Track battle: 2019 VW Golf GTI TCR vs Honda Civic Type R

Track battle: 2019 VW Golf GTI TCR vs Honda Civic Type R | Autocar

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Two questions today, then: which car is faster and which car is more fun on this hot hatch track test? Is it the new Volkswagen Golf GTI TCR, the touring-car inspired version of VW’s archetypal hot Golf? Subscribe now: smarturl.it/autocar
Or is it the current benchmark big hatch, the Honda Civic Type R, which brings more than 300bhp to the track via its front wheels.
The Honda, we already know, is astonishingly capable. How focused is the Golf and can it compete with the Civic? Join us at Llandow circuit as we put the two sports hatches through their paces.
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@heamees4822 5 жыл бұрын

2 seconds around such short circuit is absolutely massive difference. Also i still dont get the appeal of the semi-automatics in hot hatches

@kurtphillips124 5 жыл бұрын

I guess it comes down to it just being easier to live with for most people. I used to hate it when I started driving a dsg because I couldn't gel with it and get it to behave how I wanted it to in drive or sport. But with an adjustment period and using the manual mode when appropriate, I can now honestly say that I could be happy with either. Imo (funds permitting) having both a good manual and a good dual clutch car is the way to go. Both different but rewarding experiences when driven appropriately.

@robertdebarge276 5 жыл бұрын

The DSG is tunable without needing to change the clutch. This was my motivation for buying a DSG. I've had my share of manuals and am happy to have the DSG as a daily. The DSG shifts excellently, as well.

@wilshirewarrior2783 5 жыл бұрын

How about FASTER shifting?

@Osprey1994 5 жыл бұрын

@@kurtphillips124 Agreed

@Osprey1994 5 жыл бұрын

Faster shifting, you can eat a snack and drive (not recommended), etc.

@deadlydizzle7588 5 жыл бұрын

I'm probably in a minority but I actually love the way the Type R looks. It's aggressive and chavtastic which for some reason appeals to the inner yob in me 😂

@FerrariKangaroo 5 жыл бұрын

I have to admit, I hated it at first but it's definitely growing on me. It looks better in real life as well IMO.

@blatantlyjohn6234 5 жыл бұрын

Its a grower

@jaylocke9574 5 жыл бұрын

Minorities, Majority, I own an fk8 type r and wouldn't want it to look any other way. Those who don't get the looks, don't get the Type-R..

@jaylocke9574 5 жыл бұрын

@@blatantlyjohn6234 and a shower, d funny that because you never have both. You get one or the other..

@jaylocke9574 5 жыл бұрын

@Subi_fan All vehicles bar super and hyper cars have them. Including Subaru.. 🏁🚥🚗🚘🚜

@yaz258 5 жыл бұрын

Really liking the extra stats when it comes to comparing the laptimes. You should do 60-100mph too

@alainguillemette7680 5 жыл бұрын

I can tell that the gti tcr has way more body roll by just looking at it

@nisrrah8198 5 жыл бұрын

yeah i also figured that

@-DC- 5 жыл бұрын

The Civic is in a different league a proper hardcore big hitter of a hot hatch.

@moneyparhar 5 жыл бұрын

Its rice boy car

@DelSolTypeR1987 5 жыл бұрын

@@moneyparhar well.. Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements... the Type R seems to do great on track so it kind of negates your whole comment

@DreamCarGarage1 5 жыл бұрын

WOW TCR! That takes me back. I had a set when I was a kid. Unlike Scaletric you could actually change lanes to overtake. Loved that set right up until my older brother took of the covers and souped up the engines (without my permision) to make them go faster. They weren't long for this world after that.

@davidkennedy1077 5 жыл бұрын

I had TCR, lucky for me we had a local shop that sold spares and new cars (i even later bought a Trans Am to go with my racing cars)I loved that set, and so did the group Sleaford Mods who even did a song called TCR a few years back, check it out on KZfaq. The guys are even playing with a TCR set in the video (that looks like the one I had)

@philmountain9290 5 жыл бұрын

Surely the TCR needs testing with the 20mm lower suspension and bigger wheels/tyres etc

@richardbaker696 5 жыл бұрын

Can only think performance pack 2 costs £3k in uk to include cup 2 tyres, making it much higher price than type r.

@richardbaker696 5 жыл бұрын

Yeah PP is a must. Few more options and it's getting on for £40k. Like the other comments, more marketing exercise than engineering one.

@gaycha6589 5 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Bowen - Golf regains ground come resale time. Every time. That's the true cost

@mickpreljevic6120 5 жыл бұрын

Bigger wheels won't do any good for handling trough the corners. And it will increase weight.

@wanglee21 4 жыл бұрын

Like he said even VW has a better setup called the "Club Sport S addition" (only to put numbers on Nurburgring) but still failed to Type R. Now there is a Type R TCR so comparison

@fragu123 5 жыл бұрын

Great work.... as always!

@JFinns 5 жыл бұрын

Love my Mk7 GTI Sport with manual transmission and welcome the competition from the Type R it's a beast.

@alainguillemette7680 5 жыл бұрын

Justin F i think by running the Mk7 GTI Sport it'll beat the Type R with very little money

@kurtphillips124 5 жыл бұрын

@@alainguillemette7680 until the Type R gets a little money and blows the VW out the water by even more

@eleonik76 5 жыл бұрын

@@kurtphillips124 By that time the engine of the Golf would be broken, so no need to invest..

@kurtphillips124 5 жыл бұрын

@@eleonik76 what do you mean? The EA888 is very reliable.

@eleonik76 5 жыл бұрын

@@kurtphillips124 You know nothing about engines. Let's start with the fact that VW didn't improve nothing from its first gen 888 and the issues with stretched timing chains, high oil consumption, etc are still same. What reliability you talking about? I seen them engines totaled in less than 100k

@blatantlyjohn6234 5 жыл бұрын

Imagine if Honda brought out a track focused version of the Type R lol

@Chris-nw6ws 5 жыл бұрын

Check out the Spy shots of a more track focused version of the type r testing around the nurburgring

@ThunderWindz 5 жыл бұрын

@НАТО в шоке, США обосрались ehhh

@blatantlyjohn6234 5 жыл бұрын

its not tho is it@НАТО в шоке, США обосрались

@peterbennpan7288 5 жыл бұрын

Like a Mugen

@ld9387 5 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-nw6ws I'm sure it's just a facelift

@GHinWI 5 жыл бұрын

Just hard to get excited about an automatic transmission in that class of car.

@Inspector7I 4 жыл бұрын

Its not an auto...its an automated manual. Look it up

@what-jh4iq 4 жыл бұрын

@@Inspector7I Semi automatic you mean? Like...paddle shifters? Still boring :| If you can't rev match and heel toe where is the fun...

@JoeBlo2 5 жыл бұрын

Two seconds slower? Even with DCT and a power bump?

@flacjacket 5 жыл бұрын

It doesn't have the performance pack so it's kind of a silly comparo since the Type R costs way more and is on much stickier tires, with the performance pack it gets lower firmer suspension with dynamic chassis control and cup 2s which on their own would probably close most of the lap time gap.

@JD2ndcity 5 жыл бұрын

@@flacjacket what's unfair about the tyres? Cup2s are a track focused tyre.

@ghostinthemachine76 5 жыл бұрын

flacjacket The Type R is cheaper than the TCR.

@mrcwr8523 5 жыл бұрын

@flacjacket If you put them both on Cup 2 tyres the CTR would undoubtedly be the faster car. Steve Sutcliffe got a 45.8 lap time round Llandow in another video for Auto Express. According to Fastest Laps, that’s quicker than the times he got in an M2 and F80 M3. It was 0.1 seconds slower than he got in a 550bhp GTR and was faster than Jethro Bovingdon’s lap time in a 991 Carrera. Not bad for a car costing from £31,550 (£33,550 for GT spec). The Golf TCR starts from £34,065 for a 3 door with no options.

@ghostinthemachine76 5 жыл бұрын

Mr Cwr 👍

@SilverScarletSpider 5 жыл бұрын

Slow is slow. No excuses.

@Shadowboost 5 жыл бұрын

2 seconds is massive. You'd feel the difference of that even on the street

@mannyechaluce3814 5 жыл бұрын

definitely, you would be 2 second late for work, that is huge !!

@willzhi8291 4 жыл бұрын

Manny Echaluce sayinghonda is good hurts you too

@john_dee1431 5 жыл бұрын

Good video. Personally, I think VW as a corporation was compelled to rate the power options with respect to the existing R, Clubsport, and regular GTI.

@quicknickdriver8510 5 жыл бұрын

I am your age and totally remember total control racing with those tiny cars. The type R was inevitably going to be quicker than the golf, but not necessarily more engaging, fun or comfortable on the road. But as a track car, the tcr golf seems a bit gimmicky in the shadow of club sport S. Nice video Matt, like your style

@shaoyang5650 5 жыл бұрын

This guy is totally bias towards the gti. Said it from the start

@paulallwood6033 5 жыл бұрын

Can we have a Megane Rs 300 Trophy against the Civic next please Autocar???

@kwokyinay 5 жыл бұрын

@autocar Which car in this category is most fun? Is it the megane rs or the i30n or m140i?

@jamiep61 5 жыл бұрын

Another Great Autocar Video

@techyd8411 5 жыл бұрын

Quite a gap for such a short circuit...can’t help but think the tyres the golf was on probably lost it the turn-in bite it would have if it were on cup 2s... Still Honda for me, I think they are great, a proper hot hatch and I love the looks...very tempted to get one next year but we’ll see!

@litespeed65 5 жыл бұрын

I really like the Honda and see the GTI as a Marketing exercise, but after owning 4 GTI's and now a Golf R, I'm over trying to squeeze a lot of HP out of the front wheels alone.

@sbaddison 5 жыл бұрын

I had TCR in the late 70s / early 80s😁👍🏻

@nikb6528 5 жыл бұрын

Getting fed of all these GTI variations nowadays. Can't they just make a good car and call it a GTI?

@davidhayes4814 5 жыл бұрын

All large manufacturers are prone to cash out retiring models, with limited editions. Given the long delay in introducing the Mark 8, this must be an even bigger temptation. The Mark 8 GTI won’t be introduced for ages. This seems to be quite poor value compared with the Golf R or even the 245 PS GTI. If it had been given an extra 100 PS and was stripped out, then it would be collectible. I can’t see this being a “must have” limited edition. A missed opportunity, perhaps?

@WeirdBrick 5 жыл бұрын

Indeed but that would upset Golf R owners. I dont get this model at all, just a way of making a few extra £££! No one will remember it.

@michellecoulson6303 5 жыл бұрын

David Hayes Do you think this car is really good?

@gbej1 5 жыл бұрын

VW has no choice but to pitch the TCR just below the Golf R

@mikewhitehead50 5 жыл бұрын

power-wise, yes. on this evidence it could do with being a little sharper in the handling department though.

@Chris-tq2xu 5 жыл бұрын

@@mikewhitehead50 yuo can get a Performance Pack for the TCR and i can't understand why the Testcar is without it for a Tracktest. This test is useless.

@mikewhitehead50 5 жыл бұрын

Chris 84 possibly because a basic TCR is already at least as expensive as the Civic. Tyres wouldn’t make up that much on such a short lap. It’s not a totally useless test.

@Chris-tq2xu 5 жыл бұрын

@@mikewhitehead50 tue Performance Pack is not only Tyres. And a Tracktest without a availble TrackPack is useless and not fair in my opinion.

@jaylocke9574 5 жыл бұрын

@@Chris-tq2xu Not to mention that if a car ever really needed the pack it was now, going against the top dog.

@zacs5773 5 жыл бұрын

Love the Total Control Reference 👍🏻

@michellecoulson6303 5 жыл бұрын

Zac S Do you think this car is really good?

@zacs5773 5 жыл бұрын

Michelle Morgan Not good enough as I just cancelled my order...

@michellecoulson6303 5 жыл бұрын

Zac S ...You seems to be a nice person and would like to know more you outside KZfaq if you don’t mind ..?

@zacs5773 5 жыл бұрын

Michelle Morgan Thank you Michelle but Matts a much better source of credible car reviews than I would be any day...

@michellecoulson6303 5 жыл бұрын

Zac S Yeah that’s nice ..can we text outside KZfaq if you don’t mind..?

@lansiman 5 жыл бұрын

500 pound for that ugly stickers? jeez i thought my phone was expensive

@lansiman 5 жыл бұрын

Vinny Booboo 900 pounds s10 plus

@lansiman 5 жыл бұрын

@Vinny Booboo i'm rocking both iphone x and s10 plus,love both

@Inspector7I 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah but, at least you know from 100 ft away that is a tcr and not a average golf

@danilorodriguez4665 5 жыл бұрын

Great video, more comparison please

@KOL630 3 жыл бұрын

I just bought an older MK 7 gti after owning lots of fast French cars overs the years. It’s a great car. Definitely not as exciting as a Megane trophy by a long shot or as focused but as a daily do it all car it’s brilliant. Less exciting when you don’t want it to be and less exhausting when you do want it to be (if that makes sense!)

@trubblman 3 жыл бұрын

Massive shout-out for the TCR callback.

@tedtheturbot 5 жыл бұрын

Please can you keep a POV cam inset so as to be able to see how she moves throughout the lap?

@christopherthompson7443 2 жыл бұрын

Own the Type R what a brilliant well engineered machine, love or hate it, credit where credit is due. Well done Honda. Looks are purposely functional.

@MajorAMinor 5 жыл бұрын

Do the Megane 300 Trophy vs the Civic please

@ericheadley 5 жыл бұрын

And here is the kicker, you know that the Honda will be basically bulletproof for the next 10 years; the Golf.... start befriending your mechanic now.

@lewisratford2908 5 жыл бұрын

Driven a MK 7.5 Gti on a regular basis and it’s just so slick and brilliant at everything. Don’t be fooled though as the TCR is pretty much a bhp bump with cosmetics. The optional performance packs will still leave it trailing behind the type r. The TCR is a bit at odds with itself as wont challenge the dynamics of the R but is a lot louder and brash to what Gti owners go for. Great car though be it a bit pricy

@cosminmihu9963 5 жыл бұрын

I bought the R and am very looking forward to it. I'm sure the driving position, engine, and gearbox are perfect. Only thing that worries me is how easy everyone says it is to drive, how the control is quite neutral. I had a Megane RS 265 and 275, and it could get quite wild at the limit. It's beautiful control and feel is what made it the most fun car i've ever driven. The Clio RS trophy I had after was disappointing in this regard.

@DelSolTypeR1987 5 жыл бұрын

on normal roads you will not get the type R to behave nervous unless you are wanting to break the speed limits very hard lol. On a track though and if you have plenty of skill to drive it on the edge it will behave like a ragged dog. It has a fairly high limit though so it brings some danger too.

@cosminmihu9963 5 жыл бұрын

@Yann Dupuis Thanks, in my country the law is "relaxed", I can drive twice the speed limit with no problem. Just need Waze.

@galacticmaui2 5 жыл бұрын

This review seems a bit biased. The reviewer seems to try hard to spin negative things about the Golf in a positive way and discredit the type R. If he prefers the VW that’s totally fine but if you are making a comparison you should minimize biases.

@m22_media95 5 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed the video apart from the unnecessary camera angles during the hot laps. Just need the forward facing camera.

@chrisclokey4840 4 жыл бұрын

I find track tests kind of pointless unless the cars are purposely built for the track, these are road cars so test them on the road. The TCR is also completely different with the lower suspension, 19" wheels an DCC fitted.

@BobK5 4 жыл бұрын

Is the Golf in ‘comfort mode’?

@spartanwarrior4632 3 жыл бұрын

Like it or not the civic type r turbo fk8 is the best hot hatch pound for pound performance car in the world. And its still got manual shifting, fwd,

@user-zu7hr6wh6o Ай бұрын

For saying how relatively close the Golf can get, and it’s better ability as a daily, I’d say this is the victor. If you’re that into track drivings and still need a daily, I think there are more interesting options than the Civic (in my humble opinion)

@falcolotfi1549 5 жыл бұрын

Just from the start, 28..somthing hp showcased how much vw envy civic type r which continue To boast the Whole package hot hatch should has.

@Shan2nu 5 жыл бұрын

If not for the 7 spd dsg box, it would have been another sec or 2 slower.

@KonBlo 4 жыл бұрын

About 1" faster was Steve Sutcllif in the same car (fk8 Type R) on the same track.

@jessek9985 5 жыл бұрын

If you think the Gti has a lot of body roll you should try taking my Jimny through a round about lol, Seriously though in my 1.4L Golf TSI I never knew what body roll felt like, Then I bought a Jimny.

@RomaneMaticaliseGordon 5 жыл бұрын

What’s the sense comparing any hatchback with the Type R? It’s always going to win. It’s just that good

@mjozic3785 5 жыл бұрын

Why didn’t you use the performance pack that’s the only thing that differences from the rest of the golf range....!!!

@sharvan456 5 жыл бұрын

I would like a comparison between the Civic Type R and the Golf R.

@dantem306 5 жыл бұрын

I think they should have given the GTI the is38 turbo from the golf R/TTRS.

@MLeeder53 5 жыл бұрын

no manual and slower.. hmm. might be competition for the Hyundai N not the CTR

@m3rilla 5 жыл бұрын

I own track ready Ep3 and standard fn2

@chawenhalo0089 5 жыл бұрын

I wonder how the TCR compares to the 40th Anniversary...

@ZZGTKING 5 жыл бұрын

With my standard GTI, with the DCC in comfort mode, the car is actually faster on the track with less understeer compare to the sport

@kurtphillips124 5 жыл бұрын

I'm curious as to whether that would change with grippier tyres

@ZZGTKING 5 жыл бұрын

Kurt Phillips The balance of the vehicle can always change if you use different tires, but being gripper doesn’t mean it is definitely going to be more understeer, the car can also be more tail happy.

@gumpy4960 5 жыл бұрын

So what exactly is the point of yet another golf gti variant and why would anyone buy it over the other gtis or golf r

@guillermosanchez2783 5 жыл бұрын

The Type-R competition was the Golf R and still didn't win. At least there is a manual version of the Golf R. What are the final prices on the street? In terms of agility, especially for the daily driver, the two seconds doesn't matter either, sporty experience while driving does, reliability does. Out of these two, I prefer the Type-R, if both cost the same, of course. The manual transmission in a sporty car makes a big difference in the driving experience. I still prefer to drive my STI rather than those two, slower or faster, I couldn't care less. Is the mechanical driving experience, that is vanishing from the sporty cars, that would make me pick the STI today. There are rumors that in the future, the STI would not come with a manual, so the situation doesn't escape even the models that seem to bring the driving experience alive, even today.

@unassailable6138 5 жыл бұрын

STI, lol. With that engine sitting way in front of the front axle, causing extreme understeer, you bet SLOWER.

@guillermosanchez2783 5 жыл бұрын

@@unassailable6138 Yes! you're right, slower. However, I wish I had learned a long time ago that numbers are not all to achieve the desired driving experience. Before buying the STI, I changed my GTI DSG for a 2015 WRX thinking that I was outsmarting any STI buyer. Fortunately, I didn't buy the STIs that Subaru sold knowing that they were unreliable, but if I would have avoided that issue, I might have been still with the car that I could have bought back at that when I bought my GTI. Again for mere numbers, there are Teslas there, but how much enjoyment this car produces, makes me think that if Subaru goes automatic in the next gen, I'll keep this one for as long as I can.

@robertl2856 5 жыл бұрын

Great item thanks

@Chris-nw6ws 5 жыл бұрын

Civic looks so much better then the boring old golf

@waiz0231 5 жыл бұрын

What are golf supposed to look like ? Mk1 ? Honda are all ugly in general

@sparkplug964 4 жыл бұрын

For the money you should be getting the 19" and performance pack as standard, TCR seem to be a bit of a gimmick if you ask me.

@grantmotox123 5 жыл бұрын

The golf is basically a more expensive and softer Leon Cupra then

@kurtphillips124 5 жыл бұрын

Nailed it. This car is pointless.

@waiz0231 5 жыл бұрын

Still not as ugly as a f... Honda lol

@g00dfeeling 5 жыл бұрын

4:52 He should buy some new sweater/jumper thing. Is this some new style I'm not aware of.

@paullockwood7219 5 жыл бұрын

But the Golf doesn't look like Sonic the Hedgehog. I do love the Type R though. Great car if you're 25 and loaded.

@FK_H8r 5 жыл бұрын

Honda FTW.

@chrisgregson3626 5 жыл бұрын

Get someone else in front of the camera Autocar. I’ve no doubt this bloke has knowledge, talent and experience in abundance. But my god is he dull! You hear about jaded car journo’s, this is the epitome of it. Seriously cool job, would it really be that hard to look like you enjoy it?

@cress1jzmm 5 жыл бұрын

Specifically stated that they didn't get the tire and suspension package for the tcr lol

@charliepattinson6660 5 жыл бұрын

Who’s going to pay for that graphic, awful and cheap

@Kelveron 5 жыл бұрын

Agreed, not great, but nowhere as scary bad as Civic's styling and its OTT spoiler!

@troyarmstrong434 5 жыл бұрын

@@Kelveron is the Honda the superior car...?

@exvitermini 5 жыл бұрын

The right question is who pays for group vag tin cans.

@Kelveron 5 жыл бұрын

@@troyarmstrong434 Well, going by the review here, on track yes, but on road no.

@gaycha6589 5 жыл бұрын

tensnake bl - I do!

@Timmy63 5 жыл бұрын

The honda sufer fron road & wind noise spetualy in high speed & the front seat has a short leg suport In a long ride you start to feel pain.

@michellecoulson6303 5 жыл бұрын

Tamir ahronee Do you think this car is really good?

@longtailgt 5 жыл бұрын

As much as I love the Civic, I'd have the Golf. It's the nicer car of the two, looks better and with a few minor modifications it'll be faster.

@YoureDumbForLife 5 жыл бұрын

But with a few minor modifications to the Type R wouldn't that then be faster?

@matthewp9015 5 жыл бұрын

YoureDumbForLife Yes, but not as easy to change the looks of the Type-R as it is to get more power from the Golf.

@stevecuahuizo792 5 жыл бұрын

I use to drive Honda’s when I was in high school .

@douglasmillar7560 3 жыл бұрын

with a sunroof... odd in a supposedly sportier gti

@ghostinthemachine76 5 жыл бұрын

Why would anybody buy a TCR, when you can buy a Golf R for the same money?

@lewisratford2908 5 жыл бұрын

It’s actually more fun ( could say that’s preference ) but agree you would really want to have a GTI rather than the extra AWD. The TCR looks the business to as the R is quite vanilla

@ghostinthemachine76 5 жыл бұрын

Tuco Salamanca Obviously. I was referring to the price. The Golf R is the same money.

@ghostinthemachine76 5 жыл бұрын

lewis Ratford You’re right, it is preference. Personally I think the R is better looking. And those optional TCR stickers are awful. But anyone wanting a GTI over an R would be mad to spend £35K +£2K for the Performance Pack. Save around £5K, buy the GTI Performance and APR it. A faster car for thousands less.

@kurtphillips124 5 жыл бұрын

@@ghostinthemachine76 or if you want a similar car for less, without tuning >>>> Leon Cupra

@ghostinthemachine76 5 жыл бұрын

Kurt Phillips Good shout 👍🏻

@petercavellini3232 5 жыл бұрын

Yes, all this proves that the Civic is faster handles a shade better and so on, but most of us wouldn’t drive our cars like this because it wears them out faster, there’s the potential for a life threatening event, and, are you really going to play chase me on the road every time you see a type R?

@dlombana161 4 жыл бұрын

Some of us go on track though...and considering how quick it was for MK7s to give my CTR a point by, the difference is even more massive on a bigger track. I'm not saying everyone lives on the track everyday but consider this. You have a very good daily and STILL can have more fun than allowed on track whenever you choose, as opposed to a fun daily is just that...and kind of understeers everywhere the few opportunities where you really get to test its limits. I's a bit deflating as an owner...I've been in that situation before.

@ctsteve9199 4 жыл бұрын

No, because it's not worth doing, both for us and for the potential danger to others, I know and they know that in this class with a clear road and a competent driver the Type R will win, why bother? Just sit back and smile,

@Nismoleb89 4 жыл бұрын

So vw will sell you a touring car racing edition of a car thats already supposed to be performance version of a golf but still want you to pay extra for a performance pack...

@rceauto 5 жыл бұрын

This Golf TCR don't have the option Performance Pack (19-inch alloy wheels with 235/35 R 19 sports tyres (semislicks), plus additional anti-theft wheel locks, Vmax limit removal and adaptive Dynamic Chassis Control (DCC) including running gear that is lower by 20mm compared with the normal running gear (five millimetres less as compared to the GTI running gear) as well as a special sports adjustment of the front axle and rear axle shock absorbers) and that make a big diference!

@WeirdBrick 5 жыл бұрын

And it would still be slower than the civic type r and golf clubsport! I dont really get this car at all.

@rceauto 5 жыл бұрын

@@WeirdBrick, the TCR is the best all around in the segment!

@youtubed9695 5 жыл бұрын

Civic didn't need any extras? Normal tyres and a proper chasis

@rceauto 5 жыл бұрын

@@youtubed9695, but the Civic have more 20hp and manual box! In the track that´s very important!

@youtubed9695 5 жыл бұрын

@@rceauto yes manual boxes are slower too... DSG means it shifts fast therefore allowing more gears and tighter ratios meaning more power and torque more of the time... so put a dsg on the civic and it would be another second or more faster again

@jamesbuckingham77 5 жыл бұрын

I don't get why it's called a Golf TCR when it looks nothing like a TCR car. It's like Honda releasing another Type R without any rear wing, flared arches, vents or spoilers and calling it a BTCC edition.

@giuseppealejandrolicci3637 4 жыл бұрын

VW GTI IS THE QUEEN! ABSOLUTELY! Please don't joke at "taxi driver" in this short circuit: mayby is the Luna Park circuit?!! I never seen the record time lap of Honda Type r on the Nurburgring Nordshleife or in Imola in the last 3/4 months. In THE NURBURGRING or IMOLA CIRCUITS I remember all the times only The record lap of VW GTI TCR or R: THE QUEENS! What else!!! GOLF GTI or R all the times! Ciao from Italy

@user-hj2se6qr6f 5 жыл бұрын

Clubsports should be the proper rival

@pswmetalmonkey 5 жыл бұрын

VW's 5 or 6th attempt? LOL

@MzwandileHarmans 5 жыл бұрын

Honda Civic type r is the best front wheel drive hot hatch and there is no other. It most reliable too

@rajindernijjer 5 жыл бұрын

Should do it againt golf r

@jaylocke9574 5 жыл бұрын

I can count approximately three or four special edition GTI's, to have a shot at the Type-R. All have failed and done so miserably. VW should be tuning the R if they want a shot at the title. I can't see the Honda being beaten anytime soon and it has been out for 2 years. Maybe the A35. Stop with the GTI already, Honda is pooping them out it's exhaust.

@gaycha6589 5 жыл бұрын

Jay Locke - not reflected in the TypeR Sales figures. With Swindon closing its all over for CTR in UK

@jaylocke9574 5 жыл бұрын

@@gaycha6589 Sad days, I find it hard to believe this machine will not have a full cycle of development. All we will be left with will be expensive character less hyper hatches that the driver will point and shoot. I love the rawness of my R.

@kurtphillips124 5 жыл бұрын

@@jaylocke9574 it may be raw compared to the supremely dull Golf R, but when I test drove the Civic I found it hugely capable but fairly tame overall. The ease and fluidity of driving it normally and fast was greater than I had expected, but it wasn't as thrilling as I had hoped it to be.

@pswmetalmonkey 5 жыл бұрын

@@gaycha6589 Global sales of the CTR are epic, the Swindon factory closing has nothing to do with the sales numbers.

@piero914 5 жыл бұрын

@@pswmetalmonkey Yeah I believe they're just moving production to the U.S. Everyone relax lol

@haniefnoor403 3 жыл бұрын

Thats a tcr model, not the standard version,

@NeillyVille 5 жыл бұрын

I'd still take the Golf R, thanks

@troyarmstrong434 5 жыл бұрын

No T

@gaycha6589 5 жыл бұрын

I did

@ma-moodz9217 4 жыл бұрын

Lovley Honda CIVIC Type R'

@nodarnodari281 5 жыл бұрын

Honda civic ❤️

@sr71blackbirddr 5 жыл бұрын

Golfs have become dull as dish water and this is no diffrent yet another slightly tweaked version of the base GTI. Have they followed the formula of porsche with the 911?

@Mexxx65 5 жыл бұрын

@5:33 "So the Civic is just about as fast as any other FWD road car around this small --- circuit" What pray tell does that comment....mean ?????

@superhulkful 5 жыл бұрын

Correction: The type R IS the FASTEST FWD production vehicle to this day.

@thefridgeman 5 жыл бұрын

weird. The Golf on Cup 2s and with the tricky LSD (should cure understeer) is slower and understeers more? Sure. How about get a better driver next time, Autocar?

@Anonymous-PL 5 жыл бұрын

TCR vs Megane RS Trophy

@ironworker3330 4 жыл бұрын

If I had to choose between the two I would definitely take the Honda.

@Rockytroys 5 жыл бұрын

Type R. What a machine

@FlyinGato 5 жыл бұрын

Get the Type R to get he best lap times, the GTI if you want to be comfortable

@djs18 5 жыл бұрын

Just don't change the rim size and you'll be fine. Once you alter the rim size, it alters the entire geometry of the suspension and it will never handle the same.

@anthonyashton3000 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve got a TCR in a box in the loft 😀

@eyesrightout 5 жыл бұрын

"Electronic LSD" in fact has nothing in common with real mechanical gizmo of the same name

@petercavellini3232 4 жыл бұрын

The Golf is so far behind is because it’s just not digital enough, the Honda has loads of tech helping it to be a better drive, the problem for VW is, the Gti is already a dear car, and to add the tech to solve it overall driving problems, it would be expensive, and that’s the problem, lots of other brands have come up with Gti bashing cars for around thirty grand, VW can’t just bank on the iconic status of the Gti anymore.

@dskribe9598 5 жыл бұрын

Now if only the dealers in my part of the world weren't asking $51k USD for a Type-R, I would have bought one. Settled for an SI instead and saved $20k+ in doing so. What are these dealers thinking?!?! $50K for a 300hp hot hatch?!?! No.

@dylanburger217 5 жыл бұрын

I know they are ruthless! You've got to shop all over the country if you want an R, I was lucky I knew my dealer so I got mine just over MSRP with minor goodies like tint thrown in.

@piero914 5 жыл бұрын

That's nuts. Are you in Cali? I'm from NYC and I got mine for MSRP.

@dskribe9598 5 жыл бұрын

@@piero914 Even worse, Southwest Florida. Every single dealership around me has the R's priced at $50k+.

@piero914 5 жыл бұрын

@@dskribe9598 A few dealers by me wanted the same, but then eventually I found a dealership that was sane. Enjoy your Si. Great car.

@dskribe9598 5 жыл бұрын

@@piero914 Exactly! I am really happy with my SI and with the all the money I saved, it might be time to invest in some aftermarket toys! Enjoy your R! :)

@aicru 5 жыл бұрын

Id still pick type r

@johnjackson12 5 жыл бұрын

This golf should be where the regular golf gti should be. Not as fast as a type r but competitive in the current hot hatch market. The 230 bhp non performance pack gti is way too tame slow and boring to be considered a hot hatch imo

@MrRonan3 5 жыл бұрын

lets not forget. the golf MK7 is now over 5 years old.the civic is Honda"s latest creation.VW need to bring the MK8 sooner rather than later. its started to full behind and thats coming from a VW fan who drives a Golf R,