Titanic Tropes: Molly Brown's Lifeboat Rebellions (1953-2012)

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Note: While Thelma Ritter's character in the 1953 film is not named Molly Brown, she is heavily based on her.
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@saffronthurkettle6795 10 ай бұрын

Molly Brown was a legend

@TheNotverysocial 3 ай бұрын

I notice Cameron is the only one to have Hitchens threaten to throw Molly overboard. All the rest to even include that exchange have the opposite thing happen, and she threatens him with it. And Maude is awfully tame next to the rest of these.

@kimmoj2570 Ай бұрын

Just my guess, but Hichens was quarternaster, and by that capable of violence. Even against woman. His words tell all.

@kimmoj2570 Ай бұрын

BTW it was Hichens who drived Titanic to iceberg. He was at tiller, and Moody was not there all the time watch what he was doing.

@TheNotverysocial Ай бұрын

@@kimmoj2570 Moreover, the '96 miniseries is the only one to have that scene take place where it allegedly did, the following morning when Carpathia was visible in the distance, and Hitchens continued being pessimistic about being spotted by them, and Miss Brown fed up with him telling him she'd throw him overboard if he takes a step nearer her to stop the effort of rowing towards Carpathia. The others all have her arguing they should pick some people up from out of the water during the night before due to the boat not even being half full, which isn't when and where it was said to have happened.

@germanname1990 2 ай бұрын

It's indeed a surprise that Cameron's film showed Hitchens threatening to throw Molly overboard rather than the other way around. Now even with that said, Molly's threat in real life did not happen until much later when the Carpathia was first spotted. Hitchens said that the Carpathia was not there for rescue but rather to pick up dead bodies. Given that Molly and Hitchens were certainly at each other's throats throughout the night, this was the last straw for Molly, and what she said next was history that has yet to be portrayed accurately.

@LK_GamingYT1 Жыл бұрын

Ty for this i was waiting 1958 was my favourite molly brown

@Lums_2.0 Жыл бұрын

It's more accurate

@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 ай бұрын

The best!

@britmturner843 11 ай бұрын

Molly Brown is such an icon.

@NorthWestern1919 Жыл бұрын

If I recall correctly, A Night to Remember producer William MacQuitty said he got along well with almost all the stars, except one. Tucker McGuire, who played Molly Brown was "ornery" in his own words. I don't know exactly what transpired between them on set, and frankly, it's more fun just not knowing what happened between these two. MacQuitty also had a bit of a complicated relationship with Titanic survivor Edith Russell. Apparently she wanted to design the costumes for the film. She was a rather eccentric woman, to say the least.

@CaptainJZH Жыл бұрын

Russell the one with the lucky pig, right?

@NorthWestern1919 Жыл бұрын

@@CaptainJZH Yes. I believe that upon first reading Walter Lord's book A Night to Remember, she was angry because she thought him writing about the lucky pig portrayed her as being childish. Lord wrote back to her and told her he meant no disrespect. Eventually the two warmed up to each other and upon her death, she bequeathed him the lucky pig. Basically, from what I've heard, Russell was the type of person who wanted to make sure that everyone in the room knew she had survived the Titanic. I don't mean to come across as disrespectful to her of course, but to me she seemed like somewhat of an attention hog.

@Daniel_Huffman Жыл бұрын

@@NorthWestern1919 "Attention hog." Was that pun intentional?

@NorthWestern1919 Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Huffman I'm afraid not, only now do I realize the unintentional pun I just made.

@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 ай бұрын

Well, Edith Russell was what we'd call today a "fashionista." At the time she was returning from Europe with reports and samples of the latest trends. If hired to do the costumes for the film she'd probably have done a pretty good job, she was THERE after all.

@matthewjdenn Жыл бұрын

Molly Brown has more balls than Quartermaster Hitchens!

@sailorman9403 11 ай бұрын

To be fair, Hitchens probably wasn't ready to die. He had been on the ship's wheel when the Titanic struck. Weirdly enough, it was the officers Lowe and Lightoller who probably saved the most people after the sinking. Lightoller took command of the overturned collapsible thus allowing more people to stand on it....if they reached it.

@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 ай бұрын

@@sailorman9403 Lowe did manage to pull some survivors from the water but I believe only one lived, the cold was too much for the others. Still, he tried.

@michaelbujaki2462 Жыл бұрын

One error in the 1953 movie is that the Captain didn't sound the alarm to abandon ship.

@sepur_lempung34official 2 ай бұрын

So did on the unsinkable Molly Brown

@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 ай бұрын

No, there was no general alarm as the captain wanted to avoid a panic.

@tomcurda4203 2 ай бұрын

Titanic did not HAVE such an alarm

@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 ай бұрын

The BEST Molly? The one from "A Night To Remember!" The worst? Kathy Bates from "Titanic." Not Kathy's fault, she had to play the role as written but jeez, as my wife put it "What a wimpy Molly Brown!" Legend has it Molly pulled a pistol on QM Hitchens to get him to turn around but of course it's just a legend. Damn it. Thelma Ritter in the 1953 "Titanic" is an interesting Molly. A Colorado woman with a Brooklyn accent! 🤣

@swigglyforce5215 Ай бұрын

Kathy bates's molly brown is more accurate. Molly brown said herself that she tried to get them to go back, but she gave up.

@wayneantoniazzi2706 Ай бұрын

@@swigglyforce5215 Well there's giving up and giving up, if you follow my meaning. Kathy Bate's Molly just GAVE UP. I doubt the real Molly was as intimidated by Hitchins as Kathy's was. AND in addition to which Major Arthur Peuchen was also in Molly's boat. As an industrialist and a Canadian Army reservist he wound up with a bit of a stigma attached to him by his peers for the rest of his life for not asserting command over Hitchens, one of "the lower sort" using the terminology of the time. Probably unfair, but it's too late for Peuchen now.

@andiilham6227 Ай бұрын

Is this just me but I think Tucker McGuire as Molly Brown in A Night to Remember really looks like Kathy Bates from the 1997 Movie

@Daniel_Huffman Жыл бұрын

You can really tell how much of a mess Julian Fellows' _Titanic_ was with its weird Lifeboat 4/6/8 hybrid. I find it interesting that many of these productions got a different thing right about what transpired in Lifeboat 6: _ANTR_ had another occupant asking Hichens, "Don't you know you're speaking to a lady?" (This was actually spoken by a stoker transferred from Lifeboat 16, not Major Peuchen) _1996_ had "Maggie" threatening to throw Hichens overboard when the _Carpathia_ was in sight. (He had expressed doubts that she would pick them up rather than objecting to Brown keeping the others warm) and _1997/GOTA_ had Hichens rejecting Captain Smith's orders to pick up more people. (Which was intended for all the lifeboats) Margaret Brown has been described by her descendants as someone who tried to fit in with the other passengers, and I believe that you can still derive humor from her trying and failing to conceal her Midwest accent. Both sides in Lifeboat 6 had a point: They certainly would be at risk of being sucked under by the _Titanic_ or capsized by desperate swimmers that would inadvertently kill those already safe, but they could have still tried to make an effort. By my understanding, the reason #6 did not rescue swimmers was because they lost their bearings when the lights failed and were too far away to locate the site. Hichens was right that they had little chance of being found, but he was still lowering morale by openly expressing this pessimism, and I get the impression that Brown was getting increasingly frustrated with him, but also was trying to act properly despite the dire circumstances, only for her to reach her breaking point and threaten to throw Hichens overboard when he was still cynical about rescue despite it literally being within sight.

@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 ай бұрын

Had there been no wireless on board to call for help Hitchen's speculation they'd never be found would probably have been correct. Titanic's boats filled with the dead from exposure might have been spotted later but what happened to Titanic would have been a mystery. Of course there was wireless and one of the heroes of the disaster even though he wasn't there was Gugliermo Marconi, the inventor of wireless telegraphy, all realized without wireless there'd have been no survivors at all.

@haziqhakim5995 10 ай бұрын

They did her dirty in the 1953 Verison 💀 and also the 1964 Verison sounds edited and high pitched

@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 ай бұрын

1964? That's Debbie Reynolds as Molly Brown as Debbie Reynolds! No disrepect to Debbie, she was a great performer!

@haziqhakim5995 2 ай бұрын

@@wayneantoniazzi2706I wasn't being mean to her I said why does the movie sound high pitched

@wayneantoniazzi2706 2 ай бұрын

@@haziqhakim5995 That's Debbie's voice, she was a little over the top in this role.

@ThePlayfurCinema 2 ай бұрын

In all the versions where Molly got her way, I wonder if her boat managed to not get turned over.

@tomcurda4203 2 ай бұрын

Captain J: How about making a trope of Titanic putting to sea?

@PixarShark 11 ай бұрын

1:12 - I grew up in the south, and I swear I knew this exact lady at the church we went to at that time. I’m sure any southern child did. 😂

@returnofthemack8347 6 ай бұрын

I wish on the 1997 and 2003 version that she checked his ass

@fazlozbey9183 Күн бұрын

1:07 where can i watch the full movie?

@CaptainJZH Күн бұрын

You can buy or rent it online or on DVD

@harryturner8701 3 ай бұрын

I get the impression you don’t like the 1997 version

@CaptainJZH 3 ай бұрын

Where did you get that impression

@harryturner8701 3 ай бұрын

@@CaptainJZH you always seem to cut the scenes very short

@CaptainJZH 3 ай бұрын

That's because if I included more the copyright owners will block the video

@harryturner8701 3 ай бұрын

@@CaptainJZH ah ok