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If he didn’t he would have died, and so would have many more of his friends. The fight was selfish as much as It wasn’t.

You are WRONG. Gorr was trying to defeat Thor at the beginning of the film but understood he couldn't do so even with the Necrosword. And he understood Thor will do anything to protect his people during the fight. So he kidnaps all the children and move them to Shadow World where Gorr is more powerful and can defeat Thor when he comes to get the children. This strategy of Gorr works and Gorr managed to reach the Eternity but as Jane destroys the Necrosword, and the Necro Sword is no more corrupting Gorr and he can think freely and realise his chance to save his daughter rather than killing all the Gods. And he did it

You don't understand that a God is made by you believing they are. An alien with magical power that can live 5k + years didn't see themselves as gods. Humans called them that. Also most hopeless people want to be proven wrong so they can have hope again. People need hope but they need a reason to push on. He wants to be proven wrong. He wants love back in his heart instead of the ever growing hatred. That hatred is painful

@@abhi5540 You just proved his point right, and yours wrong, with “And he understood Thor would do anything to protect his people during the fight”.

Same with captain Marvel and the first two avengers movies. Fury had the call Button since the 90s.

@@paha4209 Captain Marvel could have happened after avengers and would have changed nothing... Just make Amanda a little bit older and that's it.

The Galaxy is so much bigger. And sometimes, everyone has their own shit to deal with.

@@danielramsey6141 Considering the Eternals were on earth scratching each other's asses, the definitely didn't have something else to do.

@@danielramsey6141 except Thanos affected the Entire Universe.... So anything anyone had going on would automatically be affected by Thanos... Even the birth of Celestials were affected by Thanos

This is a very good idea

^

That would have been a brilliant movie

Guardians*

It's amazing how they didn't use that. Peter Quill was someone rather well positioned to play a good supporting role here. Could have also nicely shown his overall character growth from where he was as a kid. But no, write him and the Guardians out before Jane even enters the picture and make zero use of that potential presence in the story.

Ironically this would have been a gratis way to combat "toxic masculinity". Men sharing trauma, feelings. But nah. Undress the bloke and girl Power from there on out.

Imagine a scene where Peter tries to tell Thor that he should try not to leave anything unsaid with Jane and he should take opportunity to spend as much time as possible with her because of how much regret he has from running away from his own mother as she died.

And it shows that you don't have to dial up the stakes with each installment. Sometimes going back to a small scale situation works great.

No way in hell that would have happened. That would mean making men seem like decent human beings.

@@richardsanchez5444 Correction: that would mean taking the film seriously, and we can't have that.

I’m not familiar with Gorr at all but with a title like “God butcher” I was questioning the lack of gods killed.

Bro gorr was literally Thanos on steroids in the comics 🙌

Yeah. Waititi should've used this chance to make a more dramatic story. I mean between Gorr, Jane Foster's cancer and her dilemma, the ingredients were in place for a darker, more personal tale. Unfortunately, Waititi and the writers felt otherwise.

dude. what? damn. any more factoids on Gorr? [[ 3 Thors at ONCE!? ]]

@@fxsantazo Well he captured and enslaved a younger version of Thor who he tortured for several years I believe and in an alternate time line was responsible for wiping out all of Asgard.

This annoyed me so much, I kept waiting for him to just use lighting

Literally the whole time on that shadow planet when Gorr was like “Summon the axe” I was practically shouting at Thor to just hurry up and Lightning his grey a**

Ignoring character arks and developments is one of the most frustrating things a story can do, I also feel your pain.

That idea got retconned in Infinity war. He had to get stormbreaker to beat Thanos, implying that he's indeed the God of Hammers and not lightning. He cannot summon his full powers without the hammer and axe.

I didnt even noticed that, now im more hurt....

11 guys in Sweden are named Astrid as their given name. But yes, that kinda irkked me.

omfg who caresssssss

​@@qwoovy2359zip it nerd

@qwoovy2359 it matters in the sense that when I first heard this description, I assumed the character was trans. It would've been awesome to see casual trans representation, especially transmasculine, especially a black person! but no, we got a lame senseless mera joke.

@@qwoovy2359 Because it’s weird? Why give a male a female name. You wouldn’t name a male character vanessa because that is not a name for a man

have you seen jojo rabbit? emotional, taboo-breaking, dark humour, oscar winning (or i think so) movie? it's been done by waititi. he is a superb director, just a shitty writer (especially if his creativity should be constrained by the rules of the existing setting (as in this case), but is not since he's been given way too much trust)

@@kretgwiazdonos7397 if it’s true this movie was cut in half for the kids

⁠@@kretgwiazdonos7397 that’s a great film but just because they’re both about horrible things doesn’t mean they’re the same. The point of jojo rabbit was to almost take the piss out of hitler, to turn him in to a joke and that’s what Waititi does well. Janes cancer story isn’t about making a joke about her illness. Waititi isn’t the right director to tell such a serious story like janes.

I was hyped for this. Zeus, Gorr, Lady Jane, all of it. I thought we would get another innovative spin on the tired Marvel formula, much like Ragnarok, and it’s unique style. This had potential to be a dark, disturbing, horror-esque story. With this being post Endgame, the stakes weren’t too high, the villain wasn’t too big, it would have been just right. Instead, I choose to forget this movie happened, or basically anything since endgame. The shows are meh, the movies range from awful to uninspiring, and the direction it seems they are going is completely uninteresting as a fan from the beginning.

you're

"He may have been your father, but he wasn't your daddy." --still one of my favorite Marvel lines

and didn't Guardians of the Galaxy 2 helped Chris Pratt to grieve over his father's passing?

@@NymeriaLupin damn

Don’t do that. Waititi is a really good director. And in Ragnarok, you care about Odin’s death. And the moment when Loki is revealed to be alive. The Valks all dying out. And even the destruction of Asgard is treated seriously. In this movie, he doesn’t make jokes around the cancer, especially right before the final battle. Or around Gor’s reasoning. There’s still serious moments. Just surrounded by and led up to by an insufferable amount of jokes

@@TubemastaC you’re joking right? There was no feeling in those events.

The mjolnir killing her was explained in the comics. The thing that bogs the movie down is the fact that she made mjolnir reassemble itself, and the fact that she already knows how to wield it like a pro.

@@cosmicluna5783 You can't rely on comics and third party media to explain plot holes in movies. Most people don't read the comics or know anything about them so your job as a writter is explain it in a natural way to the audience

To add to that, Mjolnir is better in its "broken" form, with the projection shenanigans. The entire Wakanda v Thanos battle would be over in two minutes. And also, Odin just told him he's not the God of Hammers, AND the axe is wayyy cooler man. Everything, from how it was forged, to how Thor wields it to stop Thanos is amazing. Not saying Mjolnir is unimportant to him. Just that he should be emotionally bound to Strombreaker as much as Mjolnir.

Also, the entire point of Hela shattering Mjolnir was "Fuck, she's really strong and means business. How is Thor gonna take her on without his weapon?" Those little pieces of character building are now retroactively destroyed and Ragnarok as a movie has been retroactively cheapened.

This movie was so fucking stupid. & the director didn’t give a shit about anything previously before. What a waste.

I was thinking about Hunt for the Wilderpeople and Boy, but I totally spaced that Waititi did Jojo Rabbit too! Such a masterpiece of a film... I just can't believe there wasn't something else going on in production on Thor 4...

Clout

After the last two Thor movies I’m genuinely convinced he just despises MCU and therefore cannot make a good faith effort when he works on it. Take those “community theater” gags mocking the previous movies. When he did it in Ragnarok I took it as dissing the previous team who worked on Dark world - not particularly professional move but at least understandable - but then he does exactly the same unfunny painful to watch gag again, this time targeting his own previous work. At this point I genuinely can’t find any explanation for that other than Taika doesn’t care for MCU, really doesn’t want to work on Thor but the money is just too good to refuse the job.

My theory is that he’s let the fame go to his head, and no one wants to tell him “no” when he has a bad idea.

Fame most likely. Though the guy seems like he's always been an insufferable twat. One of those people who think everyone loves them, but really can't stand to be around. >__>

That is the level of situational comedy that works great with Thor.

Great point

The Russos did thor amazing. Thor was at his best in infinity war, sadly endgame was a miss

He should've been the next "leader" after Cap's and Iron Man's death, but unfortunately....

@@Oskar0424 Exactly

@@Oskar0424Nah I don’t think he’d fit the role

He's playing himself.

Neil Drukkman lol

He obviously lacks self awareness.

@@WithoutForm911 unfair comparison

@@mahyardavarzani1945 nope

Phase 4 should have been a time to tell smaller scale stories with the heroes dealing with lower stakes. The problem the movies have now is that _every_ movie has to tell a big epic story. Not every comic book is about saving the world or the multiverse or the quantum realm or whatever. The movies being like that combined with no one taking anything seriously leads viewers to wonder what the point is.

Ragnarok was the start of the mcu downfall , they did something that worked for the standalone movie and roled with it for the rest of the mcu which ruined it in imo , if you watch beginning mcu vs current the two tones are night and day.

@@mrorganic13 Indeed, and I hated Ragnarok from the first viewing because of it. Thor isn't supposed to be a comedy / slapstick character, but more of a Greek tragedy, or Shakespearean (edit: it was Thor's niche in the MCU, and set those movies apart, which by itself supported the rest of the MCU)

The problem is adults watching silly children's movies and complaining that those movies aren't mature and respectful enough 😂

@@FINNSTIGAT0R arguably, children's movies should have superior writing, that respects its audience, not the opposite

Thats one small yet significant example in a long list of sad inconsistencies

And there even fighting each other like back in mom the director admitted to only using the scarlet witch as a villain was so no one else could use her

Maybe the directors should be required to at least see the previous movies 💀

Yeah, I mean, did Gordon Freeman’s crowbar cry after he picked up the gravity gun?

@@lingricen8077 no but the companion cube would cry if it sees Chell with someone else

Neither did the goats. That shit stopped being funny after two minutes, and they kept bringing them back!

and endgame mjolnir didn’t seem to mind being used by him or cap. Just crazy

@@ELeeHammThey were too fucking loud and annoying.

I mean, there was one scene in the movie that I felt did that. It was after the black and white planet stuff where Thor finds out that the hammer is weakening Jane's ability to fight off the cancer. He hears the status from the doctor, gets frustrated about his situation and punches the vending machine. Jane hears this and looks at the doorway to see Thor, all smiling and joking with a bag of snacks. That was, I felt, him using his humor as a coping mechanism. But, obviously, it should have been capitalized more in the film rather than just this moment.

@@sakethvenkatesh2492 I felt the same way. It was clear to me that’s what was happening, but I felt it could have been handled a bit better

@@sakethvenkatesh2492 that was legit the one moment in the film that gave me hope and made me feel something towards Thor.

I'm still holding my breath to see Berserker Thor caught in the grip of Warrior's Madness just one fucking time. He has the entirety of the odin force and he used it to LARP with some kids to barely beat an emaciated albino twin of Drax... People talk about Hulk being nerfed but nobody's talking about Thor being cucked despite him getting the biggest level up in the MCU.

If James Gunn made this movie, I think that is a scene we would have got. People criticize Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 for its humor, but they forget that when we get to the third act that Gamorra is reeling it back in when Peter tries to deflect serious topics with humor. The jokes in the third act of the movie are true to the character. Yondu’s death is treated with the weight it deserves and the movie ends on a heartfelt somber note. Love and Thunder tries to do this with Jane dying and Thor becoming a dad, but it’s undercut by superpowered kid shenanigans and a Korg monologue. I kinda wish the makers of Puss in Boots 2 handled this movie. Puss in Boots 2 is a very funny movie that’s also about the fear of loss and death, and they’re also trying to get to a Macguffin that grants any wish. However, it also knows when to step back and allow characters to talk or reach an emotional low point like with Puss’s panic attack. Death is what they tried to do with Gorr by having this omnipotent threat lingering in the background who steals every scene he’s in and makes the room so quiet that you can hear a pin drop no matter what happened in the previous scene. Gorr had the potential to be just as memorable as death and God knows Christian Bale is giving it his all, but he’s just not given enough to do.

I agree in the story the child is the problem - but the analogy fails because Waititi is a grown ass man

Most British parents don't teach or discipline their child for fear of being seen bad in the child's eye. They want to appear as a nice person. The child annoys all around them and the parents do absolutely nothing. A child once had an actual hammer and hit another kid in a play area. British people are very scummy at heart, look at how they adore Boris Johnson & Margaret Thatcher and hated Neil Kinnock, Michael Foot and Jeremy Corbin (but he has become a joke now).

@@graceyeah3926 Allegedly. "Adults" in this variant should've been other people, who usually are holding the leash on narc directors.

Aka Waipeepee time!

That's the same problem Ragnarok had. Slavery, the inevitable destruction of your entire planet, mass slaughter and the death of a family member were mostly treated as a joke. The only reason why Ragnarok worked is because everyone was getting tired of the overly serious thor, and Ragnarok at least took the heavier stuff more serious than L&T

@『W E A T H E R B O Y』 Yes, I had my issues with Ragnorock but still liked it and was o.k with it. But Love and Thunder is just bulit on all those issues and made them worse.

Imagine love persisting despite all the dark.

Don't forget about the 90s rock for a little bit of nostalgia bait. This movie was plain bad. I left the theater feeling nothing.

Considering in god butcher he basically went on a thanos style crusade against gods, it’s just disappointing

What A FUCKING WASTE

Especially when this movie is very gory, but they all bleed gold to keep the rating down. So they could have shown Gorr easily just cutting down gods by the dozens in horribly violent ways.

@@vehimouchas9743 I feel like marvel staying primarily pg-13 hurts them and their movies

@@lonelyloser9376 with 2 orgy jokes from zeus, VERY pg-13

The way he unceremoniously killed them off with little effort or fanfare was already pretty bad, but then he doubled down on the slap to the face by pissing on it too

I really doubt those characters were killed off with the intent to shit on previous writers and directors. The first two movies were really shitty and Thor needed to be fresh again, Ragnarok was a comedy so the already shitty characters were killed off in a comedic way. How did you get to the conclusion that Taika’s jealous and insecure? People just love making shit up nowadays LMAO Funny enough though his new Thor after Ragnarok felt way too excessive and went back to being shitty, even if not as much as the first two, but it’s also funny to see retarded comments like these 😂😂

@@qqNai What about Thor's friends made them shitty characters exactly? Also, what was "comedic" about their deaths? They just seemed more lazy than anything else.

Imo that isn’t true it was just a rushed movie and stupid decisions where made I personally loved thor Ragnarok it balanced the humor and the the main plot brilliantly and the humor didn’t take me out of the film too often while in this one it felt like a first draft script a first draft screenplay this shouldn’t have come out when it did and they should have worked on it for a few more months or years to flesh it out and that’s what is wrong with the movie industry now it’s not just marvel movies getting rushed and thus there are a lot gaps in logic that wherent thought of cus they wherent thinking about the actually story instead trying to get as much money as possible trying to rush flims to make money

This.

That brief moment at the beginning where Gorr is laughing alongside the gods, not realising that they are laughing AT him - that was brilliant and Ive no doubt that Bale improvised that detail.

Yeah, I loved Bale's performance, like always he gave in all, just to get smoked by the director and writers,

take away the kidnapper thing for gorr and he would have been the creepiest villain

Truth, I always underrate Bale but he is really good. In fact even in this he managed to keep the character on track and quite possibly was the only thing holding the whole thing together (if you can even call it that). Saying that I actually quite liked Crowe's Zeus character but completely out of place in this film - would watch something centred around him but not in the Marvel universe.

Didn't see TLT, but it is the same I feel regarding Cate Blanchett in Ragnarok. Hella is one of my favorite Thor's comic characters and the trailers showed Cate embraced the character... then Ragnarok happend.

That was always a bit of the fun about Thor. He comes from somewhere else and has different views and experiences. A great opportunity for situational comedy.

​@@HappyBeezerStudiosman I remember back in 2011 this was my favourite thing about Thor. Him coming down to earth and not understanding many customs and social rules. It really felt like a comic hero had woken up in reality

thanks for not lying

In real life? You know its not real right?

@@michaelelmes2135 I mean video essays criticizing her character. At least Wanda has a lot of them.

@@nont18411 yeah, and Wanda was literally corrupted by a book of pure evil, and no one except me is giving her any slack. I’m not saying what she did is justified, I just saw the SHEILD show and know what the Darkhold can do to a person, and a literal robot

@@deadpooldan9862 Not exactly, she was already a bad person before the Darkhold (Westview was 100% her fault, the darkhold only amplified her evilness) but you got the idea, at least someone called her out, unlike Valkyrie.

@@nont18411 again, she wasn’t a bad person before the Darkhold, yes, she made an entire town slaves, but she didn’t know that they shared her pain, and let them go when she knew she was torturing them, she would never willingly hurt people who didn’t deserve it before the Darkhold, the Darkhold turned her bad

I swear, just the sheer thought of that sounds amazing. I never really gave it much thought to begin with, but yeah, I'd totally love for that to happen.

Infinity war fixed that until you fools enjoyed endgame

@@seriousnesstv7902 Infinity War is the best Marvel film period. It's the most notable Marvel film that doesn't follow the typical "formula" that most of them do

The problem with marvel is it is vague on killing being a rule about superheroes. Some villains survive, some die. It poses no philosophical question to what it means to be a hero beside the fact that one arc has been wrapped, another is on the way. DCEU attempted this before but was hampered by Snyder's self indulgent writing - which didn't give the debate as much it needed to develop leaving it to the audience to piece together. Basically, Superman and Batman both start as people with conflicts about killing. Superman kills Zodd and feels guilty, but batman is killing people guiltlessly from a mental break that was teased but never developed - robins death. Then we find out some of Batman's killing is engineered by Lex(bat brands). They both come into conflict in the BvS over their methods. But remember Batman knows the hypocrisy in superman criticizing him for killing. He watched many die in his clash with zodd due to the disregard superman had to civilian casualties (ala civil war, which did a great job at exploring this). By Justice League, the focus shifted from human casualties to aliens which threw the whole arc out by making it okay to kill aliens cause you know, aliens. Something we also saw in infinity arc after civil war - none of these heroes care for alien casualties. Its been a whole murder fest since civil war with horrendous acts being excused because of the inherent message. Grief makes it okay for Wanda to leave a kill trail across the multiverse after enslaving a whole town - taking away from the reality of civil war that unchecked power is dangerous whether it be wielded for good or bad reasons....

All in all, they are speedrunning their source material for the grandeur, not the story. And most villains you'll see henceforth won't last unless they are some top tier big bad like thanos - who's power level has been dwarfed since endgame with the introduction of celestials, gods, and the multiverse so good luck with that I wish to them.

So it turns out that the Egyptians were right all along

​@@RoyalKnightVIIIthey forgot slifer the executive producer

Exactly. It's all about context. Have funny moment, have serious moments, but don't let one destroy the other. Think of the dance off. That was a great comedic moment. Or when Vision casually hands Thor the hammer, after all of them having a party trying to lift the thing. One is silent comedy where the fun comes from context, both in the scene and the wider universe. The other seems like gallows humor, but fits within context because it acts as a distraction. One is comedic to the audience, from the beat exactly before, the other is comedic in-universe, because of how badly timed it is. From their perspective.

You Can’t take away from a message if the movie doesn’t have one

Preach!

@@ichhabssatt 🍑

Yes but he also is very vain and his style just sucks, his two Thor movies are not funny at all. Thet also fail in many levels but the problem is also the direction feige and disney took the mcu.

Well Shylamalan lost his way when he got too big.

I feel like his current movies are a cry for help

Hey, Einstein. Where's Doc? ;P

Given that the character is most likely under Sony’s ownership, I’m not surprised they didn’t even mention Knull.

you can't do gorr without the knull storyline gorr is fundamentally tied to that

I have to disagree with that, having Jane's cancer be based off of an infinity stone will set a precedent that they could affect people and give cancer. There would be theories everywhere about Wanda, captain marvel and anyone else who came in contact with them having cancer. It's fine how it is but they should had taken it more seriously.

@@arielc.9081 Difference is that Jane isn't a meta human She's powerless, whereas those you mentioned have powers. You can just say their tolerance is higher or something

Also she reacted completely differently than someone with stage 4 would. My grandad had stage 3 and he couldn’t even move he was so tired and hurt.

@@arielc.9081 It WAS also a precedent that Infinity Stones were normally dangerous for humans (and other species/races), both in direct contact and just being in proximity. In fact, the Aether WAS slowly killing Jane (hence the urgency to remove it from her). The Infinity Stones all tended to emit Gamma radiation aka the same thing that caused things like Hulk and Abomination. Radiation can cause cancer.

That’s honestly what I thought it would be when I first heard about the cancer thing

Problem is..Taika doesn't read comics..and is making movies to piss off people who do.. funny thing is, when asked about his bad comedic tone of Thor in L+T.. he used a tweet of someone defending him on this, showing a comic panel of him dancing with Luke cage.. problem.is..that was a Deadpool comic, and in Deadpool comics aren't so much Canon, he's always taking the piss of marvels heroes.. also, that scene, was when he was being mind controlled.. lol.. sadge..

@@darianstarfrog He did say he would ruin our mythos in a minute. He delivered.

Tbf Hemsworth was heavily disliking the character before Ragnarok and didn’t really want to continue the role. Then Ragnarok came out where he was able to have fun with the character, and now he wants to continue the role until they don’t want him to. So if Ragnarok was planned to be a serious movie like TDW, Thor would probably be out of the MCU by now.

@@vinny9256 honestly that's what I wanted, for Thor to get a proper trilogy and send off in Endgame with the rest of the avengers, instead we got...Taika completely disregarding all that made Thor: his friends, his family, his home, his values, his development.

@@vinny9256 Nothing wrong with leaving a character if he's disinterested with it, the problem that I see is that Hemsworth is now Thor much more than an actual actor, see people nowadays can't differentiate the actors from their characters cuz it's the only one they've ever seen for such a long time from him... some even say it's all he's got and without it he'll fall off faster than Waititi dropping the ball on this movie.

Taika's problem is he's not as funny as he thinks he is, and he's a quarter as clever as he believes he is. Valkerie is completely unlikable and should have been left on planet trashheap, I know its name but I will not stain Planet hulk by calling it Sakarr so it's planet trashheap. His humor seems to revolve around patting himself on the back and being a smarmy jerk you have the urge to punch. He's really his character from Free Guy.

TAIKA IS A JOKER AND SPOILS EVRYTHING HE TOUCHES, HE'S A NARCISSIST! A FCK A-HOLE!!

Taika David Cohen?! Yeah, it's true what they say about them: They will cry out while they are striking you..

@Nick Gur fuck you asshole, there are much more anti semites out there being a worse person that Taika is

@Nick Gur f uck you as shole, there are much more anti semites out there being a worse person that Taika is

@Nick Gur what the fuck are you talking about?

That’s actually way better than what we got (and that’s coming from someone who liked the movie)

That's...That's... actually really good

@@bgcm1995 thanks

should've been on the writing team.....

Banger

This is crazy

Very insightful and I think you’re spot on.

Kinda true but multiverse of madness wasn't great either even tho I recall benedict cumberbatch saying that he doesn't want to Play doctor Strange for ever because he doesn't want to be limited to the role or smth.

Chris himself wanted thor to be more comedic

You've summed up how I feel perfectly. We had the epic conclusion to the videogame story and even sat through the credits. Now we've been tossed back into the game world again but all the best characters are gone and all we can do now is wander around an empty world picking up things we don't really care about. It's time to let go and I have (with both marvel and star wars).

Scarlet Witch is one of the most popular characters in Marvel. I knew Gorr was just a throway character.

@@meia1855 Gorr is so popular too in the comics, Taika just didn't know what to do with him

Wanda was written like shit in MoM, but at least she was threatening for a while (no matter how dumb it was)

She’s a wasted villain imo. Scarlet witch should’ve been an Avenger level of threat, not Dr Strange alone. That woman is thousand times stronger than Thanos and can erase the X-men on her own. In Wandavision, it should’ve set up a good villain origin for her but instead trying to make her sound like a hero “sacrificing” for people 🤦🏻‍♀️

Because Raimi is actually a good director

(Months late I know) My hope was that CH was contracted to doing a certain number of films and did this just to get out of the contract

Contracts have a funny way of convincing people to do and say things they would likely not under normal circumstances.🤷‍♂️

I remember an interview with him where he said everyone one set had too much fun filming they didn't realize what was being made, if I remember correctly he said that they wished they were more serious (again this is from memory so I could be wrong)

The paycheck was indeed hefty to be sure

1 word: contracts

Oh absolutely true. Taika is so in love with himself and pats himself on the back so much for his 'cleverness' that his shoulders must constantly hurt.

And then Khorg is gay, because of course he is 🙄.

Finally someone is saying that. Not only I can't stand his movies or his acting, but even during interviews he strikes me as the most superficial unempathetic person i've ever seen.

That Oscar win went straight to his head, and it shows.

@@nicohope4 He's fucking clown lmao. Acts like 6 year old.

Exactly. Dehumanizing modern men to appease modern women (who aren't being dehumanized, at least not in the western world) is the worst brand of social "justice."

Perfectly stated. I was going to make a similar response to this effect but decided to scroll the comment section to see if someone already did. You succinctly summed up my thoughts and saved me roughly three minutes, so thanks. 👍

Totally agree. Waititi actually pressured Hemsworth similarly in _Ragnarok_ playing it off as "yes, you actually are a piece of meat" joke. It shouldn't be happening to any actors regardless of sex. Waititi's immature attitude to basically anything might have looked refreshing but it overstayed its welcome.

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Just to jump in here - I don’t disagree with this, and in fact, the point I made - or tried to make - in the review wasn’t predicated on taking a side. I think the problem with both arguments is selective outrage. On the one hand, people who’ve spent years happily enjoying films that do this with women have become very upset that it’s being done to Thor. They (rightly) point to the double standard on which the other side’s argument is based - these are the people who ordinarily argue against objectification per se but selectively disapply that standard when a male character is objectified, on the grounds that the former group has spent years happily enjoying the objectification of women. Ergo, to them, “acceptable vengeance.” The problem is we’ve all become more prudish without developing any consistent system of thought to support it. My own view is that sexual objectification is universal and natural, and attempts to yeet it from art and culture - kickstarted by Feminists, it must be said - are innately flawed. The key consideration, as you’ve mentioned, is the question of consent.

Noooo you can't just say that and not expand on it a bit more?? Or at least tell me where I'd find more writing on Clement, I don't know much about him

They didn’t care for most things from the past.

THANK YOU. I mean jeez I would be fine if it was that way from the beginning but he literally said that. Taika HIMSELF said those line.

The director is following Disney's formula about homosexuality and I hate how Disney plus is pushing that crap way too much.

@@Thespeedrap You mean that "Homosexuality in name only" crap, give a couple background characters a couple lines about how they have a boyfriend or some gas, just make Korg gay, make him super fucking gay but Disney won't because a lot of anti-gay countries like Marvel movies I guess. So progressive!

@@mr.alpharius6409 of course.

I don't get Tessa Thompson either. She can't really act but then she's not so beautiful that all she has to do is stand there and be hot. Whar is the point with her?

Put my thoughts into words right there - what made ragnarok a fun goofy movie was that you could still somewhat connect to thor as a lovable himbo, because that builds on his fish-out-of-water arc, but this movie just reduced him to an idiot with comical facial expressions, bickering with his axe....like cmon man..

The same things you are seeing now are why I didn't like Thor from Endgame. They ceased to take the character seriously at all at that point, if not before. You can't simultaneously portray him as pitiable and also a fat clown to be made sport of. It's trying to do tragedy and comedy at the same time. It doesn't work.

So… you don’t want character growth? You just want the characters to remain the same all the time? Seems boring

@@hitthegoat ¿En serio eres tan idiota? Mantener la esencia de un personaje (respetar los principios básicos de cómo funciona el ser humano, con una psicología creíble y un arco sólido) no tiene nada que ver con que "el personaje sea igual todo el tiempo". Tanto Thor como Loki, por ejemplo, cambiaron en las primeras películas sin perder la esencia: Thor pasa de ser un joven arrogante que no se detiene a pensar en las consecuencias de sus actos a un hombre mucho más sabio y reflexivo; Loki tiene un arco dirigido a pensar más en los demás y ver cómo puede alcanzar sus objetivos egoístas por un camino heroico. No hace falta destruir por completo lo que eran para que haya evolución y se mantengan interesantes.

@@hitthegoat You say that as if it's impossible to do character development terribly.

Agreed. Actually enjoyed Free Guy, to me he also has a very punchable face.

Seems Waiti is the next Rian Johnson where he excels more at original works than franchises?

I would’t go that far since Reservoir dogs was great and i’ve heard great things about Our flag means that. I think he’s just stretched too thin.

Reservoir Dogs? That's of *Tarantino*

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Would it help if the goats doesn't scream at all?

@@georgeray1906 Yes

Its a sad attempt. Thors goats were used as food and revived every morning. But they didnt stick with anything else really so lol

​@@ELeeHamm No. Mythology is simple minded people trying to explain what they don't understand. He didn't really need to have goats in the MCU because he's not doing a 1:1 of the Norse mythology.

@@pascalsimioli6777 Mythology is dope though

Thank you!

This. I also feel the same about Valkyrie… but for the opposite reason. Her name is Valkyrie? Is she… the only one? Like I realize they are not just making a Norse mythology film, but why name her after a GROUP when there are so many appropriate figures whose names you can plagiarize?

@@KhorneBrzrkr Same reason Thor states one moment that he always looked up to the Valkyries since he was a child, and then says “about time a female fighting force existed” or some woke shit like that. Because Waititi is a moron who can’t bother to study what he’s writing for.

Yeah but the spell on the hammer basically says whosoever is worthy will be Thor

@@Dariusissocool “Will have the powers of Thor”, there is a difference between gaining powers and appropriating someone’s name as your own. Steve Rogers was still Steve/ Cpt America while holding the hammer.

Wait, doesn’t he come back in Endgame? He snatches the Tesseract in the time-travel sequence and disappears.

I disagree...the Loki from Thor is the real core character. Everything is just a cartoonist gimmick..especially The Avengers. You just don't like MORE of the gimmick. Loki is Loki.

@@TheLittlePlatoon in Endgame, that's the 2012 Loki that nabs the cube and gets away, BUT it doesn't really matter considering in the span of an episode Loki is already unforgettably identical to our "Original" Loki. Basically, they ate their cake and kept it too.

@@grngrn7319 They stopped caring about continuity quite a while ago

@@grngrn7319 Loki's character development in the Disney+ show is a mess. However that's not the point of my comment. TVA version of Loki is entirely detached from Thor from Love and Thunder. If he wants to have a tattoo dedicated to his dead brother, that fine, because Loki is dead to him. No character in the main timeline is aware of the TVA.

Doesnt Bruce Banner have a pretty rough time aswell, among other things attempting to Thanos snap himself with a bullet, only for Hulk to spit it back out

@@themug406 Banner's struggle with depression is pretty intense, but the MCU doesn't clown on him. They give him a *beautiful* girlfriend who he has a very stable relationship with, who seems to genuinely care for him as a person and not just as a giant green might machine. He makes deep and personal friendships, he's never really tokenized in the way he fears he would be -- in Avengers 1 he *fully* suspects, even *understands* that S.H.I.E.L.D brought him in because they want Hulk, not Banner. Over course of the films, that self depreciating view, that view of "They want Hulk, not me" is flipped on its head for the most part. *MOST* people want *BANNER* which, seemingly, has quite a positive effect *ON* him, since his suicidal tendencies slip off... _Until Thor: Ragnarok decides to play that shit for laughs..._ but then, that just circles around to what I was saying about Thor.

Fat shaming is funny only if you are men.

Welcome aboard!

Waititi with the MCU is like Slippin Jimmy with a law degree

What a sick joke

This chicanery? He's done worse...

And HE gets to be a filmmaker??? WHAT A SICK JOKE

That was beyond dumb.

Honestly that was one of the few things that I liked. It made sense to me that Thor could give power to others, it was kinda foreshadowed by him unknowingly placing the enchantment on Mjolnir to protect Jane, and it is very similar to what Odin did with Thor's own power in the first movie. Also, it felt really funny that Thor was actually using child soldiers, way funnier that all the "jokes" in the movie.

It was absurd. But after how absurd the entire movie was, I allowed myself to embrace it lol

@@hugotrojanovsky7667 yeah, in Endgame, Cap gains the power of Thor whilst wielding Mjolnir, and enchantment of various items has been shown to be a skill that a lot of Asgardians have, so the actual principle is fine in that scene.

Why did you pay money to watch that obvious trash?

Christopher Eccleston deserved so much better than what the writing did for him.

Finally, someone who sees that The Dark World isn't bad

Thor, who is not only an asgardian god but a royalty among them, has been reduced to a court jester. Now, he DOES NOT exude authority, royal princely or kingly image, majesty, or awesome godliness. He is just portrayed as a dumb clown.

Ikr. Thor Was supposed to loosen up a bit an become more introspective, more aware with his place in the world and wisened by his experience. Thor was a chracter that was just as stoic a warrior as any good Sword and Sorcery characters, he hearkend to them while also having a tinge of warrior philosopher. In his recent films? He is super hero squad Thor.

Boring garbage movie

Agreed, it was well-put. Sincerity requires vulnerability, but if that's not allowed, the movie ends up shallow.

Indeed. It’s spiralling out of control and it’s becoming increasingly difficult to see how it could be put back together again.

Every? He's only done 2

@@ninjanibba4259 more than enough

@@anom6707 no argument there, it’s time for someone else to take care of Thor and give him the treatment he deserves, I was seriously excited to see this movie cuz the trailer gave me fun but wholesome vibes, meaning I thought Thor would be on a quest while becoming the hero and finding his confidence again….

@@ninjanibba4259 agreed I thought it be more of finding self and relate to some ppl that feel lost and everything and bring more depression elements of the cancer and of the time we have left with the ppl we love it felt bland but funny ngl

I was surprised that people were shocked by how bad Love and Thunder was. I mean, Taika was praised for doing this to the Thor franchise. Isn't This what people wanted?

"As bad as the directors/writers that you're taking revenge on"... no, it doesn't. It makes you worse. Before we had the excuse that "sex sells and it is normal"... so those things would be considered fine, now "we" decided as a society that those ideas no longer apply, so the action becomes objectively worse since we are now "aware" of how "harmful" it is. Also, to "take revenge" implies some sort of "evil intent" behind it, while in truth people were just a lot more ok with certain things in general... someone "Enlighted" by today's standards would've been seen as insane / extremely oversensitive in the past, not as a "better person" (by most men and women).... and by past I mean 15 years ago. Let me put it this way: You could be a good person at heart and own a slave in ancient times since they didn't even have the concept of human rights (even tho the action on itself was always wrong , it was normal across all races and civilizations) ... there is ZERO way of being a good person at heart and owning slaves today (Tho disney will ignore it, it if gives them more money).

@@ricardokojin7 Well said.

This comment is invalid since Chris Hemsworth WANTED this scene to happen

@@Error_-ct2vp Even IF (big if) that is true, It doesn't matter...it is not about what he wants, it is about it how the viewers believe it is ok or not. It is about how we as a society accept sexualization for profit

@@ricardokojin7 Well said, the same thing could also be said about our generation by the generations that come after us. 30-40 years later, they might see certain things that we did as outrageous and immoral but we might call them insane or extremely oversensitive.

Those stakes seem a little underwhelming for more than one or two movies

I still feel like the Mandarin in Iron Man 3 was one of the best twists they did with the MCU. Build him up as this threatening, powerful villain. Only to then turn him into an actor that is hired to play villain. The twist villain that turns out to be neither a villain nor of any significance at all.

That is how I think about both Zack Snyder and Joss Whedon. Both have their particular style, the kind of media they are really god at making. But give them something else, and it falls apart. Heck, even JJ Abrams can be good, when given the right work. People like to joke about his lensflares and give him hate with how he treated both Star Trek and Star Wars, but his TV productions are pretty good.

Making anything nonsense ultimately nothing matters if Zeus bolt doesn't kill u meanwhile in comics its other stories.

@@words007 tf did you mean by this

@@words007 i had a stroke reading this

@@itsyo8871 lol, i dont remember writing this, maybe i was drunk 🤔 all i know is i hated the movie and my buddies hated it as well. 🤣

Brilliant point. An awful lot of this comes down to whether or not said magic is integral to the plot. I’ll have to go look up Mr(?) Sanderson.

The first law is specifically: "An author's ability to solve conflict with magic is DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL to how well the reader understands said magic." If the readers don't understand the magic system, they won't understand the stakes.

Sanderson is awesome!

Brandon Sanderson

You can, but wiyhth some logic. If Thor imbued kids with power of Zeus we wouldnt make a fuss. Gandalf solved many problems with magic but always with some consequences. He saved fellowship from balrog but he died, he got reborn but he is different character etcetc. You have to have checks and balances

Sounds like an Adam Sandler movie

Christian Bale saved this movie. Take him out & it’s very forgettable. And he’s barely even in it as is so that’s saying a lot.

His humor is just slapstick and “hee hoo look how dumb the characters are”

Sounds like the modern media meta.

Sounds like a transformer movie

As someone who still enjoyed the movie aside from flaws damn that would've been better

Its so fucking scary when some random commenter on youtube (not meant in a bad way to you by the way) can come up with something more intimidating and compelling than a fucking movie director

@aqua yess literally prolly ain’t even take him long

Or her

@@aquacron4548 it's also kinda sad just how many people in these comments genuinely can do a better job just with stuff off the top of their head

Which Phase 4 movie is bad besides Eternals? Because I saw all of them and thought they were all good movies

@@deadpooldan9862 All of them except No Way Home kind of sucked.

@@dannypalin9583 agree to disagree, the only one that sucked was Eternals

I was thinking the same thing. Jane having cancer and Thor dealing with his feelings about could have made for a great movie. Gorr going on his quest to kill all gods and Thor having to prove that not all gods are worthless and living up to his potential could have also made for a great movie. But they squashed together both stories into one supremely rushed, incoherent script, then cut like half the material, and then expected that to please fans? No, this movie was a disaster waiting to happen from the very beginning.

@@deadpooldan9862 They could have been better. Doctor Stranger feels disconnect and have bad pacing and plot... They could have saved Wanda (because they didn't explored much of the Dark Hold Corruption) and use Mordo as a villain (too many sorcerer in the multiverse let's kill them all). Stranger doesn't feel powerful as his was fighting Thanos (even without the stone he put up a fight)... America has almost no personality and desires they could have use the mothers more as a motivation, also why not have Wanda offering the mothers in exchange of America powers (just to be a trap and try to kill her). I'm glad you enjoyed but it could have been so much more...

And if thor could suddenly give away his powers to those kids why didn't he do that in infinity war or endgame? Or any of the other movies

The same way it gave powers to Cap in Endgame or to Thor himself in first Thor movie. Waititi pulled this crap out of his ass in Ragnarok and contradicted the first movie and the comics. And then in Love and Thunder he went and contradicted his own previous movie. The guy is a clown and he doesn't give a fuck.

Didn't Odin also cast magic to Mjolnir in the first Thor movie when he threw away wherein he said something along the lines that whoever is worthy enough to hold the hammer, will be granted the powers of Thor??

The Spell Odin casted on Mjolnir gives any person worthy of wilding it the powers of Thor. That's the spell, and that's why it's activated alongside the spell Thor casted on it. That spell also implies that Thor has his own thunder powers of his own. That's what he found out during Ragnarok, and has been perfecting after it.

@@riahw3750 He probably wasn't in tune with his powers that much as he is now, or maybe it was enabled to that magnitude thanks to Thunderbolt itself.

Alinksy's Rules for Radicals. WEF. ESG/DEI.

😂, Damn...that was a mic 🎤 drop. And says a lot of your disappointment. I share your sentiment 😔

You didn’t think that because Morbius is one of the movies of all time and grossed a morbillion dollars

Hit movie Morbius ✨

same, add Minions to the mix and I feel guilt-free spending my money (yes, I never thought I'd defend Minions over Marvel but here we are)

Expectations

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I’m glad we got another pillar in this wonderful universe of accurate commentary

It's funny that you think you are not doing that very thing right now.

Just as Thanos could have snapped fingers and created boundless resources for all.

@@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself why think about other alternatives when you can just take the easy way out and kill people!!!! - Thanos, Gor

​@@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself But there's the question of how do you constitute boundless resources for all? What does that entail? Resources such as water and metal have mass. So just adding that mass to planets to meet "boundless use and growth" would raise their gravity to the point of becoming unlivable, wouldn't it? Does it just create more new planets? Where are those planets? Considering everything in space is a cosmic game of pinball, those planets cannot be put too close to the planets with life without radically altering the orbits of other planets in the system through their own gravity, or radically moving things about. Keeping those planets of resources too far away from species too primitive for at least interstellar travel would be unfair and no longer meet the requirements of "boundless resources for all" right? And what if those planets start incidentally seeding their own life through natural means? So where is the line drawn? And such a massive wish compared to something far more simple like cutting life in half after the growth of said life had finally started slowing down would require far more effort or power. I'm pretty sure Thanos chose the less complex wish with far fewer variables.

@@epicdeadalus4345 Thanos had the infinity gauntlet he could have wished all those lines to draw you mentioned meaningless.. the gauntlet is already boundless it's power is infinite... like seriously are you serious?

I'd like to know how Eternity was turned into a genie that grants a single wish.

We have to forget Thor 2 exists, because in it, Odin says to Loki, "We are NOT gods." And that just gets in the way of Waititi's narcissism, after all.

Helena is underrated. The dark world play in the movie was actually one of the better parts

Should be frigg not freya. Freya is a vanir goddess. But that’s in Norse mythology it might be different in marvel idk.

Thank you! I thought I was like the only person in the universe who appreciated the more serious tone of the first two movies. I remember when Kenneth Branagh did an interview about the first Thor movie, he described it as a Shakespearean family drama in space. And I personally thought it worked, because you had two exceptional actors who had classical training (Hopkins and Hiddleston) just giving it their all. Sure the plot was meh and the villain in the second one was just bullshit, but goddamn the family drama between Loki and Thor was just everything. But then Ragnarok came along and it was like whiplash. I enjoyed it, it really was a decent movie as far as marvel movies go, but the sudden change in tone really irked me. The fourth one was just an absolute clusterfuck. Like they couldnt have one serious moment because Taika thought it would be 'boring'. Dude, seriously, a guy losing his daughter and slaughtering innocents is boring? Get help for fuck sake. These moments need to be serious, otherwise, there are basically zero stakes. Which is exactly what happened.

Thats my fav actually... Cant understand the hate