I'm here from the future to tell you that S8 Tyrion is basically a vegetable.

You'll notice a SIGNIFICANT drop of quality in the show when they started free styling instead of following GRRMs material.

Tyrion is supposed to be a smart strategist. In the past two seasons he hasn't given a single good advice. It's pathetic.

The writers didn't only ruin Tyrion (he was an early casualty) but they've now ruined pretty much every character left in the show.

I feel sorry for Peter Dinklage. Tyrion is like the role of his Life, he was really invested in It, he could've done so much more.

He lost his individuality, now he's just Daneys puppet, it's happening to Jon Snow as well

The showrunners have ruined so many characters, Loras became a stereotypical gay dude whereas in the books he is a Kingsguard member and launched an assault on Dragonstone. Jon didn't change at all after his death, except for becoming a stereotypical hero. Daenerys is still an idiot, Jaime took way too long to leave Cersei, Margaery and Tommen were killed off. Cersei is a stereotypical villain and apparently isn't hated by her people after causing her own son, the king to commit suicide and killing the queen and her family. She even killed her own uncle and the Westerosi equivalent of the Pope. Bran was turned into a robot, Arya became an immortal superhero and Sansa is just there. Littlefinger became a mustache twirling idiot and Varys became a total boot licker with no plans of his own. They'll probably ruin the Golden Company as well now that they're bringing them into the show, which kinda sucks.

Varis ist also just an empty shell of his former self.

Tyrion next to Cersei: AMAZING Tyrion next to Daenerys: The most boring character ever. I'll just leave this here.

I agree completely. They've show them selves to not really be good writers the more they diverge for the real story. They started to do the same old tropes that most tv shows do. Characters who were supposed to be smart suddenly become completely moronic, but everyone still claims they're smart in the show. I think one of the best examples of this was Petyr Baelish. He died the same way as Eddard Stark. He just blindly did things his way, and stupidly kept pushing stuff until he got killed. That's not how Petyr would have died. He was like some sort Judo master of manipulation. The writers were so proud of their selves for the scene where she accused Petyr. I don't know anybody who was surprised. I was watching that scene saying "No they are not about to do this..." and then they called his name, and I laughed openly at how moronic and predictable that whole scene was. They do this thing where they make all the characters around someone really stupid temporarily so they can say that the one person not being a moron is super smart. It's so frustrating to watch this show now. :(

1-5 tyrion - An genius intellect on par with Tywin Lannister, with an incredible wit and strategic mind that makes him incredibly dangerous.Also has compassion due to being downtrodden, and has a habit of talking too much. Has a unique story and motivations. Season 6-7 tyrion: An idiot who basically fails at everything he attempts. Gets schooled in war efforts by both his siblings on numerous occasions. Runs about telling everyone how smart he is, while sprouting rather unfunny lame jokes. Becomes Dany's Lapdog and does nothing of any interest on his own.

This is a symptom of a larger problem. Take the general Lannister-Stark plotline, which I'd say was the main driving conflict of Phase I. The political aspect of that is basically over after the Red Wedding. However, the aftermath of it is still very much present in the novels. For three books we had people going ''lol ned such naive! xD' and 'omg tywin so brutal and effective!'. Then Feast happens and we see how his entire house fucks itself to death before his corpse is even cold. The show gives us none of this. Jaime getting disillusioned with Cersei and war? Gone. Cersei going completely fucknuts? Gone. Tyrion being a miserable wretch? Gone. Then we get Dance and the complete vindication of Ned and the Stark ways. From the wild mountain clans to the ordinary houses to the Southron Manderlys, everyone loved Ned and the Starks so much that they're itching to rise for a dead and disgraced house. We get this perfect irony in that Ned left a better legacy than Tywin ever could have. In the show? One old lady saying 'The North remembers', then immediately getting flayed by Ramsay before he goes to brutally rape Sansa some more or whatever (while the rest of the North pays no mind).

What happened to Tyrion? Daenerys happened. He has literally no storyline of his own. Of course the writers are to blame because they erase his entire storyline. Now he drinks and makes jokes.

Lemme just put it out there, George RR Martins needs to be around for Tyrion to be written right.

You want to talk about deflated characters? How about Jon Snow this season xD His whole character arch was built around the White Walkers and convincing people they exist and to join him and save the world from the apocalypse. He was resurrected to be Azor Ahai... then he doesn't even get to kill or even duel the Night King. Instead, it is killed by Arya, a character with no relation to the Night King and whom only just found out about the White Walkers.... Subverting expectation isn't good writing, unless there is good reason for it. Deus Ex Machinas are also not an example of good writing....

I almost didn't even bother with S8, but I figured I was invested and should see it out. But I am angered too, because this show did not need to die this way. It's just painful to watch now.

#NotMyTyrion #NotMyStannis #NotMyArya You could make a lot of these hashtags.

GRRM can write but D&D don’t have even the slightest bit of talent to write for Tyrion

The problem I have with Tyrion is that he's just a propaganda piece for Daenerys. Every reunion he has with another character in Westeros begins with a short exchange about how they know each other, and then the rest of the conversation is Tyrion trying to convince them how amazing Dany is. And now in Season 7 Jon acts the same way. It's getting difficult to enjoy a show that sacrifices interesting characters for a single character that I don't particularly like.

Is anybody bothered that Tyrion´s hair get darker every season?

i suppose it's akin to the "Littlefinger effect" as i call it, once a character that has a silver tongue (Varys, Tyrion, Baelish) leaves King's Landing their usefulness to the plot lessens and D&D cannot be relied on to write characters like that well once they go to new settings. Because let's face it, all three of those characters have been on a downturn in Season 7.

I don't get how he won the Emmy now, but not in season 4. Nothing against Peter, but the character isn't good. Not even fun to listen too. Before that every damn word he said established him as a highly intelligent person.

Lack of George RR Martin's genius is what happened to Tyrion Lannister.

They CAN'T write for him... D & D are not clever enough. There is a scene with Missandei, Grey Worm, and him where all they talk about is how they can't think of anything to talk about! Same reason why Little Finger doesn't need to seize the last word, we can just assume it was clever.. Because THEY CAN'T WRITE FOR THOSE CHARACTERS WITH OUT THE BOOKS.

They destroyed his character on the show

Let's face it, the story has been going down hill since season 4. The dialogue are lame and the characters do not resemble on nothing to their books contrapart.

4 episode left. It will be damn near impossible to pay off everything we've been building up to in 4 episodes. This chunk of the story should have been atleast two full seasons. We're gonna get a battle, good guys will win and that's that. I'm glad the books exist so when this is all done I can read a fully fledged, deep, twisting story.

It ain't right what they did to Varys

Completely agree!. The scene between he, Missandei, and Grey Worm in season five was so painful to watch. So cringy #notmytyrion

They wrote themselves into the corner with Tyrion. We know's he's a smart guy and he's supposed to offer Dany good advice but the plot dictates that she fail at every turn so this leads to the obvious: Why the hell hasn't she fired him? Simple. They love the character and the actor and while they don't know what to do with him they don't have the balls to let him go.

"Saves Kings Landing from Stannis." I think you mean stopped the rightful king from taking Kings Landing.

Jon, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Varys, Jorah, Theon all got deflated. All of the meaningful dialogue is gone.

The show took a nose dive after season 4. The only character who keep my interest is Jamie, his story arch was by far the best in the series. John was okay till around season 3 and seeing him bend the knee to danris just ruined him like it did Tyrion. It's like a reoccurring thing at this point for consistent characters to suddenly change their motivations (look at what they did to littlefinger) I hope they don't ruin Jamie

D&D are so dumb that they can't keep fully developed characters IN CHARACTER. After season 4 we're given "D&D's version of Tyrion". We're shown his sachems, whits and humor but in reality he's failing at everything with no consequences. He makes a deal with slavers, they attack anyway and Danny is just cool with that. Tyrion's plans cost Danny most of her fleet, three of her allies and Unsullied are stranded. She just gets a little pissed. His last plan almost costs Danny her last ally, gets one of her dragons killed, accomplishes nothing with Cersei AND gets the Night King past the wall. Nobody seas nothing? He's still hand of the queen? With that in mind Tyrion had more reasons to get killed/executed in season 7 than Littlefinger. But Tyrion is the fans favorite and someone needs to die so it better be Littlefinger, in the stupidest way possible I might add. Fan service all the way. People just need to stop looking at GoT as TV adaptation of ASOIAF and consider it more in the lines of "TV show based on ASOIAF". Because adaptation stopped ling time ago and at this point they're just using that world to make shit up.

When they ran out of books all characters IQ dropped by a landslide

I'm sure GRRM will give his character justice in The Winds Of Winter.

Tryion thrives as a foil but the writers won't let Danny be wrong about anything.

Tyrion is very lame in the show now. It's as if he's lost all of his natural wit, quick thinking, critical thinking, and tenacity. This is why I just watch the show for kicks, the book characters are so different and more interesting than there show counterparts. Tyrions POV chapters in the books are some of the best, his journey is absolutely harrowing, and the struggles and close brushes with death he overcomes are nothing short of extraordinary. He's one of my favorite ASOIF characters in this saga.

Tyrion is lame NOW because he is a character of a lame show NOW... because without original books that show is nothing

I think what you mentioned about Daenerys summarizes everything that has gone wrong with the show in comparison with the books. In the first book, we had 9 POV characters and whilst we lost some, by the seventh we have 31. In the show, we had a similar number in season one, now the three MAIN characters are Tyrion, Daenerys and Jon... that's it, and they are so watered down that it hurts. Daenerys is a Mary Sue if ever I've seen one, Jon is as dull as rocks and it seems like all the show writers saw in Tyrion is "comic relief". As for what they did to my BOY Euron....

Can you do this for Arya? Because I feel like Arya gets so much hate, but in the books she's my favourite. She's many people's fave. And I feel terrible for Maisie. She had to tell two grown-ass men, D&D, that flipping around like an idiot after being stabbed is dumb and tone that scene down. Whatever they've turned Arya into, esp. in season 7, is a disrespect and a disgrace.

Simple explanation: they ran out of the source material (yes, because they cut a lot)

You missed how they toned him down when he killed Shae(now in self defence rather than utter pain and hatred)and is now a spiteful little monster, betrayed by his brother(that hug and goodbye made me so angry when they could have just included a little "Previously on GOT"scene about Tysha)and his entire family and the woman he deluded himself into loving. He strangles Shae with tears on his face when she calls him her nickname for him again and(it's not fully clear)possibly kills his father in self defence when Tywin tries to rise from the privy.In Essos, he acts horribly to people, possibly throwing Aegon/Faegon under the bus by sending him to Westeros early and poisons the slave overseer Nurse. Penny, Jorah's facial maiming, Aegon...so many great plots thrown out the window. Just like Brienne and Stannis and Dorne.

To give the Dink his due, Tyrion is the best part of the Mereen storyline.

Most of the characters (besides Cersei, I love her) are lame now.. they all took a backseat to Jon and Dany. They should rename it the Jon and Dany show. Why is podric Payne still alive? He is not important whatsoever. That bothers me.

Besides the overall drop in quality of the writing and some of the even worst casting decisions, the usage of Tyrion after season 5 has been the most disappointing experience for me watching Game of Thrones. He just doesn’t do anything important anymore. He’s basically been delegated to being a lapdog for Dany or Jon Snow. Which I get why they’re important. But game of thrones was an ensemble series with such a wide cast of characters. By focusing so hard on them over everyone else, it really diminished the rest of the cast and it brought the whole series into a more conventional fantasy realm of clear cut heroes and villains that Martin intentionally wanted to avoid. And there was no character that was hurt more then Tyrion.

Tyrion is my favorite character in Game of Thrones and its pretty sad how D&D transformed him from a smart, strategic, and charismatic character into a idle, unclear, and uncharismatic.

Can we make anime on Game of thrones.... Narrating the exact story as of books?

FINALLY. Someone said it. This has been one of the most annoying problems I've had with the show, after the Dorne plot. Maybe even before that, since I care more about Tyrion than anyone else. They did the same to Varys. He's lame now too. And Littlefinger as well. [ADWD/TWOW Spoiler Alert] I mean, do you remember the Kevan chapter at the end of ADWD? Varys got him and Pycelle killed. That was awesome. And what Littlefinger is doing in the Vale. Oh. My. God. It's brilliant, and Sansa's chapters there are always an amazing read. The show could have been so much better, it had the opportunity to make something even better than the books. But nope, they had to ruin it.

They won best Drama ahead of Westworld. SMH. They show runners are focused on Dan/Jon relationship and giving us a cheesy predictable ending of them ending up together. They've destroyed a lot of characters, not just Tyrion

& yes, hell yes with "DONT TELL ME THERE WASN'T ENOUGH SOURCE MATERIAL!"

They were only interested in propping up Denny. The stronk woman character who they worship and constantly tell you how great a person she is and how she will be better than anyone before. And then they have to explain to her why she shouldn't burn down Kings landing. I didn't care for the past few seasons.

5:36-5:54 My heart is broken... Poor George... I mean, he seems crushed that they cut things, and they've completely given up on the show, at this point... "I guess they wanted a life", oh my gosh... That feels like that is the reason for watering down the story so much... If David Benioff and Dan Weiss were not going to take to see the story through properly like they said they would, WHY the hell did they even sign up for this!? Did those idiots even see how gigantic the books are!? The only book that wasn't out during season 1's production was *A Dance with Dragons* Book 5, but that book is SHORTER than *A Storm of Swords* Book 5! I hate to call David and Dan idiots, but they are. To tell this story you OBVIOUSLY need to be committed for YEARS! How didn't they know this? This show now makes me sick, sadly... The earlier seasons were great...but the later are not, in my opinion... It still some nice things going for it... For me, it doesn't matter if they deviate from the books... The catch is DEVIATE WELL! The changes must be interesting...but I did not find the changes interesting or good in later seasons...

Just like Jon Snow I think the deterioration of Tyrion's arc in the show is due to bad writing.

Jon Snow is worse, I cant stand the character anymore. Such a Gary Stu

After season 4 he became one of the most boring character EVER

Tyrion now is like a Korma compared to the Phaal curry he once was.

George, STOP TALKING TO PEOPLE AND FINISHED WINDS OF WINTER! You're killing us man!

#NOTMYTYRION needs to be trending on twitter NOW

All your videos about the show are very therapeutic to me now, thank you!

yeah I agree about tyrion. And Varys! Did he even have any lines?!!

Since Tyrion was a fan-favourite D&D were absolutely terrified into making him into the Tryrion from book 5, as he's really unpleasant since he's at his lowest point. They don't respect their audience enough to give them a good story. They throw out the shallow plot to appeal to the lowest common denominator and with Tyrion all they succeeded in doing is halt his character development completely. Tyrion in book 5 is going through a catharsis that needs to happen in order for him to develop into the person he will need to be for the coming war with the Others. D&D are too stupid to understand book!Tyrion's character progression, they view him as Saint Tyrion, who has no flaws and has never done anything wrong. Even if they did see his flaws, they don't have the talent to replace his missing arc with something substantial.

Totally agree. Him and many other characters have flatlined without the ASOIAF as a direct source for dialogue.

They have basically ruined my favourite GoT character.

That's the thing. They think the majority of the audience has no intellect, so they dont really give a shit about story telling.

lol, Martin's voice cracks me up.

For real, I was already worn out by season 4 and when they omitted"wherever whores go", I knew I wasn't gonna be as invested anymore. And they replaced his story with... him being Daenarys' ineffectual sidekick.

THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS VIDEO!!

Apparently Tyrion’s character is going to be ruined even more in the next season with a love triangle between him, Jon and Daenerys

Killed the woman he loved, killed his father, and honor's his marriage with Sansa. The old Tyrion is dead and the show is going to end in sorrow.

These are very good points. I like your even handed perspective. I enjoy all your videos ands your confidence to speak your honest insights in this day and age.

Yeah Tyrion became bad when the writers didn't have a book to follow.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way about Tyron's character in the show! Dinklage is a great actor, but you can only do so much with poor writing.

I want Audiobooks of the entire ASOIAF read by the character cast when GRRM is done. New casting for cut characters James Purefoy for Euron Greyjoy.

Totally agree with your video. He really isn't that great a character in the show now. He's got plenty of flaws, and there were unlikeable aspects to Book Tyrion, but that's what makes him a well developed character. He's got good and bad traits and is a very flawed human being in some ways and great at other things. It's not just a mere nitipick about a few things that happened in the show. It's also not a case of book fans who can't deal with the adaptation process. In fact there are plenty of people that are show only viewers (I know because many of my co-workers have never read the books) have also criticized things about the TV show despite the fact we all still enjoy it overall and can't wait to see the final season. It's just inconsistent writing ability on the part of the showrunners. They also don't know how to write scheming characters because there are things that Littlefinger does in Season 5 onwards that makes no damn sense. This on top of the internalized misogyny written into some of the female characters on the show (i.e. Arya & Lyanna Mormont). So yeah I also call BS on the idea that the problem with Tyrion stems from wanting to make Daenerys better for feminist reasons.

You're wonderful! Love the content.

Quinn, how could you say such things? Dan and Dave made the perfect show. Tyrion drinks and he knows things. HE KNOWS THINGS!!!! Game of thrones doesn't need more seasons. Why do we need more story? George is just hating because, because he didn't earn an Emmy and Dan and Dave did. He's hating, because they are superior storytellers. You're hater because you wish the books could be perfect like the show. Just stop hating and love the show Quinn. Love it like the rest of the showthots. LOVE IT!!! - Azor Ahype

We have extremely popular show and enough material for 4 more seasons. Show runners: make this season the last, also make it shorter. Hurry up, we should end the show ASAP.

Finally someone is saying what I've been thinking since season 6

I like to believe Tyrion is kind of learning from his father's rule. When Tywin was alive and in charge he pretty much did EVERYTHING and look at what happened to Westeros when he died, it all fell to pieces. My fan fiction is he's letting Dany learn on her own and simply advising her so she learns instead of just having someone do everything for her, that way if anything happens to him the entire plan doesn't fall to pieces like it did when Tywin died. Also it makes sense for him to take a back seat with Dany, when he first shows up he's literally the son of her, former, most powerful enemy Tywin and she's trusted others to take full command before and been betrayed by them. While he's in Essos he tries to kinda rule in her stead, but because of his up bringing does kind of worse then Dany did, as his solution not only annoyed the masters, but it also annoyed Dany's allies and inner circle. Then literally the first thing Tyrion does when they hit Westeros is botch the invasion, lost three of her strongest allies, and she's furious to the point where she tells him to basically shut up, gets on Drogon, and deals with it her way. The main reason Tyrion had power in the first few seasons is he listens to what people want, and tries to give it to them, which in Westeros is easy, as most people there are motivated by their desires and provided you can figure out what those are and how to help them accomplish them will get you power. In Essos and with Dany he can't really do that, as he has no solution to the slavery issues that Dany's allies want to back, as it doesn't align with their desires. And when it came to invading Westeros, he tried to get her the quick victory she wanted, but underestimated Jaime, I would say Cersi but let's be honest Jamie's the combat brains in House Lannister and is the one who learned the tactics from Robb while Cersi sat in the Red keep crying, and lost the initial invasion battles, and the majority of Dany's allies and armies at that point almost immediately into the war. So it's not that he's "not interesting" it's that his way of doing things and how he actually gets his power and how he actually accomplishes things don't work with Dany's conquests or desires. Remember she was ousted from her home because some jerkwad had an issue with her brother loving the same girl he did, and the girl choosing rhaegar over robert. I would be pretty pissed and wanting my throne/home back too.

As soon as the storylines diverged greatly from the books, you could tell that D&D have no idea what they are doing. Inconsistent Travel times, people/animals in places they couldn't be, and the worst bit, all the important characters donned Plot Armor in a very visible way. Its like they are in a race to the finish and be damned with consistency or even believability with characters, motivations, or actions.

Tyrion lost his edge after season 4, as did the rest of the show's writing

Looking back now I don't know how I managed to trick myself into not seeing all the problems. How did I not see this complete clusterfrick coming? denial is a hell of a thing!

Thank you for doing video essays about the stuff a lot of us are thinking and your insightful commentary on top of a lot of your general points and observations I agree with. I hope those of us who really want to hear the story being told in the books get to hear it, and that it takes a very different direction from the HBO show.

Simple answer: GRRM IQ: 240 D&D IQ:100

I agree about pretty much everything you said. I hate how Tyrion basically has no character development at all. Tyrion personality is pretty much the same in season 7 as it is in season 1. Even though hes both murdered his dad and the love of his life. Compare that to the books where Tyrion gets more and more depraved as the story goes on. Its essentially a tragedy. And the worst thing of all: even though Tyrion Lannister basically does nothing, Peter Dinklage keeps getting Emmy awards pretty much every year. Cant they give it to actors who have something to work with?

GOOD GOD, TYRION'S TRIAL IS FUCKING AMAZING. His "confession" speech, his heartbreaking reaction at Shae's backstabbing, everything... I still get goosebumps. Peter Dinklage nailed it, it was definitely one of the absolute best moments of the entire show. And then it all went to shit. I'll never forgive them for what they did to Tyrion and Littlefinger. They were both such intriguing characters, they fucking owned the game and now they've just faded into the background.

I love this channel. Found you after reading Dune for the first time a few months ago and never regretted clicking the sub button.

He started off as my favorite character...

#NotMyTyrion #NotMyShow

The way Charles Dance delivers his speech and becomes just a bit emotional in his voice as he says "that was my fathers sigil and his father before him" What an actor !!!

No time to write interesting and compelline scenes or dialogue for Tyrion. That time and energy can be better spent dedicated to YAAAAAASSSS QUEEN!

You can say this for every character really, but I still appreciate the rant and call out

My most favorite character became useless.

"I don't like to have my intelligence insulted" This quote is going right in my book of great quotes, along with quite a few quotes from book Tyrion.

12 seasons of Game of Thrones. Brings a tear to my eye.

This whole damn show is trash now. Just gives us the books!

8:45 I don't think you know how balloons work haha

You don't have to hold back Quinn, you can tell us what you really think 🤣 ... Seriously though, enjoyed the video, oh and you had several quotable rants in there that were just awesome 😁 I audibly busted out laughing several times as you slammed D and D 😂 I loved it!

I love the show with every fiber of my being and I agree with you, I never would of noticed these issues on my own without you to point them out and some of them I realized on my own but most I didn't and I'm thankful you're here to speak the truth until everyone else who just pretends everything is good