Please keep doing these, they are fantastic. Also, never get rid of Tbates, we need his chaos.

The way Johnny's and Tbates backgrounds line up make them look like they're sitting next to each other. (I skipped to the end can't confirm if it's the same the whole way thru)

Someone mute TBates when its not his turn.

Make another one of these: “Top 10 Jonnyboi Rocket League Lists”

CJCJ is the most entertaining person here just because he’s doing this purely for content

Even with my firstkiller placement I still should’ve won 😩. Edit: This is a TOP 25 CURRENT 3V3 player list. See a few people confused in the comments about that. Overall love seeing everyone give their opinion(s) in the comments, keep em coming!

I like how Squishy went from overrated to underrated. I mean come on look at NRG play

Tbates had a good list if he had BeastMode instead of Fairy and didn't plunder Ayyjay and First placements. Also I'd put Squishy instead of retals and that would be the best list.

Love to see the aussies upside down in the thumbnail

I get that squishy has a lot of fans, but to not have him in your top 25 is actually so disrespectful imo. He is on the best team in the world currently and yall acting like its just garret and jstn who are doing all the work. No doubt they are insane but to discredit squishy this hard and not put him at least like 15-25 just makes literally zero sense. Guess thats the price of playing a more support role and team player. Guarantee you squishy will outshine so many of these players at lan, they dont have the ice like he does when it really matters.

Squishy plays brilliantly! He’s playing his role, and that’s tougher than I think you guys might be playing it up to be.

Tbates can be really annoying, but honestly he makes a lot of really good points, and understands rocket league pretty well. Glad hes in these streams and first touch.

I think Tbates had some good arguments for not putting MonkeyMoon at number 1 to be honest. I'd still put MonkeyMoon at number 1, but it's very very close.

I think johnny is underestimating how good jstn defence was during the end of the video when comparing him to monkey moon.

When jstn actually has the motivation to play the game like he once did trust me he will regain that number 1 spot. but for now, I can see why he is top 3 seeing as his mental health has not been the best this year which can affect his gameplay heavily.

Yumi the only one giving Garret the love he deserves

50 minutes in and TBates hasn’t annoyed me once. Lol I’m starting to like you bro ham

jstn actually is number #1 in NA and EU in points per game, and #1 in rating.

Taroco is s budget Khalid 🤣 it's so funny but so true

Firstkiller’s production has decreased since Winter because teams are adapting to Rogue’s play style. Him and his teammates mentioned this. Before, most teams would send one or two challengers at him. Now, the whole team might jump at him, because they can’t give him any space at all. The fact that Firstkiller presence alone causes this much pandemonium on the enemy lines should be testimony to his immense greatness. He’s top 3 at the least, and I’d narrow that even slimmer if I was really biased.

First Johnny predicted yanxnz to be a top player. The rest didn’t even have him on their list. Second tbates when through puberty in like a year. He’s got a full beard and his voice is like an octave lower. He definitely got some more money in the bank too, his streamer setup is professional now with LED lights n stuff. Crazy

Are peoplle gonna start respecting Kaydop again now? The greatest professional winner in rocket league history and just because he's not scoring "flip reset musty double tap ceiling shots" in showmatches he is written off... he is the Tim Duncan of RL! BIG FUNDAMENTAL!!

Pretty sure roll dizz forgot this was CURRENT top 25 when he was arguing with tbates about putting turbo in 20

Is Arsenal not top 25 for johnny?

Johnny definitely has the best list, but it hurts to say that Roll Dizz somehow has a worse list than Tbates. How can you put Extra at 24?

Roll dizz must have smoked something when he write his list

Damn I didn't think squishy would be on only one list I think he should've been on all lists maybe around 20 or below or a bit higher

Hey Johnny, I saw this on your stream yesterday and I had some comments I wanted to share especially regarding Tbates’ examples about basketball and just in general. Now, I do want to say that I definitely am not as knowledgeable as anybody in the video about rocket league and I am not entirely unbiased either. I’m from the USA and I watch every RLCS series NRG plays because they are my favorite team and GarrettG is my favorite player, every RLCS series BDS plays because they are my favorite EU team, almost every RLCS series V1 plays because I’m a big fan of Torment, and every series after the semifinals in a tournament. I’m including this to show that I recognize I may be biased in my thinking and that I am nowhere near as familiar with professional rocket league as Johnny or anyone else in the video. However, I do feel like I’m reasonably knowledgeable in basketball and it seemed like you didn’t exactly understand what Tbates was talking about regarding Kevin Durant and ball touches. Now, a lot of my examples will be from basketball and that may not apply to rocket league at all, but my goal is to clarify what I think Tbates meant and add on my own opinions so that you can understand a bit better and decide whether it actually does apply to rocket league or maybe change your point of view in any way, whether it is completely irrelevant to rocket league as the two (rocket league and basketball) are completely different sports, or somewhere in between. Now, Tbates mentioned the fact that when Kevin Durant joined the warriors, his stats dropped slightly simply because he was playing with better players, comparing that to Sypical on Spacestation. I think a better example would be Stephen Curry, who in 2016 Steph was the best player on the Golden State Warriors and became the 1st and only player in NBA history to become the unanimous MVP. However, in 2017, Kevin Durant joined the Warriors and Steph’s production dropped off. He was still very good, but he was no longer putting up the stats that he did before, because he had to share the ball with another great player. Many people said that he had dropped off, but we saw in this past season that without KD or Klay Thompson on his team, he is able to get back to MVP form, going on a historic run in April. The fact that Steph Curry is able to mold his game to either carry a team, or fit into an offense is what makes him one of the best offensive players ever. It’s for this reason that I believe just because Sypical doesn’t pull out performances like he did when AxB was on the team, doesn’t mean he is not capable of it anymore. If anything, it shows his versatility, as he is a player that has shown he can both carry a team and mould his playstyle to fit his teammates, something that players like Firstkiller and Ayyjayy have not been able to do thus far. This is not to say that he’s better than both of them (although I believe he’s better than Ayyjayy), but I just wanted to point out that instead of penalizing him for not carrying his team, we should be praising him for being willing to give up some up of his flashiness for team success. A counter argument to this that I saw is that Ayyjayy and Firstkiller don’t have teammates as good as Sypical or (I’m adding another player that I saw this argument applied to) JSTN. Now, even though this is true, it’s clear from any sport that you can’t have consistent results by solo carrying a team. This may be less true for Rocket League since it’s a 3 man game as opposed to 5 for basketball, but the fact is that just because you are better than your teammates doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t trust them. Johnny, you brought up that Firstkiller takes every boost and ball from his own teammates and 1v3s defenses at times because he doesn’t trust his team to do the same. However, how can you expect his teammates to ever become improve if Firstkiller doesn’t let them hit the ball? The fact of the matter is that they will never be as good as Squishy or Garrett if they continue playing like this because they don’t get to be comfortable on the pitch with Firstkiller taking over games. That’s not to say that Firstkiller isn’t good; I don’t think any other player could win games the way he does. What I am saying is that, just because you can do it, doesn’t mean it makes your team better in the long run. A great example of this is MDJ’s video about Wilt Chamberlain (another basketball player) that I will link here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/edaqatWLltTTgp8.html. I hope this isn’t breaking any youtube rules because it’s not my intention to promote a different channel or anything on Johnny’s. I will explain the gist of the video. Back in the 60s, Wilt Chamberlain was by far the best, and most efficient player on his team, making over half of the shots he took. Naturally his coach told the team, the more shots Wilt Chamberlain gets, the better our offense is, because he has the highest shooting percentage. However, in practice, this doesn’t work because it takes the teammates out of the game as they stand around waiting for a ball that will never come to them and Chamberlain’s team wasn’t able to win a championship. However, once they got a new coach, he told Wilt to start passing the ball to his less efficient teammates. This actually improved the offense as his teammates started getting comfortable and increased their production and efficiency. This is why I believe a player like Steph Curry, who doesn’t need to have the ball in his hands to be effective, or GarrettG in Rocket League is so good. They use leadership and their own immense skill to make their teammates better and run a better team, rather than take as many of the shots themselves just because they know they have a higher chance of hitting them than their teammates. All this being said, there are a few exceptions to the rule. There have been cases where adding another superstar level player to a team only increased a players production and this is the case for the truly elite, who have the ability to carry a team by themselves and fit in to make their teammates better while improving themselves. M0nkeyM00n, I think, is one of those players. Personally, I had no idea who he was before BDS but Johnny said that he was highly rated before that and the addition of Extra and an improved Marc_By_8 has only made him even better, which is why I think he is the best player in RLCS. I think he is a combination of both Firstkiller and GarrettG, because it seems like he has the carrying potential of Firstkiller (although not to Firstkiller’s level as he was never in the discussion as a top team without 2 other top 15 players on his team like Firstkiller was able to) and the ability to fit into any team like GarrettG with his passing and defense. I also think Mist is a player like this because he’s so versatile on offense and defense that he doesn’t really have many weaknesses. It’s a select few players that you could put them into literally any team and exchange them for any player (except for Firstkiller on Rogue because I don’t think anyone can hard carry a team to top 3 in the region like Firstkiller) and instantly make that team better. All of this to say, it’s not easy to find players who can elevate their team members as well as themselves on different rosters. We actually saw that Firstkiller wasn’t able to do this in the First N Friends vs Guild series. Although that series had the EU ping as a caveat, we saw that Firstkiller, Chicago and, Retals were not able to play half as well as GarrettG, Mist, and Jknaps. While you could say this is because Garrett’s team had 3 top 25 players while Firstkiller’s only had 2, it also goes to show that Firstkiller is not able to fit into any team like GarrettG is. I picked Garrett for this example because we saw in the first 2 games that he was content to get less than 100 points and let his teammates roam while he filled in the gaps. I don’t believe Firstkiller is willing to do that, regardless of teammates and I think that holds him back. This is not to say that GarrettG is a better player because we saw sure in the First N Friends series, Firstkiller scored every single goal for his team other than 2, half of them being solo plays, which I’m fairly certain Garrett wouldn’t be able to do either. I’m just saying that the ability to carry a team does not automatically make a person better than one who is willing to let his teammates play. Another basketball example that backs this up is an interview by Kevin McHale who is a basketball hall of famer. McHale had reasoning as to why he believed Larry Bird and Magic Johnson were better offensive players than Michael Jordan in the 80s, even though Jordan was putting up crazy numbers. He said that Bird and Magic could shoot 12 or 13 shots, get 7 rebounds and 10 assists and dominate a basketball game, while if the other team held Michael Jordan to 12 shots, Jordan got destroyed. In fact, it even supports one of my earlier points about letting your teammates grow as Jordan began to trust his teammates more in the 90s and it led to Scottie Pippen being one of the best players alongside him, something which players like Taroco, Turnituro, Gyro, and Allushin may not be able to do, even if they have the ability, because they have ball-dominant superstars on their team. This is not to say Tbates is right because I think Firstkiller is just so good that even his drawbacks have him at #2 and definitely not #5. Once again, I want to mention that while this holds for basketball pretty clearly, that doesn’t mean it’s true for Rocket League. I just wanted to expand on some of the things that Tbates mentioned, after I had a day to think about it, and help Johnny and anyone else that’s not too familiar with basketball understand the reasoning behind it.

Bruh how does Squishy only make one of these lists and NRG are the clear best team in NA???

I had no intention of watching a 4 hours stream, but I did! Amazing content, loved hearing the arguments from everyone involved

Tbates in the beginning sounded like he was about to have the worst list possible😂

We could use an update after the next major! Love this type of content.

This was great! I’m so hype for more RL esports now after these opinions to see who backs them up

Wish CJ participated more on this. Clearly knows a lot (way more than Tbates or Roll) and a funny guy as well. Plus told Tbates to stfu a couple times, respect

now we need a g.o.a.t. player list

Johnny and cj have the best arguments and facts

I can't get over tbates accent, why does he sound like the most posh brit at some points and completely different 2 seconds later.

Ridicoulus to have alot of these players infront of Squishy.

This is absolutely fantastic content, please keep it coming

"Of course I'm talking about my own list!" man I love your sass

16 minutes in and I’m actually enjoying Tbates.

Love this series. Finna listen for a second time. 🔥

Johnny the only one to have Yanxnz on the list and Tbates somehow has Alpha 8 spots higher now than he did than a year ago

The TBates NBA comparison makes absolute sense and was put brilliantly!

It’s not fair bc in ME they don’t have RLCS 😔💔

yo why does bates become so defensive when dizz says something ever bro

Man how far we came is crazy

Does anyone actually watch a four hour spit-ball-bitchfest. Because I 100 percent do! More of this!

Only one list had squishy even after what he did in the last major, its just stupid, throwing noly, beastmode or even turbopolsa but no putting squish, just silly

Johnny can be so closed off to what other people are saying sometimes, obviously tbates isn't saying that having a better player makes ur stats necessarily worse but is talking about load management. Some players are amazing but are amazing in a way that they don't have to use too much of the ball and can facilitate their teammates. Retals on the other hand is an elite player that requires using the ball alot, just like Stephen curry had a lot of plays run through him and thus had Kevin durants stats fall. Sypical can always pull off a last minute play even now lol, what's the point of arguing with someone if you're not going to listen to them

Pfff some of these ranking…. I don’t get why people aren’t putting Squishy higher. It’s just the trend now to hate on Squishy.

Let’s go squishymuffinz on the board!!!

I am literally 2 hours In and I’m loving every second of this😭

One minute in and Tbates hasn’t messed up. Wow

The fact that M0nkey M00n is STILL at the top of the top over 3 years later is mind-boggling to me. Definitely one of the greatest to ever do it.

Squishy pretty much won the Spring Major for NRG, when was the last time G2 won anything? No respect man

That was a very entertaining watch and besides the banter, which is quite fun, pretty informative and informed IMO. At least way more fun than the boring euro championship atm on the telly. But, to stay with soccer analogies, Extra on 24 hurts my heart and my mind, cause I'd give him the 8 and compare him to Iniesta in the legendary Barca team under Guardiola.

The fact the BeastMode is not in the top 25 is crazy. If these dudes only knew at that time the player he’d grow into. One of the top 5 in the world.

Tbates is so funny bro 😂😂😂 his whole character

we need an updated one after the major

The yan pick is aging well johnny

The only reasonable argument Tbates had was his Giannis and KD reference lmao

I can’t believe squishy only made 1 list out of 5 😂

CJCJ’s top 5 list statistically is most correct if you base it off the other 4 lists, the only one he got wrong based off that is Aztral at 5 instead of Garret G. This is if you conjoin all the lists together.

I'm sorry... But Squishy is so underrated.

Tbate's facial expressions are great XD

“Chicago is the Michael Jordan to Jknaps Lebron” -johnnyboi 2021

Jstn should easily be number 1 after the championships. Monkey Moon cannot clutch it when it matters

You guys straight up disrespecting Fairy Peak at this point

I think yumi is the best list just why because like how do they guys not put squishy in top 25 like these talk like justin and garret can still win with out squishy back to back majors with squishy if squishy doesn't bee's patent and play they are never gonna win yumi understands that without squishy n4g are nothing his mechanics are insane he does triple flip rests all of those who say squishy is not mechanical just go and see the vid of how many saves musty can do squishy destroys him with the triple flip reset not squishy fan

Watching this after the Lan makes this fun

Aztral's mental is just overall inconsistent when it comes to who he plays. He's just more comfortable with people who are similar to him. There's a lot more examples than just the dig com vid where he tilts and holds the competition above the people he's playing with. One example is the 1v1 he had against Okhalid, where he started "What a saving" and he was "trying to get in his head". I'd understand it if there was a ggs by him or something by the end but it's made obvious that the competition was more important than playing with the top 1s player in ME and seeing it as a good game.

Watching this back, Johnny 100% called yanxnz

fun fact: everyone just skipped to the end to see their lists

First killer >Garrettg>Monkey moon Marc by 8 is bad ,no mechanical ,no defense

Squishy is the most underrated player in the game. Itachi should also be on this list

I can't be the only person who thinks first killer is massively overrated. I know he's amazing but I just don't think he's as good as people say he is. Can carry but is a shocking team player and I don't think he would replicate the level without people like Taroco letting him be a terrible team mate

I love how Johnny boi was putting Arsenal behing the ivy league players and complaining that Arsenal can’t carry SSG like First or jstn and so and so, but see how he took SSG to an extreme reverse Sweep against DIG in LA and was pretty much carrying Retals and Daniel there. Arsenal’s peak is just too good!

GarretG is a real one!!! Calling out tbates

Idk why the title isn't clear about this, but this list is who they think the Top 25 best THREES players in the world are, not top 25 best players overall.

kaydop ?

Tbates blew it, he had the best list by far.

tier list idea: best individual player performance

Johnny can you do a top 5 regions video?

extra 24 ??extra top 10

I am not squishy fan I am not sub to him, but you guys acting like jstn and GarratG are like 100 and squish is more like 70 !!! give a respect to what he does, he's obv doing something with his great reading of game which ease the game for his team

We NEED this for 1v1!!! Blow this up, make it happen I’m literally begggggggggging

Given Joreuz 1v1 tournament wins recently I’m surprised to not see him included in some of these lists.

Gotta admit that, for once, Tbates list isn't THAT bad

Me listening to this list: "Why are Johnny and CJ making such a big deal about this Amphis guy?" Me after watching RLCS OCE Championship: "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" :)

Ah yes, Tbates vs everyone again lmao

Garret is officially another level against Turbo

This rankings are sooooo much fun

Do a let's do a 30 top player let's see if squishy comes comes on Johnny boi

i cant believe how much tbates voice has changed

As I see this type of videos I'm sure that war always start xD

Squishy is so underrated by casters...

Im laying here on my arm doing like half a plank for the past 25 mins and im like why dont i dont just shower already damn it

For the first half of Drippays NA season, he was the highest rated player in ALL of NA by stats. Pay attention chaps

Hopefully these lists are revised now that the championships are over. Some of team Vitality didn't even make the lists, and Squishy was only considered top 25 for one of them. BDS also fell apart when it mattered the most