This and That: Ukraine, Russian Cup Final, Jia Shin, Challenge Cup, Ilia Malinin

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This week on 'This and That,' we discuss the situation in Ukraine and its potential impact on upcoming sporting events and on figure skating in particular. We discuss the performances of Sofia Akatieva, Adeliia Petrosian, Veronika Zhilina and Alisa Dvoeglazova at the Russian Cup Final, Jia Shin, Yelim Kim and Young You at the umpteenth Korean domestic competition, and Ilia Malinin and Lindsay Thorngren at the Challenge Cup.
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@hannahma7064 2 жыл бұрын

Timestamps :) 0:00 Introduction- so much happening recently! 4:11 Adult skating season 6:18 Ukraine (Junior Worlds & Worlds, Grand Prix 2022, sanctions affecting sports) 11:36 The impact of what’s happening in the world makes everything seem trivial 18:17 Corporates & powerful figures in skating/sports/government (latest As The Blade Turns) 21:27 Valieva case & Russian doping history & how skating has changed 36:24 Russian Cup Final 37:42 Veronika Zhilina 38:34 Alisa Dvoeglazova 40:04 Sofia Akatieva 41:35 Valieva situation 50:40 ISU statement regarding Ukraine & COVID for speed skating and synchro, ISU shenanigans in general 59:20 KSF holding yet another competition 1:01:10 Jia Shin 1:02:29 Yelim Kim & Young You 1:06:14 Ilia Malinin 1:07:54 Nathan Chen’s post-Olympic schedule (1:09:28 Jonathan saw Elton John) 1:10:05 Music copyright issue 1:14:53 Lindsay Thorngren 1:16:17 Rino Matsuike 1:16:24 it all feels trivial :( 1:17:23 the disappearance of skating from Peacock & Olympic footage rights 1:22:02 reflection on Olympic experience in general, NBC 1:29:50 Adelia Petrosyan’s death on the ice 1:30:24 moment of the week PS. How do you guys like timestamps to be organized? Do you like for there to be extra spacing between each line of timestamp (double spaced)? Do you like them all single-spaced to save space? Is the grouping and double-spacing between clumps of stamps I have right now okay? Let me know for future reference if you wish :)

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 2 жыл бұрын

Than, you so so much life saver. This is perfect

@dee98 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@chrisjacobsen5558 2 жыл бұрын

This format is great! You’re so thoughtful

@atf7ip 2 жыл бұрын

I agree. That format is perfect.

@jaykind1249 2 жыл бұрын

I like more spacing… much easier to read. Thanks!

@elizabethm08 2 жыл бұрын

I think your assessment about the doping from a young age is spot on and how the if ‘you don’t take this we will find someone else who will’ mental game these children have to endure. It reminds me of the 14 yr old female Chinese platform diver from this summer Olympics who said she needed to dive so her mom could get medical care. Absolutely heartbreaking 💔

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

💔💔

@zonedutopia 2 жыл бұрын

Poland kicked out Russia out of football championships for attacking sister Ukraine 🇺🇦 I'm Polish and I rent house with 3 Ukrainian dudes, even if we're not besties close I see clear change in them, worry all the time. Last week we were laughing together since we have to translate every joke 3 times before everybody understands and now corridors are silent. I only hear them talking on the phone non stop, no jokes or celebrating holiday. There's drums and dancing outside my window, carnival in Netherlands but our house is numb.

@zonedutopia 2 жыл бұрын

@@olivia5359 so what u want us to do, invite them for the game? Everyone is doing what is possible, I'm collecting food and meds together with my coemployees what are you doing?

@janisseraneses4823 2 жыл бұрын

Dave, I litteraly just finished watching the latest "As the Blade Turns" and now you put this one out. You're really doing all the heavy lifting in the figure skating world (and even beyond it)! Belated happy birthday.

@hoang-yennguyen5637 2 жыл бұрын

Honestlyyyy. I used to think these were odd but when I started watching them, I couldn’t put my phone down. The depth they go into and commentary is amazing and informative and I love how they explain their opinions.

@elizabethlockhart8044 2 жыл бұрын

"My skating coach is in a bomb shelter in Kyiv". That kinda sums up the times in which we live. Thank you very much for this video during these insane times. And may this year be your best yet, Dave.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

🙏

@marycoyne1889 2 жыл бұрын

😭

@olikafeliz7780 2 жыл бұрын

Guys, thanks for bringing up the Ukraine talk. I’m Ukrainian. And, yes, the whole skating drama is trivial at the moment. You know, when you sit in a bomb shelter, and your family is somewhere out there, the safety is the only thing you can think of. Yet I love your channel! ❤️ Thanks for everything you’ve been doing!

@saho1355 2 жыл бұрын

I wish you and your family just the best! Stay safe and let's hope that this awful war ends soon! Greetings from Germany - we stand with you 💛💙

@radioactive_sunflowerz2450 2 жыл бұрын

Hope you and your family can stay safe and unharmed in this insanity, love from the US 💙💛

@Du-Masses 2 жыл бұрын

We are all thinking and hoping for you and your family and your country.

@patsylune7243 2 жыл бұрын

Sending so much love and strength from Australia. I can't even begin to imagine this experience for you, your family, your community and your country but we love you and I pray that the world stands the fuck up and assists in your fight. Because it's our fight. 💙💛

@michaelcraig666 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Jonathan for articulating so well my feelings that "there doesn't seem to be anything left for me here".

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

💔

@meghannpytka3989 2 жыл бұрын

"She's dying because she trains with Eteri and her soul is leaving her body." Shady! Loved it. Quote of the show for me.

@patsylune7243 2 жыл бұрын

I was very pleased that the Olympic commentators in Australia REALLY commented on the poor and dangerous technique of the Russian skaters. I am a former ballet dancer and had Russian teachers. I now have chronic stress fractures in my spine that will forever prevent me from ever doing any high intensity activities whatsoever. Because the same approach stands in ballet - being underweight, preventing puberty for as long as possible and serious overtraining. Where is the actual accountability and protection of children? 7 days a week training was not sustainable - especially after at age 8 my teacher told me "only eat one apple per day". That was it. One apple.....

@MM-co4lf 2 жыл бұрын

As usual, thank you David and Jonathan for the sober and informed discussion on so many topics that are occuring at the moment it's so nice. Happy belated birthday David. All the best.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

🙏🙏

@lild2515 2 жыл бұрын

I think TSL owes skaters like Ashley, Karen Chen, Gracie, Rika Kihira, Bradie Tennell, Mirai, Eunsoo, apologies for criticizing them for not keeping up with the Russians, not having the same difficulty, for inconsistency, etc when it turns out they couldn't keep up because in addition to rigging the judging for ugly skating, the Russians were doping on top of cheating through judging. It makes you wonder why TSL never criticizes the Russians for ugly skating. They're probably all doping and THAT is the best they can do? They don't even skate on edges or have good technique. Cheated jumps, sloppy flailing, two foot skating, no speed, etc and the list goes on. One of the few Russians who skated beautifully was Kostornaia, and who knows if she'll ever regain form again Remember judges aren't professionals. They're volunteers. Skating commentary like TSL has influence and unfortunately they just vapidly echoed the russian hype machine instead of pointing out that the Russians have bad basic skating. Justice for the other skaters

@MM-co4lf 2 жыл бұрын

@@lild2515 I think your comments are interesting although I won't really agree that TSL has unjustly critisized the US and Japanese skaters. In many videos David and Jonathan have mentioned just how much they appreciate skaters like Karen Chen and Rika and their contributions to the sport. In many ways TSL has evaluated these skaters up against the Russian skaters; however, it can't be ignored that the Russian skaters have been winning everything. It shouldn't also be ignored that both David and Jonathan have criticized the limitation of Eteri's jumping and skating technique, not the mention the unimaginative chereography of Dany G.

@lild2515 2 жыл бұрын

@@MM-co4lf dave paraphrasing his coach: you think a bag of pills would have made a difference for Karen Chen? calling Gracie mentally weak all those years when now we know why one camp kept winning...they echoed the toxicity that led to Gracie suffering from disordered eating. Rika Kihira in person is not slow. But Jonathan keeps saying that. You know who skates like walking through mud? TUKTAMYSHEVA. They never point that out. And the years of saying xyz Asian skaters have no expression...while Aliona, Kamila, escaped the same criticism. And while Aliona has great skating skills - she's often robotic and stone faced. Kamila could be skating to any old music. On all these issues Fran pointed it out - especially robotic cookie cutter skating and abusive coaching. With less insider knowledge and only working common sense. They really do owe them an apology. ESPECIALLY for adding to the narrative that robbed Rika and Bradie from being judged evenly against their competitors.

@sallyjean2250 2 жыл бұрын

I'm all in favour of a diminished World's without Russian skaters. I might not have thought that prior to the latest doping scandal, but with that and events in the Ukraine, I would be all too happy to see a World's without any Russian competitors.

@iamsoverybored878 2 жыл бұрын

Mens and dance will still be competitive.

@jamiejoonks 2 жыл бұрын

@@iamsoverybored878 so will the womens field….we’ve still got girls doing triple axels and great programs. They may also really step it up if they actually feel like they have a shot at a medal for once.

@iamdee2615 2 жыл бұрын

@Honey Checked and listen on Dave episode As The Blade Turns Kamila Valieva...

@skatefan9495 2 жыл бұрын

@Honey The IOC has pointed out that Ukrainian athletes will not be able to compete.

@harrietteloise3481 2 жыл бұрын

“This was not a homosexual event” is gotta be my new favorite quote from Dave. How hard is it for coaches and choreographers to find age appropriate music nowadays, seriously? We may need a TSL tutorial on picking music for Juniors. There are so many options like from film scores such as the Return to Oz, Lucas, Inside Out, etc. It’s baffling that coaches/choreographers aren’t working more on musicality. They should at least have their students watch the movie and read the book/Cliff Notes/Wiki that their music is from when picking a film score. This is how they begin to learn how interpret the music. P.S. Thanks to Michelle Kwan’s Winter program, I got introduced to Tori Amos. I went out and bought that C.D. for $16.99 or so.

@msbhomein 2 жыл бұрын

Tara Lipinski's Olympic skate to the movie, "The Rainbow ". Doesn't seem like ANYONE reseached THAT one!

@BillyWhaler 2 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one still puzzled by the lack of in-depth coverage and follow up questions on the makeup and doping suspension?

@dkeinow 2 жыл бұрын

43:00 to 46:00 ish - THANK YOU!! I have to sometimes walk away when Americans that I work with were actually happy to see Valieva fall and blame her fir the doping scandal! They said the same thing, "she is 15, she should know what she was taking". First, these people are obviously not skating fans. Second, these are people who views the world ONLY through their American lens and believe that the world culture should be American culture

@TheMilopilo 2 жыл бұрын

I will never forget Paul Wylie performing Carmina Burana when the power surged and the lights flashed. It was crazy perfection.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

@ianxhristopher7778 2 жыл бұрын

Happy Birthday Dave!!! Happy Birthday Mr. Spletnikov as well haha 🎁🥳

@corgeousgeorge 2 жыл бұрын

Re; Music and skating and lawsuite for the use of popular music without paying the artist or exposure etc. : The two of you are SO RIGHT as I would have NEVER discovered the brilliant Eva Cassidy if I hadn't been a fan of Michelle Kwan and her Olympic season exhibition program to "fields of gold". The song changed my whole world and discovering Eva has brought me so much joyous sadness I cannot comprehend it.

@evanperilstein5308 2 жыл бұрын

Jia Shin appears to be the Korean Kostornaia. I just hope she has a much longer and healthier career than Kosto.

@kdcm6690 2 жыл бұрын

She has beautiful jumps. And a wholesome loveliness you can't teach.

@anthonydolio8118 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you guys. Given everything that is going on in the world, it was nice to enjoy your conversation.

@Anthony-lh9kz 2 жыл бұрын

I feel like Nathan should do Worlds. There’s not much left for him to do media wise at this point. For an American man, that media train leaves pretty quick. All that’s really left for him is maybe one or two red carpet walks or DWTS that’s after worlds. Winning some extra money from winning worlds could help him buy a really nice house and other stuff.

@Rachel-rs7jn 2 жыл бұрын

I've never gotten here so soon after a video was posted. I've really been looking forward to your content throughout these depressing past few weeks so it was a very welcome sight.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoy!

@Cooltiger28 2 жыл бұрын

Happy Belated Birthday Dave! Love the new shirt. I have to say that @TheSkatingLesson is doing the best job on the plant on this. I have to say you both are doing the best job. Keep up the good work.

@TheReneex 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Dave and Jonathon. I am so sadden at what ensued this past Olympic and the scandal is only escalating even further by the recent Russian invasion of Ukraine. The field of ladies figure skating will continue to have a major setback because of what ensued under Eteri Tuberidze's questionable training methods. I applaud both of you for keeping fans informed on the never ending saga of figure skating.

@gigiiv 2 жыл бұрын

On Korea, they have a culture of overworking celebrities until they break them. I've heard a singer talking about how they performed at 8 different events in 8 different locations in one day. Performing in the morning, going to the hospital for an IV and then performing again in the evening is a thing. Leaving work at 5pm is historically frown upon because it meant you weren't working hard enough - you should work overtime as much as possible even though you aren't composted for it (younger people are pushing to change this). It does not surprise me in least that they are pushing their athletes like they are.

@relfungen2050 2 жыл бұрын

Lol all these kpop fans commenting things and compare it to figure skating like they know the culture like the back of their hand when they never been to Korea and only see korean netizen comments from cherry pick translation sites. While it s true that overwork is a big thing in Korea but it is also a big thing in every East Asian Countries, that is why all these countries able to arise from poverty-stricken quickly. With covid situation, I assure you that all artist are lacking venues to perform. Besides, the 8 different 8 locations etc are exageration and only an old news for groups like T-ara at their peak in the early 2010, the most overwork idol group in the history of Kpop bcs they had crazy and shitty may be even mafiesque boss who is infamous for being a horrible person in Korea. No artists work like that anymore, no artist ever overwork as T-ara, not even Twice or SNSD, not current generation nor previous, bcs T-ara situation wasnt normal and I believe it wasnt even allowed with the current labor law. The other reason t-ara work like that besides their infamous shitty ass company was bcs idols only has a very short live career spans (+- 7 years) hence they overwork in the early career bcs that is perhaps their only chance to gain money. For figure skating, atleast for this competition, it is not a mandatory competition. Korea only has 2 mandatory competitions for the skaters. One called The National Competition, the other the Ranking Competition. That is it. This competition though, It is like National Winter Sport Festival, not only for figure skating but for a lot of other sports held simultaneously like mini Olympic. Japan also has it, it might even originated from Japan occupation of Korea, Kaori Sakamoto herself was seen competing in japan version of this competition last year. For Korean skaters, this competition is used for them to get school credit. This is why those who were in High School Rarely skip it while those in University are able to skip it. The end.

@winterfallsatyourservice 2 жыл бұрын

yes same goes for the athletes as well. in korea its like that sadly. poor girls mostly because they are set up to high standards to do axels and quads now

@gigiiv 2 жыл бұрын

@@relfungen2050 I'm not a kpop fan. The singer I am talking about is trot singer Hong Jinyoung. Again, not a kpop idol. But if making assumptions makes you feel better, go ahead. I hope you have a delightful day full of reasonable expectations, as these skaters deserve.

@relfungen2050 2 жыл бұрын

@@gigiiv can you give a link to Hong jiyoung articles then ? I search for it in naver but I cant find it. HJY is a big star in Trot and has been for the past decade. It s not her who work for the company, it is her company who work for her. There is NO WAY her company would allocated her to work that she didnt agree to do. She isnt an idol, she has POWER to refuse. An idol vs a Singer/actor has different hearachy in the industry. The idols were handled by a company just like your regular teen heartthrob in the US/UK like 1D/5th harmony, but a Singer/actor/artist can have a say in their career path in Korea. Heck even if you are an idol but you got seniority or popularity, You would still have the power to say NO. Look at Taeyeon or Irene. Irene just has her face but her power in the industry cant be denied that she can even bully a renowned stylist easily. And sorry i dont believe that someone would stan a trot singer of another country with no reason or no dive in the popular acts of that country esp when that person own country trot industry is probably dying. Of course for skater, we do need compassion and korean fans itself were the ones who loudly complaining and critisizing KSU, but some foreign fans weirdly really like to assume and only made it worse even spread misinformation when You know nothing and dont even bother to look for information. The information of the competition is everywhere on social media even the english speaking ones, so you have no excuse to exaggerate facts. On this case YOU ARE MISTAKEN. This competition is decided by the Skater Not the fed and quite frankly after seeing other skaters from other country who got the hate during, leading, post Olympic, I would argued that KSU method of having 2 comps were the most fair. Their decision to send the skaters to 4cc is also correct. Haein can bag a medal after disastrous early season, Jun and Yelim gain more confidence leading to the Oly after their medals, while Sihyeong desperately need international experience. The only missed was You Young, but even on the interviews before or after the Olympics you'd see that Young herself was the one who was afraid of not competing and afraid of being complacent. Still, this was a mistake of KSU for sending an injured Young, when they easily have other not less talented skaters ready to replace Young at 4cc, but what can KSU do when Young herself was the one who didnt want to back off from 4CC. They emphasis a lot of being "fair" so pulling Young out when she didnt want to, wasnt being fair for Young who won the qualification competitions fairly.

@gigiiv 2 жыл бұрын

@@relfungen2050 I have seen her talking about it on a couple different variety shows (probably Happy Together and I believe on Unnies- maybe Radio Star too? Wouldn't be surprised if it was mentioned on Sketchbook, assumeing she's been on- I don't watch that one.)

@NormaLilia24 2 жыл бұрын

You have no idea how amazing it feels to see these videos on Sunday 🙌😍

@maria375s 2 жыл бұрын

So happy to watch you two gentlemen!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

❤️❤️

@hellsbellsmichelle 2 жыл бұрын

Happy Belated Birthday Dave! Hope you had a fab day! How amazing that your dad and his brother share a birthday. My sister and I share a birthday too - but there's 20 years between us, I had already left home before she was born! This year is special birthdays for us both - I'll be 50 and she'll be 30. And we both share our birthday with the fabulous Lewis Gibson! Love your sweater Dave! And Jonathan, yours looks like the one I've just finished for my husband - a very dark blue merino simple sweater.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

@dannyhayes4474 2 жыл бұрын

My brother and I share a birthday (two years apart) and he was born at 10mins to midnight as well 😂 good to know that someone else has this phenomena in their family

@eileendover3938 2 жыл бұрын

Ahhh a ‘72 model. What a good vintage.

@alexandralux759 2 жыл бұрын

When I tell you I screamed when you uploaded today. I’m so excited thank you for the amazing content 🥰🥰

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoyed it!

@Glitteringmoonstone2022 2 жыл бұрын

You've pretty much summed up how I feel figure skating and what a kind of sport it has become especially for the ladies. I honestly find the most excitement out of ice dance more then any other discipline. I stessed to my mom who doesn't realize the implications of the on going conflict in Ukraine about what that means for world championship. Thank you Dave for putting these videos together and happy belated birthday!!

@kimmietooshoes 2 жыл бұрын

Toddlers and Tiaras 😂 Yes Jonathan! Perfect comparison.

@iamsoverybored878 2 жыл бұрын

Shock that you guys didn't take this week off. I saw new performances on KZfaq from Russian ladies but I don't feel like watching it after they invaded Ukraine.

@kalpanapatel5765 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think I could watch Russian juniors skating, thank you doing it for us. The world is losing interest in women’s skating. What do you think about figure skating breaking off into its own federation? It should be run by current and former athletes.

@m.h.6499 2 жыл бұрын

I agree. The more we learn about Russian children jumping quads using their backs and injuring themselves…. We hear more about the training methods and the emotional and physical pressures on these children. I don’t want to watch.

@mysticalmargaret6105 2 жыл бұрын

They tried to break away years ago, led by athletes like 1984 Olympic champion Scott Hamilton. I don't remember the particulars, I'll have to look it up, but I think that they named themselves the World Figure Skating Union, or something along those lines. Unfortunately, they failed. Iirc, organizations like the IOC?? refused to recognize them. I hope in future they succeed.

@LiriaAndreina 2 жыл бұрын

I really felt it when you talked about the nationality of athletes and how some people really care about that. There'ss no top mexican skater and there has never been. Still, this is my favorite sport ever and I support anyone whose performance speaks to me. Nationalism NEVER leads to anything good, even with something so seemingly small as competitive sports. Thanks for another great video!

@AP-vo2mp 2 жыл бұрын

I think because ice skating is an art form, people who judge probably are the same people who say "Art" and ignore "art".

@RED-cy7ig 2 жыл бұрын

Hard work and artistry aren't appreciated anymore. It now depends how strong your federation is.

@devi_- 2 жыл бұрын

The doping is one thing but why have the judges from every country gone along with it so much? One set of rules for one and a different set of rules for the other is literally how the sport is judged. The sickness of corruption is endemic.

@dkeinow 2 жыл бұрын

I have been actively avoiding anything about Ukraine and Russia and the US for the sake of my mental health. But I can listen to this in the context of skating. Thanks Dave and Jonathan. Dave, your as the blade turns qas great.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

🙏

@jayjaybee 2 жыл бұрын

I feel exactly the same way y'll do about the personalities in the '90s. I miss that about skaters today--a lot of them look and feel so cookie-cutter. And it's funny the ages were brought up--recently I was thinking in relation to how toxic the fandom is on social media and how immature I find it--then it clicked--it's because it's now a sport dominated by teens! Teens like you said, skating to songs from Chicago--which I mentally contrast that with Tara skating to Little Women or Anastasia. I've come to the unhappy realization that this isn't at all the sport I fell in love with 30 years ago. And I also miss '90s Olympic athletes. Also: Happy Belated Birthday!

@TraCarol83 2 жыл бұрын

I was never a Tara fan, but when I look back at her 98 performances I can’t help but feel they are INFINITELY superior artistically to a lot of these cookie-cutter performances we see now.

@jayjaybee 2 жыл бұрын

@@TraCarol83 I agree. I keep asking myself if it's just nostalgia blindness, but I watched Michelle's Tosca from Nationals and wished I hadn't because most of today's skaters lack that passion.

@laurielynne2006 2 жыл бұрын

@@jayjaybee nostalgia blindness is a good way to put it. I think this clouds my judgement a lot

@elizabethmccready 2 жыл бұрын

@@TraCarol83 I watched her watch her Olympic gold skate with Johnny Weir a week or two ago, and I couldn’t help but think that figure skating was just better back then. The jumps were beautiful but the artistry matched it. And those young women were able to compete at multiple Olympics. The Russian domination made it not fun to watch anymore. It’s supposed to be women but it’s so many young girls being abused on an international stage.

@eileendover3938 2 жыл бұрын

I loved Tara’s Little Women.

@matthewhines9787 2 жыл бұрын

Lais Souza, Brazilian Olympic gymnast(Pan Am and World Cup final medalist), actually took up aerial skiing and qualified to the Sochi Olympics. She unfortunately didn't compete due to a serious injury sustained in training.

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

Wow! You are spoiling us. Thank you 😊

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure 😊

@Becca3232 2 жыл бұрын

I seriously worry that there will be no real change in the sport until one of these poor girls drops dead on the ice. They all deserve so much better

@snovy121 2 жыл бұрын

It would probably be hidden, just like Mukhina's situation. Sad that very little has changed since 1979.

@iosebdzamukashvili5360 2 жыл бұрын

Na Ukraine = in a Ukrainian Region (part of Russian empire) - this is a Russian imperialist way of saying in Ukraine. V Ukrane = in the county of Ukraine use this one plz 🙏

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@jeanluccharbonnel4226 2 жыл бұрын

in these darkest times I thank you guys to keep going we do need steadiness ... and we love you !!!

@ColonelGreen 2 жыл бұрын

I keep hoping to get an update on poor Anastasiia Shabotova, who was supposedly in Kyiv on last report.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

🙏

@freedomlife3623 2 жыл бұрын

Jonathan, we can all choose how & who support. I have stopped watching any Russian skaters till they address the state sponsored doping issue or made address the dosing issue.

@Fatima502 2 жыл бұрын

Regarding poor connection with music, I had the same feeling with Mishina / Galliamov last year. They were skating to Bohemian Rhapsody. If you are a pairs skater and you have Freddie Mercury singing “and now I’ve gone and thrown it all away,” you should match it with some sort of throw. Their skating was super, but the moment passed. By the way, Torvill & Dean also made an album. I'm trying to get one.

@lindaallison5338 2 жыл бұрын

My morning commute just got better!

@mobimom3286 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this, love you guys....

@mix4715 2 жыл бұрын

No.. the Winter Sport Festival Competition in Korea isnt organized by KSU nor it is qualification for Worlds, it s for school credit thingy, that is why it was divided according to their age and school level. You know as one of the reason that Eunsoo and Jun was admitted to Korea University (like one of the very best Uni in Korea with highly competitive admission process and entrance test) when they both probably barely gone to school in High school. That was the competition for. That is why Eunsoo and Jun werent there bcs they already got in while someone like Young, Haein, Seoyeong who are still in High School really need the competition. Honestly Yelim who is a freshman at Dankook Uni probably could have pull out or may be she needs the prize money (who knows) but even Dabin Choi (7th at Pyeongchang Oly) was able to not compete in this event previously after she was admitted to Uni and now Hanul Kim ( 13th at Pyeongchang) who is currently an Uni student didnt compete in this event either, so this comp isnt like Nats nor the Ranking Comp, both of which all Korean skaters need to attend for funding purpose and qualificafion for World/4cc/oly. This comp is a comp that skater choose to do, not a must event from the fed.

@mix4715 2 жыл бұрын

Besides, after the Illia-Jason-Vincent, Mana kawabe -Mai Miahara, Zhu Yi - Hongyi, Karen - Mariah, Team Koko-Kanadai situation, i grew to like the Ranking & Nats combination that Korea have. The events were atleast both filmed and only 2 qualifications unlike China's 5 and unfilmed situation, or the US/Japan only 1 qualification that made it easier for grumbling from fans and others that could stress the skaters before their biggest event ala Zhu Yi, Mana, Karen etc. Besides, the current Korean skaters arent like Yuna with strong mentality so more competition actually seems to work well for them, for ex the 4cc before the OLY. I think, the 4CC they gone to seem to help the Korean skaters mindset going into the OLy.

@winterfallsatyourservice 2 жыл бұрын

well arent they olympians now, isnt that enough actually more than enough for school credit? i mean olympians!! poorskaters/athletes

@mix4715 2 жыл бұрын

@@winterfallsatyourservice i m not an expert on this so dont quote me, but in a lot of Asian countries, fair play is very important. What I mean is that no matter how smart you are, you still need to do the due process of admission test etc if you want to join some prestigious Uni. For example, if you won a Highly Recognizable competition in high school like International Physics Olympiad and want to major in Physics then it is a free pass, but if you want to major in social studies you probably still need to do and pass the entrance examination test. May be this is what happen to the Korean athletes as well since they didnt won any medals in the Oly, they need to do the due to process with the participant in the Oly as an additional value of their resume. So it s not like their Olympian status isnt usable. After all athletes themselves already have an easier admission channel to join an Uni. Like they dont have to score as high as regular students in the entrance examination test which to regular student already seem very unfair. I also need to remind you the significant of University name is more important toward future employment in Asia than in the West. If athletes spend 10 hrs to train, i dont think those who aim to get into prestigious Uni would spend less time in their after school studies session than athlete training time, so to them athete already have it easier.

@winterfallsatyourservice 2 жыл бұрын

@@mix4715 yeah thanks for the insight, school systems in korea are specially very difficult by the way so yeah olympians or not i guess competition is greater over there obv

@JessieBanana 2 жыл бұрын

I agree Dave, Oksana was my favorite when I was little. I was so sad when my mom explained to me what happened to her and it never occurred to me that I shouldn't root for her because she wasn't American. I am not even sure I knew what nationalism really was in that sense. Olympic cycles are kind of big (too long term) for a child.

@Patrick-vj1qu 2 жыл бұрын

Happy belated birthday Dave!

@tarafinger8982 2 жыл бұрын

I LOVE that you discuss how in the 90’s there wasn’t such Nationalism in figure skating! People don’t remember the tv special with Brian and Katarina or the special with Kristi and Kurt. People who don’t follow skating thought it was so weird that I wanted Sui and Han to win. Not only because they weren’t American, but specifically because they are Chinese. But I’ve been involved in skating since I was 6 and now I’m 40. So my investment in the sport is simply based on who moves me, not the flag they represent. On the topic of enjoying what is now Toddlers and Tiaras figure skating. Mens, dance, and pairs are exciting because the top 4 can shift significantly. A bad free program from a medal favorite and a stellar program from someone not expected to medal, can shift the podium. That’s how sports are supposed to be. When I was watching pairs, there were moments I wasn’t sure. It was exciting! I was standing in my living room like my husband watching a football game by the end of Sui and Han. I don’t want to know the top 3 skaters going into it because I can add. I want to watch because I don’t have to add. I want to be surprised. I want moments like Yuma Kagiyama almost hitting his dad in the face as he threw out his arms when his short program score came out. The reason so many people love Kaori this past Olympics is not only is she amazing, but THAT was joy! I’d like some real joy back in ladies figure skating.

@MD-pi8gs 2 жыл бұрын

You’re my age, so maybe you remember when Sergei Grinkov died and how much coverage it got in the US (if you are from the US). It was everywhere and I think they even did a tribute skate show on tv. I dont see that happening now. If that happened today, it would be a 30 sec report on the morning news before they moved on to weather.

@tarafinger8982 2 жыл бұрын

YES! I remember just a shared heartbreak. I also remember the fact that the other athletes skating in that tour were devastated. There was no separation based on country of origin. Skating was a community and it’s heart was broken.

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 2 жыл бұрын

@@MD-pi8gs yes but that’s just how TV was back then. Remember the fluff pieces? All the top skaters got like 2-3 minute long fluff pieces. There was a lot more TV coverage back then. And also, all the tributes were mainly organised by Katias management team and the stars on ice team. Of course they would have reported on it without anyone saying, but Katia did say in In interview that most of the interviews and tributes after his death were organised by her management team.

@MD-pi8gs 2 жыл бұрын

@@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 you’re right about the fluff pieces. Like I remember how they did a fluff piece on Rohene Ward at Nationals about how his mom couldn’t be there because they couldn’t afford the flight tickets, then they flew her out without his knowledge and here he had a terrible FS and it was heartbreaking that his mom had to comfort him after that. Gawd they LOVED sappy stories on tv back then lol.

@MD-pi8gs 2 жыл бұрын

@@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 okay I had to look it up and that Rohene piece was in 2006 but still, they did that kind of stuff when there was more coverage

@taefiedcontents9467 2 жыл бұрын

Happy belated Dave mines was last Sunday !!! Thanks for another great episode

@sleuththewild 2 жыл бұрын

FYI L-Carnitine figured into Alberto Salazar's ban from track and field, because it was being injected. This form is banned. I suppose it's an open question whether L-Carnitine is being administered in a banned format in the Olympic skating case. So, let's not diminish the possible implications of the L-Carnitine positive.

@lina_xu 2 жыл бұрын

How do you determine whether it was injected or per oral?

@sleuththewild 2 жыл бұрын

@@lina_xu I'm not sure.

@JessieBanana 2 жыл бұрын

Pairs was also my favorite and I was really into the Men's competition, especially when it was a bit more extra. Like I'll never forget all of Brian Joubert's costumes, I was a fan of Brian Boitano, and Stephane Lambiel is my favorite skater of all time. Once I was an adult and more attuned to nuance, as well the sport progressing, I got into Ice Dance, and Meryl/Charlie and Tessa/Scott were on the scene to dazzle. The top ladies were always good, but it wasn't my favorite discipline.

@xiangnibian8473 2 жыл бұрын

Happy Birthday, Dave!

@colleenshaughnessy7081 2 жыл бұрын

Happy belated birthday, Dave!!🎂

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

❤️🙏

@dkeinow 2 жыл бұрын

1:17:32 We could not find any skating coverage except for the Olympics. Thanks for bringing this up

@siobhanrastrick5881 2 жыл бұрын

I always watch skating but can’t bring myself to watch Russian Cup Final after the Olympics and current events in Ukraine. It has all just taken a dark turn. Totally agree with all you said.

@joannm.1756 2 жыл бұрын

The ski ballet!! Forgot about that event.

@atomic2968 2 жыл бұрын

Is there anywhere to watch those junior skates? I interested in these music choices you’re taking about

@Q_from_Star_Trek 2 жыл бұрын

Happy Belated Birthday, Dave!!!🎂🍷💐♋pisces here, too🍀

@afibebli2848 2 жыл бұрын

The men's quad goes way back. It didn't happen overnight. Kurt Browning, Elvis Stojko, Ilya Kulik etc. etc. etc.

@mistyblades5702 2 жыл бұрын

Happy Belated Birthday to the fabulous Dave Lease!

@trisanatandler 2 жыл бұрын

I cannot hear anything and it's not my smartphone. Yes it works now and I love that you uploaded another vid ❤️❤️.

@tracienieto2722 2 жыл бұрын

Tech difficulties im thinking

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Try to reload

@trisanatandler 2 жыл бұрын

@@tracienieto2722 Now it works yeah 🎉🎉🎉. I cannot wait 🤗🤗

@trylogic4084 2 жыл бұрын

Speaking of sterile Olympics, I was really excited that the next Winter Olympics will be in Milano-Cortina, Italy, but it means they will be spreading the games out in two locations that are 300 km apart. First, Cortina is about 400 km away from Milan. Even worse, in Alpine skiing, one sport, the men and women will be about a 5-hour drive apart. The women in Cortina and the men in Bormio.

@MrChaseBlue 2 жыл бұрын

Happy Belated Birthday Dave!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@alexisc769 2 жыл бұрын

Happy birthday!

@113musikpolizei6 2 жыл бұрын

At least in Europe (+UK) FULL Olympic replays are now officially available on KZfaq! And one of the first performances they posted in a separate vid is Jason's short ;-)

@NormaLilia24 2 жыл бұрын

Happy belated bday Dave! 🎂🥳

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@TheMilopilo 2 жыл бұрын

I have watched ladies skating less and less since the rise of Eteri’s stable. The beauty is gone. I don’t want to see wretched waifs. It reminds me of the movieThe Red Shoes.

@matthewhines9787 2 жыл бұрын

I think it's interesting that teenaged Shaun White, in Torino, had this attitude of nonconformity and being the alternative, X-Games, skater guy. He looked like he listened to a lot of Silverchair, Foo Fighters, Gorillaz...and somehow Orgy; and said things like: "I'm just here for the bud, the booze, and the babes." or whatever. Now, he's basically an IOC spokesman. He's so enamored and proud of the Olympics, and the spirit of the games. He's doing commercials where he's shedding tears over his gold medal in 2018. I think it's great.

@jessicamay952 2 жыл бұрын

Viktoria Vasilieva competed in the Seniors pairs at the Russian Cup Final. She used to do singles but got squeezed out with the Eteri domination. Her jumps are still big and beautiful and I have no idea what the commentators were saying in Russian but I am pretty sure they couldn't get over her jumps. You know something is wrong she's the one who didn't have a future in singles. I hope she does in pairs!

@ddjr6673 2 жыл бұрын

Belated Happy Birthday Dave. And also Happy Birthday to your dad and your brother. Great analysis yet again, thank you. I agree with Jonathan in that I have found "women's" singles skating an increasingly difficult and uncomfortable watch. I have found remnants of the sport I love in there (Wakaba, Mariah, Loena, Kaori, Young etc.) which gives me some hope. I too, can't help feeling it has become more divorced from the other three disciplines. More importantly, prayers for all those caught up in conflict. This is a very worrying time. One of the interesting things about our sport is the development of cross-nationality representation, especially since 1990s and this century. (Eg. Marina Anissina representing France, Aljona Savchenko representing Germany, Olivia Smart, Spain, Keegan Messing, Canada, Vanessa James, British National Singles champion, represented France, now Canada the list goes on of course). I can only see this as a positive in terms of internationalism, and fostering relations between countries at a competitor level, even if not at management level. One of the few positives right now though.

@shomaunofan8486 2 жыл бұрын

Happy belated birthday, Dave! And happy birthday to your dad :)

@matthewhines9787 2 жыл бұрын

Because he was Olympic champ win I fell in love with skating, I am really scared for Viktor, and i have a weird feeling of responsibility to round up a posse superfans to go save him.

@mikiohirata9627 2 жыл бұрын

Who's Victor ?

@matthewhines9787 2 жыл бұрын

@@mikiohirata9627 Viktor Petrenko. 1992 Olympic Champ He is stuck in Kiev in a bomb shelter.

@m.h.6499 2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewhines9787 I just looked him up last night and was so relieved when wiki said he lives in the United States now. I didn’t know he was back in Kyiv. I saw that a Ukrainian professional tennis player signed up to fight. It is incomprehensible. 😢 Viktor is in his 50s, isn’t he? People around the world are thinking about innocent people suffering. ❤️💔❤️

@iamsoverybored878 2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewhines9787 I thought he has been in the US since the 90s. I haven't listen to it let.

@freedomlife3623 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe he should sign up to defend Kiev as he is still strong physically, isn’t he?

@mysticalmargaret6105 2 жыл бұрын

Happy belated Birthday Dave! 🎈🎂🎉🎊🎉🎊✨🎇✨🎉🎊🎈 I thoroughly enjoyed this video! I was delighted when it popped up, what a treat! As to the unfortunate subject of doping - I can't help but think of Alysa Liu. With all of her technical flaws (the fault, imo, of her first coach Laura Lipetsky), it is still amazing to me that, when she was tiny,, she was able to pull off (yes, often UR but still pretty darn close) 3A's and 4L's against Russian skaters like Valieva, who we now know was doped. I don't need official confirmation to know for sure that Kamila, and her teammates, have had an unfair advantage all along. For myself, I will always consider Alysa the true 2019 Junior GPF and 2020 World Junior champion. To my mind, she was 6th, perhaps 4th, at the Olympics, if one deducts Valieva's scores, and her teammates. I am very cynical with Anna and Sasha's placements, considering who their coach is, and no one is going to persuade me otherwise.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@julienixon2686 2 жыл бұрын

Great content as ever guys. I loved Lilliehammer as it felt we were all in a resort with this party going on. And great skating of course. I am turning into a Lindsey T fan. I really like her short. It’s “Bond” but still age appropriate. If Worlds is cancelled I think that’s the right call. Happy belated birthday Dave! If you get a chance catch “Freeze” from the BBC. Nina Povey and Smart and Hattick featured.

@markushoward7618 2 жыл бұрын

Canada air space closed to Russian carriers. Significant travel to North America will be halted.

@calisteve2023 2 жыл бұрын

Yuki responded in a tweet that Nathan was never going to Russia Cup.

@lild2515 2 жыл бұрын

You were spot on regarding biological passports. Aside from judging rewarding hideous russian skating, their repeated cheating poisoned the sport. Look at people whose bodies were ruined by Russian cheating - Bradie Tennell and Rika Kihira. How could Alina or Evgenia who always cheated their jumps and flailed about score above clean and talented skaters? Same with the ones now.

@celinevalencia9908 2 жыл бұрын

The Korean Winter Sports Festival is a separate competition from the usual KSU ones. From what I read, skaters compete there to build their college portfolios. I still don't understand why the Olympians had to do it when they have their Olympic appearance to compensate for their absence. It's bullocks to be honest. At least, Jun is booked and busy with SK media. I wished more people were able to watch his MMTG interview because it's how I wished North American media would interact with their athletes. It's currently regionblocked due to the channel using Olympic footage instead of ISU ones.

@elizabethw.9042 2 жыл бұрын

Dave and Jonathan are my people.

@ritaduncan6313 2 жыл бұрын

I am surprised at just how pleased I would be for a World Championship without Russian skaters. Not only would I be happy to pass on Eteri's skaters, but the thought of the other baggage they bring to skating such as: all the overscoring, backroom deals, and flat out cheating. And that's before I think about the doping that according to one of their own (Zhulin) is systemic in Russian skaters. With all that: I am just DONE with Russian skaters, for now. I would love to see a competition, honestly judged. I would cheer for scores that show appreciation for the Japanese extraordinary skating skills, women that look like women instead of skinny girls. I could actually cheer for Ice Dancers that bother with choreography. Russia needs a timeout. I'm surprised I feel this way because some of my all time favorite skaters are from Russia: Elena/Anton, Katia /Sergei, and Yagudin. Loved many more as well. But I am no longer interested with this new batch.

@fionan7311 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with some of this (I would love to see a completely fair unbiased competition) however the ISU is so clueless and corrupt I could imagine them cancelling worlds if Russia (FSR) cannot compete! They would have a headache dropping all their spots down to 1 next season for starters

@cquinnth 2 жыл бұрын

The stuffed animals are very disturbing, definitely worth hearing your take on this! You are quite a researcher and analyst!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 жыл бұрын

🙏🙏

@lc4822 2 жыл бұрын

@@TheSkatingLesson The worst people in this world have always had a fascination with little girls in adult roles.

@m.h.6499 2 жыл бұрын

I have always found the girls and the stuffed animals disturbing. Not when Yuzuru collects Pooh Bears to give to local children’s hospitals snd charities. You know he’s being a grown man being cute and fun, and for charity. He gives them away to children. But when these figure skating ladies are really girls, and the grown up coaches are waiting for them holding their stuffed toys…. Each girl gets a toy after her skate, while putting on jackets. The girls holding and playing with the stuffed toys makes it all seem so kid-friendly when you know it isn’t.

@m.h.6499 2 жыл бұрын

@Nathaniel Walker Thanks for reply. I wondered if Yuzu had started it with the Pooh Bear tissue box. I seem to remember the original was a gift. Once he showed he liked it, his fans went a little crazy to express their affection. I like Yuzu all the more for his donating the bears to children’s charities and hospitals. It’s all for fun and happiness, it sounds like. He has never struck me as child-like with his stuffed toys. (The girls seem more lonely to me, but that’s a different point).

@julesc3089 2 жыл бұрын

Can you turn on close caption?

@CaraMarie13 2 жыл бұрын

I saw the piece from two years ago on Alena Kanysheva's retirement and about the girl who was joking about doping in Sambo70 and how the girl who made the comment would be disciplined for the "thoughtless joke"... Am like, boyyyy, what did that girl know?

@suetavakoli 2 жыл бұрын

Will they stop if ISU just gives them the team gold?!😩😩😩 that's how ridiculous it looks!

@celestebourdouane6443 2 жыл бұрын

Happy belated birthday!

@matthewhines9787 2 жыл бұрын

I remember the German luger was Georg Hackl. It stuck with me because his nickname was the "flying white sausage". Always made me laugh as a kid. I don't remember the Italian...I think maybe it was a non-Italian sounding name because I remember lumping him and Isolde Kostner together in my head as Italians whose names didn't sound Italian at all.

@eppiemayut 2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you on ladies vs children!

@user-jy8zb2wc8l 2 жыл бұрын

There had been a lot of reactions focused on financial support for the quarantine (rightly so) but I am also concerned about the vagueness for which they are saying they are paying for "organizing ISU members" for "security" costs? Please ISU, do disclose what nationality and the amount. Why on earth are skating feds around the world not boycotting ISU at this point? ISU communications increasingly coming across as so tone deaf it is turning towards certain nationalist propaganda - it's like Lakernik and others think that they can apply the same comms strategy and control of information they use to their people to everyone else in the world.

@animallovercyclist 2 жыл бұрын

Where can I see the replays of the Junior Russian Cup? On what platform did you watch it? I don't want to support Russia during their unprovoked war on the Ukraine, but I'd really love to watch that comp. At least, the highlights or the top finishers. Thank you.

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 2 жыл бұрын

I think the only way you can is on Chanel 1 the Russian Chanel which is on KZfaq. Unless other Chanel’s upload it to their account

@Sisterfifi 2 жыл бұрын

Dave you were talking about Russians access to France for Worlds. One of the English papers is reporting that the EU has shutdown Russian access to Bloc nations including private jets. The question remains though about Russian skaters that are currently outside of Russia if they can compete. I suppose that one’s in the hand of the ISU.

@rachelheller1396 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think that the Russian team will be able to compete to the World Championships in March because of what's happening in Russia. Also, I don't think that Nathan Chen will go to Worlds and Jason will go to Worlds, if Worlds is even held in March. Also, I think that Jason will compete competitively for one more season. What do you guys think ?

@shandrastout4496 2 жыл бұрын

It’s not just the Olympics that are gone from Peacock. If you - for some reason - wanted to watch Skate America, that’s gone too.

@Ardit-kq4bt 2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know if Russia will be allowed to compete at Worlds? IMO they should ban Russia this year from Worlds championships...

@coletterobichaud3465 2 жыл бұрын

Nope. No flights from Russia to the EU.

@Sonia94537 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, sure, they can let them travel by bus ideally via Ukraine👍

@biggestgymfan7230 2 жыл бұрын

Um it sounds like all flights are going to be blocked so most likely not

@maple8859 2 жыл бұрын

They could fly to Georgia and then to France, but the amount of booing they’d get from the French would be difficult to bear.

@Ardit-kq4bt 2 жыл бұрын

@@maple8859 exactly, I don’t think it’s a matter of how they would get to France but how would have the courage to demonstrate the Russian flag

@colleenshaughnessy7081 2 жыл бұрын

The Russian young ladies are completely interchangeable. Right down to the hair and the stuffed animal (please do that video on the stuffed animals). Without the graphics, I can't tell who's who.

@iamsoverybored878 2 жыл бұрын

People rag on Trusova for her lack of artistry but she atleast stands out.

@amethyst5512 2 жыл бұрын

@@iamsoverybored878 that’s not a great reason to stand out.

@shelflife5213 2 жыл бұрын

I don't speak Russian but I do speak Polish and I believe this to be a similar issue with 'w Ukrainie' i 'na Ukrainie'. 'W Ukrainie' acknowledges the country status, 'w' means 'in', a preposition that links with countries, cities etc. 'Na' literally means 'on' and traditionally links with regions or landmasses, kind of like using the determiner in English (eg. 'My sister lives in the South'- the South is just a region, not a separate country). Unfortunately, saying 'na' with former USSR countries is automatic practice, as back in the day they would be considered regions of the USSR, not independent countries, and now traces of that are preserved in the language. Most people have been saying 'na Ukrainie' not as a political statement, but just because 'that's the way it is', only a very linguistically aware minority would opt for 'w Ukrainie' (at the risk of being called fussy). I believe this is going to change now.

@larhumba4233 2 жыл бұрын

98 Winter Olympics was Eddie the Eagle, the Ski Jumper, and who played Eddie in the film biography Taron Egerton who also played Elton in Rocketman! BTW I boycotted Russian Cup, I wached and enjoyed Challenge Cup. Though the music played in the arena and on livestream was shocking with RAP and F words galore during Advanced Novice Girls!

@anthonydolio8118 2 жыл бұрын

Jonathan!!! Toddlers and Tiaras!!! OMG! Ahhhhhhhh!

@miriam3848 2 жыл бұрын

Now, about Žulin's commentary - the one where he said that every coach was afraid it'd be their athlete that might be caught doping. If you read the whole interview carefully, you see that he tries to backpedal and play it off as if there was an international conspiracy to take down Russian skaters and that the presence of banned substances was faked. So, as if he meant 'every coach was afraid it'd be their athlete, who would be framed'. In edited versions of that interview the order of his comments and answers were actually changed, so that it looks as if they were talking about the conspiracy first, and the fear after that.

@coletterobichaud3465 2 жыл бұрын

Zhulin seems very trashy.