhaegar out the clues together to figure out it was her

I started to hear reading rainbow so faintly. I thought I was nuts!!

Rhaegar, tone-deaf? Never! He sang like Chino Moreno, that’s how he made the ladies cry

Welcome to the family!

@@andrzejkopalnia Thank you! Happy to be here 😊

Rhaegar definitely put his faith in Lyanna over and over again

Tinfoil knows no bounds...

they probably do it because they like Ashara a lot

@@Ar1AnX1x I don't know. the evidence is just right out there now. It was in the show, and Dave and Dan quite straightforwardly said that its GRRM confirmed. 5G is just con-men exploiting ignorant people's fear of new technology. But what could possibly motivate you to oppose a book plot theory with such stubbornness? Like where are the stakes for these people?

I love this story

People do think that Ashara Dayne is Jon's mother but I don't. If that were the case Ned wouldn't have a reason to keep it such a big secret.

Yeah I’ve been wondering about that, people havent been seeing my videos since the season is over, like YT decided HotD wasn’t cool anymore

hell yeah Mastadon is cool too, I'm way into AAL

Yeah I really thought so too

actually there's a bit more to Alysanne at the Wall but that will be in my next vid

Hahahaha

For answers, check out Arthurian legend with ?Gwyaine? and the woman whose name sounds like ?Eddard? whose is sending knights to kill a Robert Baratheon character; also Theseus and his Amazon Queen’s death, some Maid Marion, some Mulan, a like shewolf from Romulus and Remus, more shewolf from Jungle Book. Short answer, Lyanna dragged Rhaegar to war convincing him that it could be a peaceful coup, she knew it wouldn’t be and she wanted Robert, Aerys, and Aegon(young Griff) dead for her child to take the throne.

That’s a truly wild take Thomas

Zach I think the prophecy is key, as is realizing Lyanna and Rhaegar are an echo of Torrhen and Aegon. Lyanna must have put stock in Rhaegar’s beliefs, or she wouldn’t have run off with him

@@DavidLightbringer that's actually why I liked your video. Most people kind of gloss over both sides depending on where you fall. You acknowledge it with the idea that she must have put stock in the prophecy. I find that to be the most likely case if she did go willingly. It makes sense she would use this as an opportunity to run from her duties. It rhymes with George's heart in conflict motif. I still just find it more believable that he, the adult, was manipulating Lyanna, a child. I love your ideas of azorahigh, ( I know I probably botched that spelling but I think you know what I'm getting at.) may not be a nice/good person. So I just it easy to imagine Rhaegar not being the best guy around , possibly. Btw I'm in no way trying to claim you are wrong and I am right. I'm just thinking out loud while leaving sacrifices for the algorithm gods😉

@@DavidLightbringer sorry to double reply but I must be wrong. About ten minutes after leaving my last reply KZfaq recommended I watch your Ten reasons Torren Knelt video from 4 days ago. So even the algorithm is asking me to look deeper😂

Pretty sure Bobby’s head was only in the noose because he was Ned’s BFF, and Ned was sentenced to death cos his brother fronted but to KL demanding Rhaegars head. Given that Aerys had another son and didn’t trust Rhaegar his reaction is the oddest, perhaps by this point in his crazy he decided the threat from the North was the Starks

@@alexmoes3225 was this a reply to my post, or a KZfaq glitch of some sort? The “Baratheon“ kids I was talking about were Joffery, Marcella, and Tommen.

sometimes a get an earworm and I just gotta do it. you know I got that. flava. in ma ear.

@@DavidLightbringer well played sir. I’m watching a lot of your theory videos and I’m really enjoying them. Keep ‘em coming appreciate the work you put into these.

All these Aegon’s prophecy videos are basically one giant script

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