This and That: 2020 Skate America, Evgeni Plushenko, Elizaveta Tuktamysheva

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This week, the U.S. Figure Skating informed us that Americans led to field in all disciplines at 2020 Skate America (where only skaters who lived in the U.S. were invited). We break it all down :Nathan Chen's costume, Lorrie Parker's judging, Madison Hubbell and Zach Donohue's Hallelujah, Mariah Bell, Bradie Tennell, Karen Chen, Gracie Gold, Amber Glenn and Alexa Knierim and Brandon Frazier. Then, a special visit from the essence of Evgeni Plushenko regarding the judging of Elizaveta Tuktamysheva and Anna Shcherbakova during the third stage of the Cup of Russia. It is another jam-packed episode of 'This and That,' with plenty of love for Mikhail Kolyada.
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@rywilk 3 жыл бұрын

3:03 Pairs (SA), 42:44 Ladies (SA), 1:07:45 Mens (SA), 1:10:50 Ice Dance (SA), 1:26:42 Cup of Russia, 1:34:45 Italian GP

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@jacquelineblance4861 3 жыл бұрын

Bless you!

@goldendelicious7155 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@Olga___864 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you ❤️

@zb6070 3 жыл бұрын

Mariah falls on her lutz: Everyone: Jill: Unfortunate for Mariah, fortunate for Kendall.

@laspaginasdealex 3 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@jmonz2625 3 жыл бұрын

This “crowd” was louder than any skate America crowd of the current era. Although they missed golden opportunities by not having Harding, Kwan, and Tutberidze cutouts

@courtneysokal6590 3 жыл бұрын

J Monz I was totally thinking that LOL. Would have loved a tonya cutout.

@jmonz2625 3 жыл бұрын

Gracie Gold has so many great qualities, Intelligent, clever, funny, witty. I know there must be some unfinished business left with this sport but some things in life are just never solved how one would want them to. I believe her talents and brightness would come out greatly doing trying something else. If she still loves skating at an elite level so be it, but I don’t think this is the way Gracie can truly let us and herself see how truly awesome she is.

@kristenjunker1632 3 жыл бұрын

After watching her, I agree. Why put oneself through the anguish of competition when it is pretty clear that making another olympic team is out of reach unless she makes some drastic changes to coaching/training/lifestyle. I wonder what advice Kimmie meissner or Rachel Flatt would have - they sort of tried to hang on past their prime, but then they retired, pursued an education and advanced degrees, and both seem successful and happy in their professional lives while contributing to the sport (coaching for KM, advisory groups for RF).

@TeatimeEdits 3 жыл бұрын

I literally cant get over the intro, its pure gold *chefs kiss*

@corgeousgeorge 3 жыл бұрын

So good right?! I love Jana on the table being so extra! I also enjoy that she watches the show and gets a kick out of her portrayal according to Dave. Shows she has a good sense of humor about herself.

@maria375s 3 жыл бұрын

Dave, I am originally from Russia and I think your Russian accent is THE BEST! Please don’t stop doing it!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you~!!! Some people try to claim I am being racist, but it is 100% from a place of Love and admiration!!!!

@biari8599 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson 🤦🏻‍♀️ I hate the "this is racist" SJW crowd 🙄🙄🙄 do they even notice how ridiculous they and their 'righteous anger' are?

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@@biari8599 That and the fact that I am the same race as the Russians I am impersonating...

@maria375s 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson nothing racist here, your impersonation of Russians is brilliant!

@nikolaykozma6613 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson I commented on the accent and one other user commented as well. I forget what they said but I said "I don't care like at all (only cause i'm personally not sensitive, others may be) but if these were Indian skaters or Mexican skaters or even asian skaters can you imagine the reaction to the accent. Don't think it would be the same at all" . I'm not sure if you're referring to me or the other user but if you are referring to me I just want to clear it up. I definitely do not think you are racist at all. AT ALL. I actually admire how you immerse yourself in this culture by continuing to learn the language and its one of the reasons why I follow The Skating Lesson. The point that I was trying to make was that it sounded like a double standard. Racism in my eyes is when you actively hate a race and not one percent of me thinks that at all. I specifically added the "I don't care at all" part to seem not aggressive or accusatory. If y'all knew me you would know that I am the furthest thing from a sjw I was just giving my opinion which I still stand by. Once again I apologize if you took it as me claiming you were racist. I want to clear it up for your sake and for my sake I don't want to make anyone feel like they're being accused of something. Sorry if this is badly written I'm not good with words.

@JonnyMason 3 жыл бұрын

The Galina impression kills me every time. 🤣🤣

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!

@seanl2403 3 жыл бұрын

The acting is impeccable 😆

@rebekahdixon1413 3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with Jonathan about Karen Chen. So nice to see her back and skating with such passion!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

She looks great!

@helenaprout1061 3 жыл бұрын

I have had such a 2020 day. Thank you for this, I'm sure itll cheer me up xx

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

You got this!

@helenaprout1061 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson

@susandwyer8878 3 жыл бұрын

I agree Jonathan - I enjoyed Karen the best in the women’s event.

@davidandrusia137 3 жыл бұрын

So glad you called out Karen (Chen, not Pence). I have always adored her unforced musicality and big, bold jumps.

@angelalaurent2324 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with Jonathan....for me it was Karen Chen too! It felt like we were back to basics with skating! She brought tears to my eyes....just loved her!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@susanfield3680 3 жыл бұрын

Loved her packaging. It was classic skating!

@susandwyer8878 3 жыл бұрын

I liked Karen the best in the ladies. She seems to enjoy skating and her programs.

@bettybleu12 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve been refreshing my KZfaq all day to see when the new This and That. Yay!!! It’s here!!!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@jaykind1249 3 жыл бұрын

Dave I love you, but let Jonathan finish his sentences! :)

@zytolda 3 жыл бұрын

Oh yes. It is hard to hear

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Will try

@daddygracestorytime6113 3 жыл бұрын

Let's be honest here....the REAL highlight of Skate America was all the audience cardboard cutouts!!! Those were epic!

@jacquelineblance4861 3 жыл бұрын

True story 😂🤣

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

I enjoy a good cringe!

@angieortizurena3327 3 жыл бұрын

The creepy lizard in the corner!!! 💕💕💕💕

@ekaterinamitroshina1992 3 жыл бұрын

@@angieortizurena3327 That was a reptilian😉

@meltemt0245 3 жыл бұрын

It’s so cute that Jonathan does facial expressions while Dave reads in Russian accent 🧡

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@laurabujalance3616 3 жыл бұрын

I never thought I was gonna like a Zhou program as much as I like his SP this year

@tracienieto2722 3 жыл бұрын

I hated ABBA for Mariah, LOVED Vincents sp, bored with Hubbel n Donahue, LOVED Hay n JL Bakers free dance HAPPY about Alexa n Brendan

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Alexa and Brandon look great!

@susandwyer8878 3 жыл бұрын

Liked Hay and JL Bakers free a lot. She is so expressive

@Cooltiger28 3 жыл бұрын

I loved Mariah Bells SP program and I hatted the ABBA program. She needs to change the program

@jacquelineblance4861 3 жыл бұрын

@@Cooltiger28 Totally agree with you. Her SP has real potential and is lovely. Her Free program is a hot mess, beginning with the music cuts and then the rest is just meh, nothing memorable about it and weird.

@JackAShepherd 3 жыл бұрын

The ABBA is one of the worst things I've ever seen... Shae put this together?!? WTactualF.

@colleenshaughnessy7081 3 жыл бұрын

"House of Safe Sport Horror"😂😂😂😂

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

100%

@floraf3426 3 жыл бұрын

The Galina impression killed me. Thank you for the pick me up guys!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

She speaks truth!

@michaelkolor788 3 жыл бұрын

"Somewhere in Moscow did Evgenia Medvedeva answer that phone call?" 😭😭

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

hahaha

@klaraky7738 3 жыл бұрын

When they say this?

@marilynyarema5722 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks guys. Always love getting the inside info...

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

You bet!

@vncntd3962 3 жыл бұрын

I won't say that I love Nathan's new FS program but I do like that he is trying something different. It's exactly what he needs to do, along with working on his SS and interpretation of music. The last thing he should do, IMO, is go back to his Elton John routine. He can use this for the exhibitions. As for his costumes: still not the best but a heck of a lot better than those awful Vera Wang shirts he wore last season.

@dennisjohnson7653 3 жыл бұрын

Vodka sweet tea and TSL. Easy like Sunday morning!!! TY Dave and Jonathan

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Our pleasure!

@jcaslove1 3 жыл бұрын

Knierim and Frazier had an outstanding debut. That was as strong of a debut as you'll see from a new pair, and in some ways they already look better than they ever have. Their throws are huge. Who knew Brandon had such a solid triple toe. Yes, they could add a few moments where they look at each other more, but they look good as a pair. And yes, everyone in skating knows each other. Ashley Cain's own dad is a technical specialist. I don't see it having relevance in the pair event here. I'm pleasantly surprised at how rapidly Alexa and Brandon are progressing. They're already more solid than with other partners. They are very established and strong pair skaters, not newcomers off the street, so they're going to get strong scores for great performances, especially in the U.S. They deserved the leads they had in both portions over the other pairs in the field. If anything, their SP score could have been slightly higher, but they skated first. More credit is necessary for the great work Jenni and Todd are doing balancing two strong pairs. And credit to Knierim and Frazier for doing an outstanding job after a few months of training in a pandemic. I'm also glad the High Performance guy Mitch loves Alexa. He should love the top pair skater in our country. She has the most raw talent, and this new pair needs support and funding.

@loloina 3 жыл бұрын

Highlight of Skate America: The Geico Lizzard

@etherealtb6021 3 жыл бұрын

Only if he'd skated. 😁

@jacquelineblance4861 3 жыл бұрын

@@etherealtb6021 Lol 🤣😂

@tamib846 3 жыл бұрын

@@etherealtb6021 😂

@vncntd3962 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, Tuktamysheva could/should have been ahead of Shcherbakova after the SP but I still think she was only third best at the end of the competition. Even the crazies posting comments during the live chat stream, who cried foul during the SP and writhed on the floor over the terrible injustice that they had just witnessed, were strangely muted after her FS scores came out. Personally, I found it hard to get upset at her SP scores considering that she was getting level 2s on her step sequence and on at least one of her spins and had an under-rotation on one of her triples. Her 3A was effortless and beautiful though.

@grisgris6908 3 жыл бұрын

I love her but she leaves a ton of points on the table

@lc4822 3 жыл бұрын

Both 3As looked a little under in the slow mo. And that entrance technique is so bizarre. But kudos for landing them both, and she did some great lutzes too. She was close to her best and this was Anna's worst senior competition so far. But Anna starts from a much higher score in the free and gets a million PCS points no matter what. Liza never had a chance, and the skating skills are the same even if her programs are a little better.

@JetBlueAirways320 3 жыл бұрын

Lol we only went on MUTE after the free skate because she didn’t lay it down. That’s besides the point though. The short program was a judging mess. Period.

@laurabujalance3616 3 жыл бұрын

Jonathan, couldn't agree more about the lack of variety in terms of music's choices. Especially in contrast with what was going on in Russia.

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, they all use the same cuts of Romeo and Juliet in Russia!

@laurabujalance3616 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson There I completely agree... I meant more in terms of USA basically having only Pop ballads, whereas there was classical, modern, pop, and so on in Russian. TBH, there were much many people compiting in Russia, and maybe it is that.

@vncntd3962 3 жыл бұрын

@@laurabujalance3616 Agree. This was one of the topics discussed during the live stream chat yesterday. Even when the music choices were questionable, there was a heck of a lot more variety in the SP music choices for the women at the Russian Cup than at Skate America where virtually every routine featured some dreary - as Jonathan would put it - "EMO" pop track with female vocals. This variety is not always true in Russia but it was certainly the case for the Ladies SP. While I don't necessarily expect the individual US Ladies to be paying so much attention to what their competitors are skating to, someone on their coaching staff should be as well as the choreographers they are paying $$ for their routines. Watching the SP competition at Skate America was depressingly monotonous music-wise.

@B___T985 3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree. Sitting through the Men's and Ladie's short programs at Skate America was brutal. Everyone had the kind of current pop music that you're bored with because you're forced to listen to it in the background while shopping at the grocery store.

@iwilsonjr 3 жыл бұрын

@@B___T985 But to be honest, does this generation of skaters have a great knowledge of music beyond the ballads/recent movies? This is one of those cases where they could talk to someone with a decent music collection that could give some new ideas. The music doesn't have to be shocking/avantgarde but there is a lot of music that works well with conservative tastes (like judges).

@selenity08 3 жыл бұрын

So impressed with their investigative reporting on the pairs scores 👏👏👏

@saramisthal6658 3 жыл бұрын

Nothing like watching TSL during a long layover. Thanks for keeping me entertained!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

@12oq 3 жыл бұрын

Oh I expected you guys to discuss russian cup (especially girls) more in detail, it was way too fast 😔

@joannm.1756 3 жыл бұрын

Dave, I've said it before and I'll say it again, your Galina imitation is HYSTERICAL! Spot on!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!!!!

@bring_back_figures5176 3 жыл бұрын

Igor and Kristen's daughter and Jenny's nephews on CYA this week and now Dave's nephew on This and That??? We are being spoiled with the cuteness this week!!!!!!!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@benbailey159bb 3 жыл бұрын

YES! I LOVE IT!!!! Also perfect timing for me x x x

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@joannm.1756 3 жыл бұрын

Dave, who transformed Kolyada? He's always been a great jumper, but now he's a beautiful skater too!! He's so trim, fit and confident. Looks like he spent 24/7 with the Bolshoi for the last year.

@denalihedgehog 3 жыл бұрын

He always had issues with his jumps. What's the use having the best lutz in the world if you can't land it?

@joannm.1756 3 жыл бұрын

@@denalihedgehog Like I said, he's always been a good jumper (not the best competitor though) but all of a sudden (seemingly) he has been transformed into a beautiful skater, like someone who grew up dancing (specifically ballet). He skates with confidence and artistry now.

@denalihedgehog 3 жыл бұрын

@@joannm.1756 He's always been an artist, he just didn't have the program to showcase his talent.

@mai3334 3 жыл бұрын

@@denalihedgehog because a true lutz is hard and inconsistent for even Liza. Maybe if he cheated the jump he could land it every time like some other schools in Russia.

@denalihedgehog 3 жыл бұрын

@@mai3334 is there anyone doing a true and consistent lutz now? Even Hanyu's edges are questionable sometimes

@jessezavala9714 3 жыл бұрын

Love your videos; the comp commentary, tea spilling and bts insights give me life! If you could please include pics or screen grabs of the people you talk about, its hard to follow sometimes. Thanks!!

@12oq 3 жыл бұрын

It really is hard! Especially with sudden references. I thought I’m the only one)

@karinacabrera1833 3 жыл бұрын

Currently watching this on a plane headed to Vegas! Too bad Skate America is over, but can't watch in person anyway. Love your vids! 😘

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Have fun!

@srgnt0016 3 жыл бұрын

JUST finished watching the last of the ISU recordings and popped over here, hoping for a video. Thanks!!!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Welcome!

@tayaleary8879 3 жыл бұрын

Dave ❤️ and Jonathan ❤️, thank you 🙏

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@maria375s 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this, can’t wait to watch!!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Hope you like it!

@elkenok 3 жыл бұрын

Look at the technical controllers for the senior ladies this week in Sochi. Then look at the junior ice dance event from Russian Cup 1 at Syzran (I recommend watching the programs as well as looking at the protocols)

@shelleyc853 3 жыл бұрын

Did anyone see Polina live tweeting just the ladies event critiquing everyone saying they needed more tech content? It was the way it was JUST the ladies lol

@thesovgc 3 жыл бұрын

She's a National Treasure.

@mangopapayablueberry1472 3 жыл бұрын

Polina's comments rubbed me the wrong way for some reason

@mangopapayablueberry1472 3 жыл бұрын

@Nathaniel Walker True, but i think it's the fact that those were also issues that Polina struggled with herself.

@shelleyc853 3 жыл бұрын

@Nathaniel Walker okay this is really late but I just listened to her podcast and tbh I actually agree with everything she said. The delivery irritated me a little but what she was saying was fully correct

@bettybleu12 3 жыл бұрын

Don’t you feel so honored when you know everything Dave and Jonathan is talking about? The references to Galina’s Russian accent and Russian type of opinions, Edge of Glory Michelle Kwan’s favoritism, Kyoko “lovely personality” and Jennie Leno’s Queen Pair status, the same 90’s skating addiction that Jonathan had, all the coaches, past skaters and choreographers. It’s like a weird foreign alien language that only Skating Fans Gen X Y whatever’s can relate to knowing all the books, interviews, performances, music, medals, scandals, OH My! And had boxes of VHS tapes and my own mix tapes of favorite performances that my family thought was crazy. But not just knowing, having the same opinion and impression. You guys are like my lost twins or triplets. All those moments where people thought I was a crazy fanatic, I have found my People, the Mother Land... oops did I go too far. 😬❤️😍

@fatimateresa19 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome

@NeverEclipsed81 3 жыл бұрын

The cardboard cutouts brought me here. I was gonna watch it anyway but it was more urgent because of the cutouts. One was a dog. 😨

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@jacquelineblance4861 3 жыл бұрын

And also CATS 🤣🤣

@jacquelineblance4861 3 жыл бұрын

@Nathaniel Walker Yeah, me too. I spit out my coffee because of the outburst, Lol 😅😅

@hannibaljustincase9985 3 жыл бұрын

there were many dogs! lmao

@etherealtb6021 3 жыл бұрын

And the Geicko Gecko. That had me going 😳

@AcademicAshley 3 жыл бұрын

Night at the Roxbury is a classic 🤣 I am soooo out of the loop I didn’t even realize they were having proper competitions lol so over 2020!

@rosedeighton5428 3 жыл бұрын

So excited for this!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@ileana823100 3 жыл бұрын

Any updates on when you video pertaining zhenya and her beeing back with eteri will be ready? Or did you decide to not do this video ?

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

I already started with Kostornaia, Trusova and Evgeny. There will be several.

@ileana823100 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson i know i just wanted to ask if you could already estimate if the video to this thematic will be up soon or if it will still take a bit longer. I understand that you have many things to do, i am just asking because when alyona and sasha left eteri your videos where up either onthe same day or a few days after,

@Baysk8er24 3 жыл бұрын

Great details! Made my Sunday ❤

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Thank you!

@bond_m 3 жыл бұрын

Even Tarasova found Tuktamysheva's scores too low. Funny she did not comment FS

@ksiusakurai2311 3 жыл бұрын

Didn't Yagudin comment on her opinion? That she's not completely right,something like that.

@paleleaves3291 3 жыл бұрын

@@ksiusakurai2311 He sure did. Still don’t get it why she said that. I’m pretty positive she knows more than whoever all the rules and requirements.

@ksiusakurai2311 3 жыл бұрын

@@paleleaves3291 I have such impression of Tarasova that sometimes she can speak emotionally,she seemed to have a lot of respect for Tuktamysheva.She knows well of 2-3 level of spins and steps of Liza and lack of elements between jumps,she couldn't get more there,maybe higher goe for jumps - but here we,viewers,can't judge how much higher they could have been?The difference in marks for the first 3 places wasn't huge so Liza wasn't that badly underscored. My personal opinion - I don't really like her FP,was expecting more of the Japanese theme.But Liza just can't perform as complicated and sofisticated as all other Eteri's girls (including former ones).

@andreagoldstein4070 3 жыл бұрын

Aww, Jonathan - a Josh Farris mention. I miss his skating and doing choreo for Camden Pulkinen isn't enough. Dave, if you could have Yana as a guest, that would be amazing! This weekend almost felt normal with all of the skating going on.

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

We love Joshua Farris! Yana is always welcome!

@helenaprout1061 3 жыл бұрын

lol at 4:35 i realised Jonathan is an entire FOOT taller than me :O mind=boggled, am very envious (I have to use the ballet extension to reach the top shelf XD)

@sandyj6110 3 жыл бұрын

Loved to show as always!! I'm a huge Jessica and Brian fan. If they were both blindfolded on the ice, I believe Brian could throw her and she would STILL LAND IT! . He is so strong, yet graceful, something about his hands/arms. They are just a joy to watch!

@jcaslove1 3 жыл бұрын

Their throws have very little distance which is why it's easier for her to land even though she always gets tilted on the way down.

@DSQueenie 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you xx

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

You are so welcome

@ColonelGreen 3 жыл бұрын

So many of the men at Skate America had clearly not been practicing their spins in the rush to get their jumps back -- the free skate turned into a long, agonizing wait for Keegan Messing to show up and save us with fast, quality spinning.

@aalegalfocus 3 жыл бұрын

His speed & spins are out of this world!

@guinsobral2026 3 жыл бұрын

I’m thinking my experience with Peacock was a lot different than what many had. Yes, the sign up was a bit confusing, but after that it was smooth. No buffering or dropping and I had the replays available right away-because I missed the first group of ladies in the long and then watched it right away after it completed-(and my internet is not great) Now having said this you know I’ve jinxed myself!

@suzyq0076 3 жыл бұрын

Agree. I had a much better experience with Peacock than I did with NBC Gold.

@mersinhusnuoglu6780 3 жыл бұрын

Tarasova’s mother Russia look in the opening gives me lifeeeeee!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

@olgas6520 3 жыл бұрын

Dave and Jonathan, what do you think about Mosalev? Many Russian skating fans love his skating.

@ehrenjw 3 жыл бұрын

Karen was so wonderful. I’m surprised she didn’t get more in the second mark. For me the class of the field, even with the slight URs. ABBA does not do it for me. Mariah, change it! There’s time.

@aalegalfocus 3 жыл бұрын

I agree. Karen's speed, huge jumps, amazing spins, etc. were especially dazzling to watch in person.

@tanyawade4954 3 жыл бұрын

We need to burn Madison’s rhythm dance dress.

@KL-pv7cl 3 жыл бұрын

ASAP

@JackAShepherd 3 жыл бұрын

I made it through 20 seconds. I love H&D but they're always choosing these garbage tracks

@laurielynne2006 3 жыл бұрын

It’s a straight up tragedy! Her FD dress however is exquisite!

@emilyd3521 3 жыл бұрын

Love the sweater, Dave! Have you heard anything about Osokina? She's not on the start order for the Juniors tomorrow :(

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I have not heard!

@denalihedgehog 3 жыл бұрын

I heard rumours she had broken her leg or something. 💔💔

@Samantha-td2ie 3 жыл бұрын

figure skating is like Survivor and Big Brother, a social game will get you far

@susannahkatz7351 3 жыл бұрын

Dave, do you know why Tuk's 2A was invalidated in the FS?

@grisgris6908 3 жыл бұрын

I’m really rooting for Amber Glenn to step up, and I don’t think she fully realizes yet what a big step up she could take. She’s so feisty and powerful on social media, Id love to see her ditch the sad emo ballads and skate to some powerful upbeat music. The dresses are also drab as hell, stronger colors and more ornate needed. The US ladies lineup is weak, so a skater like Amber who’s upping her tech content and working hard could make significant moves.

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

She needs to leave Texas and discover fashion.

@susandwyer8878 3 жыл бұрын

Amber looked like she didn’t want to be there. Boring depressing music about love and loss. Put a better package together. Better costumes and less makeup.

@chloeclemence2991 3 жыл бұрын

Petition to get TSL to do This and That as a podcast

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Chloe Clemence I post the audio files on Patreon. Not changing my format and splintering my audience and business model 8 years in.

@chloeclemence2991 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson I can't afford patreon. But I understand.

@thesovgc 3 жыл бұрын

The intro is gold. People mis-wearing 🎭 is always the biggest WTF to me. It's like, "Why bother?" 🤪 The Tarasova Moment is EVERYTHING!

@amelies.2209 3 жыл бұрын

Dave pleaaaase make a video about whom to follow where!

@shannalee80 3 жыл бұрын

Still not sure what to think about Gracie’s comeback so far - it seems to me that she doesn’t know why she’s out there on the ice.

@simtopia2334 3 жыл бұрын

she looks a bit more trained than her previous outing, i think she wants it but they really need an experienced technician to help her with the jumps and some refinement (hold those spins longer to get the level 4) Personally i'd consider Ravi Walia given the outstanding work he has done with Osmond.

@lc4822 3 жыл бұрын

@@simtopia2334 Her problem isn't technical. She's clearly still struggling with her emotions and hates competing.

@TheRockChalkJayhawk1 3 жыл бұрын

Even the practice sessions she mostly stood around or slowly circled the rink. She can land jumps, but needs to rest after each jump. She doesn't have the physical conditioning to get through a program, and I can't see that changing in the foreseeable future.

@simtopia2334 3 жыл бұрын

@@lc4822 I don't think she hates competing, otherwise she would have not showed up at Skate America.

@jjkaykay8552 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheRockChalkJayhawk1 I agree it's clearly conditioning, she has done a lot to get back to where she is and can do the jumps she just needs to train hard on stamina to be able to put a program together.

@Clara-yn4jb 3 жыл бұрын

If the federation is going to continue this Eteri love in this capacity, I suspect the Olympic team will have Anna and Kamila, while Trusova and Kostornaia battle it out for the third spot. Which obviously will depend on whose quads/triple axels are there.

@50781975 3 жыл бұрын

Do you think Anna will still have her jumps during the Olympic season?

@crobicha1 3 жыл бұрын

Anna is not solid. Those quads are so cheated, flat lutz, loop combo doesn’t work because she’s grown too big and has zero speed out of jumps. She is not even top 3 anymore :( if judges were fair they wouldn’t give such high Goe for a cheated quad :( before the haters come: I like Anna.

@feyanormorfol2457 3 жыл бұрын

@@crobicha1 didn't judges make it clear yesterday, that "prerotation" is not limited and "underrotation" IS?

@crobicha1 3 жыл бұрын

@@feyanormorfol2457 well when it’s a good 3/4 prerotation there should be deductions. Also a prerotated jump, regardless of the level of prerotation should be given less points than a jump with prerotation. Oh - and the rules should be applied uniformly.

@feyanormorfol2457 3 жыл бұрын

@@crobicha1 which point of rules says about 3/4? It' pretty daring to say "rules should to do something". Rules do not owe anything to anyone. Rules are the same for all skaters. It's funny to read something like "I underrotated, but at least I had minimal prerotation" - what an idiot, you should have done the opposite!

@CaraMarie13 3 жыл бұрын

I like Dave but he is such a bad conversationalist. Good conversations flow naturally, like a give and take and take and give but he really struggles with incorporating points other than his in the discussion and worst it's his constant interrupting.

@iris7484 3 жыл бұрын

yeah there's no need to be on the phone during it, either. that was weird while Jonathan was talking and his mind was clearly on something else

@letitiakearney2423 3 жыл бұрын

I wish he would let Jonathan talk so we can get his views as well you can see Dave's mind working overtime while getting ready to pounce and cut Jonathan off.

@JackAShepherd 3 жыл бұрын

I think it's the ADHD

@lucyrose5841 3 жыл бұрын

I have to agree. I love what Dave does, God knows this is the best resource in skating but I just wish he would let Jonathan talk. It's always been this way but definitely getting worse. I think it's worse since he started doing the CYA Live stuff. Like I get the feeling he's bored talking about all of this stuff after doing like 6 hours of live stream.

@mme.dilettante 3 жыл бұрын

The “host” is distinctly amateurish, grossly exaggerated, and just plain out nellie-petty. Those unpleasantries nonetheless take a backseat to his incessant interruption of Jonathan, who is quite professional, articulate, and infinitely more talented.

@ntahoegirl 3 жыл бұрын

David, You killed the Russian accent Impression! Jonathan very funny board cut out joke! I also appreciate the mom shout out I personally think we work super hard and deserve a bit more respect in this sport. :)

@professorstaceycamp 3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way about Gracie as you two do. I just want her to be happy.

@KL-pv7cl 3 жыл бұрын

Did they talk about her? I totally missed it.

@pandaz1993himick 3 жыл бұрын

Very excited!!!! SKATING IS BACK! Jonathan had no visible vase -- should we be concerned?

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

He is traveling!

@pandaz1993himick 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson Perfect, universe undisturbed, time to sit back and enjoy the episode!

@skatfan 3 жыл бұрын

It’s clearly a hotel room.

@pandaz1993himick 3 жыл бұрын

@@skatfan I feel like the hotel could have sorted something out vase-wise!

@bonnie9131 3 жыл бұрын

Ceramics like to stay at home so they can welcome you when you return.

@patriciaann7330 3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t you think Marie France would have some say in Maddies costumes? Anyway she’s changed costumes as the season goes on in the past. Hopefully she will again. I seriously love them and want them to succeed.

@maccarey7253 3 жыл бұрын

I always wonder this as well. I love them as well and think Madison is so beautiful. I hope they can fix the costume issues.

@PatriciaFredanel 3 жыл бұрын

The audible laugh that burst out of me at the thought of Nathan and Mariah fake dating could be heard from miles away.

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@sk8nlizard 3 жыл бұрын

When I watch Alexa and Brandon, I get the impression that he knows he traded up (even though I liked Haven a lot) and is just trying not to screw it up!

@corgeousgeorge 3 жыл бұрын

If they do the adult figure skating sitcom like "The office" or "Modern Family" in that Christopher Guest documentary vein I think the show could do very well but if they do it like just a straight sitcom like Big Bang Theory or something? Not so much. Now I got to get my late night packet together and a dialogue sample to send over to the person hiring the writers!

@slipperyhardandcold7740 3 жыл бұрын

Just think, the sitcom might actually popularize FS in the U.S.

@GraceGold 3 жыл бұрын

“Think of all the moneys we’re getting...” 🤣 I can listen to a whole show in Galina voice.

@pandaz1993himick 3 жыл бұрын

Your love for pairs is so admirable, even more love for the ladies would be appreciated! I want to know what you think of all of them in detail, I feel like we all want more!!! Can't wait for the vaccine to be sorted so that you have even more to talk about!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

I don't think the ladies were very strong. It is best to say less in this area.

@pandaz1993himick 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson very diplomatic!

@nikolaykozma6613 3 жыл бұрын

lol THANK YOU Jonathan! we come here to escape from politics!

@elizabethm08 3 жыл бұрын

Would someone explain what the “q” means again? Thank you!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

It is not a fully rotated jump. Landed on the quarter. Not as bad as < or

@shelleyc853 3 жыл бұрын

Also doesn't give a reduction in base value, just an indication for the judges to reduce GOE. For "exactly " on a quarter rotation. So weird

@professorstaceycamp 3 жыл бұрын

I need a Dave vs. Jackie show!!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

@ellenbower4825 3 жыл бұрын

The music for most of the performances was lacking. Were many of the performances last years programs?

@mayamurphy3769 3 жыл бұрын

What did the Federation offer/assure Eteri to take Medvedeva back? Do you think Medvedeva will retire after this season?

@susanfield3680 3 жыл бұрын

I live for a Christine Brennan book!

@MyKombucha 3 жыл бұрын

Having trouble following... Can anyone explain the Kyoko Ina VS. Jenny Todd tension today? I know they were competitors back in the '90s but why would they be antagonistic today? Much obliged to anyone who can help! Thank you 😊

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Meno and Sand were the favored team by USFS. Ina and Dungjen (and their coach) were openly salty about it circa '96-'98. Meno and Sand were married and had the great narrative. Kyoko Ina is rather cold as a person. Today, Kyoko works for USFS and Meno and Sand are the favored coaches with the favored teams, so they are still very much a part of her life and she has to play nice with them. Kyoko has the kind of position where everyone is fake nice to you, but no one actually likes you.

@MyKombucha 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson Aaaaah thank you Dave! No way I keep up with intricacies like that. Much appreciated. 😊

@amandas9995 3 жыл бұрын

Are you gonna be recapping Battle of the Blades? 🙏

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

We will next week!

@nakna3 3 жыл бұрын

The Cup of Russia has a system of bonus points. I don't know all the detail but I think that it's one point for a good spin (level 4) and two points for a clean quad (maybe, 3A?). I might be wrong about specifics. The bottom line is that good spins and some good jumps are given extra points (what good means remain a mystery). I have not seen the protocols for Anna and Lisa. But those bonuses probably explain some of the differences between their scores in the short... though it does not help me to swallow this outcome.

@denalihedgehog 3 жыл бұрын

It's 1 point for a level 4 spin (and maybe step sequence, but i'm not sure about it), 1 for a clean trixel (not sure here ether), 1 for a clean quad (and another if you do another type of quad). This system has been there for ages because Cup of Russia usually doesn't have top skaters, so nobody cared about

@birgitangermair4483 3 жыл бұрын

@@denalihedgehog : Hi everyone! I I just saw the protocols and watched this: Quads and triple Axels get a 2 Point Bonus, and spins get a 1 Point Bonus if clean (?????) executed ( Kolyada for e.g did not get a single Bonus point in the free skate though his flying sit spin ist still the best on this planet...). So, Anna got 2 Bonus Points in the SP for two of her spins and Liza got 2 Points for the 3A. In the FS Anna got 4 Points Bonus and Liza 2. So, thats okay for me. What I don`t get is why Annas 2nd 3T was invalidated as well as Liza`s 2A(with SEQ)??? Can someone explain??

@infusoria8036 3 жыл бұрын

Russian here and simply can not get enough of your new soap opera intro! 😂 Please never change it! 👏

@user-gv5qd9oc4p 3 жыл бұрын

There were some really beautiful programs to Glass, Satoko's gala or Buttler's. It's rather difficult but possible.

@etherealtb6021 3 жыл бұрын

I love Nathan's SP. I'm surprised you guys didn't like it & that's the closest he's come to a costume since the Olympics! 😂 I like the LP too, but then I love Philip Glass. Don't ask me why. You know how I feel about emo music. But I find Glass' music hypnotic & strangely lovely. 🤷 Props to Vincent for trying to skate to something else by Muse. However, picking from their weakest album AND using the only good song in the last 20 seconds doesn't help. They've written many, MANY really good songs that are great for skating, like there is an Exogenisis 1 & 2, but this isn't their good stuff, even to them. This is what they play in between song set ups at their concerts. Not joking. I'm a big fan & have been to several of their concerts.

@tsmith908 3 жыл бұрын

A program is more about what music do you like. There are transitions, choreographic movements, layout of elements and where they are put in a program etc and just because you like certain types of music it doesn't mean the program itself is good.

@etherealtb6021 3 жыл бұрын

@@tsmith908 @SacredStone of course it matters. Those transitions, choreographic moveents & layout of elements are supposed to be inspired by the music. They don't exist in a vaccum. The music is EVERYTHING.

@tsmith908 3 жыл бұрын

@@etherealtb6021 you said you love Philip Glass in general. Just because you like a music it doesn't make the program good. You can try to argument here but your first comment says you only like the music.

@etherealtb6021 3 жыл бұрын

@@tsmith908 then I don't see what your point is. I clearly said I might be prejudiced to like the program because I like thr music. BTW, please name me a program where you hated the music but loved the transitions, layout and choreo so much, it overcame your hatred of the music.

@chelsear.5386 3 жыл бұрын

Can Galina have a regular segment on the show? Priceless!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

It has to come from within! We will have to keep watching the judging!!

@TheSaintbx 3 жыл бұрын

It’s nice to see you talk about American skating again (or any others besides Russian). I know Russia is probably most news worthy but it’s been hard!

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

I like skating for skating. The Russians just have more events!

@jijodobbas 3 жыл бұрын

Recently I finally found out who the Tara and Danny, Dave and Jonathan were talking about, actually are 😂

@nataliemolina2428 3 жыл бұрын

The Tyra reference killed me 😂😂😂😂

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

So glad!

@tracienieto2722 3 жыл бұрын

The emo ballads are killing me...get rid of vocals please

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

I agree about the ballads!

@JackAShepherd 3 жыл бұрын

YES OMFG.

@rywilk 3 жыл бұрын

I really miss the days when vocals weren't allowed. They almost always distract from the performance and make the music cuts even more glaring.

@JackAShepherd 3 жыл бұрын

@@rywilk Horrible. Almost no one does them well. I always liked Ashley's music cuts and the way she interspersed lyrics with instrumental parts, but I can't think of anyone else. The classic example of how to poorly use lyrics, IMO, was Gracie's Phantom FS the first season they were allowed 😱

@etherealtb6021 3 жыл бұрын

Vocals aren't the issue. A good portion of the emo music uses has no vocals. It is the dreary music trend, since James & Cipres' The Sound of Silence, while ignoring the fact that song wasn't boring.

@toniannhorvath6745 3 жыл бұрын

Alexa and Brandon's debut was so impressive and strong and a real highlight of the event. She's one of the best pair skaters in the world and I knew she could find quick success with a new partner. They need more time together but already have a lot of potential on a world level. She deserves more credit and more discussion of her spectacular throw triple loop and the way they successfully merged two different techniques so quickly, rather than talk about how she's friendly with Lorrie Parker, like many skaters are. The pairs world is small and everyone is friendly with everyone, including the other judge you mentioned, Troy. In fact Troy was the technical specialist at 2019 Worlds when Ashley Cain's very underrotated triple salchow wasn't called under, for the first time that season. So I'm not sure about the insinuation that the judges are out to get them. You could make a case that Cain/LeDuc could have been 3rd here over Lu/Mitrofanov who don't have strong pair elements either, and perhaps question why they finished so far behind Calalang/Johnson who missed every jump and had subpar throws. C/J of course have a better twist and lifts than C/L. But Alexa's lead over those teams was very well deserved. We all know GP events have domestic judging panels this season, so the scores might skew higher, in every country. And we know that PCS go up when your TES does. But Alexa and Brandon have world class elements and will be getting scores like that everywhere if they continue on this pace.

@ritaduncan6313 3 жыл бұрын

@lawomann I'm not sure if it's Brian, Jessica, or Jeni/Todd. Jessica had "small" throws with her old partner too. Brian threw "small" with his old partner Chelsea too (although not quite as small as with Jessica), and Jeni and Todd if you go back and watch their youtube videos had throws that had little distance as well. So I'm not sure if Brian and Jessica have just been taught this technique or if it will get better the longer the team is together.

@ritaduncan6313 3 жыл бұрын

I might have to respectfully disagree about C/LD vs. C/J. I think there was a clear better quality to C/J in spite of the missed jumps. I don't agree that C/LD are being "harshly" judged all of a sudden. I think they might have had less training time due to his injury. They don't have the precision they once had in 2019. In fact I will say in 2019/2020 season and the 2020/2021 season they have failed to get better and actually look worse. I think C/J have shown huge improvements just since 4CC. The PCS for C/J were rightfully much higher IMO because they have better flow, speed, technique, better lifts, better posture, and a better twist. And maybe even better unison. While the quality of C/J is getting better, the quality of C/LD is getting worse. The throws or C/LD are bigger, faster and higher. But she lands so out of control and in such a hunched position, it scores lower. Their lifts are a horror. I think the truest thing I have heard Dave say on SKL is that they could hugely benefit from a better coach. One that pays attention to detail. As for C/J they have better quality all around, but Jessica seems to be in denial that she "just needs to land the triples" like in practice. She has no triple jumps, and she needs to admit it and get Rafe added to their coaching team ASAP. JMO.

@zytolda 3 жыл бұрын

Love Galina🤩

@TheSkatingLesson 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!~

@rachelheller1396 3 жыл бұрын

I am intrigued. Please explain the story behind Ashley and Tim?

@toniannhorvath6745 3 жыл бұрын

There wasn't really a story. Their underrotated triple sal in the short program was mistakeningly, I'm assuming, called downgraded and they lost a couple points. Granted, we didn't have access to good frame-by-frame replay. But the rest of their scoresheet ranged from fair to a bit generous. Yet I'm hearing these excuses about why they came in 4th and talk of tall shaming, instead of acknowledging that being tall inherently affects the quality of pair skating, which is why nearly all of the pair girls are very short or have bigger height differences with their partners.