Tractor Winches Logs Around Corners and Uphill

Tractor Winches Logs Around Corners and Uphill | Best Forestry Tool I Own

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2 жыл бұрын

If you've never seen this before check it out as my tractor winches logs around corners and uphills on today's episode. My Wallenstein FX85 is getting put to the test today as I locate some logs in the middle of my red pine plantation that needs to come out to make siding width. As many of you know, all my lumber that I use for my various projects comes from my own woodlot. Gaining access to this timber can be challenging when the desired trees are packed tightly amongst other trees. My Kioti DK40 and my Wallenstein winch allow me to gain access to trees that I can't drive equipment to and help me to easily and safely get the logs I need for lumber. As you'll see in today's video, I'm making use of my yellow nose cone to help me guide logs amongst standing trees and around objects. If you haven't tried one of these they sure are handy units. I'm also utilizing a snatch block to guide logs around 90 degree corners. With a bit of fancy rigging, you'll see me skid 50 feet of logs in one pull! Once I've got all the logs winched up to the landing I put my HLA 66" root rake with grapple through it's paces and load up my logs at my sawmill for processing. Although this forestry work can be tiring as a one-person operation, it sure is enjoyable getting out and getting some fresh air from time-to-time. Glad all you folks came along! Here we go!
Tractor used in this video: 2012 Kioti DK40se HST
Winch used in this video: 2021 Wallenstein FX85
Nose Cone used in this video: Portable Winch company Skidding Cone
Snatch Block used in this video: Ranger brand
Grapple used in this video: 66" Root Rake with Grapple (hydraulics running off rear remotes)

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@Wheelloader__ 2 жыл бұрын

I was a logger for 12 years. Trust me anything that can happen will happen. Keep your guard up. You can never be to careful. Stay safe. Awesome video.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely right there!

@philiphymansr 3 ай бұрын

You work as a one man team very well. Super idea! Phil

@sawingwithsandy 3 ай бұрын

Thanks Phil!

@jimmerrithew453 Жыл бұрын

Hi Sandy. It is great that you make a habit of having and wearing your PPE. You also take the time to study every situation and checking your surroundings often. Jim

@sawingwithsandy Жыл бұрын

Thanks for that Jim

@Andrew_From_NB Жыл бұрын

Hey Sandy! Great time out in the woods there, appreciate you having us over, I’m always learning from your videos! Cheers!

@sawingwithsandy Жыл бұрын

Cheers!

@lumberjill6598 2 жыл бұрын

Here's how I look at it, remember what equipment you had to use when you first started hauling logs to what you have now. So much easier even if you have to walk back and forth to unhook/hook cables. I figured the extra steps keep a person in shape. Even noticed your getting a good collection of chokers, pulleys and chains. You should be pretty proud of your little operation Sandy! Enjoy the wonderful fall weather man! 🍁

@garywilser7802 2 жыл бұрын

That looks to me like a professional logging operation !

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Gary. I’m sure trying my best. Lots to improve on though I’m sure

@adammoggysawmilling5164 2 жыл бұрын

Just a little tip from someone who has ran a winch for 30 years you only need your tractor at a idle to operate the winch saves you fuel and wear and tear on your tractor engine and your winch

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! This was just above idle.

@JaseVaughn 2 жыл бұрын

The trade off is you’ll be doing more regenerations with all that idling. ;)

@D58OFOYDRDT 2 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy jhkjj

@GoodWorksTractors 2 жыл бұрын

I could hardly hear his tractor. Sounded like pretty low rpm's. Not many attachments operate well at idle. Pretty cool.

@markgomm2618 2 жыл бұрын

sandy, your going to be extremely happy you bought that winch

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with ya there. Sure does make it easier

@Mountaintoptractor 10 ай бұрын

Sandy, a time saving suggestion, maybe there was a reason you said or showed and i didnt notice it....however my suggestion would be in this particular situation espcially with the snach block, i would dragnthe entire log to the tractor whole, then cut into smaller pieces, this way you only have to walk out to the log 1time and no resetting the snath blocks etc. Good video though, I have been shopping for a 3 point winch for awhile.

@johnbourgeois1414 2 жыл бұрын

Good job

@waynesheffield7011 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Sandy. I think you could have avoided making the hole in the skidding cone larger by running the choker chain through the cone, and connecting that to the chain hook. That's the way the video at PortableWinch shows how to use the skidding cone.

@lashlarue7924 2 жыл бұрын

Good job! 👍

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@hyjackr 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Sandy, love the content. 540 rpm for your particular tractor is between 2000 and 2400 rpm. At around 2000 rpm the hydrolics will still function at or above 90%, still being able to lift or do whatever you need Slower the rpms are slower the movement's will be, easy to control. Not running at max rpm will prolong the life of your tractor. Not criticizing, just suggesting. I've run heavy equipment, in excavating for over 30 years, with a post as a heavy equipment instructor in the army. Thanks for your content love your channel. Like I said just offering knowledge, not bashing.

@evilbrat5376 2 жыл бұрын

Mike Morgan of Outdoors With The Morgan's has the Wallenstein Winche on his property and it has come in very handy. You will love yours too.

@philiphymansr 3 ай бұрын

Cone cup very useful

@sawingwithsandy 3 ай бұрын

Absolutely

@billthomas7185 2 жыл бұрын

I have yet to see a fellow with one of those winches get the tractor to the wood. It's like I got 150 feet of cable, lets walk back and forth as far away as I can. I have logged with JD 350 crawler and cable jammer and dump trailer. Forwarder, and now Kubota. Pallet forks for 100" pulp, box blade set up to pole skid big stuff. 3 stick logs in winter, to dirty to do that in summer. But I always get the tractor to the wood.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

The main reason I bought the winch was so I could bring the wood out of tight areas where I couldn’t get the tractor to

@MetaView7 2 жыл бұрын

What a beautiful set up you have. Envy Envy.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks appreciate that

@rancelynch6514 2 жыл бұрын

The winches x 2 (portable & tractor) are a necessity in the passion of sawing. Good work and videoing. Gotta get ready before the snow.

@savannahrei8674 2 жыл бұрын

That is a cool winch. With some pullies you can use it to lift very heavy things up in the air

@GoodWorksTractors 2 жыл бұрын

Great video Sandy. I just got the same winch. Good to see a bit of it in action. I have also seen those releasing Good comments here too. I've considered one of those auto release pulleys. Looks like that could be a real time saver too. Oh, and nice camera work! I'm guessing your handling that yourself? I can appreciate all the extra time involved with that. 👍

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching. Good to hear you’ve got the same unit. Hopefully one day I can Get one of those snatch blocks. It pricey but I’ll save up. Yeah the camera work takes a bit if extra time for sure. Glad you liked it

@Jim-si7wz 2 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy maybe one day you will add the little dollar icon at the bottom of the video box so we can give a few extra dollars to help out with the channel, others do why not you, I love just sitting here in the warm house and watching your videos, if I wasn't disabled I think I would love to get a place like yours and just enjoy the hard work it is so good for your body if you do it right but will wreck it if you dont.

@richardbrowne1679 2 жыл бұрын

Great Job- I really enjoyed the video.

@chriscox6598 2 жыл бұрын

Great job. That winch system is the ticket for what you are trying to accomplish for your pine plantation. Just watch which side of the choker hooks you pull against. Noticed once you was pulling against the open side. Shouldn’t really matter much with the smaller ones but it’s a bad habit to get into if you pull something bigger

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the heads up Chris

@Gnomoleon 2 жыл бұрын

Sweet winch ... super jealous. Maybe if I win the lottery. Keep on sawing !

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@toddrabideau5576 2 жыл бұрын

Lookin good Sandy👍. Nothin like a nice day in the woods, eh

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

I’m with ya on that one Todd!

@russellbelliveau1694 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome work, you will learn small tricks on how to position your chain hooks to bypass stumps and trees, I can see you may need a log trailer some day lol, although that dirt you have there isn’t too bad on blades like gravel and rocks. I use a wire brush to get the dirt off before I saw a dirty log. Richard makes a nice brush you put on a broom handle Canadian tire have them. Keep up the great work .

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think you’re right. I try to stick to skidding in winter but got behind a bit here. Trails are so narrow makes it tricky

@Bikeeast 2 жыл бұрын

Good tip on that brush, thanks.

@xpoolguy5406 2 жыл бұрын

Lots of work done in 24 minutes. Nice one.. Rethinking what toys I need this winter. I still think my grapple is the best tool I own

@pauls4708 Жыл бұрын

i dont know what they are called but you can get pulleys that relaease the line as the log approaches so it will make the turn itself

@Derwentmole 2 жыл бұрын

Ah….The skidding nose cone….! 😄😃

@GPOutdoors 2 жыл бұрын

Looked like a beautiful day to be out in the forest Sandy. Th winch is working awesome for you. Just my thoughts, honestly; not sure I see the value in the nose cone. A few folks have suggested I use one, but I don't think the small potential benefit of it is worth the hassle of managing it on and off etc. But happy it is working out for you. Thanks for sharing and be safe out there!

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah I think that nose cone does it's best work in the winter when I find the logs really dig down and get stuck in the deep snow. In the warmer weather I think I probably could do without it at times especially with the hard ground.

@TheFlatlander440 2 жыл бұрын

Good vid and I bet you'll want that remote once you have to trudge through 2 feet of snow back and forth to the tractor, lol. Oh, and get yourself a self releasing pulley, you'll thank yourself over and over especially as inexpensive as they are. Cheers!

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah think you’re right!

@jimputnam2044 2 жыл бұрын

But after you have the log up you have to go get that dam pulley anyway.

@profdave2861 2 жыл бұрын

I too have the FX85 winch and I gave some serious thought to the remote control option but decided to buy the manual version. Maybe I’m missing something, but I could only thing of two situations where the remote would be an advantage. One would be if a choker on the log(s) pulled off and you had to re-set, and the other would be that it would allow you to collect the snatch block and strap on your last trip to the tractor without walking back to get it. In every other situation, you still have to walk back to the tractor either to release the logs and pull the cable back for another, or to harness the logs and drive away. I’m very happy with the manual versions, and hey - most of need a bit more exercise anyway!

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Filming the back and forth would likely help but besides that you’re spot on

@smoothlandin 2 жыл бұрын

Another selling point is cutting the limbs you know you can't reach from underneath. Just winch a little with the choker set to roll the log and you're back to de-limbing. Or when you get it hung up on a stump. With a peavy in one hand, winch remote in the other, easily free it and keep winching. Glad you're liking it regardless! I don't have the remote either and have pulled at least 300 cord without a remote. The cone is nice but it can be cumbersome to carry along with saw, chokers, cable, etc. I ditched it awhile back but also primarily skid in the winter.

@koningbolo4700 2 жыл бұрын

If you were to use a plumbing plunger in the front of the yellow nose cone, cut it open to put in the cable and glue it shut with rubber cement you will have a friction fit over the cable which prevents the cone from sliding away from the front of the log...

@richardsabean5781 2 жыл бұрын

Back -up to the trees as close as you can,, more chains,, bigger load!! stay safe aloha..

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Richard!

@richardsabean5781 2 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy Last winter I saw 3 winches 4 sale here in Maine USA in FB market place!!! The highest price was 2K,, one was $300,, i thought about calling,, but the borders were closed.. You could have come across Mexico,, gotten 3 or 4 thousand from Biden,, bought the winches & drove back to Canada with your ID!! lol

@feelingold2995 2 жыл бұрын

It wont take long for the new winch to pay for itself in time saved.. Feel lucky you arnt my neighbor, ide be bugging you to borrow it lol... Keep up the good work there brother..

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks Steve

@roberto.peterson9917 2 жыл бұрын

Need one of those auto release pulleys designed for what you were doing when choker line gets to pulley it automatically dops out a d change direction of pull with out having to unhook and rehook

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I’m with ya on that one Robert. Those sure are slick

@deeprootslandscaping4499 2 жыл бұрын

Crazy expensive though

@roberto.peterson9917 2 жыл бұрын

@@deeprootslandscaping4499 but when skidding Alot from the brush soon pay for itself alone I. Leg work saved

@Jim-si7wz 2 жыл бұрын

well Sandy I think that was a beautiful site when you pulled all four long logs out without tearing the track up to much, on the long pulls think about adding another cable to the end of the one you are using thus pulling them into range of the winch, extra work but maybe a bit safer, what do you think.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Think that’s a good idea Jim

@duaneadams3786 2 жыл бұрын

Seeing you use that forestry winch has me thinking I might need one lol thank god I don't have a wife to tell me no

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Haha even if ya did you just have to be good at hiding it

@sidewinder15599 2 жыл бұрын

Just a quick question. Do you find that the branches you cut off of the trees you log self mulch pretty well? Or do you need to come back through and clear them periodically? Edit: You may find that a roughly 6 foot long log choker chain to grab the logs, which is then fed though the skid shield then hooked to the cable may be a bit helpful for ease of use for both the winch and skid shield. It would put your connection point at an easier to both see and grab spot, which would be safer as well. Also, love the chainsaw scabbard on the front of the tractor! Edit 2: I've found that a grade 70 release like a rollback has often been great for putting at the end of my winch. They're also relatively cheap as long as you're not trying to move entire cars.

@delmanicke9228 2 жыл бұрын

Nice looks like fun. You will the hang of it a little practice, would be nice to have remote control for that winch.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you’re right about that one. Bit more practice for sure

@delmanicke9228 2 жыл бұрын

I swear my moment didn't look like that when I sent it. Wow I guess I will have to be more careful.

@alanatkins4315 2 жыл бұрын

Saw the end of 1 of the logs, looked as though it had a leaf pattern on it's end.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alan

@SteveQ270 2 жыл бұрын

Not sure if you know but those red sliders on the winch cable are to hook your chokers to then you can hook the entire tree cut into logs and do one pull instead of having to do multiple pulls for one tree.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve, I am aware. For me the winch cable wasn’t long enough unfortunately so HD to do some improvising

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Think you’re right pulling the entire tree would be ideal. My trouble was it was going to be really tight to make the turn with the full length tree

@koningbolo4700 2 жыл бұрын

For a remote you could maybe make something using a car remote control and some of the door solenoids to actuate the operation rope...

@nolancunningham7484 2 жыл бұрын

What’s the teardrop pattern on the freshly cut log at 21:25??

@Stihl4life 2 жыл бұрын

Good job. Careful winching at 90* have broke our cable doing that. And I like to keep the choker chains with the open end away from ya👍. And always if possible keep your winch straight with pull as much as possible. Especially on bigger logs as it can tip your tractor over. But you probably already know that. Stay safe and don't work to hard😁🤘🤙.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks M H!

@4821jeffrow 2 жыл бұрын

That nose cone looks to really help keep the log from digging in and keeps the log a lot cleaner I really like that

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

I’m with ya there. I like how it allows the tree to pivot around other trees without catching on them

@saintaugustine1715 2 жыл бұрын

Hello Sandy second time with the winch i was wandering that tree was how much in diameter i believe you could of pull that tree in one piece to were the tractor was the tree will bend somewhat around other tree if it is not to sharp of a bend then because of your trails and corner then once at the tractor you cut it in smaller length that way you could of save yourself a lots of walking and if you drag your tree somewhat slowly a lots of time it will not affect the other trees that your rubbing on not enough yo damage them maybe next time you should try the full length just to see have a great day

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah think I may give that a go. Was trying not to scare up the trees on the corners too bad but worth a shot

@koningbolo4700 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe a HDPE barrel (10 gallon or so) cut so it can wrap around a tree and fitted with a couple of ratchet strap ends to secure it closed will help protect trees from debarking while dragging logs along it...

@colbiecolbie6979 2 жыл бұрын

Does the winch wind faster if the tractor revs higher? Great vids sandy !

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Great question. It does appear to wind on faster when revs are higher

@wallacefrey6247 2 жыл бұрын

Holy cow,how long is the winch cable? That works amazing.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Sure does seem long. If I’m. It mistaken it’s 50m or 165 feet

@keithprentice8298 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Sandy, you mentioned the tape you use in a previous video, sorry i cant seem to find it. Who makes it and where did you get it. Struggling to find a source here on Ontario

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

I ordered it from the forestry store online from Mississauga. Mines called the loggers tape

@keithprentice8298 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thanks. Lol now I have to spend $200 to get free shipping. Shouldn't be a problem

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

I know what ya mean there Keith! That store wasn’t a hard to place to add things to my cart

@robertcapaldo50 2 жыл бұрын

Hello, so relaxing to watch your videos with a cup of sludge. How do you like your log tape? What brand is it? I'm not sure what to purchase. Have a blessed week. Rob

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Robert! The tape is great. It’s the original loggers tape by America tape company. It’s a real workhorse

@Gabbastv91 2 жыл бұрын

Good job bro in my Pakistan

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@jtbear70 2 жыл бұрын

Christmas wish, self releasing directional pulley from Wallenstein.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you’re right about that one !

@wojteq77 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Sandy. I am on the market for portable winch. Did you try capstan winch before you purchased lewis chainsaw winch?

@SheepyHollowCanada 2 жыл бұрын

After you unhooked from the sling... I was wondering why you didn't pull the last log up to the 1st one then the 3rd and the 2nd... then you could have pulled them all out the last stretch at the same time.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Think my brain missed a gear haha

@SheepyHollowCanada 2 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy LOL, and mine as well... 2 was better than 4 ;)

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Haha

@alexkasacous 2 жыл бұрын

Might be time to think about planting a pine plantation to harvest in 25 years, because you know it will still be your best hobby- even more then. Of course we'll have laser light chainsaws and hover tractors by then....

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Haha you got that right

@morgansword 2 жыл бұрын

I think the whole thing looks very good Sandy. It might be nice to have a way to make your own cable chokers but that is another time and place. The remote off or on switches operate all on same principle so if you had one for say another winch system, maybe it would trip a signal.... the very most important switch is OFF and no other could mean so much as to see something get ruined be cause you couldn't reach it. The best part is exercise and fresh air. I could of used a lot more now that I look back. Let others poke fun or laugh cause you get the last laugh, its all yours and no mortgage payments

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Some great points in there Morgan! I agree with ya

@danos3284 2 жыл бұрын

how many acres you have?

@tjjewell4115 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic Video Sandy, I was wondering, do you have a family on your Farm?

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching TJ. Not back in the woods here no

@sinewave5020 2 жыл бұрын

New here. Where is this Pine Plantation?

@colbiecolbie6979 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe a scantily clad assistant to operate the winch rope would increase subscribers?

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Although that may be true I’m going to keep my content family friendly 😉

@ricklarade3593 2 жыл бұрын

where did you get your snatch blockÉ

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Amazon

@ricklarade3593 2 жыл бұрын

answered my own question...lol

@joecalvi9836 2 жыл бұрын

your hook on first log is backwards

@mikemoore4443 2 жыл бұрын

When you have multiple sections of a tree or 2 trees in line, can you hook to the furthest piece with the blue end connector and then pick up a couple of closer sections on the way in using the red sliders? You would have to hook the cone to the nearest section but may be worth a try.

@torstenjoergensen 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly the way I do it👍

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

I originally wanted to do it this way but the winch line wouldn’t reach

@Woodwhore 2 жыл бұрын

Sandy, do you have an address or PO box where we can send you stuff?

@tonygrimes13 2 жыл бұрын

Send him an e-mail to ask, e-mail address is in *About* section.

@jimputnam2044 2 жыл бұрын

Not to be negative, but the nose cone is a fail. I would have sent it back. Whats every ones opinion?

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

It works well but may be hard to tell here as it wasn’t the perfect setup for it . You’ll have to check out some of my videos from back a bit when I was using it in winter. Really prevents the logs from digging

@richardbrowne1679 2 жыл бұрын

I thought the nose cone worked well 👍

@franklt35sawyer49 2 жыл бұрын

You should just throw a log on your shoulder ang jog to your mill (LOL)

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

Haha some days I think I’m that strong but then my body tells me otherwise

@gary24752 2 жыл бұрын

If you are going to cut the logs up into sections what is the point of all this?

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

I couldn’t make the corner with a full length tree. Having the winch allows me to get the tree out where I can’t get machines

@gary24752 2 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy But why full length logs if you are going to cut them up into sections anyways?

@LarryLeesBees 2 жыл бұрын

@@gary24752 - he cut into sections so he could make the corner to get the logs up to the tractor and then the mill. At the mill they are the right length to cut into lumber.

@gary24752 2 жыл бұрын

@@LarryLeesBees You are not comprehending my question. Why drag full length timbers in the first place?

@LarryLeesBees 2 жыл бұрын

@@gary24752 - I guess I really am not understanding…. He’s not cutting them into firewood…. They are 8’-10’ lengths to make boards out of. So they are cut to the length to fit on his mill.

@carlmclelland7624 2 жыл бұрын

I've got mixed opinions. If I were there... it's hard to judge. A Definite advantage if dragging BIG LOGS, but for what you did today, wouldn't using the side-by-side to drag them to the tractor, and then use the winch to drag all the logs to the mill. In the long run it might be good... especially for big ones.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

I’m not able to to get the atv down that too easily unfortunately. Also I’ve found with the limited pulling power of the AtV I often dig myself holes of the logs get hung up.

@zachb9976 2 жыл бұрын

Ugh, frustrating watching you rig it up 4 more times than you needed to! Especially while sitting in my Lay Z Boy, ha. Keyhole sliders (red things on the cable) should have been used. String the cable out and to the farthest log. One slider from the end connects to the second log farthest from the tractor. Third slider to the third farthest log. As the winch pulls, the farthest log moves to the second farthest. Then the farthest and second farthest move to the third and then all 3 head to the tractor altogether. That's 3 logs in one rigging and you would have only had to remove the snatch block once for 3 logs to go around that corner.

@sawingwithsandy 2 жыл бұрын

The first log was the furthest the cable could reach so couldnt use the key holes sliders on the initial pull unfortunately. Had to string up multiple chains to get 2nd, third logs to within reach of cable end. I did unhook block one additional time to change angle of pull and to check that first log would be out of the way. Likely difficult to see in the video.

@dhache1195 2 жыл бұрын

@@sawingwithsandy this is why I always carry another lenght (50 or 100 ft) of cable. ;-)