The Problem With Chrome Piston Rings / What Makes A Drill Bit Good Can Make Your Piston Rings Better

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Total Seal Piston Rings

Total Seal Piston Rings

Күн бұрын

The chrome on a bumper is the same chrome plating that is used on some piston rings, especially on oil rings. While the hardness and durability of chrome has great benefits, it also has some drawbacks - incompatible with Nikasil, harder to break-in, etc...
"Dyno" Don MacAskill from Shaver Specialties Racing Engines and Lake Speed Jr test out Titanium Nitrided rings - the same gold colored coating used on drill bits. The results even surprised these dyno veterans!
For the details on the break-in procedure used in this video, check out this link: • Don't RUIN Your Engine...
For more on "Dyno" Don, check out his blog: www.dynodonnymac.com

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@TheCrewChief374
@TheCrewChief374 Жыл бұрын
Lake and Don are like watching twins talk in these vidjias they do together😁🤣 It is great to see the enthusiasm for this topic, because it is definitely rare to see.
@duygukayhanisaskank4915
@duygukayhanisaskank4915 Жыл бұрын
VERY INTERESTING project & I completely agree about chrome-plated rings. I NEVER use them. PLEASE continue updating us as you progress with this project. Also, it would be VERY INTERESTING for you to give comparisons to other TOTAL SEAL treated piston rings. For example, this new Titanium Nitride PVD Ring vs TOTAL SEAL C-47 coated ring. The TOTAL SEAL C-47 coated ring has been my choice for all of my recent engine builds. I appreciate your consideration & hope to see other TOTAL SEAL Piston Ring comparisons. THERE ARE TOTAL SEAL PISTON RINGS & NOTHING ELSE!!!! 🙂 Best regards, Ben
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
This coating is just for oil rings, so we are not using it on compression rings.
@duygukayhanisaskank4915
@duygukayhanisaskank4915 Жыл бұрын
@@TotalSeal OK & THANKS for your considerate reply. I am anxiously waiting for your follow-up videos on the Titanium Nitride PVD rings. Best regards, Ben
@lpete2766
@lpete2766 Жыл бұрын
YOU GUYS ARE MAKING SAME GREAT VIDEOS ! Back in the early 70's i worked at gm dealer ship we replaced a sbs with a new gm oem engine i think it has a 283 i know it had chrome rings . after about 2 weeks the car was still using oil the owner brought it back to us . my service manager told me to go out behind your shop with him and take the air cleaner off and the fan belt off . he then pulled on a can of comet kitchen cleaning out he rev the engine and started shaking it into the carb . i think he used the whole can . i couldn't believe he did it . he then told my it was a trick they did for years even on brand new cars . the car did stop burning oil . l always wondered how much other damage it did to the engine .
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
Thanks! We've also heard of the Comet or Borax trick on chrome rings. Certainly not the best thing for the rest of the engine.
@brianholcomb6499
@brianholcomb6499 Жыл бұрын
I love these videos. Please Lake! Let somebody else talk! You have one of the best dyno guys in the world! Let him speak. Still surprises me that Dyno Don doesn't prefer an actual throttle lever. I know I can normally feel it when something isn't right! I guess it's just preference. It looks like he has that dyno stacked with everything!
@bobbyhall7472
@bobbyhall7472 Жыл бұрын
I believe lake knows as much as don so stop 😢.
@robertedwards8578
@robertedwards8578 Жыл бұрын
I am truly enjoying learning and listening.
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@TheCrewChief374
@TheCrewChief374 Жыл бұрын
What would be awesome is to get individuals like Don, Vic Hill, and others to break down the basic differences between say a dirt track engine, and a pavement engine like a pavement late model or the engines in the top three series of Nascar if it is possible to reasonably compare the two disciplines.
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
Good idea
@roncoburn7771
@roncoburn7771 Жыл бұрын
great video fellows
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@brad9803
@brad9803 Жыл бұрын
Great videos gentlemen! It’s awesome to see you two educating racers and enthusiasts. One question I think is important to the reduction in friction? What oil where you running? Was the break in oil changed after the rings seated? Again great work, nice reference to the water and oil temps used for a baseline. Thanks
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
We use Driven BR40 for all the tests. It contains no friction reducers, so it allows us to see any changes in friction due to the hone, coatings or ring design.
@benrossbach6501
@benrossbach6501 Жыл бұрын
I'd be curious to see the effect on the oil longer term.
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
Those tests are in the works already.
@edsmachine93
@edsmachine93 Жыл бұрын
Good Tech with Lake and Don. Is this going to be affordable Technology for regular Engine Builders? Thanks for sharing. Take care, Ed.
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
Thanks! And, YES, these new coatings will be available soon at reasonable prices.
@stanleyshults6427
@stanleyshults6427 9 ай бұрын
They work grt folks
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal 9 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@user-lt7ne9mv9b
@user-lt7ne9mv9b 2 ай бұрын
Just out of interest: having worked on old vehicles, I've noticed that USA and Japanese decorative chrome was never as good as British. It was almost impossible to see any grinding or buffing marks on British chrome, where the others were quite visible, even with the naked eye. The Japanese was particularly bad; a day in the rain and corrosion appeared. Weeks in the wet and muddy on British before the slightest blemish appeared. The British were triple plated; Cu, Ni, Cr.
@TheCrewChief374
@TheCrewChief374 Жыл бұрын
Lake, I am sure if that engine was one of those high dollar sprint car engines, you would not get close to that dyno😁
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
LOL
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 Жыл бұрын
So was the hone job the same values as last time?
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
Yes. Re-honed to the same values. We check the cylinders with the profilometer at each rebuild.
@chulyn790
@chulyn790 Жыл бұрын
Lake, what is the difference in the friction coefficient of TiN vs Chrome Plating? Would you say the percentage of torque gain is comparable to the % difference in friction coefficient? Quantifiable data from Tribological methods. Good stuff. I like seeing the chrome plate alternatives.
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
The TiN has a lower coefficient of friction compared to chrome, so that is the reason for the increase in power.
@gj91471
@gj91471 Жыл бұрын
Does Chrome not have problems with galling?
@____MC____
@____MC____ 10 ай бұрын
Have you heard of DLC(diamond like carbon) coating?
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal 10 ай бұрын
Yes, we've been working with DLC and other PVD coatings for 20 years.
@CherezianRacing
@CherezianRacing 6 ай бұрын
This test is confusing. I saw in the comments you said the hone was the same compared to the last test with the chrome rings. What about the top and 2nd rings? Were they reused or replaced with the exact same rings new? Same end gaps? So many questions. I thought the oil rings job was solely to scrape oil, but the video is eluding that they actually are holding compression that is getting past the 1st and 2nd ring?
@davidreed6070
@davidreed6070 Жыл бұрын
Do you know what GM puts in the ls engines. I know they last forever and don't hurt the bore
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
Chrome faced oil rings. It is not bad. The TiN coating is just better.
@blueyhis.zarsoff1147
@blueyhis.zarsoff1147 11 ай бұрын
How about that coating on the top ring?
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal 11 ай бұрын
We have an even better coating for the top ring.
@jmflournoy386
@jmflournoy386 10 ай бұрын
Where are Perflon Rings when we need them
@james10739
@james10739 11 ай бұрын
So are that available and how much more are they
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal 11 ай бұрын
They are currently available as special order only, but we will have new sets by the end of 2023 that include them standard.
@richardmoerke9329
@richardmoerke9329 Жыл бұрын
That’s all good and fine. How is the average back yard joe going to get this done? I love this stuff but how am I going to do this? I don’t have the big money for all the stuff to be done. Is there anything you can do to get it done for the weekend guys to have a sweet motor like that?
@bradmcgrath358
@bradmcgrath358 Жыл бұрын
what do you mean? It looks to me like total seal is intending to sell these rings.
@richardmoerke9329
@richardmoerke9329 Жыл бұрын
@@bradmcgrath358 the work to get the block done! Be fine just put the hone in and done . The work they do is not cheap and have some high dollar tools.
@bradmcgrath358
@bradmcgrath358 Жыл бұрын
@@richardmoerke9329 Again, I don't understand what you're saying. It doesn't cost much to have the cylinder honed.
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
None of these technologies are out of reach for the back yard engine assembler. A good machine shop can easily afford the correct tools to get the cylinders honed correctly, and the piston rings are not expensive, especially in light of how long they last and how much power they can deliver.
@richardmoerke9329
@richardmoerke9329 Жыл бұрын
@@TotalSeal cool fine and dandy. BUT!!!! Again! Sorry but if backyard man wants to do this at home with what he has for tools how does he get the job done on the walls of his motor without all the fancy stuff you have in your Machine shop? I love the ring ideas and all but if I go to freshen up a motor with rings and bearings how do you get it done at home? I don’t have the thing to check the walls and so and I don’t think most guys at home doing this will. Unless this will make it easierfor us to do it at home so we don’t have to go to the shop. Lol ! Yeah like that is going to happen.
@bradmcgrath358
@bradmcgrath358 Жыл бұрын
All I need is for Total Seal to make an 87.5mm or 88mm 1.2mm gas ported top ring. Because the only ring sets I can buy for my engine have chrome top rings
@duygukayhanisaskank4915
@duygukayhanisaskank4915 Жыл бұрын
Hey Brad Mcgrath, I suggest...when you rebuild the engine...replacing the pistons. I had JE Pistons make a custom set of their ULTRASeries. I gave them all the required information & the specs about the TOTAL SEAL Rings I was going to use. Granted, the "custom" pistons were more expensive than off-the-shelf variety. BUT for what I've already invested in the engine, it was reasonable & I have exactly what I need. More-so, I'm no-longer restricted by the type of piston rings I can use. Best regards, Ben
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
Contact the tech department. We can probably supply 1.2mm gas ported rings in those bore sizes.
@bradmcgrath358
@bradmcgrath358 Жыл бұрын
@@duygukayhanisaskank4915 In a future more serious build, that wold be my only option, as there are only cast stock replacement pistons available for this engine. The biggest issue is the bore size. It's bigger than most of the Jap 4cyl engines, but smaller than everything else. Ideally I'd like to use rings less than 1mm
@bradmcgrath358
@bradmcgrath358 Жыл бұрын
@@TotalSeal I'm in Australia, When it get to the point of needing the rings, what is the bet way to go about ordering them?
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal Жыл бұрын
@@bradmcgrath358 Contact Performance Wholesale in Brisbane. They are our Australian distributor.
@timrayburn2461
@timrayburn2461 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how many people got shanked by Slick 50 ?
@aparamon
@aparamon 9 ай бұрын
Is any manufacturer uses cobalt steel to make piston rings? Cobalt drill bits are way better than Ti-N coated drill bits.
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal 9 ай бұрын
No, but Tool Steel with PVD coatings are used.
@kevinwest3689
@kevinwest3689 2 ай бұрын
I guess I can afford the best. My pro ls piston just arrived end they are crome face. 🤷‍♂️
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal 2 ай бұрын
Chrome faced oil rings are the standard
@kevinwest3689
@kevinwest3689 2 ай бұрын
@@TotalSeal it was Supposed to say can't. But. I just text summit to see if I could Exchange for your gas ported rings. If I put as much Effort intomy health, as my Motors. I would be friggin Bat MAN lol
@mikkotoikka3188
@mikkotoikka3188 3 ай бұрын
I support chrome. Those cheap normal rings last maybe 30k if you lucky. Chrome easy 300k.
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal 3 ай бұрын
These new coatings can outlive chrome!
@foghornleghorn8536
@foghornleghorn8536 3 ай бұрын
So you're telling us that as you made more runs the torque output increased. So had you left the chrome rings in and you made more runs what would have happened? No real need for you to answer that.
@TotalSeal
@TotalSeal 3 ай бұрын
The chrome rings already had been run in.
@pauljanssen7594
@pauljanssen7594 11 ай бұрын
Chrome rings were originally designed for engines that were going to eat dirt bottom line answer.
@justinarsenault1926
@justinarsenault1926 6 ай бұрын
I've got a 50cc piston. Does the chrome ring go on top or the black ring go on top???...2 groove piston
@craig8187
@craig8187 Жыл бұрын
Enough corny music, hyped up talking style and constantly talking over each other 🤦‍♂️
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