Was "normal" the ideal word to use? No. Do I think the driver meant anything by it? Also no.

Im a big woman, like a BIG woman. I have big friends. When we ride in a traditional 5 seater (driver, shotgun, two back seats, and the hump seat) that become a 4 seater, no one can sit on the hump. If we were ordering an Uber and there was more of us, it makes sense we would need the clarification of adequate space. That's the reality of being this size. Yeah, it's our own faults, which is why it's our responsibility to source accommodations. The driver did nothing wrong.

It could have also been a language barrier and their sentence structure messed up during translation. Like, "normally 6 people, yes".

along with this, a lot of people who do drive share stuff do not speak english as a first language & a lot of people don’t think about this.

As a plus sized woman with disabilities, I don't particularly like the word "normal," but i am also a grown adult who understands how shorthand works.

As a rideshare driver myself, this is why I use a dashcam and document everything. Passengers do way too much to report drivers. Granted their are problematic drivers but passengers will try to get you fired for not giving them extra stops without paying, not giving your number to them, not letting them ride with a small kid without a car seat. I actually did get a passenger that was upset my car was too small for them. It’s a rough ride

i’ve been plus sized my whole life, i highly doubt “normal” was intended to be offensive, it was probably just sent quickly without thinking. He was answering her question objectively imo. I would never take that as fatphobia.

“and you know it’s pretty bad if IM saying you shouldn’t get pissed off, I’m pissed off all the time” LMFAO girl me too

Would she rather a 2020 Nissan four door pull up and then 5 larger people realize in the moment that they won't all fit?

When are people going to learn that being offended is all the time is a terrible personality trait. It also takes away from situations that actually warrant being offended.

She's mentioning media literacy when it has nothing to do with this?? She just using unnecessary words

My husband has a prosthetic leg which does not fit well in smaller cars because the leg is actually too long for the car. That would not be a “normal” person either. He has to have a larger vehicle.

I have to agree with the tweet. I’m a plus size one myself I’m really tired of some of these conversations. She is not secure with herself so she took the word “normal” as offensive. I am so I immediately assumed he meant normal as in no accommodations or otherwise unreasonable add ons…

I don't understand the problem with what the lyft driver said - he was clarifying the loading capacity of his vehicle on customer request. Will the car fit six people? It depends on the size of the people because that's how mass and space work. If it's six Amberlynns, no the car can't fit them. Simple answer.

In an ideal world, he would have said something like, "6 people if nobody requires any special accommodations/spacing." but a) if he was ESL that is some unlikely wording (I'm a native English speaker and it took ME awhile to settle on that wording, I can't imagine coming up with it when shooting off a quick text) and b) tbh she probably would have been pissed off about that, too. Some people are ready to be angry at the drop of a hat.

I think personally it’s so much more harmful to throw around the term “fat phobic” why are we suddenly throwing around therapy buzzwords anyway it’s so cringe

When I read the screenshot, I thought "Probably doesn't fit 6 tall people." - regards a tall daughter from a tall family. My parents had to sell our 5 seater Citroën and bought an 8 seater Nissan when my brother was born :D And in there you'd be very squished in the back. (no space for additional suitcases) People always interpret from their pov. For me it's height, for her (if she's plus size?) it's weight. Taking interpretation as the truth is always a bit dangerous in my opinion.

This person made a whole lot of something out of nothing, someone didn’t get enough attention as a child 🤯😂

She's projecting. She knows she is overweight and isn't happy with it. Can't stand "professionally offended people"! 😅

I’ve also come across some shorts with really tall people, and they have trouble finding cars that are comfortable for them. Not everything has to be about weight

How would a driver even say it in a non-possibly offensive way? Especially when responding in a timely manner? “6 non-overweight people”… “6 non-plus sized people”? Because personally, I do think the driver was responding regarding weight. But why would that be such a bad thing? If I cannot fit 6 obese people in my car, that’s information you should have ahead of time.

She talks about people online jumping to conclusions due to poor media literacy (ie. taking her at her word) after jumping to conclusions due to poor actual literacy.

Yeah I seen this situation and was flabbergasted. It’s really a perfect display of the over-sensitivity of some people in this generation. Not everything has to have a deeper meaning.

Yeah, I've noticed for a while that storytime-like stuff has changed. I think it's linked to the fact that we seem to use the internet differently. I've seen a lot of people overshare and blow out of proportion things that, before, would have been discussed with close friends at lunch. I think people forget that they're literally showing the entire world their dirty laundry in perpetuity. Why? I think it's because everyone can be tabloid-worthy now and mass validation is more enticing than that of a friend. Of course, the internet's thirst for drama and inherent nosiness doesn't help.

She's failing to realise that she told the world she was going to dm lyft. It doesn't matter that she changed her mind. People saw those tweets and it was the last they knew. Unfortunately not everyone is going to get the "update" that she didn't. It's not fatphobia to call someone out on what they said they were going to do. 🙄 It's also not fatphobic that vehicles have size limits. There's genuine reasons for these limits. I'm reminded of the teenage boy who was allowed to get a ride he was too big for. That poor child.

Gosh this lady is being f***ing precious. Imagine feeling this important

Another words, she doesn’t like her weight or looks herself and projects her insecurities on everyone and everything.

All of this couldve been avoided if she just responded "normal people?" Or smthn

In my head it automatically insinuates like adults versus kids and babies because they take up way more room w their car seats. But also that the driver wasn’t a native English speaker.

Im pretty big and I definitely would’ve just been like "ok great thanks"

Can these lawn chairs support 400 lbs? How dare you!

Body positivity influencers really are the most miserable torn faced whinges. Every single time. I’ve never known an entire group of people that claim to be so happy all the time yet they do absolutely nothing but whine any chance they get.

It's an absolutely reasonable word to use. There's a reason that everything we consider to be outside that "normal" has a READ code and standard recommendations for treatment or management. There's also the fact that the car seats were designed a particular standardised way that we can reasonably say is for a normal person.

Did the Lyft customer even STOP to consider that English may NOT be this person’s originally language? Normal might be the first word they reach for when meaning of “average size”???? Edit: Ahhh I see it was brought up in the video. Totally agree that anyone send Anyone sending death threats should be banned from using X, tik tim etc… it’s disgusting.

The issue is people see discrimination where they want to see it. You could have done everything in your power not to offend someone, and at the end of the day if they decide you offended them, you did. Not saying that tiktoker was in the right, because she wasn't, but I'm sure people know what I'm getting at here. There's no way that man could have spoken to her that would have worked out well, and if it wasn't him it would have been someone else. She woke up and chose violence.

Normal is being used as a synonym of average-sized, and it may hurt some people but I don't think it had any bad intentions behind. That's it.

People too sensitive

Lyft did confirm that she didn't report them or get them fired, soooo...

Also the "normal" couldve meant height. So like 5'5 to 6'1. Longer legs require more space

THANK YOU. Faith is constantly making everything an issue about being plus sized and it’s tiring.

Yeah, calling people "normal" and excluding specific groups is not good. Examples: it would be like saying "normal people vs. gay people" Or "POC vs. normal people." Or "autistic people vs. normal people." To imply a group of humans is "not normal" has inherently negative connotations. Think about how often you hear people pointedly say, "omg that is NOT normal" when trying to imply someone is being insane or stupid. There is usually a better word to use. Such as "typical" or "average." That is, if there isn't already a word specifically there to avoid otherizing entire groups.

I’m plus sized too, but “grievances”? What? In Australia there’s so much worse you could get told from a driver. Even by misunderstanding. Really and truly, even as a 28y/o here, you could say nothing and someone will cancel you for blinking. This is why I really only complain for other people if they want to, but not as much for myself. Why are younger generations also kind of just so entitled about these things… what was the reason behind dragging it out so much.

Can people please stop assuming that their biggest insecurity is everybody else’s most hated attribute, biggest pet peeve, or raison d’etre when it comes to passing judgement or just being an A-hole in general? Remember what they say about assuming things? The sad part is that this driver was very likely trying to SAVE himself from getting a bad review. Undoubtedly, he was worried about what might happen when he shows up and is unable to accommodate multiple passengers along with all their shit because he didn’t bother to specify under which circumstances he could/could not accommodate six people. Having said all the above, what bothers me the most about this “story time” (well, aside from how ridiculously silly the whole thing is) is the level of condescension with which the OP addresses her followers/reaseders. No, we are not supporting far phobia by default for speaking on behalf of the driver, nor are we fat phobic ourselves if we don’t support OP. What an absurd thing to say and the tone OP takes makes my blood curdle. Does she truly believe we are unable to comprehend the intricacies of such a subtle and politically nuanced situation? Obviously, OP completely missed that it’s not that we don’t comprehend…it’s that we don’t get why she thinks the situation deserves to be taken so seriously. Frankly, when the dust cloud of BS settles, OP is the only one with a problem. Her problem is unreasonably thinking everyone else is as focused on her weight and how it makes her feel as she is.

This is one of my biggest problems with the fat acceptance community. Everything is ALWAYS fatphobia when in reality, its not. Even if the guy said he didnt want obese people in his car, thats not even fatphobic. 6 obese people in a car can quite literally damage the car. For example, there is a creator here on KZfaq called Amberlynn reid. She is 500lbs+. 2 out of 3 of her exs had their cars totaled JUST from her riding shotgun. She literally ruined their cars. Totaled them. Not only did the dude not ever say anything about anyone being fat, but even if he did, theres totally logical reasons for it. Im disabled, so the "6 normal people" to me i honestly thought of disabled people with disability aids (wheelchairs, walkers, service animals, etc) like i dont get how they flip everything to ALWAYS be "fatphobic" its super frustrating.

My first thought was definitely that the driver wasn't a native English speaker and didn't understand how using the word "normal" could come off. But even if he was a native English speaker it could still easily be just a case of clumsy wording.

my first thought is they meant people who wont be rude or loud, since rude people who genuinely harass the drivers happen a lot

Lifts have a weight limit, so if you put 12 average in there all is okay. Or maybe six average people with a lot of stuff. The issue is that when people are, ahum, "fluffy" average doesn't counts. For weight and size they count as TWO or more. So you can only put six "fluffy" people or less in the same lift. Same works with cars, with limited space.

She clearly doesn't understand the meaning or irony in using the words 'media literacy'.

Don't know if you've stepped inside a Wal-Mart lately, but what would have once been considered "sideshow-worthy obesity" is pretty much just "average American size" now... So as far as I can tell, "fat" IS the new "normal."

ummmmm...Houston we have a problem!? Where am I?????????? I woke up with my head on top of a kettle ball. Life, it aint 4 everyone! 😆

Oh love the shirt.

Now a days, having valid criticisms/concerns labels one as a hater/something-phobic 😒

So should cars no longer be described as "five seater" or "seven seater" that could be seen as "fat phobic" too 🙄🙄

She's calling people she doesn't know, angry incels right off the bat. It's pretty much a guarantee she's the whole problem....

Some people just look for reasons to complain and feel oppressed. It's annoying and unnecessary.

Someone’s blatant insecurities are showing 🙈 She’s definitely self projecting on the few words of a stranger. How do people this sensitive make it through day to day life? I don’t understand it. This look is a FAVE, you slay that hair color, and the make up is *chefs kiss* 😘

Normal in this case (and many others) was likely just used to mean average. I don't believe there was any harm meant by it. (Most of the time when people talk about normal that's how I take it, even as an outlier in the conversation. I tend to just put it down to phrasing for the most part)

Now that you say it, yeah storytime has changed. I've texted storytime to friends midprocess, and reported when necessary. I have wanted to share these online as advocacy, but in my condition, handling the push back and keeing up with it all is not possible. I ultimately decided not to share publicly because of that. My story probably sounded revenge oriented, but it was the only way I could say it now that I am neurodivergent without any professional help to navigate that. Even though I know it's better to give my experience and say my needs, it would only come out as an upset story and frustration. I have improved, and my time was better spent reporting when necessary. Great content. I like your perspectives and they are helpful too.

Pure weakness. Thats it.

I love your commentary so much thank you!

I just love when you post, haven't even seen the video yet, but had to like it ❤

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Oh but to be fair if the car normally sits six people and let’s say, two of them are bigger not as many people of average weight are gonna fit. Now don’t get it twisted I’m not defending the lyft guy. When asked if six people fit, he should’ve just said yeah six and been done with it. I’m just saying, I guess I can understand why he said that because There are absolutely big people nowadays that would show up and question him why they can’t all fit in the vehicle, i’ve literally seen videos of big people complaining that they don’t fit on an airplane when they only bought one seat😭 A little unrelated, but you just have to understand if you’re bigger then you’re not gonna fit places as well😭 And no, that’s not fat phobic it’s literally just the truth

I think a good story doesn’t need namedropping, is anonymous. A story about someone ’real’ is gossip.

I really enjoy everything about your content. The one thing that always lightens the mood for me, is the wigs and outfits.

One thing for sure, one wouldn't be "pretty-phobic " towards her

I'd feel very weird getting into that lyft after receiving this answer. I'm plus sized, I don't think I'd make such a big deal out of it but it's definitely uncomfortable. Am I normal? Will this driver look at me and think I'm over his normal limit? Is he annoyed? Am I a bad passenger? And other low self-esteem bs.

I think she tried to say "reading comprehension" but got it mixed with media literacy lol. And the information was not wrong, was it incomplete? Yes, but not wrong. Those literally where her own tweets. I feel like she's trying to paint a different story for her TikTok followers so she can make it seem like people are telling lies about her out of fatphobia. And I don't like how condescending she sounds every time she mentions the driver and his "imaginary" family and immigrant status, to me it makes it seem like she thinks we're trying to make the driver look like a victim just to get at her, as if the whole world is out to get her or something.

I kinda think there’s a problem when you got girls who aren’t that big talking bout Fatphobia and people discriminating against them for it… when I think of people being fataphobic I’m thinking they are talking bout 600 plus… not no normal 200 under 300… like how tf is this woman that insecure to care what a Lyft driver thinks anyways?! She don’t look big!! And she’s pretty!! I’m like almost 200, idc!! Though, I’m pregnant lol I got an excuse. I’m just saying this girl… I’m just confused about. Who cares what someone thinks of you anyways, no matter what?? Like just live your life, that post probably didn’t need to even be made.

I feel like they meant “6 average people”.

Um someone super tall might need to take up some more leg space making a spot unavailable behind or beside. She really chose to internalize this.

I’m fat and I agree with you. This is not something that should have been blown to the proportion. The victim ideology in the fat community became insufferable. If you had 6 people and one or more are BIG then it’s possible that the vehicle WOULDN’T fit everyone. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS.

“Normal” is an uncomfortable word, using the word average would be better. I get that it can be upsetting but i think it would be better to correct them.

Keep your head up thanks!

Love the irony of people misusing the phrase 'Media literacy'

Idk about this. As a disabled person...that message would have been off-putting if not offensive. Idk if there is a language barrier, but I definitely don't see the point of putting this whole situation online. As suggested, I would probably just have contacted Lyft separately and on the DL. IMO, a message like that is unintentionally hurtful. 🤷‍♀️

A phobia is something someone is scared of I hate when people's people put it at the end of a word just because someone disagrees with a certain aspect about them or their life choices

Look. I don’t care if you hate my opinion but if you literally can’t fit into a car then that’s a problem. She didn’t have the right to get upset at all.

I really like Phaith but like… she knows what he means. It just sounds like 6 people max capacity.

What is it with these people and crying about "fatphobia" that's not even a thing. There's no one who's scared of fat people. I'M fat, literally cry a river, "fatphobia" isn't real.

Nah he definitely could’ve said no luggage. Normal people is just odd to say

I think she has a point with the direction the repost account took with the comments on it. People did take that repost as an opportunity to go after all fat people and air their grievances out by holding up her tweet as an example of their personal issues with fat people. The fact that she deleted it and messaged that account to ask for it taken down was also a good step too. I DO think she should have clarified either under the tweet or on her own twitter after she deleted it that she never messaged Uber about it and doesn’t intend to. I know she made the TikTok but how would people on twitter know to look for that?

She is literally the type of person who would get offended if there was a weight limit on something such as a piece of furniture, or a horse, or a ride. She would then decry discrimination for some poor safety tech doing their job and checking. Sorry Karen but physics don't care about your feelings.

As an Uber end Lyft drivers anything that said about Uber Lyft can be looked up if they get enough attention they can figure out who you are and who was your driver and they can kick them off of the platform

She didnt even report anybody she tweeted “dming yall” but didnt and posted proof from lyft they didnt get a report from her, she never revealed his name or plate number-that kira account is a real c u next tuesday too

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oh my god, i follow her and didn't even realize this video was about her until i saw her name. im not plus size and i feel that he could have used a better word, but also to almost make him lose his job i feel is too far. especially because there could be a language barrier or he was trying to just be short with his response.

To me I figured they might now have known English very well

She posted dms with lyft confirming she didn't report the driver.

Micro aggressions are micro for a reason... that way they can talk down or abuse others without being held accountable for it. I usually like your vids but telling fat people to not make it all about fat phobia is wild to me. She's allowed to vent on the internet and it's not appropriate at all for people to send her death threats about it. The expectations for every single tik tok talking about a personal experience to be this perfectly scripted and have a perfectly planned out response is getting to be way too much.

I have worked in customer service and if at any given point I said something that upset a costumer, wether was my intention or not, the customer was within their rights to request a supervisor to complain and I would be reprimanded. It sucks and the few times that it happened it made me feel terrible, bc it was never my intention to make someone feel bad and the idea of losing my job wasn't a very pleasant one, but it was on me to be more mindful about my words and it's wild that everyone is piling on this girl for complaining about a comment that could easily be taken in a poor way

I don't think the driver was referring to her size. I had cabs before with a four-adult person limit. Now if those four people all weigh 500 about 40stones That will not work, an average weight of 250 lbs for four adults, is 1000 lbs which is the limit that a car can safely carry. Then along comes four people that are 500lbs each, Let's say ALR & three of her friends want to ride? That is more than double the weight, they cannot do it. The physics will not work, it is not safe. Just like when we were over the limit by one or two people. They called for a larger cab, and it took a few more minutes of waiting. Then we learned to always order two cabs. This young lady is beautiful, I couldn't see her body. I really don't understand her point, if she feels slighted By the answer to her question, it seems she assumed That he meant 6 regular people, no fatties. When he said, nothing like that, the average adult American is 250lbs That is 1500lbs that is not light. but you change it & three of those 6 are 300 or 500. Do you see not only would the whole ride be uncomfortable & dangerous? There are things like weight limits, they are not there to shame the fats*. Get over it & order two cabs, no big deal, we all need to suck it up once in a while. IMHO peace *I am a fat, I can say that...

Seem like a thing to let go or mention to the drive how it could have been worded better. Not a take it to Corporate level offensive.

I started a folder and have 400 text images and in theme meme images in three days that I am sure I can elaborate on similar to how you speak. You inspire me, to remain on the internet and try to be productive, for the internet. The web. The web is avoidable. 👏🏼

Did you even watch the followup clip or did you just drag and drop it into the timeline?

I’m here at the beginning 😮 But this is crazy

Glare, what is thing with your generation holding an iPhone and walking 🚶 blindly down the sidewalk? 🤦‍♀️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦

The driver might not have explained it well by saying "6 Normal people can fit" but it's ridiculous to be so upset about it!? We aren't going to like everything everyone says and to broadcast it on social media is wrong! I'm a bigger woman and it doesn't bother me. I've also been bullied over my weight off and on my whole life!

fatphobic is so weird to me, is murderphobic a thing?? we just using phobic for our issues with people now? when you are fat (super unhealthy) you cause the rest of us issues, that makes us phobic??

Hi Glare! ☺️😊🙂