Ray Ferraro joins the OverDrive guys to give his thoughts on the Mike Babcock story and calls the tactics ludicrous. Plus, the question is asked if this will affect Babcock’s ability to land another coaching job
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@tommcd84714 жыл бұрын
the Leafs RFA's holding out and bending them over a barrel makes a lot more sense now.
@crusader00744 жыл бұрын
Guess we should stop blaming Nylander, Matthews, and Marner.
@joebluerice4 жыл бұрын
Tom McD I liked your comment to give you 100 likes. Not something Babcock would do. Lol
@colinmacinnis28704 жыл бұрын
Yep
@kthaanos10754 жыл бұрын
Yup exactly, no hard feelings towards the players now.
@ryanma54524 жыл бұрын
@@joebluerice Underrated comment xD
@danlord77174 жыл бұрын
Modano retired with 1499 games played because of Baby. There’s no line this guy won’t cross
@allsystemsgo86784 жыл бұрын
I couldn't believe that when I heard. What an absolutely shitty thing to do
@tonycondegnimustafa4354 жыл бұрын
Why did he get benched in the season??
@FK-tz7gs4 жыл бұрын
Tony Condegni Mustafa He benched him just so he wouldn’t get 1500 games
@SolidusSnake6044 жыл бұрын
He re signed with Dallas to end his career. He could have played 1 game.
@MixerMadness4 жыл бұрын
You’re missing the point
@mikec48454 жыл бұрын
Babycock wore out his welcome the first game this year. Purposely embarrassing Spezza like he did.
@samanator194 жыл бұрын
Ya now everything makes sense
@michaelb48334 жыл бұрын
facts
@masterofpuppets2224 жыл бұрын
Dude, I was fucking pissed when he scratched Spezza. I was stoked to have him on the team, and then Babs just spat on his career.
@shaunmattice64134 жыл бұрын
@@masterofpuppets222 he sat Mike Modano for his 1500 career game. Babs has always been a asshole.
@aj4to1454 жыл бұрын
They should have fired him then. This wasn't just a slight against Spezza but also upper management.
@jimieljoseph23224 жыл бұрын
Props to Nikita Zietsev. Maybe we all shoulda paid more attention to Zietsev's comments in Russia last summer. And it really pissed him off if anyone player kissed up to Babs. There is a reason for him to speak out and you know what, I always felt he could play better. And he barely spoke a lick of English but being labelled a "bad guy"is a universal understanding in the world of hockey. News flash* Mike Babcock was and is a "badguy".
@mgriffin42974 жыл бұрын
I don’t know about the rest of y’all, but I feel like Ray Ferraro is correct 99.9% of the time regarding anything hockey..
@Loompius4 жыл бұрын
100%. Love the guy.
@BloggerMusicMan4 жыл бұрын
He's a great analyst. TSN is very lucky to have him. I always learn something about hockey at the pro level when I hear him for an extended period of time.
@dickraynes13394 жыл бұрын
I wish NBC would steal him away to be the inside the glass guy for big games in the States
@antbint4 жыл бұрын
Why is he always "on the phone" tho
@matthewmoilanen35753 жыл бұрын
@@antbint on the road broadcasting games
@davesmith72834 жыл бұрын
Access journalism at it’s finest. Everyone seems to have known something and it only gets reported after he’s fired.
@Paulafan54 жыл бұрын
They say he's wonderful for years and then kick a man while he's down. Pathetic, really.
@fsmeltz70584 жыл бұрын
It's like the model saying she was raped by Epstein after he's dead
@Roller111114 жыл бұрын
Except people have been saying things about Babcock for years now. Just magnified now that he was fired by the Leafs.
@bruce19244 жыл бұрын
so, this is a bunch of men inside a dressing room. And the message is always to keep it in the room. Hopefully everybody understands that that is the kind of environment that allows for abuse to continue. Young players are afraid to talk. They're afraid of repercussion and so you have the control freaks that take over the room and abuse others. They use their authority to bring harm. Everybody take a long look at this situation and ask yourself why the rape victims don't talk. It's the same psychology only on a different scale. There is a reason why people don't talk after they've been abused and this is a prime example of how teams and their personnel control the agenda with fear and control.
@jasondashney4 жыл бұрын
Did you seriously just bring rape into this?
@michaelc81924 жыл бұрын
O dog is incredible, he’s been on fire lately.
@709mash4 жыл бұрын
Totally speaks his mind. I appreciate that big time!
@jennyfortuna96964 жыл бұрын
@@709mash Real brave of him after Babcock has been fired and most of the media is pissing on his grave. Real brave of "O Dog". More accurately, he's an opportunist who will draw attention to himself by shitting on people when he CAN. Not when its right.
@Johnny-Rock-Star4 жыл бұрын
564markis you’re an ashole
@TinnieTa214 жыл бұрын
@@jennyfortuna9696 I completely agree. It seems like he always has to be the center of attention, making the loudest claims, etc. I actually really like listening to McLennan, which is why I sometimes listen to these segments, but I wish the loud mouth in the middle would just shut up sometimes.
@Tearloch4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha .. you must be from TO .. hahahaha
@nabatron214 жыл бұрын
They should get commie on there and ask him about babcock
@slothkng4 жыл бұрын
i'd listen to 3 hours of that
@DJ1NS4N1TY4 жыл бұрын
Nabil P who cares what a plug thing
@thebeatleswin14 жыл бұрын
Lol no, They don’t need some guy like commie.
@nabatron214 жыл бұрын
@@thebeatleswin1 yeah they do
@dghvdhfhhb64054 жыл бұрын
Is this Nabil_974 on Instagram?
@seymourbudds81724 жыл бұрын
As a Leafs fan who got sick of watching Babcock make the same mistakes, over and over and over, I'm loving hearing these guys rip on him
@needforanonymity4 жыл бұрын
I was coached by Benoit Groulx in Gatineau (same type of coach as Babcock) and he literally did the same thing. Made me list players by work ethic and who you liked the most to least and why. Most abusive coach I have ever had.
@dragoslav38594 жыл бұрын
This is Shanahans mess. Plain and simple. He knew who he was hiring. In fact Shanahan getting getting his position in the maple leaf organization has always been a head scratcher for me.
@jimieljoseph23224 жыл бұрын
If your son is a rookie on a team with Mike as a coach wouldn't you now have some concerns. People do get punched out for less.
@andrewsutton22664 жыл бұрын
Indeed people do....unless your coach is the highest paid in history, your son is an adult working towards a multi million dollar contract who's playing in one of the toughest sports on the planet
@kenryan42244 жыл бұрын
He should have had his teeth knocked out
@jimieljoseph23224 жыл бұрын
@@kenryan4224 Babcock knew Mitch's dad wasn't able to be there for that fathers road trip game when it happened. Fuck yeah, he shoulda got dummied for that move. 👊
@BloodFireDoom4 жыл бұрын
Mike Commodore was right about everything
@farmerbill50794 жыл бұрын
As commie would sat "Fn right!"
@ettrickdoo72874 жыл бұрын
I was first alarmed by Babcock the way he treated Mark Masters during an interview. Babcock insulted Masters' shoes saying they needed a cleaning and shine ... you could see Mark's face ... upset. People like Babcock are scary ... they get away with it for so long yet in camera are so charming and seemingly clean cut.
@ronbonora78724 жыл бұрын
I agree. I remember that!
@waynejohanson10834 жыл бұрын
He is nothing but a bully. Too Militant.
@uknownutin35284 жыл бұрын
Keep uploading more overdrive videos! These guys r the best on the air
@excellNexcel4 жыл бұрын
I have heard Bobcock's post-game interviews, and he has never struck me as being 'intelligent'.
@nwoentertainment9644 жыл бұрын
marlon anan Totally agree/. Babs always came across as being so arrogant
@clearlyarussianbot4 жыл бұрын
I know he's won a cup, but I've always thought Babcock is very incredibly overrated. Hasn't been out of the first round in years. worked well with stacked rosters in Detroit, but give him shit and he can't get it together. I hope he doesn't go into the Hall. Sure he won a couple things but as a person..... leaves a lot to be desired.
@mickeydyl68794 жыл бұрын
Fully agree with you sir. It's one thing when a coach steps in to an organization that has to re-build and start from the bottom. Just imagine stepping in as a coach for team that was built by Scotty Bowman, with so many experienced, hall of fame stars. Yeah, the Ducks did take Coach Babcock to a 7 game finals in "03". But coach Babcock didn't win the Conn Smyth, it was J.S. Giguere. Toronto is a tough market and a true reality check
@johns11874 жыл бұрын
But who leaked it, that's the question. Mike Commodore has even more feel good moments now. Suddenly his story with Babcock now seems more factual.
@user-ic7gl9nz1m4 жыл бұрын
Is it an accident, this news breaks after the leafs play in Colorado? I'm saying Kadri spilled the beans.
@daynaredurie9984 жыл бұрын
"Ferraro's real critical of Babcock when critical of Babcock is safe." -- Ned Stark
@xblackcatx13124 жыл бұрын
Doesn't make what he says untrue? What's your point?
@daynaredurie9984 жыл бұрын
@@xblackcatx1312 Hello again, missed this, sorry. It means he is calling Babs out in an environment where everyone is. Like I said, before you reach a conclusion,read up on some things the media isn't paying attention to. Start with Mike Commodore' mental stability, as it was he who started this ball rolling. Short version? Every single person calling out Babcock for "abuse" had a beef with him unrelated to "abuse" before this. That's point one. Point two is that many, many respected people in hockey - Yzerman, Lidstrom, Shanahan, Bowman, Zetterberg, etc.. - could have called him out NOW and have their reputations intact. That list is of good people (Shanahan gets a "for the most part"), who have interacted with Babcock closely for DECADES. Not one has piled on. Do the math. Babcock is smartly staying silent to let it blow over. Any response would be twisted against him. He isn't stupid.
@daynaredurie9984 жыл бұрын
@@xblackcatx1312 Agree with you totally on the precedent being set. It would be better if this were handled behind closed doors. As a Wings fan, I can't hate Chelios too much. But he does have a history of mouthing off in not so diplomatic ways when he didn't get his way about something. I recally Gary Bettman briefly obtained personal security because of something Cheli said. Doesn't Yzerman's silence and actions seem odd to you? I mean, if Babcock was a terrible person, Yzerman would have seen it every day. He then goes out and makes the guy Olympic coach TWICE? Who knows whats up, but I smell a rat in these people complaining.
@marksaulnier22224 жыл бұрын
Not a peep about Babcock until he gets fired from the Leafs. What a biased vitriolic market.
@111oooo4 жыл бұрын
Obviously the players stopped playing
@marksaulnier22224 жыл бұрын
@@111oooo the cynical side of me requires a larger sample size than 2 games before popping champagne bottles and declaring Babcock the isolated problem. Whatever direction the Leafs management goes, the media will uncritically spin it in their favor. A media that has stories from way back, critical of Babcock's character as if it were common knowledge, conveniently leaked right after the leafs fire him, however not sufficient enough concern for the team to hire him in the first place and pay him more than any other NHL coach in history. A vitriolic market indeed.
@sgtandyboy43774 жыл бұрын
Mark Saulnier technically there were lots of rumours about players hating babcock throughout his entire coaching career, but whenever people said that nobody would believe them. And for the leafs player, you wouldn’t want to be the one to snitch while he was still there coach for obv reasons. Babcock even admit to it in one of the articles and said that he regretted doing that to marner at the time
@tasman6554 жыл бұрын
You can’t touch Babcock when he has the power to tank your career
@nachobed4 жыл бұрын
Vets have been talking about this for a long time, the spitting chiclets podcast has had numerous guests on telling them horrible stories about him. It's just the fact that Marners story got leaked that this is blowing up on media now
@ronk9990 Жыл бұрын
I remember when Miller was on the team, Detroit was playing in Buffalo. Whatever schedule quirks had kept the Miller brothers from playing each other in the nhl, they had about 50 family members there to watch. Baby scratched him, typical move by hi done for no other reason than to say I have the power.
@masserphi25344 жыл бұрын
Don Cherry to coach :)
@lakeeriesailor28524 жыл бұрын
or Mike Keenan
@kwpowell04124 жыл бұрын
Im sick of hearing how bad Babcock is, yada yada. Totonto knew EXACTLY what they were getting with Babcock. It was Toronto's decision to throw ethics out the window to pursue winning. Everyone in the league knew how Babcock was. Hopefully Toronto is on the right path and have good things ahead. We're pulling for you Toronto. Good Luck
@BloodFireDoom4 жыл бұрын
Bullshit. You weren't saying that 5 years ago. Just admit it
@Ironclad66614 жыл бұрын
Well the Leafs are now 10-1-1 in the last dozen games so firing Babcock definitely boosted the team morale.
@dankelly77124 жыл бұрын
I often find Jeff O'neil a bit hard to take but he's bang on with this. Don't mince words when it comes to abusing other people
@ronsimms65304 жыл бұрын
Dan Kelly the “fat guy” Oneil does NOT carry an untarnished name amongst his piers, trust me!! The porn hypocrite spoke more today than he has on the last 40 shows.
@vernonwells114 жыл бұрын
There's going to be pain now has new meaning.
@jamesmckendry22474 жыл бұрын
Lol... Good one!!
@myquest6664204 жыл бұрын
LOL
@davidralph73254 жыл бұрын
If a parent did this to a child we would label it as abusive manipulation. I hope that this will keep Babcock out of coaching forever. Mitch Marner is a class act and I hope that one day he wears the "C" in TO. I am sure he is not the only player that experienced this but I hope he opens the door to other players speaking the truth. Time to end the destructive practice of forcing players to keep these kinds of practices in the locker room.
@Justme774004 жыл бұрын
I love how everyone was polishing his knob when word came out he was leaving Detroit not too long ago.
@jcurrin19044 жыл бұрын
At first my hope that Babcock would have pointed to the name at the top of the list and said something along the lines of "then you've got to follow that guy's example" which would be a good thing to do. Now I can't help but wonder where would this team be if they had hired Keefe in the off season. Hopefully brighter days ahead.
@Addicted2Dopamine4 жыл бұрын
Babcock looks like the actor who played Green Goblin on Spiderman
@BrattyNerdGirl4 жыл бұрын
Addicted2Dopamine William Dafoe? Yeah he does
@wovokanarchy4 жыл бұрын
Brendan Shanahan has a lot to answer for.
@nneichan93534 жыл бұрын
I hope he hasn't destroyed any players. Mitch was strong and his teammates had his back. Good to know.
@timfronimos4594 жыл бұрын
Babs hurt players like Abdelkader in Detroit w years of slash n bang hockey and leanin' in. Look for the Ferraro video where criticizes Babcock not coaching the team that he has.
@de1324 жыл бұрын
Good teammates have their teammate's back when the dust settles.
@jamesanthony56814 жыл бұрын
They'll be OK.
@the_alaskan_yeti26524 жыл бұрын
Two words: Mike Commodore
@Heggsabee4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if that's one of the reasons why Zaitsev requested a trade.
@slew21084 жыл бұрын
This is being blown way out of proportion. I guess it gives the media something to talk about.
@flyinbrian8654 жыл бұрын
No kidding....I've worked for a few jerks in my time but always put in am honest effort. Too much money for these cry ass kids these days. Entitled.
@ocbee61754 жыл бұрын
Flyin Brian in 2012 he gave Johan Franzen, who has heavy brain damage from playing hockey, a nervous breakdown by screaming at him, that’s not good coaching, that’s just abuse
@jameshoward7993 жыл бұрын
franzen is healed. All hail babs!!!
@jennyfortuna96964 жыл бұрын
Paraphrasing Ned Stark, Ferarro speaks out against Babcock when speaking is safe.
@dickraynes13394 жыл бұрын
In fairness though, if you're an in game analyst, you have to have access to the coach to get info. It may not be pleasant, but you have to play nice when you're in his position
@andrewk26634 жыл бұрын
What tactic are they talking about the video started midway?
@53rdand3rdShows4 жыл бұрын
Scotty Bowman to O Dog: “Ok Xer”
@ianwamsley25954 жыл бұрын
The difference that people don’t understand is that Mitch succeeded in spite of babs, not because of him. Mitch is that transcendent of a talent that he’s able to keep producing under a coach that hates him. Keep this mentality OUT OF HOCKEY.
@SamIAm-kz4hg4 жыл бұрын
Considering what is going on with Bill Peters, I think that ALL NHL teams will be reluctant to hire Babcock. This is the same as the "me too" movement. People are tired of this kind of bullshit. I was a classroom teacher for 31 years. I made some mistakes very early in my career. But I would never do the kind of crap that these two men are accused of having done. It's a shitty way to live, and when you get more experience, you should realize that there are better ways to treat people. And you WANT to treat them better. It's a win win. Mike made his money. If what they say is true, then he can retire, as I did. Let a new batch of people take over. I think he's through.
@williamdougie62134 жыл бұрын
Modano, Chelios, Commodore, Marner, Matthews, Spezza, Zaitsev. Like who liked Babcock exept maybe Rielly?
@mikeadams46054 жыл бұрын
Kadri!!! LOL - had the 2 best seasons of his life after Marner listed him last on his list.
@williamdougie62134 жыл бұрын
@@daniellee7355 Hyman and Babs deffinatly hit the showers together
@RodelIturalde4 жыл бұрын
You got Franzen aswell. Probably Yzerman.
@michaelcanney72183 жыл бұрын
Add Franzen and zetterberg
@chad_b4 жыл бұрын
I was ready for Babdick to go after the first loss to the Bruins. I couldn't even bring myself to watch any games this season after the second loss to the Bruins. Now that babweiner is gone my interest in the Leafs is back
@threethrushes4 жыл бұрын
There are arseholes at the top in every sphere: hockey, corporate world etc. The truth always, always comes out on garbage people. The only solace is that these people have to live with themselves.
@The3rdeyedontdie4 жыл бұрын
Some players are coach killers and some coaches are player killers
@spencerhealey78784 жыл бұрын
Why does this video start in the middle of a sentence? What question is he answering?
@babayaga53924 жыл бұрын
Mike Keenan is arguably the most hated NHL coach of all time and 8 NHL teams hired him. At the end of the day, teams are concerned with the bottom line, which is winning games and making money. Babcock is a proven winner and teams will look past any of his coaching tactics as long as the team wins.
@bigbullhorn84434 жыл бұрын
This is just the 1st stone. More to come forsure forsure forsure
@boogyjuggy4 жыл бұрын
glad this is coming out...nice to hear the truth...and no coach deserved this kind of crazy contract...8 years, 50 million..terrible, dreadful contract...not smart at all...keefe will be fine...time to move on, move forward...go get those cups guys...eye on the prize...go leafs go
@jefferybeattie90344 жыл бұрын
This is great news. Nylander, Marner and Matthews are all giving back the extra money they negotiated for now that their coach is a nice guy. Right.
@80zforever4 жыл бұрын
Did this story just come out to justify Babs firing more? There were enough reasons to can him.
@rickg55974 жыл бұрын
Totally! The organization is just as bad for staying silent until it didn’t fit their agenda.
@liamarmstrong95904 жыл бұрын
The story’s coming out because he was fired
@harleenkaur14084 жыл бұрын
@@rickg5597 tf?
@rickg55974 жыл бұрын
Harveen Kaur all this only came out after 3 yrs to justify the firing of Babcock.
@yeoshow19844 жыл бұрын
Welcome back to another episode of "Shit on Mike Babcock" Can they move on yet? The Leafs should offer no further comment on Mike Babcock.
@DJ1NS4N1TY4 жыл бұрын
Jarrod Yeo it’s obviously Babs fault that they failed in game 7 and that Matthews can’t play defence and that they all got overpaid it’s obviously gonna be great now that they can play “loose” and have fun :)
@dieterhorn58514 жыл бұрын
Mike Helped for a while but he made us miss the second round. He couldn't get us passed Boston. Sheldon is a Great Coach.
@666finnegan4 жыл бұрын
NEWSFLASH!! Thousands of NORMAL people have a boss or supervisor who acts the EXACT same way where they work.
@de1324 жыл бұрын
And a lot of people quit their jobs
@sassy51284 жыл бұрын
And these type of individuals should be fired.
@ocbee61754 жыл бұрын
Space Ghost NEWSFLASH it’s still wrong
@mikec48454 жыл бұрын
Lets get everyone together and compare notes.
@Swyzzl4 жыл бұрын
Nobody: Jamie: Darryl Sutter
@jameshoward7993 жыл бұрын
Babs is the best. I think what he’s trying to say it that there were some softies but now there are even more.
@goirish28164 жыл бұрын
How is it not going to be divisive?? That's the point. It's meant to be divisive and cause issues. He a master of chaos. That's his move to control the team.
@outsideredge4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It's meant to make players scared around him and around each other, thinking it's all in the name of "keeping them on their toes". He got away with it because he has success on his resume, and he has a folksy charm to him in public that makes him a darling to the media.
@bqd9934 жыл бұрын
O-dog should have his own show on this problem
@dhennessey19704 жыл бұрын
At least we know why Zaitsev wanted out.
@therealhebrahim4 жыл бұрын
This show was always better then primetime and I don't even watch hockey but I rate these guys commentary and opinions 🤷🏽♂️
@Bobandy4204 жыл бұрын
Looks like Babcock is gonna have to join Keenan in the KHL. Who the hell would want to play for this guy? Babs will never coach an NHL game again
@siddiq1064 жыл бұрын
I agree, after all this I don’t think any gm will put their players under a terrible human being.
@stugotz9864 жыл бұрын
Randy Bobandy You’re wrong!! Dead wrong!! If he wants to Coach again in the NHL, there will be Teams calling him. GUARANTEED!!
@de1324 жыл бұрын
He'll get a couple more chances. You talk about Mike Keenan. Here's Mike Keenan's career after winning the Cup. He quit the Rangers after winning the Cup because of "contract issues". Joins the Blues in 1994-95, has an okay first year with them going out in round 1 after losing to Vancouver. In 1995-96, they run into the Red Wings and even with Wayne Gretzky, couldn't beat them. The next year, they stunk up to start the year and they fired him because they "needed a change" (Team hated him). The next year, 1997-98, he joins Vancouver, misses the playoffs in the first year, fired after a cold start the next year (Team hated him). Two years later, 2000-01, joins the Bruins, they hate him, miss the playoffs and fire him. The next year, joins the Panthers, has two crummy seasons, he "resigns" after a cold start in year 3. Three years later, 2007-08, joins Calgary, first round exit twice and team hates him, fired. Mike Keenan got several jobs for years until it was proven that he can't win. As long as people think you can win, they'll excuse anything. A coach can do anything because winning is what's really matters. Keenan even won the Gagarin Cup with Metallurg Magnitogorsk in the KHL in his first year there, and the next season after a slow start, they fired him because they fucking hated him.
@de1324 жыл бұрын
@@siddiq106 GMs are all about cost-benefit or in this case, wins-benefit. If the team wins a lot of games under a guy, they'll hire him. As long as Babcock can show he's useful to teams (i.e. make the playoffs, win a lot of games), he'll get a job. The next question for Babcock is, will he go to a team that isn't as talent-deep as Toronto? Yes, I know he was a part of the Red Wings during lean years but he won the Cup with Detroit. Hypothetically, what if Babcock joined the Minnesota Wild? A team that has some decent prospects but are on the downturn. If he sucks there and gets fired, teams will be less likely to hire him. As long as a guy succeeds to certain relative degrees, they're fine.
@jamesanthony56814 жыл бұрын
@@de132 That's a good chronology of events. Iron Mike Keenan always had the reputation of being a coach who would not demand of his players any more that he was not prepared to do himself, i.e., he would work harder than anyone. When he got fired in Calgary, one of his players (I forget who) said that he did not work hard enough as coach, and I found that surprising, a damning critique of Iron Mike.
@acer13p114 жыл бұрын
Mitch is the Man of this Team He will have the C after Johnny Boy
@crusader00744 жыл бұрын
Him or Matthews. They are the Malkin and Crosby of the Leafs.
@77hoolie Жыл бұрын
3 years later = I wonder if Jamie still stands behind his defence of - keeping stories in the room. That’s the exact mentality that allowed the Blackhawks sexual assault scandal to occur - unreported. He’s got kids, wonder if his kid is being bullied or harassed = does he stand behind the statement - we need to be careful, about bringing stories outside the room? I’d hope he’d take his defence back and some of his statements back.
@hofifut4 жыл бұрын
why don't they get Mike Commodore, Mike Modano, and Babcock's own wife to have a full panel discussion?
@atrealdino6667 Жыл бұрын
Who is this woman on overdrive dec 16 ? I only watched less than 22 seconds.
@joekowalski1824 жыл бұрын
What the hell was the idea they won't say!! What was the tactic?
@andrewm87034 жыл бұрын
Didn't Drew Doughtey sing Babs praises a while back? Granted, Babs only coached him for a few weeks, rather than a full season
@mattwilliamsonguitar4 жыл бұрын
Confused why Jamie is concerned about more stories coming out. If there's 'blood on more hands', then why should they be allowed to hide?
@LuciferMorningstar____4 жыл бұрын
I believe the worry is a domino effect of others being under heavy scrutiny and likely fired for being proxy to these tactics for years (directly / indirectly/ knowingly)
@mattwilliamsonguitar4 жыл бұрын
@@LuciferMorningstar____ No I get that, but if they were complacent and turned their back to this, why are they being sheltered? If the attitude is to sweep stuff like this under the rug, it will never change.
@nayrbt4 жыл бұрын
You would be shocked at what coaches will do to push certain players
@colbyburgesd92584 жыл бұрын
And those coaches are proboly terrible at their jobs, surprised marner would even want to play their after that 4th overall pick superstar could go anywhere he wanted when he's eligible
@HousewolfDaddy4 жыл бұрын
Colby Burgesd The best coaches toe the line without crossing it. It does take some extreme measures sometimes- Scotty Bowman threatened time trade Steve Yzerman out of Detroit early on after benching him to prove a point. However management squashed it and eventually everyone was on the same page. There’s a bit of that “break them down to build them up” mentality that is needed sometimes similar to military boot camp. However, a good coach also knows when to stop usually and who doesn’t need that kind of treatment. There’s a lot of issues/questions around Babcock. He was never a players coach (likeable), he would come into underperforming but talented teams and make them win. Very similar to Bowman in that regard. However I also think he’s incapable of adapting his mindset to the modern game at present.
@ChrisJones-pi5mh4 жыл бұрын
I guess I've been living under a rock because I'm just hearing about all this crap now... 🤔
@Paulafan54 жыл бұрын
No, it didn't come out until now. But if he's winning and getting the job done, then the sports "journalists" don't care. It's when the overpaid Leafs starting sucking, then they started to care.
@bludika4 жыл бұрын
Paulafan5 so what’s the deal with mike Babcock? He was abusive? Bad guy? I thought he was a well respected coach and one of the most winningest coaches?
@mikeromano47594 жыл бұрын
The story should come out! Whenever it needs to come out. But they must come out. In addition lets not tell the young people that it should stay in the dressing room. This is mental abuse and who know what other abusive things have had to be dealt with.
@mic014 жыл бұрын
You could tell by the way the team was playing they had enough, and sitting Spezza game 1 was a shit thing to do.
@shannonmccartney2544 жыл бұрын
Get em, Chicken Parm!!
@sassy51284 жыл бұрын
Who the hell would want to have a drink with Babcock.... what a goof... let's hope his coaching days are over. Odog is on fire ... right on...
@andrewsutton22664 жыл бұрын
Has their been any confirmation from Marner or Babcock about this?
@airismcs4 жыл бұрын
Andrew Sutton yes, both have confirmed the story
@NUGSLUG204 жыл бұрын
What did he do?
@BloodFireDoom4 жыл бұрын
Tried to turn the players against each other
@RandomPerson-gn7fu4 жыл бұрын
Go to Graviteh’s newest video or legorocks99‘s
@whitecloud_944 жыл бұрын
He sent dick pics to players by accident.
@doug26164 жыл бұрын
Best move Dubas has made so far. Should of made it last year. Hopefully Leafs make the playoffs now. Babcock has a nice resume but his time was up because of his over the top narcissistic attitude.
@overtenemy694 жыл бұрын
Lets turn the spotlight here. Shanahan was the driving force bringing him to Toronto, he should be fired as well because he knew full well the shit going on.
@b-57644 жыл бұрын
Sounds like O'Neil knows some more stuff with how angry he is.
@kenryan42244 жыл бұрын
He’s only hungry
@goji0594 жыл бұрын
Would get him booted for ethics in any profession
@DUARTE994 жыл бұрын
For best on best international hockey, Canada called Babcock 3 times, not twice. 2010 & 2014 Olympics and 2016 World Cup of Hockey. 5 times if you include the World Juniors and IIHF World Championships.
@g_famm15004 жыл бұрын
Happy he’s gone time to move on
@scottm90104 жыл бұрын
Babcock didn’t like Marner or his dad, or both and this was about sabotaging Marner’s development. There’s no other logical reason for it.
@kenryan42244 жыл бұрын
Yeah marner on the fourth line to kill his bonuses
@aai36614 жыл бұрын
The only problem I have is that Kyle Dubas then Brendan Shanahan are, in typical Toronto fashion, one step closer to getting fired. Steve the dbag Simmons already has that article written and saved.
@jdogrosco15204 жыл бұрын
A very short lived famous coach AGAIN!! Shame on you babs, you where supposed to get us a CUP with these kids. Marnier is Great , thanks Babs
@richardvervoorn6626 Жыл бұрын
I’ve always observed that Ray Ferraro is a knowledgeable hockey person, who played at a HIGH LEVEL and he is a terrific commentator. We can be sure that if SO MUCH NEGATIVITY comes out about Babcock from so many players, I can’t imagine that he’s a BAD GUY. However, he didn’t just assume this coaching position. I’m wondering about Shanahan’s decision making process. MLSE DROPS (and continues to) the ball by staffing up with people who are CONTRARY. WTF is going on within MLSE ?
@MrJason64024 жыл бұрын
How to prove Mike Babcock is a bad coach? Bring Stansley Cup to Toronto in 3 years.
@mikeadams46054 жыл бұрын
The funniest part of this is that this scheme actually worked. Kadri had the best 2 seasons of his life after Marner listed him last on his list of work ethic. Like it or not....Babcock used Marner to light a fire under Kadri.
@jamesanthony56814 жыл бұрын
Mitch had a breakout season of sorts in 2019 (94 points) and got that huge contract; and Kadri is a better hockey player, courtesy of coach Mike.
@kenryan42244 жыл бұрын
Still a shit thing to do
@DJ1NS4N1TY Жыл бұрын
babcock is the reason kadri won the cup
@kallensaczkowski4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Ferraro knew more because his son was in the dressing room
@jasondashney4 жыл бұрын
I'm wondering if Ray asked his son if Babs pulled any shit with him because Ray would take Babcock behind the woodshed if he did. You don't mess with a former NHLer's son.
@ethansmith14874 жыл бұрын
What did he do
@redber164 жыл бұрын
If you're in Mitch Marner's shoes, you should confront him and say "...listen, you don't have to scratch me because i'll scratch myself." You either resolve it then & there and find positive resolution. Or wait 3 years when it inevitably resurfaces, which is much worse. Take back your power and find the peace. That is just uncalled for.
@andrewwilkins30144 жыл бұрын
You are completely out of touch with reality aren’t you?
@joeslater17664 жыл бұрын
That is very hard for a rookie to do
@RandomPerson-gn7fu4 жыл бұрын
Joe Slater exactly what I would have said
@willm93594 жыл бұрын
Tens or millions of dollars on the line? Or your livelihood in general? ... Talk’s cheap
@redber164 жыл бұрын
@@willm9359 Money shouldn't overrule your humanity. Maybe it's just me, but i wouldn't be able to live and tolerate that.
@keepingitsimple889 ай бұрын
there will probably be a lot more stories coming out...
@plainbagel91924 жыл бұрын
He inherited the remnants of the Red Wings dynasty, which was a collection of good veterans, that crap probably works with them but not on a young team like the leafs
@plainbagel91924 жыл бұрын
Bryan Halstead not a leaf fan, objectively that first year leafs team he took over was designed to tank...for Mathews
@tomcrouchman4 жыл бұрын
what happened? what did babs do? what were the tactics what did he say to marner?
@ocbee61754 жыл бұрын
Tom Crouchman he made Marner make a list of the hardest workers in the locker room and who he liked/disliked, he then showed it around and caused players to turn on him, also exaggerating about it, causing Marner to break down, in his rookie season
@tomcrouchman4 жыл бұрын
@@ocbee6175 thx, i heard something about this at work the other day..is this just a story or is it true? is there an article with a quote from marner?
@ocbee61754 жыл бұрын
Tom Crouchman he came out and admitted it haplened
@phildh91504 жыл бұрын
Why are they being so vague? I don't even know what happened.
@ocbee61754 жыл бұрын
Phil DH it starts off in the middle of the conversation. He had the locker room turn on Marner and spread rumors about what he said like a middle school girl. It just wasn’t true and Mitch has a breakdown because of it. Caused Johan Franzen to have a nervous breakdown in Detroit. Ruined Mike Commodore etc, etc
@CHADP894 жыл бұрын
Wow! Hayes in a suit !?
@floydthebarber62494 жыл бұрын
Now we know what kind of shit goes on behind close doors. So why the f wasn't the GM or Prez to looking after their kids.
@PhilipOberg4 жыл бұрын
After this story, it's no wonder Mitch's negotiation was so drawn out. And then there's the whole naming the captain. Would Matthews be the captain of they had just fired Babcock after another disappointing loss to Boston
@valeriehowden4714 жыл бұрын
'Absolutely amateurish' ... Thanks for insulting all of the amateur coaches!
@cosmicbutthairs4 жыл бұрын
You would think a HOF coach would be able to evaluate talent and work ethic
@tenzu99664 жыл бұрын
y’all talking smack about babcock ur not the with a stanley cup, he’s got it all
@mickeydyl68794 жыл бұрын
Yeah, like winning the lottery: Coming in following an unbelievably stacked team built by Scotty Bowman! My chain-smoking, drunk 90% of the time Atom's coach from the 1970s could have coached that team & won the cup.