This RARE V8 Economy Car DESTROYED Everyone - The Motion Vega

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Күн бұрын

In this Rare Cars documentary, we are going over the story of the crazy INSANE V8-powered Motion Super Vegas. Motion was a shop that back in the 60s/70s built some of the raddest dealer-built street machines around - and their Vega was the king of them all.
Available with a 350 small block and up to a 454 big block in them - these Vega cars that got the Motion performance treatment were seriously fast. Nothing else even came close and the sad part is most people do not even know they exist.
Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:03 The Background
4:45 Powerplant
5:30 Crazy Engine Options
9:05 Sales & Impact
*Note, we are not historians. If you see an error in our research then please mention it in the comments!
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Sources:
-www.motortrend.com/features/1...
-www.motortrend.com/features/1...
-www.yenko.net/forum/showthrea...
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@BriBeast8566
@BriBeast8566 Ай бұрын
I still own a 1974 Vega GT with a 68 L79 327 (now 331 cu in) and a T5 5-speed
@SophiaAphrodite
@SophiaAphrodite Ай бұрын
pictures or you made it up.
@Redmist370Z
@Redmist370Z Ай бұрын
That T5 is living on borrowed time!
@martinthompson2425
@martinthompson2425 Ай бұрын
This classic engine swap was the predecessor to the V8 S10! The kinds of combinations that should never be, but sure are cool! My bucket list project is an LS in a first generation S10. I think I’ve missed the boat on reasonable availability of the Vega.😢
@BriBeast8566
@BriBeast8566 Ай бұрын
@SophiaAphrodite i cant post them here
@BriBeast8566
@BriBeast8566 Ай бұрын
@martinthompson2425 we have done a few but now they swapping LS engines these days
@vhp454
@vhp454 Ай бұрын
I have owned my 1971 Baldwin Motion Camaro for the past 42 years. Absolutely a beast, I have 2 nephews chewing a bit to get it.
@shacklifecustoms8430
@shacklifecustoms8430 Ай бұрын
Yea but I’m todays world and cars that little toy is nothing more then just that a toy it’s not fast
@ShaunHensley
@ShaunHensley Ай бұрын
@@shacklifecustoms8430Except his car doesn't have a big brother cut off switch
@bigl6322
@bigl6322 Ай бұрын
Disregarding the troll comments sir, you have the one Camaro that gives me wood. And I’m not a keyboard commenter, I actually race my 1968 firebird that I resto-modded, have owned since 95, and have been tracking in Portland since last year. It’s a visceral experience that you don’t get with your antilock brakes, traction control, stability control computerized cars running the chicanes one handed while eating a cheese sandwich. Fuck that, I want to feel my experience. First gen GM I gotta go firebird all the way… even the yenko Camaro doesn’t float my boat. But I saw a green 71 Baldwin motion in a magazine that had me drooling. I don’t know why someone would wanna compare the technology of 40 years ago (that defined the genre of muscle cars) with current tech, to try and say old skool cool sux…. I say, it’s an acquired taste, if you don’t like them, acquire some taste.
@bigl6322
@bigl6322 Ай бұрын
@@shacklifecustoms8430troll
@AtZero138
@AtZero138 Ай бұрын
​​@@bigl6322Absolutely... Even traffic is better in a Classic Car/Truck.. I will always love Pontiac... Grew up with them.. 62 Tempest, 71 Formula Firebird... When I told my uncle Chris (RIP) that I liked Darts and Valiants... I was 11/12 .. You like those!!??.. Really??!! You grew up with all of this!... and you would pick a Dart.. hahaha... Daily Driver 68 Dodge Dart with Slant6 to V8 swap.. Driver level Restored.. not a show Car... True everyday and everywhere... GM F Bodies.. Pontiac is Always better looking.. GM early to Mid 60s... Pontiac is beyond... Cheers from Orange County California 🇺🇸
@catfishsiegel30
@catfishsiegel30 Ай бұрын
Put a 409 chev in a Vega in 83 still have it. It ran 10.02 at Gainesville regularly.😊
@catfishsiegel30
@catfishsiegel30 Ай бұрын
@@stevieg2755 I live Duval county
@banacekishere3857
@banacekishere3857 Ай бұрын
Now.....that's an original approach for sure!!!
@patfromamboy
@patfromamboy Ай бұрын
I put a 427 in my 66 Chevelle in 1983 and I still have it too! It runs great and even outran a policeman. I also beat a V-8 Vega who was beating everyone.
@lynn4205
@lynn4205 Ай бұрын
Hmmmm must be a floridian
@deepbludude4697
@deepbludude4697 Ай бұрын
Did you run that thing down A1A in Cocoa Beach? I remember running a guy in like 87 in a Vega that was wicked fast I was on a 83 GS1100E
@macstark9853
@macstark9853 Ай бұрын
Back in 1980, my buddy put a 327/325 hp engine in a 1975 Vega wagon. rear end out of a V8 Monza and a Muncie 4 spd tranny. I believe it had 373 gears. No hood scoop or big tires. Looked totally stock. My dad at the time had a 1969 GTO with a 400 ram air IV 4spd car and this little Vega would be neck and neck with my dad's car at the drags and sometimes came out on top. Really pissed off the old man and my bud who built this car was 17 at the time.
@rickuyeda4818
@rickuyeda4818 Ай бұрын
1978, I was trolling Van Nuys Blvd for a street race. A V8 Vega wagon came by and I yelled RACE? He pulled in and it was a kid from Simi Valley. I pointed to my '65 Malibu SS which looked like an abandoned car and asked, "Wanna race that?". He agreed to a heads up race so we went to Woodley and Saticoy. As we lined up, the flagger waved us off and said there were cars pulling out of a side street. As those cars drove underneath a street light, it was LAPD. I slowly drove away when the LAPD pulled up and said, "Pull it over!". I thought, "Oh great! I'm gonna get a ticket for slicks". They inspected my car and gave me a ticket for stopping too close to a fire hydrant. After the ticket, I found the guy in the Vega Wagon and said, "I need this race to pay off this ticket". We went to Woodley and Nordhoff and got the race off. It wasn't even close.
@JohnSMichaels
@JohnSMichaels Ай бұрын
😢😢is
@kurtisstutzman7056
@kurtisstutzman7056 Ай бұрын
There was a guy in the 90s who came to Desoto Speedway(Bradenton Motorsports Park/Freedom Factory nowadays) who had a 72 Vega with Chevy big block with an 8.71 on top... It would ride the wheelie bars past the 330 and go mid-8s...!
@farnorthhomested844
@farnorthhomested844 Ай бұрын
@@rickuyeda4818 what is van nuys blvd like now? livin on the far side of the continent i always wanted to go see the cruise nights. watchin a recent yt video, alot of la is bad off.
@daledonnelly847
@daledonnelly847 Ай бұрын
@@rickuyeda4818 HaHa, I was there! I miss those days cruising on Wednesday nights and the street races on San Fernando road at the end of Balboa. That Vega wagon was silver I'll bet.
@alexanderraywood6649
@alexanderraywood6649 Ай бұрын
There was a guy down the street who had one when I was a kid. He use to rip down the road... wheels 3 feet in the freaking air. It had wheelie bars. Craziest thing I've ever seen.
@genesutton6383
@genesutton6383 Ай бұрын
Yes I've seen one do the same thing, they are wheelie Kings!
@frankheath2999
@frankheath2999 Ай бұрын
No it didnt
@joeblow1115
@joeblow1115 Ай бұрын
You didn't happen to live in Northridge California at that time did you ? There was a guy in the neighbor hood that lived on the corner of Chimeneas and Tribune streets that used to put V8's in Vegas. I remember a similar car he had. They were wild and loud.
@alexanderraywood6649
@alexanderraywood6649 Ай бұрын
@@joeblow1115 Norwalk Conn - RT 7, This guy, I think did the same thing. SO Loud, I turn around there goes the Vega (wheels up).My jaw was down. My bud "yea he does that every once in a while". LOL
@melbourne-heat.69-71
@melbourne-heat.69-71 Ай бұрын
From the 70's I probably drove and sold so many Motorhead cars because they were so cheap back then..The only two cars I decided to keep in the garage are the 1963 split window Corvettes-427-4-Speed..Plus a Custom Street Dune buggy with drag pipes-And my daily driver..Got to love Old School Cars-50's-60's-70's-👍🇺🇸👍
@darrelldeangelo4801
@darrelldeangelo4801 Ай бұрын
Vegas, Pintos, and Gremlins. Those kind of engine swaps were fun to do. It would be nice to go back in time, the 70's and Woodward Ave, summer nights in Detroit. Great video, thanks for the memories!
@tommytbone9778
@tommytbone9778 26 күн бұрын
I know this kid ,makes it sound like the east coast dealers were the only ones who swapped out customer specials, I mean I would think Ford Detroit of all places would get the first engineer sneaky bits, please... my uncle always showed me his Chevy engine parts from his Parma plant
@raybame5816
@raybame5816 Ай бұрын
Motion never failed to amaze and you're doing a good job at showing what was available back in the day when everyone wanted to be "King of the Connecting Hiway".
@ernestpaul2484
@ernestpaul2484 Ай бұрын
My friend had a 68' Sport Satellite with a Road Runner 383 and a 4spd, the 8 3/4 rear had 3.55's with a SureGrip limited slip. The car was pretty quick We were driving up Rt. 23 in Wayne, NJ back in the mid 70's doing about 60 or so when he says there was a Vega gaining on us. He laughed and said something about "showing this little Vega something" and he nailed the throttle. Well the "little Vega" went by us like we were standing still. The Motion paint scheme with the radiator hanging down by the front valance was all I needed to see. I explained real quick he just got smoked by a Motion Performance Vega.
@vk2aafhamradio
@vk2aafhamradio Ай бұрын
In the early 80s, I ran a 1969 340 W2 head Dart Swinger at Indpls Rainway (no typo) Park, high 11 sec car on street tyres. A failed oil pump windowed the block. It was replaced with a 1977 Vega with a Chev 302 roller motor with a tunnel ram & a pair of Holley 600CFM DP. Tube front chassis, subframes out to the back & 4 link. It was too heavy but still turned low 11s. Absolutely savage streetfighter.
@bunchofchevys3126
@bunchofchevys3126 Ай бұрын
And I thought they were only rumors. I love my red 72 GT Vega with a 385ci sbc with 2x4 tunnel ram. It was built by Terry Walters Racing and made 480 hp on the engine dyno at Terry Walters Racing Engines. Th350 trans with 12 rear end housing 373s. I've owned this car for 20 yrs and it a blast to drive
@tommurphy4307
@tommurphy4307 Ай бұрын
why the tall backside? are you planning on catching up to the starship enterprise?
@davelowets
@davelowets 9 сағат бұрын
Put a single 4 barrel on it with a single plane intake and it'll run better and make more power. 480h.p. with 385c.i. is not tunnel ram with dual 4 barrel territory.
@philmanson2991
@philmanson2991 Ай бұрын
I knew a guy who put a 400 in a a Vega. The original Vega engine used to warp and leaked oil like a sieve from the head gaskets.
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Ай бұрын
A 400 in a Vega had to MOVE
@philmanson2991
@philmanson2991 Ай бұрын
@@rarecars3336 He said is would burn rubber as long as he held the pedal down.
@brianwarner308
@brianwarner308 Ай бұрын
@@philmanson2991 hahaha that's awesome...i picture him coming home on just rims lol
@vk2aafhamradio
@vk2aafhamradio Ай бұрын
@@rarecars3336 the 400 SBC would eat. And SBCs fit amazingly well in the Vega barn.
@brokendad2222
@brokendad2222 Ай бұрын
Went to school with a guy that built a vega wagon in the early eighties. He put a built 400 small block in it, he had to weld the doors shut after a couple of years because it bent the body and they wouldn't stay shut. The torque was scary as heck.
@PeterStaniforth
@PeterStaniforth Ай бұрын
I know at least one of these made it to the U.K. because I saw one in Sheffield when I was around 7 or 8 years old (1977-8) I remember it because it reminded me of the Starsky and Hutch Gran Torino which I loved at the time. Can't remember seeing the "Motion" but I can remember it being called a Super Vega. I just thought it was a name someone had put on it, I didn't know that it was actually called that. Always remember it because it sounded so different to the cars we had here at the time. Thanks for bringing back a memory from my childhood.
@fieldinglover
@fieldinglover Ай бұрын
I have sitting in my garage right now a 73 Vega with an Aluminum 215 V8 in it , the thing is a beast !
@bartondarnell9694
@bartondarnell9694 Ай бұрын
Always thought that was a great engine to put in a light car. Kudos to you, my friend!
@Sabe53
@Sabe53 Ай бұрын
Had a 63 Cutlas with 215, 4 bbl, 4 speed and dual exhaust. Pissed a lot of guys off with that car.
@billlloyd4354
@billlloyd4354 Ай бұрын
The very best Vega engine swap of all. Allowed the car to still handle great.
@freedomtodefend
@freedomtodefend Ай бұрын
When I was in my teens a guy that went to my church had a 215/5 speed Vega. Queen Anne Hill in Seattle in the ‘70’s. Clean swap and looked stock. I remember that car well.
@Sabe53
@Sabe53 Ай бұрын
Always thought that or a 3.8 V6 5 speed would make fun little cars out of the Vega, but you ain't gonna find a good one now to do the swap.
@bruceallen6016
@bruceallen6016 Ай бұрын
I had two Vegas back in the day. A yellow 72 Vega that was stock and an Orange 71 GT with a 300 HP 327 under hood, a 10 bolt rear with 4:11s and a T350 with a 2200 RPM torque converter. It was fast enough to have fun with. 😉
@jaysrandomnesschannel
@jaysrandomnesschannel Ай бұрын
300 horses in something that small was definitely something more than "too have fun with".
@bruceallen6016
@bruceallen6016 Ай бұрын
@@jaysrandomnesschannel Never said it was slow, but it was a lot of fun. 😉
@meldridge51
@meldridge51 Ай бұрын
Back in 75 I had a Pinto with a 289 v8 and my best friend had a Vega with a 350! He beat my ass every time we ran! My 289 ran really good but just couldn’t compete with the Chevy 350! That was just a whole lot more motor! But we had tons of fun! Times are different today!
@rogerdodrill4733
@rogerdodrill4733 Ай бұрын
U mean like, no fun?
@dreaded8987
@dreaded8987 Ай бұрын
My brother, back in the early 80s, put a VERY BUILT 460 in a 78' mustang II. THING WAS CRAZY!!! He put a complete tubed frame under it to keep it from twisting itself into a tornado! I only rode in it once...but let's just say that I'm Completely Surprised that he is still alive today!
@randycoursey7230
@randycoursey7230 Ай бұрын
The 289 hipo racked up a lot of titles for Carroll Shelby. After Ford's 427 destroyed Ferrari in 1966 finishing 1,2,3, at Leman's rule changes stripped the Ford GT40 of the famous 427. So they came back the next year with the 289 and still won the 24 hours of LeMans. A friend of mine in high school had a built 289 in his 1964 Falcon. He beat big block engines, especially 396 Chevelle's. He'd walk away from them.
@randycoursey7230
@randycoursey7230 Ай бұрын
You should have dropped a 351 Cleveland in your Pinto. No 350 could handle a 351 Cleveland. I've owned both.
@aschuppe
@aschuppe Ай бұрын
@@randycoursey7230351 Cleveland was (is) a beast. I replaced a 351 Windsor with a 351 C 4BBL in a 1969 Mustang Sportsroof and it was a screamer. Not much would touch it. Wish I still had it!!
@BustedNut-
@BustedNut- Ай бұрын
Had a 72 vega w a 350 punched out 60 over w a BnM shift kit, 2500 stall, man i wish i still had that car!
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Ай бұрын
Sounds like that car really moved!
@hogie1259
@hogie1259 Ай бұрын
My very first car was a '71 Chevy Vega. White with black interior. I bought it from a family in Napa for $500. There was a semi-famous guy in town named Roy Onesti. He had a pro-street modded Vega in hugger orange. That car was insane and was the influence (or at least I wished it was) for my car. I drove it with the 4 banger for about 6 months before I decided it was time for an upgrade. I was 18 and worked at the Grand Auto in Napa, so I got a discount on parts. I didn't have a huge amount of money so I had to go with a V6 at the time. I bought a Buick V6 from a guy for $75 complete with transmission. Roy did the swap for me and I drove that car like that for about a year before eating the transmission. I pulled the engine and transmission out of a wrecked Iroc Z and ended up stabbing that in there. I finally had some hurspurs and took it to what was called Sears Point at the time and commenced to driving that car right into the wall. Not a day goes by that I don't wish I still had that car for a new project in the garage with my kid. Vegas are getting harder and harder to find these days.
@BLACKWOLF-1911
@BLACKWOLF-1911 Ай бұрын
Back In 79, my 1970 barracuda got beat pretty bad by a Vega light to light. I couldn't believe it I have no idea what was in it but talk about embarrassing. My girl friend at the time asked me what happened and all I could say was, that thing isn't stock.
@tommurphy4307
@tommurphy4307 Ай бұрын
did you trade her in? the girl- not the car.
@ronbrewer2721
@ronbrewer2721 19 күн бұрын
Here in Pa there was Don Yenko who was famous for this.
@lancerevell5979
@lancerevell5979 Ай бұрын
An Airforce buddy back in the late 1970s put a warmed over 427 V8 in it, and heavy duty trans and rearend. But he didn't reinforce the chassis. When really romping on it, he twisted the chassis, ruining the car. 😮
@banacekishere3857
@banacekishere3857 Ай бұрын
Twisted Vegas were a regular occurrence with V8s involved. LoL!!!
@BrandonLeeBrown
@BrandonLeeBrown Ай бұрын
I helped a friend put a built 427 in a Vega with a Motion kit and a 12 bolt rear for the Vega from Motion. We got done and hopped in. We were in a parking lot and smoked the tires all over the parking lot. We both got out and the doors wouldn't close! I have seen windows pop out or break, but with this one, it was the doors that wouldn't close.
@danstory4286
@danstory4286 Ай бұрын
​​@@BrandonLeeBrownI saw one pop the front glass out. The fix was to install a preload bar from the front left to the right rear but no one ever did it.
@markh.7650
@markh.7650 Ай бұрын
I had one of the milder Motion Vegas (White 71 with the trademark black wrap around stripe coming to a point at the front). It was a corvette 350 with a TH350 full manual valve body, reverse pattern with a HARD shift kit. After beating on it for a few years, the car was twisted and the rear suspension was tearing loose from the unibody. I ended up band aiding it with Ladder bars, and even they started to push the floor pan up where they were secured. The problem was the shift kit. It was so violent, the car under WOT would slide 2 ft sideways on the 1-2 shift and half a foot on the 2-3 shift. It had a terrible rear drive ratio (highway gears) so it was a dog off the line, but I did manage to take it to 130 once, the windshield wipers ran up and tried to autopark, but they couldn't until I dropped below 100. Crazy car.
@marc196050
@marc196050 Ай бұрын
I knew a guy in the Navy put a LT1 in a hatchback Monza. The torque twisted it up that the hatch wouldn’t open anymore. He actually laughed about it.
@Thomas63r2
@Thomas63r2 Ай бұрын
One of the kings of my local streets in the mid 1970's in SoCal was a highly modified L88 swapped Chevy LUV mini truck. The guy was super cool even when he was out of the groove in a street race, not much seemed to bother him - he was an amazing driver. When I asked him why he wasn't running a 468, he just said the the rpm of the 427 would win him more races than the torque of a 468.
@Thomas63r2
@Thomas63r2 Ай бұрын
@@GNMi79 Sure, everyone knows that. Branded as a Chevy, there was no real Isuzu dealer network in the U.S. when the Chevy LUV (Light Utility Vehicle) was introduced. When Isuzu finally had a dealer network they flopped in everything except for their versatile Medium Duty Low Cab Forward commercial trucks (which came with a Chevy 350 V8 or an Isuzu diesel)
@buzzwaldron6195
@buzzwaldron6195 Ай бұрын
An 'L88' version of 468" would have even more torque and HP...
@Thomas63r2
@Thomas63r2 Ай бұрын
@@buzzwaldron6195 Yes captain obvious LOL. I'm not here to debate street racing history, this dude won a lot of races - often against larger cubic inch competitors. Even back then there were stroker big blocks on the street. Spinning isn't winning, more cubes do you no good if you blow the tires off the line. He felt, and I wouldn't disagree on traction challenged street surfaces, that running deeper gears and having a higher winding engine gave him more strategies. Back to V8 Vegas: I don't know if I ever saw a Motion Super Vega on the street - but there were plenty of V8 Vegas, mostly small blocks. I think the reason he chose the LUV truck was mostly money (and to be different), that it could be built cheaper and it already had a full frame vs. a unibody Vega. In more recent decades that was the same reason for so many S-10 V8's.
@jameswbarry9576
@jameswbarry9576 Ай бұрын
Do you remember bill gumby Jenkins in a v8 Vega in pro stock back in the day
@tommurphy4307
@tommurphy4307 Ай бұрын
@@Thomas63r2 the tilt-nose trucks you speak of are chevy/isuzu SFI's in california.
@kolsen6330
@kolsen6330 Ай бұрын
Back in high school, my girl friend had a Vega. I would get in trouble telling her that Vega was short for vagrant meaning not working. Her father drove it a few days, hated the lack of power, and dumped a corvette 327 in it.
@LIFEMASTER1969
@LIFEMASTER1969 Ай бұрын
Nice
@LIFEMASTER1969
@LIFEMASTER1969 Ай бұрын
I would have dumped a much larger engine in it and added a supercharger😮
@allenarneson4349
@allenarneson4349 Ай бұрын
That is correct. A good friend dropped a built 327 over bored .030 in his 1973 Vega. Two problems keeping it in a straight line and the steering sucked. Very fast, but not for the faint of heart. Not much fun to ride in with fiberglass seats and stiff suspension.
@jayrowe6473
@jayrowe6473 Ай бұрын
But no matter what you did to it, it was still _just a vega._
@thekingsilverado3266
@thekingsilverado3266 Ай бұрын
Just a story from my high school days is about my neighbor & one of my early Mentors named Robbie Monochack. Robbie graduated when I was in like 8th grade and not too long after another one of neighbors crashed their Chevy Vega Robbie and I saw an issue of car craft Magazine. He was already working at a dealership a year after graduation and that is where he got the magazine that detailed how to build a V8 Vega. The car in the magazine was the same exact colors so he bought the wrecked Vega and soon after he ordered the fiberglass front end & the kit to install the 350 motor. However he soon had the problems of learning how to weld as well as the expense of buying one of them old Buzz box welders. It was damn near 35 years later & some 85 miles from Allentown where here locally where I live now buried deep in the back of a beer distributors storage area I actually knew and was talking for a few years to the guy that now owns Robbie's old car. Inside the trunk lid was our names scribbled with a sharpie marker there abouts 1978 or 1979... Our names were still there as the cars builders. Mind ya I was probably 13 or 14 years and at times I was more of a nuisance to Robbie than anything else yet he let me write my name in the car.. My dad & Robbie's dad also wrote their names on the trunk lid and unknown to Billy the cars owner that knew my name never thought I was the same person. He even thought I might have been full of it until I told him exactly where my name was written at and out fathers names. Billy has now become a pretty good friend now for some years. We do intend to revisit Robbies old homestead and show him the exact story of the car even where the car sat wrecked and was sold to Robbie.
@craigengelman1369
@craigengelman1369 Ай бұрын
An article about the Baldwin Motion 454 Motion Super Vega in Car Craft magazine titled “King Kong Lives On Long Island” would prove unintentionally disastrous for the company, it caught the eye of people at the EPA and eventually brought the hammer down on the whole enterprise. After much legal wrangling a $500 fine was paid and Joel Rosen promised not to build anymore wild customs for American roads. He got around the restrictions by building cars for export or race track use only, but this severely limited his customer base and eventually the company had to stop operating. No two Baldwin Motion cars were ever identical due to the way they were built to customer specification
@TIREDOFEVIL
@TIREDOFEVIL Ай бұрын
I remember a lot of sweet rides back in the day. My project car now in my retirement years is a 69 Torino fastback, have had it about 33 years now. Many paint jobs, same 351W till now, have a 514 ready with a C6 to go into it after I strip it down and repaint it again, hopefully for the last hurrah of my life.
@SIXPACFISH
@SIXPACFISH Ай бұрын
You are better off with a 63 panhead Harley Davidson. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sMt6o6Rm1LC1k5c.htmlsi=bBanPJGF3gPd6S_E
@mechanknuckle
@mechanknuckle Ай бұрын
I remember being a kid and driving by Motion on Sunrise Highway regularly. It wasn't a big shop, but some of the cars that had on the lot and on the lifts were amazing. In the late 80's the cars changed though. The Motion builds were more show and less go.
@perkins1439
@perkins1439 Ай бұрын
Now I want a Vega❤
@sajsed2
@sajsed2 26 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@charliechristie2949
@charliechristie2949 Ай бұрын
Back in the day, I knew Joel Rosen well. He had this great idea for a Speed Shop + New Car Dealer. It was cool.
@WholeLottaBulldog
@WholeLottaBulldog Ай бұрын
What an absolute treasure of a channel. Love from Australia, my man. You should have a look at a few of our muscle cars of the 70's and 80's
@noduh736
@noduh736 Ай бұрын
I woulda got a wagon with a turbo LT1
@bourbonslurpee
@bourbonslurpee Ай бұрын
Vega looks a bit like an LX hatchback
@Minnevan
@Minnevan Ай бұрын
Love me a good old V8 ute
@roygearheadniederlander8944
@roygearheadniederlander8944 Ай бұрын
At a car show many years ago I saw the neatest Ford Falcon Ranchero pickup with a Boss 302 4 speed , right hand drive & all supposedly from Australia. Was that for real ?
@bigl6322
@bigl6322 Ай бұрын
I’ve seen some Aussie muscle… respect to the down under for sure!
@arthurroy1463
@arthurroy1463 Ай бұрын
I would gone with the 370 Hp Lt1 with the solid cam. I put one in my 68 Camaro back in the day and it had plenty of popp. I can only imagine what it would have done in skateboard like the Vega!
@raybame5816
@raybame5816 Ай бұрын
Totally agree with u on that LT1 choice.
@user-ik4fd9ny4b
@user-ik4fd9ny4b Ай бұрын
I'm guessing the alum. big block was lighter than the LT1, produced more HP and torque.
@jamesw.6931
@jamesw.6931 Ай бұрын
I like a longer, wider wheelbase as the highway goes more than a quarter mile. I had an aquantiance back in the 70's who put a built 350 dual quad in his Vega. I took a ride with him and told him he was going to wreck. Thankfully, when he rolled it at over 100mph, I was not riding and he was only banged up. PS I still have a stock 11 second vehicle which has seen 180mph with ease; that handles and stops...
@user-xt1fm9rh6r
@user-xt1fm9rh6r Ай бұрын
Had one...... Wish I still had it..... Went into the army left it with my family in L.A. went to Germany for 8 years ( Don't ask ) told them to sell it and I would get the money when I go back...... 1983 went back and was handed $22,000..... For a car I paid almost $8,000 for....... It only had about 2,700 miles on it...... Took the money bought some land up in Gig Harbor WA..... Never thought about till this video..... But it was a good deal in the end as do you know what 5 acres of waterfront land was worth in 2000.....? LOL a lot more then that car could ever be worth today.... went from young and dumb to very well off....... thanks to my Baldwin Vega..... and my family said it was a waste of my money......LOL
@surfernorm6360
@surfernorm6360 Ай бұрын
Well i real Motion Vega would be worth $100-200K But real estate thats another story on the west coast
@t.l.robinson2162
@t.l.robinson2162 Ай бұрын
I have seen Vegas with small block engines give big block cars absolute fits.
@johnbutera5805
@johnbutera5805 Ай бұрын
Yup!!! Just ask Grumpy Jenkins!! Hahahaha 😆
@stevengolden1154
@stevengolden1154 Ай бұрын
Have to admit although I love a big block in a Vega the small block would get rpms that would destroy a big block in a quarter mile
@sajsed2
@sajsed2 26 күн бұрын
Hahahahaha 🎉🎉
@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195
@crazyoilfieldmechanic3195 Ай бұрын
Over about a 5 year period between my buddy and I we had 4 different v8 vegas. 2 hatch backs, a notch back and a wagon. Onlt one had a decent rear axle in it. One of the hatchbacks had a narrowed to fit 12 bolt posi in it. It was fast but my buddy sold it after we noticed that the sheet metal pieces that were spot welded to the underside of the floor that the rear upper links holding the axle in were attached to had cracks around them and were tearing out of the floor. Axle was bullet proof but the car was a spot welded together tin can.
@JohnGajewski-ne4es
@JohnGajewski-ne4es Ай бұрын
Had a 72 vega hb. Started with resleeved motor, dual 48 sidedraft webers, headers,5 speed opel trans and opel rearend Blew it up. Stuff 454,671 blower,hilbourne injectors,50 shot Noz,3/4ton truck rearend narrowed w/ 5.88 gears and 4 speed Linco trans. Ran mid to low nines. Sold after 6months Damn I miss thar thing
@thomaslgregoryjr
@thomaslgregoryjr Ай бұрын
Such a sweet car. Fairlane Thunderbolts weren’t bad with a few mods and some slicks either. 🔥
@webmastersof
@webmastersof Ай бұрын
When I was a kid my neighbor installed a Chevy 350 to a Chevy chevette. It fits so tight that he had to remove the inner liners and in order to change the spark plugs he had to drill holes in the front fenders. It was fast but it also had so much torque that if he would get on it too hard the doors would not open because the body would twist. It was fantastic to look at and watch
@Alfred..E..Neuman
@Alfred..E..Neuman Ай бұрын
Was the car nicknamed swiss cheese? 🤔
@therealimnotjiminy
@therealimnotjiminy Ай бұрын
"he had to remove the inner liners and in order to change the spark plugs he had to drill holes in the front fenders" None of that happened.
@Boblib1970
@Boblib1970 Ай бұрын
In the 1980s, the NHRA Super Gas class was populated primarily by early 70s big block Vega's
@WindsEternal
@WindsEternal Ай бұрын
The first car I bought when I was 16 in 1982 was a 1971 Vega wagon. I loved that car! It wasn't powerful but it was a lot of fun to drive and customize. Baldwin Motion cars have been some of my most favorite super-fast hot rods. Great video about this sweet little car!
@racekar80
@racekar80 Ай бұрын
I grew up on Long Island, saw a lot of Motion cars on the street. Some were just slightly modified, and some were animals. My father had a Vega GT, I learned to drive on it, it really was not bad if you maintained it and did not overheat the motor. We never had any engine trouble with it.
@KBLIZZ333
@KBLIZZ333 Ай бұрын
Long Island here as well. Eastern Suffolk. I learned how to drive in my father's (manual) '75 Pontiac Astre in the parking lot of Smith Point Beach back in the early 90's. Great memories !!
@tgraves6976
@tgraves6976 Ай бұрын
I built my own v8 vega in 75, was an apprentice mechanic at the local chevy dealer. Bought a new lt1 350, angle plug heads, 370 hp solid lift cam, Hooker conversion kit. Muncie m21 4 spd trans. Car was a sleeper until you started it. Used Monza front springs, custom rad, corvair mufflers which I had to swap out for a pair of chev truck 6 cyl mufflers as they were flatter for more ground clearance. Stock looking from outside so really surprised all the legit muscle guys in town. Was fun except the cops would follow me around if I was out cruising. Great memories.
@nucleargrizzly1776
@nucleargrizzly1776 Ай бұрын
Had a neighbor in Georgia with a 1 of 1 triple COPO Baldwin Motion Camaro.
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Ай бұрын
Well that is crazy - that is an insane car to have especially at 1 of 1
@nucleargrizzly1776
@nucleargrizzly1776 Ай бұрын
@@rarecars3336 Only COPO produced with the deluxe luxury interior as well as the big block and HD suspension.
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman Ай бұрын
Georgia, where at? I live just outside ATL where they filmed Dukes of Hazzard
@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi
@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi Ай бұрын
Your neighbor ordered a copo from Baldwin Chevrolet. There's no such thing as a Motion Copo. He probably had Motion work on it AFTER he bought it. Because "copo" stands for "Central Office Production Order", which meant you ordered it directly from the GM central office and GM never worked directly with Motion. His "copo" was probably delivered to the Baldwin Chevrolet dealership, then sent to Motion speedworks, after the fact.
@nucleargrizzly1776
@nucleargrizzly1776 Ай бұрын
@@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi All I know is what it said on the stand in front of the car. I know it was the only one with the luxury interior. It had the BM paint scheme and was authenticated.
@BullettGuy
@BullettGuy Ай бұрын
I'm in love with it. 2200 lbs with a 454 and still under 3000 lbs. This car was a bullet.
@stevecr8934
@stevecr8934 Ай бұрын
Built a 71 Vega with Don Hardy V8 kit n hooker headers. 350 LT block backed with a Turbo 400. Funnest Fastest Cheapest build ever. When i finally sold it. The Vega would only need 3 Jack Stands to hold up the car. A little warped in frontend department. Did I mention it was almost unbeatable.
@tuck6464
@tuck6464 Ай бұрын
Had the same Don Hardy, Mr. Nasty kit.
@John-pe9dp
@John-pe9dp Ай бұрын
That was a good story, I was there and back in the day Baldwin Motion was up there with Mr Norm's Grand Spaulding Dodge for putting together some outrageously badass COPO style packages but I agree with you Motion pushed the Ragged Edge. They had a lot of fine machinists, tool and die makers, sheet metal workers and old school Smoky Yunick caliber mechanics in that part of the country and what those guys could do with metal was just amazing. BTW....later in the 70s a popular hack for the same Church different Pew follow-on of the Vega-- the Monza was to get ahold of a used 1977 Monza that came with a 305 V8 well you know where that was going because unless you lived in California which we did not... most of the states were yawning at the smog rules and you could stuff anything you wanted under the hood so having a car with a V8 configured from the factory was a perfect way to go plus it was very inconspicuous with Insurance Underwriters because after you got a hold of it you can do anything you want with that small block Chevy. The biggest limiter back then came down to three things The first has already mentioned was insurance then came the issue of the pump gas which was absolutely terrible and even your best high test or premium would rattle a high compression engine so you'd have to be careful there and of course the third area was John Law for the street racers/ enthusiasts.. Most people forget the federal mandate that knocked the speed limit down to 55 on all roads and freeways to save fuel nationwide as a result of the Arab Oil Embargo earlier that decade and with the advent of radar the po-po po-lice were just absolute Nazis if you were out with anything high-performance and breaking the law in any way. We never got a mulligan-- If a black and white lit 'em up and came after you it was either a ticket with points or they were calling the hook and taking your car or both. No such thing as warning ticket forgiveness in those days.
@williamstamper442
@williamstamper442 Ай бұрын
The Motion new york crew liked all GM musclecars. They had their hands on every brand. I remember plain as day when dad and i oogled over their small, white covered, stapled in the middle motion performance books for pontiac and our personal favorite, oldsmobile. Dad was a 442 fan and between us we have had many. I still have my first car, its a 1970 442. We followed the tech tips in the motion books and i had a 12.70s 442 in 1987 just out of high school. We bought a clapped out 1969 98 full size rust bucket which just happened to have a swapped out 1970 E headed 455 olds which is what my car originally came with. I did a stock piston re-ring cleaning everything best i could, blueprinted the stock oil pump per the motion book with stacked cover plates and sanded down the body to reduce end clearance on the gears using emery cloth taped to a piece of glass. Threw in a comp cam 292 grind which was sign of the times and first time out my 3800 pound 70 442 went 13.30s on radials. Within a month on sticky tires it was going 12.70s easily, eventually going 11.90s with that stock piston motor. I still have that short block too, well i have the e heads too and they were not ported. Since then ive aquired much much more. Current engine for the car is a normally aspirated 462 olds which made 620hp/620tq on the engine dyno. Here is the bad part. 2 days ago i got served papers and im about to lose my home and everything ive ever owned due to a previous real estate sale which i got ripped off and yet got sued. Now they are taking the house im in, which i grew up in, moved back when dad died in 2016. Its so messed up and took everything i have in me to type this message. Im on disability and cannot see how it's legal to even do this but looks like its gonna happen. Dont think i can survive losing everything at 54 with health problems so this might be last time i type this kind of comment. Pray for me if you made it this far. Thank y'all for reading.
@jeffshepherd6346
@jeffshepherd6346 Ай бұрын
Stamper 442, I’m so sorry to hear how things are going for you. As a disabled Millwright, got impailed by a 4’ Johnson bar falling 60’ from shoulder to groin. There went all the toys & fun money🥴I wish I knew where you are, I’d try to at least help get the Beast put back together. Takes two to do the work of one these days, I’m half as strong & twice as slow. Between me & my Dad, we had em’ all back in the day & I’d love to build one more Earthshaker before the last race is over. Didn’t take me long to get back to Church after my accident, so I will put in a good word Upstairs for you. Wishing you the best, Good Luck My Friend🤙LAWYERS… Don’t You Just Love Em’?😛😎🙏🤙🖖
@kennethchristensen3582
@kennethchristensen3582 Ай бұрын
Move out then move right back in and claim squatters rights.
@brucenye6137
@brucenye6137 Ай бұрын
Prayin
@deanbracewell8489
@deanbracewell8489 Ай бұрын
So sorry to read that. Praying.
@will7its
@will7its Ай бұрын
I can't believe the room around that small block in the Vega, holy crap, try that with a ford or chrysler. And I would go with a 302 Z/28 engine. That would scream.....
@Randy7th
@Randy7th Ай бұрын
Think hemi dart or a 429 mustang...
@patriot798
@patriot798 Ай бұрын
my BBC fits with no extra room
@rogerdodrill4733
@rogerdodrill4733 Ай бұрын
I think dz 302 had the most radical cam Chevy ever designed
@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi
@BradleyBellwether-oy2qi Ай бұрын
The first car I remember my parents having was a 1978 Pontiac Sunbird Safari wagon, which was the Pontiac version of the Vega wagon, and I *_really_* wish I had that thing today! It was light metallic blue with the honeycomb wheels. For a wagon that thing was sweet!
@robertdavis5714
@robertdavis5714 Ай бұрын
Vegas and Pintos w/ V8's were it when I was in High School, 1 friend had an Orange V8 Vega and the other had a Blue V8 Pinto. Small block V8's were enough power for these things.
@alross18058
@alross18058 Ай бұрын
In the early 70s i lived in nj and every year we would go to the ny car show that was held at the ny coliseum and the motion display was always my favorite.
@gordoninthailand
@gordoninthailand Ай бұрын
Was always including today my most favorite car ever. The phase 3 V8 Vega. I lived about 25 miles from Baldwin.
@deanstoops26
@deanstoops26 Ай бұрын
I owned a very nice 1972 Vega GT with a 355 Seaport racing engine backed by a built 350 Turbo-hydramatic transmission.. It was done correctly using a Don Hardy conversion kit complete with headers and a 12 bolt rear axle.
@robertfrye5161
@robertfrye5161 Ай бұрын
Back in the day, there was one that came thru my town to see a local engine guru. He did some of his magic to it and they left very pleased
@468vega
@468vega Ай бұрын
Great work on research and articles. Loving my street driven-occasional drag '72 Vega GT 6-71 Dyer's blown 468 I've had for 46 years. Thanks and will be sharing this awsome and informative video!
@8000RPM.
@8000RPM. Ай бұрын
Be advised,...$4,000 was a heck of a lot of money in 1970. I think you could get a 340 Dodge Dart for $3,000. And a Ford Maverick for a little over $2,000. I've seen two 350 Vegas. They were/are basically unbeatable. Very easy to get sideways. A factory "pocket rocket" that I always admired was the 396/375 Nova.
@michaelfercik3691
@michaelfercik3691 Ай бұрын
A ZL1 427 ci aluminum big block would have been the way to go with being about the weight of the iron block LT1 350 ci , while benefiting with twice the horsepower. Go figure !
@mikeholland1031
@mikeholland1031 Ай бұрын
Very expensive and hard to get though. $3500 option in 69 I think.
@tuske427
@tuske427 Ай бұрын
my thoughts exactly!
@scottward7813
@scottward7813 Ай бұрын
Wouldn't fit
@mikeholland1031
@mikeholland1031 Ай бұрын
@@scottward7813 yes it would. Seen 427's and 454's in them before. Not easy but quite possible.
@bricefleckenstein9666
@bricefleckenstein9666 Ай бұрын
I preferred my Olds 215 (Aluminum V8, minor variation on the Buick that eventually got bought out by BL/Rover to become the famed Rover 3500). PLENTY of power for such a light car (73 Vega GT), and didn't destroy the handling like any lump of iron did like the small block Chevy (the 215 was about 30 pounds heavier all-up vs. the part-aluminum 140 it replaced). There was at least one swap kit someone made for a BOP 215 into a Vega, but I bought mine used from an SCCA unlimited-class autocrosser, who had also lowered it 2 inches or so, added fat Goodyear gumballs to each corner, and made it go FAST around corners not just in a straight line. I never did find the cornering limits of the car - it would do 55 (National Speed Limit) around a "25" MPH Interstate corkscrew no issues.
@glenmallory9982
@glenmallory9982 Ай бұрын
Yep first engine I thought of when i watched this video. 215 would have made sense in this. Glad you enjoyed yours.
@ericarachel55
@ericarachel55 Ай бұрын
my father in law and husband used to redo the motors on vegas all the time back in the 70's at WestAmity Auto parts and machine shop, Baldwin was just down the road from Amityville, yes, that Amityville
@johnjacobjingleheimerschmi3857
@johnjacobjingleheimerschmi3857 Ай бұрын
An Aluminum Block and Head 383 Stroker would have been perfect powerplant. Imo.
@AllConsumingJAWS
@AllConsumingJAWS Ай бұрын
Sounds good, my friend. I had one in 89 Camaro with a 150 shot...🙂‍↕️
@MrNoclutch
@MrNoclutch Ай бұрын
I bought a v8 305ci 79 Monza in 89 and had put a 383 in it, cannot imagine it with a all alum. Would have been more fun on the street is hard to imagine.
@mewrongway
@mewrongway Ай бұрын
A LS3 would be even better!
@shimshonbendan8730
@shimshonbendan8730 Ай бұрын
Imagine an all aluminum 632 Big Block, with chassis reinforcements of course.
@user-dd5vn2dn7g
@user-dd5vn2dn7g Ай бұрын
All aluminum Chevy small blocks did not exist at that time, and maybe never.
@Sailor376also
@Sailor376also Ай бұрын
The Vega was originally designed, sized, built to utilize GMs Wankel engine. Yep, you heard that right. The Vega was supposed to have a tiny little rotary engine that cranked out 120hp from an engine that weighed less than 200 pounds. the entire vehicle would have weighed less than 1500 pounds, and have a top speed of approx 120mph. GM could not lick the corner seals problem and were not going to pay Wankel of Germany, or Mazda of Japan to use their patents. My father's die design shop had a triangular rotor they used as a door stop to cool the shop on hot days. That rotor may have cost a million or more dollars,, and it was used as a door stop on the front door.
@nrken1
@nrken1 Ай бұрын
I owned a 73 Vega GT, always wanted to convert to a 350 V-8. I had a friend, William Green, we called him Vega Bill. He converted his 71 Vega into a 350 powered monster himself. What an awesome machine
@BillDalby
@BillDalby Ай бұрын
Used to go to oswego speedway when the modifieds showed up the guys all had vegas pintos gremlins with big powerful engines always kept you on the edge of your seat back in the seventies
@buff6637
@buff6637 Ай бұрын
I remember an Orange V8 Vega Wagon in the early 80's on Front St in Philly...Had Jersey tags on it...Thing Really Ran Strong
@bobm9509
@bobm9509 Ай бұрын
Front Street. Talk about a blast from the past.
@chrispq12
@chrispq12 Ай бұрын
I remember that car. We showed up in my buddies 69 camaro. So did the cops eventually.
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman Ай бұрын
Way back when I had a '73 Vega GT {just like the one at 3:32} but it had a 350 4bbl ✌💖☮
@vernhoke7730
@vernhoke7730 Ай бұрын
Back in the seventies, I spent a lot of time at Raceway Park in Englishtown, NJ. A lot. I had a buddy who worked for Performance Centers, a local speed shop. We'd go most every weekend, and he'd get passes for the bigger races. I've been to all 4 days of the Summernationals from '75-'82, the Jetcar Nationals, Funny Car Nationals, and Crazy Eddie's Night of Thrills. Needless to say, there were a number of V8 Vegas running. The most notorious was Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins and his Geumpy's Toy. I also spent a lot of time cruising the circuit in Asbury Park and the occasional V8 Vega would show up. There was a hatchback with a 454, a couple of wagons and I guy I knew who's '69 Z/28 got rear ended and the 302 went in a '74 sedan. I myself had a '72 Vega GT hatchback. It unfortunately had the four banger that at around 10,000 miles needed the engine replaced. Cost me the price of a head gasket as GM replaced them for free. When the 2nd engine was on its way out, I considered a Motion swap kit as they were about an hour away. At that time I could get a decent small block for a few hundred dollars and with a buddy in a speed shop, weĺl...
@Graybeard_
@Graybeard_ Ай бұрын
My very first car was a 1974 Chevy Vega GT. I bought it for $900. Several of my friends had them, and we were all working towards swapping in V8s. One friend had a Chevy 350 in his, but it did not run more than it did. Another friend had a Buick 215 aluminum block V8 professionally installed in his, and it was amazing. I never got a V8 in mine because an opportunity came along to get a Dodge Cornet with a 383 from an elderly lady whose husband had died. The car was mint, all stock and had a posi rear. Man I loved that car!
@minnesotatomcat
@minnesotatomcat Ай бұрын
I wonder how many Vega super wagons they sold? I bet not many but what a cool car today!
@redbarchetta8782
@redbarchetta8782 Ай бұрын
I had a 71 Vega wagon with a 283 LT1 cam and a 2 speed powerglide. Not sure how I'd have stuffed a 454 in her. 😉 Smallblocks need no body mods which helps. She was gunmetal gray with a bit of sparkle and was a fun as hell. 70mph in first gear was a blast.
@leescales5216
@leescales5216 Ай бұрын
Dropped a warmed over 350 in a 72 Vega back in 1977. Kept the stock wheel covers and snow tires for awhile...the ultimate sleeper. Finally shredded the original Vega rear end, then added a narrowed 12 bolt, probably a 373. Finally an associate of mine got his own Vega and put a 427 in it. I was back to second place. 😞 Wish i still had that car.
@walkwithme43
@walkwithme43 Ай бұрын
My dad swapped dropped a 454 in his. It was all track car . He seen sky halfway down the track every pass. I loved watching him have fun. I miss my dad terribly.
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Ай бұрын
Sorry for your loss - sounds like your dad was a bad*ss, 454 Vega had to have been a WILD ride
@garyjones2582
@garyjones2582 Ай бұрын
A friend had one with a 327 in it.. He never got around to strengthening the frame and it ending up twisting the body thus rendering the car worthless... But it was fast..
@MisterHolaMan
@MisterHolaMan Ай бұрын
my first time at the drag strip there was this blue vega just dominating every single race lol
@michaelandrews9301
@michaelandrews9301 Ай бұрын
In 1987 I bought a 1976 Monza Town Coupe With a factory 350/350 combo in it from a buddy who didn't know what he had for 300 buckswhile I was stationed in Jacksonville Florida. I put about 1500 bucks worth of speed parts from Edelbrock on it and was running mid 10's on street tires through the mufflers.
@rogerdodrill4733
@rogerdodrill4733 Ай бұрын
I thought Monza only had small factory V8 262/305, u know diff?
@MrHemikid426
@MrHemikid426 Ай бұрын
Chevy built a V8 Vega, it was called the Monza. The problem with the V8 was that the unibody wasn't designed for the weight or torque. I saw some in the 1970's that had added metal tubing added to the unibody to gain strength for a small block V8. Then, the rear diferential was replaced. 9 seconds, 1/4 mile. No way, cause they didn't hock up out of the hole with a small block, let alone a big block.
@hardtail-gy8dk
@hardtail-gy8dk Ай бұрын
Some guys would install subframe connectors which helped some, really this was one of the problems with most pony cars and lack of frame, full chassis is really only way to go for big hp but this was super cheap backyard fun and times were better
@kennethchristensen3582
@kennethchristensen3582 Ай бұрын
Those were the Monza Spider's.
@rogerdodrill4733
@rogerdodrill4733 Ай бұрын
If u build it to hook, it will hook, how do u explain w / stand, if no hook?
@MrHemikid426
@MrHemikid426 Ай бұрын
@rogerdodrill4733 in the 1970s, tire technology wasn't great, so in order for high-powered cars to hook, you would tub the rear and put the widest tires that's possible to gain traction.
@danjones815
@danjones815 Ай бұрын
I had a V8 Vega I bought used in 1991 with a wore out 327, stock Saginaw Vega 4 speed, and an 8.2 Nova rear. It had an Edelbrock SP2P manifold and a Quadrajet. It was a Don Hardy swap with their 1 3/4 inch headers. I swapped the 4 speed for a Turbo 350 with a Vega converter. It did not weigh 2200 pounds. It was over 2900 pounds. With the 4 speed, it ran a mid-18 second quarter mile ET. at Bandimere Speedway. The SP2P manifold limited the RPM to about 4500. I swapped the manifold to an Edelbrock Performer and put a Holley modular 600 cfm carb that they don't sell anymore, but Summit Racing does with their name on it and it became a 16 second car. Through 11 years, it was a 15, 14, 13, 12 and 11 second car at Bandimere with 4 engine combinations and 3 transmission and torque converter combinations. I was able to shed 350 pounds from the car to 2550-lbs. All this with the stock rear suspension and a 26x8-15-inch tire, and 8.2 inch rear with stock axles the last engine combo made 530 horse power at sea level. Best ET. was 11.15 seconds and best mph was 124. At sea level it would have been an easy mid 10 second car. So the content creator is way off on the performance of these Vegas, especially the weight, as being 2200-lbs.
@hardtail-gy8dk
@hardtail-gy8dk Ай бұрын
I think what they are saying is the Vega was 2200 lbs before the swap, subtract the stock equipment and add more and your correct, I did the Pinto V8 conversion in 1980 which was tougher to fit, it was still good hp in a light car
@rogerdodrill4733
@rogerdodrill4733 Ай бұрын
I think he's quoting stock vega #
@fcaughli
@fcaughli Ай бұрын
I am not completely sure but owning several vegas I don't think they were that light even with the original 4 popper
@therealimnotjiminy
@therealimnotjiminy Ай бұрын
@@fcaughli 2249 for the '71 coupe.
@jeffjankiewicz5100
@jeffjankiewicz5100 Ай бұрын
I knew a gearhead in high school who dropped a built 350 in a 1973 Vega with a Muncie 4 speed. It ate Mustangs for lunch. It would pin you in the seat on launch. Fun times in 1975.
@outdoorgears9533
@outdoorgears9533 Ай бұрын
When I first saw the picture of the vega on this page I thought, click bait!! I'm glad I looked. I had 3 different vega's and I remember when I first looked under the hood, I thought where is the other have of the engine? I always said "I would love to dump a 327 or 350 in this thing" I thought it would scream. If I knew that there was a kit and people were doing it, at my age, I would have been dumb enough to do it. Dam the consequence's to my DL or the cost! The only thing I can say after watching this is WOW, I knew it!!!! Thanks for your post!
@Mike44460
@Mike44460 Ай бұрын
Oh, how I miss these cars and my youth that went with them.
@tsbrownie
@tsbrownie Ай бұрын
Since we are not talking about factory cars... I had a friend whose father owned a race track. He built an Austin Healey with a totally built 327 double humper. The brake became the gas pedal and the clutch pedal the brake.
@AlanEmmons-qw6bg
@AlanEmmons-qw6bg Ай бұрын
Hey buddy I've got a 65 3000 mk3 did you have to alter the front ends body any to get it to fit in the 327 in? And what was your carb setup and exhaust system stock or not? I also had a 67 with tuned headers and only ran the pipes to the resonators like lake pipes! It was a killer back then. My son has the car now because I can't drive(A nice fellow broad sided me) and fractured my pelvis, five bones! But I'd love to upgrade it a bit. I got 140 mph with the exhaust setup and broke em loose in all 5 gears (electric overdrive) and I would love to do it again on my bucket list!!😳 Rodchester carb Or Weber Tri-power. Please read this!! I must know?!?!😁
@tsbrownie
@tsbrownie Ай бұрын
@AlanEmmons-qw6bg It was a friend's car and his father's friend did the work in the 1970s.
@therealimnotjiminy
@therealimnotjiminy Ай бұрын
WOW! A real double humper?
@americanAlienBoy
@americanAlienBoy Ай бұрын
Ah, flashback! In the mid '70s, I pumped gas at the Hess station in Oceanside (next town over from Baldwin). We sold 101 octane, so we were the go-to for locals with fast cars. We had a regular who had 454 Vega. I remember talking to him about it, and it had, uh, issues: Chassis flex was bit scary, to the point where the windshield would crack during a run. Tim Bogert of Vanilla Fudge used to bring his custom painted Pantera there too.
@russellmaddock3492
@russellmaddock3492 Ай бұрын
Back in 1970, a friend of mine bought a used very low milage 1970 Yenko Deuce Nova with the LT1 350 under the hood. This car was bad fast, and we had lots of fun racing on those warm summer nights on Woodward Ave back in the day. So, the LT1 would have been a great engine in the much lighter Vega. The Yenko Deuce was an automatic and it hooked up extremely well from a standing start. I can remember the springs in the front bench seat would bottom out the car launched so hard from a standing start. The car was slightly higher in the front and Yenko had this car really set up well for the quarter mile. One thing I forgot to mention about the purchase of this Yenko Deuce Nova. My friend bought it from Roger Penske's used car lot. And Roger himself came out and let my friend drive the car around the lot to test the car out. He told my friend to put his foot into it. He did, and that was all my friend needed to purchase the car. The car was a darker jade green with the Yenko Deuce white side stripes and LT1 stripes on the hood. Yes, the LT1 engine would have been a great choice for the lightweight Vega.
@tuck6464
@tuck6464 Ай бұрын
They all needed stiffening/ subframe connectors, especially stick shift cars, but at the time nobody made/sold connectors for Vegas. One holeshot in a stick shift car without stiffening, was almost a guaranteed broken windshield from all the twist.
@rogerdodrill4733
@rogerdodrill4733 Ай бұрын
Run skinny rear tires,problem avoided
@therealimnotjiminy
@therealimnotjiminy Ай бұрын
They did, in fact, make subframe connectors for the Vega.
@tuck6464
@tuck6464 Ай бұрын
@@therealimnotjiminy Who did ? not Don Hardy, Baldwin built cars, but they didn't have a parts catalog. You could get them done at S&W or other race shops, but never heard of anyone having frame connectors in a box/on the shelf specifically for Vega's or anything else for that matter, in the late 70's-early 80's. We made our own out of 2"X2" square tube.
@therealimnotjiminy
@therealimnotjiminy Ай бұрын
@@tuck6464 Alston had them. So did several of the V8 Vega kit makers. But they weren't as necessary as you make out. I knew of 3 V8 Vegas, one wagon, none of them had subframe connectors and none of them had any problems with twisting, at least not anymore than a Camaro or a Dart or a Mustang or a Roadrunner or any other subframe car. And yes, of course people made their own.
@BingBangBye
@BingBangBye Ай бұрын
The Vega would rust out before it reached the end of the quarter mile.
@bobsnyder2449
@bobsnyder2449 Ай бұрын
😂
@Coelacanth97
@Coelacanth97 Ай бұрын
"I rust my life...a quarter panel at a time."
@DEPjr0113
@DEPjr0113 Ай бұрын
Yea you're right, I've not seen one in years!
@aschuppe
@aschuppe Ай бұрын
😂
@jamesvelie8541
@jamesvelie8541 Ай бұрын
probably true but good looking car!
@DeanBercegay-jw6bu
@DeanBercegay-jw6bu Ай бұрын
I had a 1974 hatch back with a 4 cylinder & a 3 speed on the four. & drove it all over . It was a very nice car. Cool little ride….thanks “
@mboiko
@mboiko Ай бұрын
Growing up on Long Island at that same time I remember Baldwin Motion well and racing from the Burger King on Hempstead Turnpike (Bethpage NY)...like it was yesterday. Those were crazy times with some very fast street cars.
@rickuyeda4818
@rickuyeda4818 Ай бұрын
A Vega, no matter how big an engine, would never hook up. I use to pick on them all the time with my '65 Malibu SS.
@Dontdelete420
@Dontdelete420 Ай бұрын
Not true, my Vega hooked and you used to hang with Groucho. 👍
@carmudgeon7478
@carmudgeon7478 Ай бұрын
454 Vegas used to be all you saw in Super Gas.
@jeffreybrandes881
@jeffreybrandes881 Ай бұрын
Rest in peace, Joel Rosen. Back in 1975, you and your team helped me get my 1971, 440 six-pack Charger running high twelve second quarter mile times,with street tires. Although your shop catered more to GM products, you got my big B-body Mopar to haul some serious ass. Many Chevelles and GTOs got to see my tail lights. 😂
@robertwright1084
@robertwright1084 Ай бұрын
My first car in 1985 was a 1975 white GT Vega Kammback station wagon. My dad bought the car new in 75. The thing was in mint condition, and I almost had all the parts to do the 327 V8 swap when it got totaled when some moron pulled out in front to me at around 2 am in the morning from some side street. The guy was drunk. Was totally devastated! Would love to have that car today for my collection!
@kevintackett7564
@kevintackett7564 Ай бұрын
In stock form the Vega self destructed with the aluminum block 4 cylinder the very first thing destroyed. Shortly thereafter the rest of this poorly engineered and constructed calamity literally fell apart!!
@vk2aafhamradio
@vk2aafhamradio Ай бұрын
That stupid silicon-aluminum block made for a very good supply of bones for SBC Vegas. If you could get a good, low-rust body (hard in the midwest), bung a 327 in it with subframe connectors and traction bars and you could eat most Camaros & Muskrats.
@cee128d
@cee128d Ай бұрын
Knowing how much of a piece of crap the Vega was overall I wouldn't be caught dead in one of them. There were (and still are) numerous small cars that were well enough built to handle that sort of engine swaps, like the Ace/Bristol turned into Cobras, the Vega definitely wasn't one of them. It could barely handle the tiny 4 bangers GM offered in them.
@kevintackett7564
@kevintackett7564 Ай бұрын
Stop the Vega Hate!! Facts are racist!! 4 Banger-phobe!! Engineering Nightmare Nazi!! GM Production Pride you alpha male chevy cheovanst !! I am so triggered I need my Body by Fisher fur baby and an AC Delco coloring diagram. My pronouns are IT IZ AYE ✌️UV 💩.
@shanebrbich5698
@shanebrbich5698 Ай бұрын
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Spoken like a true Ford guy ! Only kidding, you’re more than likely spot on! Here in Australia, we tend to fantasise on how good our “muscle cars” were! Fantasy being the optimistic word!
@therealimnotjiminy
@therealimnotjiminy Ай бұрын
Yet they were immensely popular and the people who built them had no problem with them. Weird!
@Wdm58
@Wdm58 Ай бұрын
I don’t recall the Motion cars in the 70’s, but I do remember someone in my neighborhood installing a 454 in his Vega. At the time, I drove a stock 70 Buick GS 455, and knew I would never want a big iron block in such a small car. I needed to be able to DRIVE it, curves and all.
@davidtruglow7381
@davidtruglow7381 Ай бұрын
In the 90s my friends had a repair shop and on the side they built v8 vegas and built Monzas. If you had a junkyard $150 vega, small block and a bellhousing with motor mounts from a Monza spyder plus a radiator that you could rig to fit it was off to crazy town! Cash for clunkers removed the ability for the average person to have a junkyard Frankenstein project. Thanks for the video.
@robertjohnson7342
@robertjohnson7342 Ай бұрын
I've Always Been A MOPAR GUY , and any Ford or Gm products SUCKED And Always Will!!! I had a 29 Ford chopped and chaneld 392Hemi , just the way I bought it!!! It ran 9-8 145mph!!! And I had 55,56,57, Chevy's SHOULD OF KEPT THEM ALL??? But I was young and dumb!!! MOPAR STILL RULES
@chrisdooley1184
@chrisdooley1184 Ай бұрын
I wonder was there a similar company doing upgrades to the Ford Maverick?? I much prefer the look of the Maverick but have never heard of anyone offering such extensive upgrades….
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Ай бұрын
I haven't heard of one either but that would be awesome!
@christianheidt5733
@christianheidt5733 Ай бұрын
Interesting question 🧐, I too would like to know if that was being executed!!!
@derektrieglaff9103
@derektrieglaff9103 Ай бұрын
​@@christianheidt5733... the only "hot rod shop" I know of that worked over ford mavericks was Holman Moody. They did several Boss 429 and just a couple of SOHC 427 mavericks. I'd like to say nobody ever made a "street car" all the ones they made was for the track. But hey, who knows... it was the '70s. I'm sure there were plenty of people rocking the block with their mountain motor mavericks. Just gotta find the right person to admit they were driving their Holman Moody maverick on the street.
@VineGrove123
@VineGrove123 Ай бұрын
I am 57. My older brother had a Maverick. I never saw one that was souped up or looked sporty.
@christianheidt5733
@christianheidt5733 Ай бұрын
@@derektrieglaff9103 but you could order with a 302, that's already a good start. I always found the maverick attractive as well. Unfortunately the old cars rotted out fast. Right now I'm driving 2010's 14 yrs old, 250,000kms, still driving like new cars. I going on to hate buying anything past 2012 though, that's when all the garbage starts. New cars are absolute garbage now, & 1/2 the price of a house 😒. Well that's my rant, take it easy bro, Have an awesome weekend!!!
@Appalachianamerican67
@Appalachianamerican67 Ай бұрын
My first 2 cars were Vegas.....anyways who doesn't regret not keeping the cars we had back in the day.
@user-HILINAH
@user-HILINAH Ай бұрын
this is one of the first times on you tube I was amazed,GOOD INFORMATION and so cool these dealership was 380 miles from my house.wow,I never knew about them vegas,Ive been spinning 1\2 inch and 10mm wrenhes for 25+ years.
@wxsawxsa2941
@wxsawxsa2941 Ай бұрын
MY FORD BOSS MUSTANG ONLY DID 140mph
@themightyx5652
@themightyx5652 Ай бұрын
mine 170mph
@therealimnotjiminy
@therealimnotjiminy Ай бұрын
In your dreams.
@georgetubbs8211
@georgetubbs8211 Ай бұрын
427 YES,454 NO
@Surrealblues
@Surrealblues Ай бұрын
I loved how it looked. The dimensions were perfect.
@martymcmannis6581
@martymcmannis6581 Ай бұрын
If I only knew then what I know now. I made this statement more than once. At 16, a v-8 Vega was my dream. Even living at home, I couldn't afford anything but small repairs for my own crappy car. Thanks for the memories
@graemesydney38
@graemesydney38 Ай бұрын
"V8 economy" car is an oxymoron.
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Ай бұрын
Hey it started at an economy car!
@jamesengland7461
@jamesengland7461 Ай бұрын
Any car weighing this little can get decent gas mileage.
@raynabozny2338
@raynabozny2338 Ай бұрын
In Detroit The Motor City it was THE BLACK GHOST 426 HEMI Challenger unless you ran into JOE with his ROUSH Built Mustang II on I-696
@rarecars3336
@rarecars3336 Ай бұрын
the mustang II was pretty light if I recall so that had to move out!
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman
@SquirminHermanthe1eyedGerman Ай бұрын
That bad ass ride sold for just over a million at last years auction
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