You're missing one point - you're writing / recording / mixing rock. If you'd be doing strictly electronic music, you'd quickly notice that with comparison to Bitwig, Live, FL or Reason it lacks a lot in the departments of creative FX, synths and modulation tools (LFOs, MSEGs, etc.). Even the samplers are very basic. Hope S1 steps up there in forthcoming versions!

The problem is mainly that young people are constantly bombarded by advertisements for plugins that "sell dreams." The older ones who have managed to mix tracks with 8 or 16 channels and just the console's EQ and a rack with 2 or 3 compressors, a reverb, are much more, I believe, aware that any current DAW and stock plugins offers 100 times more possibilities and quality than what we really 'need.'...

Some people, like me for example, are not buying 3rd-party plugins with the thought that they would sound better or something similar. Instead, they buy 3rd-party plugins because they are working in more than one DAW. You don't want to remember all the different knobs and whistles in all your DAWs, you just want an EQ, a compressor, etc. But yeah, in general, all major DAWs already have decent built-in plugins to create a great sound.

Yeah, I completely understand the idea and agree 100% with you Joe. That also reminds me of another great and simple approach to things that matter, like the multiplatinum Grammy-awarded recording engineer Al Schmitt, R.I.P. who passed away at the age of 91 in 2021. He was a legend and left his tremendous music legacy, also impressive collection of great microphones, outboard gear, and the entire vintage studio where he worked closely with Frank Sinatra, Paul McCartney, Diana Krall, Ray Charles, Elvis Presley, Natalie Cole, Madonna, Michael Jackson, and other famous artists. He used to say that he didn't really like to use compression or EQ; the best way to achieve the sound as he truly wanted it was through proper and accurate microphone choice and knowledge about specifics and applications for it. 'The right microphone for a task - that is my EQ,' he stated. 'When I'm recording vocals, I'll often use a U 47 or a C 12. These microphones have a very natural sound, and they capture the voice in a way that requires very little EQ. I'll sometimes use a bit of EQ to boost the high frequencies or to cut the low frequencies, but I try to keep it to a minimum." That was mostly the use of mixing desk, such as Neve 88R, which was his favorite one. Al said once "I love the Neve 88R. It's a great-sounding console and very versatile. I can use it for any type of music, from jazz to pop to rock." He made great use of mics and preamps, and these sessions were recorded on tape. This is the best example of simplicity and utilizing what you have at hand. Software such as Presonus Studio One always comes with all these tremendous plugins and it is a great arsenal of tools that we all have at our disposal already; mixing expertise comes with years of self-development, hard work, and professional experience to build your skill set.I believe that if you excel in mixing techniques on analog equipment and have a comprehensive understanding of the principles involved, you can essentially handle mixing on any digital audio workstation software using stock plugins with great confidence.It's not the plugins or software alone that produce outstanding mixes; it's always your discerning ear, knowledge, skillset, and accumulated experience that truly create exceptional sound. Bob Clearmountain, who said: "It's not the gear that makes the mix; it's the ears." Andrew Scheps, stated: "The software is just a tool. The engineer is the artist." Take these pieces of advice to your heart!

In my case, I used to have a lot of plugins, awesome plugins, but started to realice that I can do the same thing (Limit, EQ, Compress, Sidechain, etc), natively and with no additional resources, all in S1. Great video Joe! this is a real reflexion that can be applied to many little things in your life too :)

I have several different guitars, all can do mostly the same things, but the diferent feel of each of them inspires me to come up with different ideas. I feel the same about plugins.

I like the Studio One stock plugins but it would be great to have Fat Channel compressors and EQs as standalone options

No aliasing in most of the stock Studio One plugins showing in Plugin Doctor. They work faster than the crowded FabFilter GUI's and sound just as good with barely any CPU use. Absolutely agree with this video!

It's a great argument for someone who doesn't have the basics: Compressor, Limiter, EQ, Reverb, etc. For someone who already has their favorite plugins available, I say, use whatever inspires you to make great music, and for a lot of people, that means using plugins that are tried and true FOR THAT INDIVIDUAL. I will continue to use my favorites, and you will continue to use yours. I believe people, like myself, use S1 not for its great plugins, but for its flawless workflow. I'm just a budding Producer, so what do I know.

Absolutely agree yes I have plenty of 3rd party plugins but for mixing I am more than happy to use stock plugins

the effect plugins are very good in Studio One ❤ but i wish i have more options in instruments, maybee a synth with more modulations & routing options and a wavetable synth ! Mai Tai is nice, but for complex sounddesign, i need more sometimes (; i hope presonus give us more for „Electronic Music“ makers in the future:) best regards, A Studio One User since 2010 ✌🏻❤

Never used the old Presonus stock limiter, but just realized that Limiter2 has gotten so much better.

Ioo% agree I can't afford to buy anything, but I don't want to or need to, there is everything I need in studio one. Impact and presence totally blow me away to start off with. Ive got to start producing more in response to the blessing of having it, and to show off what it can do. It is just right for me. Amazing.

I applied the pro EQ to my room reverb in the effect sends and I realized that there is so much more to learn in studio one

Two more things aI need from studio one to not use any other 3rd party plugins: an ssl style eq in the fat channel and a tape saturation effect, Maybe it can be added to the mix engine like the softube, but native

The stock plugins for mixing are cool but please put more effort on the Synths and Modulation fxs, imagine to have a LFO tool like Ableton or bitwing, also make the sample one and Impact more powerful and improve his workflow (just look logic stocks ones).

I've unfortunately seen and heard many "engineers" claim that this or that piece of hardware or software is the most important tool in their kit. And I always think to myself, its your ears man. If you can train your ears to hear whats good and what isn't, you can make music on anything. Even a table.

I use Studio One. I have many plugins in my arsenal and before watching this video I primarily used them and paid no attention the SO stock plugins. After watching this video I took your challenge, created a short piece and just used their stock plugs. Surprisingly to me, the track and mix sounded really good. Live and learn......

"Make music with what you've got." There is gold in that thought....

Finally, someone has told things as they really are. Most of the songs that I still listen to, and that I like more and more, do not have Autotune on the vocals or super-compressed samples, they are simple recordings made with instinct, genius and the courage to experiment with what mother nature has given us. Thank you Joe.

I get good results out of the Pro EQ. Especially with vocals. Love it

Joe! Awesome to see you on this channel.

Joe, thank you so much for this very sound argument about 3rd party plug-ins. I'm new to the DAW game and I just bought Studio One 6.5 Artist. I needed to know what plug-ins come with Studio One and I needed to make a decision about some 3rd party plug-ins that were "on sale". Your coverage gave me both the information and the understanding I needed to make the decision. No, I'm not buying the "great deal" plug-in package.

I use Studio One, so I do have my bias. But that said, I think there is a lot of equipment gate keeping in the music mixing and production world. But then some times we see a "famous" artist show that they did something with a tool that is cheap or free and all of the sudden it's the new best tool of all. At the end of the day if the song sounds good, it doesn't matter what you used to achieve it.

I love em…I just wish S1 would make some new cool effects plugins inspired by the Drip plugin from Kyle Beats, also their X plugin. Plugins like Antares EFX+. Stuff like that🙂

Truer words have never been spoken, if I had all the money, I wasted on plug-ins, I could buy a house, a small one, but the point is it ain’t the plug-ins, learn the stock ones first

I Use Logic Pro and Logic Pro 10.7 got me into it, and I don't have to spend so much money on 3rd party plugins. The hard truth is that when it comes with bad mixing, it could be ourselves or bad recording, Sometimes the DAW itself could have a bug that can cause problems with our mix.

Presonus: I believe you have truly competitive gems inside your DAW. Mix engine and fat channel. They are native and makea analog fan worflows quiker. Please make more of these stuff

The only 3rd party plugins i buy are virtual instruments, because it's fun. For mixing and effects, stock plugins work great.

That Leslie plugin deserves a serious shout out,amazing for keyboard recording🗽📼

I love it when a guy undersells something and says you don't need 'this', you already have 'that'. Great video, thanks Joe.

Mostly we use stock plugins,then finish with our subscription stuff,which is track specific. Vocals...we use the Antare's bundle. Drums...EZDrummer,etc. We do the same with video gear rentals. We all learn--after watching 340 awesome plugin's load every time we opened Studio One,we realized we could do 90% of every project with stock effects. It was hard deciding the keepers;some are free,but most are expensive. Instruments,a whole 'nuther story.

As always Joe I enjoy your advice I think it's very solid. I used to make music on a four-track recorder and a car and didn't have any plugins just recorded and went to the best studios in the city and New York City and played it and they were like pretty damn good because my levels were good The musicians were good and I kind of knew what I was doing so I agree with you totally

Studio One definitely has all you need to make great music. I have a handful of plug-ins to fill some of the hole that S1 didn't have. Since version 6, there are really no holes in the plug-ins. I still prefer the sound of EZ Drummer and some other piano plugins to S1.

The main 3rd party vsts I get are Ujam VD which Presonus recommends anyway, and Neural DSP for the guitar parts. I bet Ampire sounds good - but the Neural landscape very much "does it" for me!

When I moved from UAD Apollo to StudioLive Series III for my interface, I dumped every FX pluging except the stock Studio One plugins. I still have a synth VSTs by AAS and Addictive Drummer, but other than that it's all Studio One. I found it much easier to get better at the plugins I had than when I had too many options. Presonus plugins are great. I mixed our entire debut album with those plugins and it sounds fantastic.

I've been using studio One for ten + years also, this is so right on! Proof to myself is that I'm now going back ten years and remixing stuff I recorded then using new knowledge and discoveries within Studio One.... I thought I was pretty hot stuff with what I was doing back then but now its like being supercharged!! I find that the tracks were probably OK back then but if not mixed properly can sound like crap. It's like playing bass anyone can pick it up and start playing something, but it takes years, if ever to become the level of Victor Whotten or Marcus Miller. I find that limitations are with me not the hardware software, keep pushing forwards....Thanks

We use studio one plus at my school for our digital music class. We only use studio one plugins. So I mixed a song that all of my students are also mixing and I only used studio one plugins. Pro EQ, The la 2A type compressor, studio one saturator and the studio one limiter. I then mixed the same song at home in my personal studio using other plugins from different companies. I got virtually the same mix. So I agree that you can get a great mix from the studio one stock plugins.

Right to the point. I only use Studio one plugins and Slate Digital - Steven Slate Drums and Trigger 2. S1 tools are so intuitive

I own a lot of 3rd party plug ins, and I will say that a fair amount of those I can match with the Fat Channel. We could do with a good overhaul of the synths or maybe a new one, that would really start the ball rolling for me.

One of my request would be to have a visual microphone placement on ampire speakers simulators. I would love to see visual of the mic.

Great show!!!

The compressor in S1 is remarkably good! It can really clamp down and sound natural

great advice, of course I did exactly the opposite as a newbie but Joe's exactly right.

As always, Joe, great advice! I had been wrestling about Plugins for some time. Only because I found those I use that come with S1 work fine for my needs. What I am having trouble with however is when a song is moved into Project and compressed to a stereo MP3 or WAV file, the result has more presence in the bass frequencies than it does in the original track recorded in Studio One. Is this something you may have noticed as well? Or, is it just my imagination? Would like to hear your experience with the Projects mastering side of Studio One and if it colors the finished product different from the recordings. (This also applies when there are no additional plugins added to the Project tracks)

great advice!

I'm recording songs with this, sounds good to me or I'm just naturally good at writing playing and mixing, I'm good at drum programming as well due to playing in Rush tribute bands. I dont think however my vocals are going to to do the job, I might asked someone to do them for me.As always an excellent watch Joe.

been with studio one since 2015 on a guitar center bundle.. had a slate digital tape machine on the demo and got sold on all slate subscription from that.. now i have sphere and have full access to everything along with the slate all access pass and thats it

Clipper? Tape Emulation? Bus Compressor? Transient Shaper? Traditional Channel Strip (SSL, Neve, API, etc.)? Plate Reverb?

Joe, I used to be a keen golfer, one of my golf buddies was fairly well healed and was always buying a new putter or a new driver in a bid to improve his game. Honestly, he would have been better off going to the practice range, or getting some lesson from a pro, his equipment was already top of the range, I guess it was easier just to buy new equipment. therein lies the rub, its often-easier (or appears easier) just to pull out our credit card and buy a 'promise' or a 'dream' - anyway great video Joe, I think it will be a very long time before I hit the ceiling on my Studio one 6.

Serious question, do (Presonus or any DAW) stockplugins use actual VST or AU programming protocols or can they be more optimised towards the DAW because they have the possibility to be programmed at host software level and they can neglect VST compatibility. Is that a benefit for let’s say cpu usage, latency or audio performance?

as a deaf mixer, I take offense to your comment at 2:42 - mostly as I did not hear it in the first place

S1 plugs are fab. This Black Friday I bought some plugs/synths because I got carried away with those huge discounts 😊 while it’s actually not needed because you easily can get the job done with the stock plug ins! And Presonus keeps the good stuff coming. E.g. the dynamic EQ and now the Reverb GBY made a video about. Good stuff!

If Presonus didn’t push subscriptions so hard and the perpetual license came with everything, I’d be on Studio One.

In my opinion only guitar players are left a bit abandoned in Studio One, luckily for some extra cash towards Studio One (upgrading to newer versions) and buying things like Amplitube 5 max. If you had a similar option that would be great.

Mixing Hints would be Awesome next Podcast 😁😎😎

Studio One stock plugins are amazing. You start with sooooooo much and they work soooo well. Sample one is my personal favorite, never invested into a sampler in my life thanks to this absolutely fantastic sampler. My bad for glazing yall but shi am I lying tho?

what is the best choice to make correctly about 1:phase correlation (for example :kick layering. i only know the 'delay' in inspector) 2:M/S EQing (its super important). i agree all of your saying. but I am not sure in the two issues. can i take your advise about it?

This is great advice.

Absolutely right. But there are some 3rd party plugins that does things faster and has some unique features that you can't ignore.. Fx Plugins like shaper box 3 and portal , analog amulators like the UAD stuffs and reverb and delay plugins like ecoboy and crystalline..i mean , just demo all of them and pick the best ones.. You won't be needing more then 20 third party plugins anyways..

Yeah, pretty much agree. But some plugins are real purdy (Fabfilter, for instance) and others are just so familiar from repeated use that they're convenient. Having said that, I use about 20% of all the plugins I've bought over the years. The rest just aren't necessary. And having said *that*, I wouldn't be very bothered if I had to use only St One stock plugins for my next mix, even though I'm just getting into St One now. They work, right?

I agree. I've tried to limit myself to stock plugs many times and it mostly worked. I missed dynamic eq and de-esser, version 6 solved that problem. Still I miss better/sexier reverb, a delay, I love analog delay, just sometimes want more. Also a great limiter, saturator and some audio repair tools are on my wishlist from PreSonus to fill the gap. Ampire is also not my cup of tea. Other than that, mostly it is about habits I guess. OK, Waves MV2 and RBass, RVox make life easier as well. Probably forgot some things too, but overall very good point - don't buy anything if it is not crucial and needed for your workflow.

Hey Joe, great video as always. Any news about Atom SQ MK2?

Are there any videos suggesting how to setup Studio One for recording and mixing?

Real talk. Thanks Joe.

Excellent Advice as always ! Mosty do get by mixing with Studio One Stock plugs. I keep it sparse but have found some unique 3rd party utility plugs that make quick work of things in a pinch like: DrumsSSX, Vocal Rider and De-noise Pro VX . I do own two 3rd party reverbs that I got very comfortable with but the new Open Air 2 IR reverbs are absolutely stunning. I find meself using these more and more recently and getting desired results faster. The ST 1 manual is excellent but it lack's a little in the area of covering (in depth) all the Plug's that are available in "Fat Channel" (think the older manual prior to Ver. 6 might have covered more) would have been (would be) nice to have a dedicated "FAT CHANNEL" section in the current manual that deep dives into all the plug's and parameters. I've used Studio one for the last 5 years and it took some time but I practiced and researched how to use and get the most out of the Stock plug's I grab for most often and though I tested & tried a lot of 3rd party plugs ; I usually find studio one has the same emulation's or in the rare case it doesn't it will be added to Studio One + eventually. Then there is "Splitter" & "Macro Controls" (with pads) for anything else I (or anyone) can dream up..I re-call buying a stereo Imaging plug for a project and 2 months later studio one introduced Binaural and dual pan lol , luckily it wasn't an expensive plug. Using a side-chain in Studio One's EQ 2 you can get a dual channel view for masking and now it's dynamic. I'm glad I never bought Fabfilter. Having a few 3rd Party plugs to increase work-flow or for creative sparkle makes sense but for me it takes dedicated time to learn them, dedicated hours of listening and adjusting to integrate them onto the mixing Pallet..Depends how you like to create and what method produces more completed songs and mixes I suppose ? Some people work better with a lot of mediums and options some like myself like to keep it simple. My favorite resource for learning and new ideas are Joe Gilders channels ! Cheers Joe...

Hey, Joe, referencing @ 2:41, I *am* deaf in one ear, but that should only be temporary once I get to the doc and get a tube in there, hopefully next week. Then back to great mixes with mostly stock plugins...and as few plugins as I can force myself to limit myself to. 🤓

This video was exceptionally well done. Buying a bigger engine for your race car will not make you a driver. I know many mixers and managers that only use the S1 stuff 98%. They have just one or two 3rd party toys. It works and they sound great. Don't throw you money at a problem. Instead throw your time allocation in your life to learn how to use what you got.

Studio one is great I just wish that for professional users we get a better version of console shaper with output trim, and some more fat channel. I am also thinking about reducing my plugins and use mostly presonus plugins.

I just need an SSL stock plugin style

In the movie It's a Wonderful Life, Annie the maid responds to George and his brothers singing praises about their dad. "It's about time one of you lug heads said it". Well, this applies to you too Joe. About time, thank you.

Hey Joe! How can I record through Presonus plugins ? Such as drums and bass . I don’t have a console so I want to make a template for it with plugins to record through.Thanks in advance

I'm 100% software. I've had Studio One 2-1/2 yrs. and Sphere for 2/3 of it. I've bought a few plugins and never use them after first couple tries. My Presonus plugins make my music sound better, so that's what I keep dragging into the channels.

What is holding me back from using proeq is there is no lock for movement of the frequency and volume.

I have actually done mixes to show people that the stock plugins on most Daws are all you need in most cases. Studio One Stock Plugins are the Bomb no Doubt about it! I use UA Plugins mainly not because of name recognition but Saving DSP from main CPU on Host System as I mix huge projects with Strings etc. and they can run sometimes upward to 100 tracks or more actual wave audio tracks and is a little more demanding than Midi from what I noticed. Between UAD and the external DSP boxes and Waves with the Soundgrid system that I am totally not a fan of, but it does work, but waves hardware if clunky and the UA DSP is a Nice Dream. The sound difference of the plugins really doesn't matter to much as they all sound a little different because Real Hardware is different from unit to unit. But the Character difference is so minute it is almost laughable when people try to do a shoot out of which one is better. It's all marketing to a point. Heck my favorite plugins are from Fuse, Black Rooster Audio and Neold. But ever since I took the plunge into UAD Stuff, that's about all I use with the exception of the Abbey Road stuff that Waves have.

Joe, Question about separating a stereo track to get the tracks to remix them in studio one 6.5 .... Cakewalk would do this in an earlier edition

It's funny to see how much of a blind spot electronic music production is for Presonous guys, even thoughas far as DAW functionality goes, S1 is the best tool for me to produce Electronic music. But Joe starts the video "can you actually get great sounding mixes with stock S1 plugins". Yes, the answer to this question is a resounding Yes. I've given up my PA subscription and I'm considering giving up my UAD subscription. But if instead of "can you get great sounding mixes with S1 plugins" the question would be "can you comfortably produce any type of music with stock S1 plugins" then the conversation would go in a different direction :)

Yes - Studio One have great plugins... However, I can't seem to find a match in terms of features, customizations and efficiency to FabFilter Pro-Q3, L2, C2, Saturn 2 and Pro-R. (not advertising them) Pro-Q3 has Mid/Side cuts/boosts, Left/Right, Stereo Bands all within the same instance and more CPU friendly than native plugin. Not a must have but definitely the best addition anyone can make. Also for some reason when using Mixtool, MS Transform process audio differently and sounds different in a weird way.

I mean, yes ultimately true. I'm a S1 fan and with the latest version it is now my only DAW. However, I like to have different sound and different plugin give me that. I mean, it is false to say stock plugin sounds bad, it is just not real. If buying a plugin is because supposedly stocks one sound bad, then it shows there is somethings to work on. But, if you buy a plugin after having testing it, and you live the sound of it and you feel more inspired by it, then why not? Ultimately, plugin aren't just sound. I love the ssl Brainworx interface and the sound. I never get something like that inside studio one (at least for now) within one single plugin.

Hi, thank you for the new Presonus C24, but i'm confused how to connect my Iphone to this my presonus for streaming on social media, may I ask you politely for helping

Sometimes "plug-ins" is used to refer to effects rather than instruments. And I know you are mainly in the live recording biz so if you are referring to just the effects I would agree. I cant really tell the diff between stock and most 3rd party basic effects and eq, even compressors. On the instrument side though I feel the 3rd party products covering sampled or modelled instruments are really significantly better than the stock instruments. I like Impact a lot for basic electronic stuff but the acoustic samples are not on par with, eg., Addictive Drums 2. And as someone who is primarily a piano player I have never found a usable piano in Presence. If I were advising someone just starting or working w a tight budget I would totally recommend Studio One but also suggest saving up for a decent piano vst.

False proposition... Would CLA make a better mix with S1 stock plugins or with 3rd party plugins of his choice ? Thats the real question.

He has to take a moment to remember when his TWINS were born! what a powerhouse! jokes apart excellent vid - thank you!

A new guitar is always the solution to a better mix :)

It's not about the plugins but the skills of the engineer

When am using digital performer I use all stock plug in

I record solo piano and I can't get a reverb that I like with the stock plug-ins. I keep tweaking them but they all seem to change the sound instead of just adding reverb. I'm also a piano tuner so maybe I'm just extra sensitive to how it sounds.

I've never ever had anyone listen to a mix of mine and say man that generic 1176 plug in you used on the snare just doesn't sound as good as a real one. I agree, it's not the plug ins

Honestly I stand somewhere in between. The stock limiter eats dirt... It's flat and just bad really. So when you said you bought few extra plugins, I almost knew limiter would be one of them. Other than that, S1 is just missing a barebones, simple but !!! oversampled !!! hard/soft clipper. The two stock plugins I reach for the most are EQ and compressor. Both delays are great and reverb is superb. Also, MixTool could use infinite volume. I think it goes just to -/+ 24dB ? Why not complete silence? I have to use third party plugin for that too.

He’s right! However! Although I Love S1! It’s limited with the Synths it has like Mai tai is ok..but it’s limited..not to mention Presence..can’t even design your sound. Other Daws have multiple instruments like Fl…so that’s one thing I wish S1 would add more synths or pianos

First off, I'm one of Joe's members, and like his teaching. The 3 "plugins" he said he bought, one of them to me is not a "plugin", it's a s/w program----EZDrummer, of which I have. I do not use any of the MIDI or EDM type stuff in S1. I have a number of 3rd party plugins, but am starting to wean myself away from some vendors, like WAVES. But in my estimation, in only doing this about 4 yrs, I do not think that there are an S1 plugins that could compete with Eventide Split EQ, and a number of Brainworx products, OR Izotope, for which I use Ozone 10 Advanced when I master, along with their Tonal Balance Control--a must for my mastering, and Waves WLM for LUFS stuff. Others are RM Pro, and several ADPTR plugins, as their Metric A/B is a phenom plugin.

nice touch....particularly liked towards the end of the clip...'just write better songs and produce better music''....that's the aim of the game for most likely all of us....the one thing i appreciate on my own music is that it's gotten better by virtue of lifting my game ...rather than plugins........doesn't mean that it's good, just that it's better.

Absolutely 💯

Hi Studio One version 6.5 shows on Apple M2 laptops a blocked Presonus VST3 Shell, it means that external VST 3 plugins are ignored. Contacting the support team for weeks, the only solution we got to recover the use of VST3plugins, was do downgrade to version 6.1. Is any programmer checking the 6.5 code, in order to recover the use of Kontakt 7 or VEP 7 VST3 in Studio One?

Nice video, and I'm thinking you're right. At this moment I'm at the point to buy a new DAW computer. And yes, I made a list of all (most of them free) non-Presonus plugins, which I installed over the years. Do I use them a lot, no, not really. Why did I installed those plug-ins? Well, you see video's on KZfaq, install a free version to see what it can do, listen to it, whatever. So, the only plugin I bought was Superior Drummer 3 and some libraries for SD3. I just have a small, non calibrated home studio. Studio One Pro 6.5, StudioLive 64S and a NSB32.16 (Yep 64 input's, I don't like to patch my synths etc) and my beloved Mackie's HR824 MK1. BTW I just became 60 years old. So Can I hear the difference between the FabFilter Pro-Q 3 and the stock Presonus Pro EQ3? No, I can't anymore, not only because of my age, but also the listening environment. And yes, do I understand that there are plugins which are prefereable above S1 plugins? absolutely, If you are a producer, mixing engineer, in a well suited, calibrated professional studio, maybe with al lot of out board gear, and a top of the bill monitoring solution, yes, why not? But. If I had the possibillity to build a top notch calibrated (home) studio, with the best monitors I could buy, should I need third party plugins in S1? I don't think so. I think, it's just the musical, engineering, mixing and producer's level where you are, to use those plugins and get the max out of them. Yep, I installed iZotope, long time ago in S1. Try to master, Lot's of presets, sounds really good, saved the project, listening back the next day, hmmm, to "bumby", to much compression etc. etc. So, the stock plugins in S1, like reverb, chorus, delay, flanger, compression, limiting etc etc, they are, for me, perfect! I's the knowledge about the outboard gear, or plugins to create a great mix or master. So Joe, with my new DAW, I'm starting from scratch, only S1 plugins, and ok, SD3.

I live with Studio One, thank you PreSonus

totalmente de acuerdo

I agree with you Joe but unfortunately just recently I had to completely stop using studio one (the latest version of course) because even when I use only the stock plugins the DAW would crash and the auto save would not restore my project properly. I run a Mac Mini M2 with 32 gig of ram so I have plenty of horsepower and I have been in touch with support and have read many posts but I cant seem to get this worked out. I absolutely love Studio One over every other DAW I own but because of the plugin crash issue, stock or third party, it's not useable.

i found the most powerful plug in to be the volume knob.

Studio one6 Not going 00.00 Tempo, Iam making Ambient music, Drone sounds and instrument become fast, so please Update studio one6 . Iam using studio one since 2018 but, recently making ambient music, i will have to change tempo 00.00 by Audacity software, Thanks❤❤❤