Except You receive a year free with purchase, and the price per month is tiny when weighed against premium software that runs between $300 and $3000, and will be outdated every few years. Many people even choose to use the Shapeoko free software with their X-Carves. Also, if you prefer, you can use any cad/cam software. If your preferred software isn't compatible out of the box, if it can generate gcode, you're good to go. The other 'downside' to easel he listed of it *always* needing to be connected to the internet, that's false as well. You need to be connected to put your design together, but that can be done at any computer. When I work with my CNC, I do the design from my very powerful PC or laptop from inside my house or in my climate controlled modeling workshop, then all I have to do is connect the PC that pushes to the CNC must connect to the internet just long enough to load the Easel project page. His demonstration of it running slowly is 100% the underpowered tablet PC he's using. It works, but not well. I have the same 'problem' because I wanted the absolute cheapest PC that I wouldn't feel guilty about leaving out in the barn, constantly connected to the CNC. If you shop doesn't have dedicated internet, you have two options. If you have a mobile hotspot, or can tether your phone, that's the best option (assuming your shop has cell signal) The other option is bring the PC that is pushing the code to the CNC in doors to load the project page. If either or both of these are inconvenient, you aren't forced to use Easel unless you're too technically un-savvy to learn how to use anything above the most basic beginner's software.

@@neobaggins3718 but at the end... it has to connect to the internet, that is the reason I will not buy this machine ... the same is for the Glowforge, great laser engraver but needs internet to work

The internet being needed was the big reason why I bought my shapeoko. Also as a former tool and die maker where I ran many different milling machines to make parts that were within .0001 inch of print dimensions due to being tooling and fixtures to make production parts, I know the flex in the x carve is your enemy. You will always be chasing variance and will have a more difficult time holding dimensions especially harder materials like metal. One update to shapeoko I just bought their new router controller to turn the spindle on and off automatically using the program. Along with their bit setter for tool changes so I can run multiple tools in one program. No more making multiple programs and loading and all the time wasted. Now it'll prompt me to change the tool, I change it to the next tool it automatically finds the tool length and adjusts the zero in z height and goes to cutting with the next tool.

@sillygoose goose that is you, but where I want to use it, internet is expensive, very expensive, do you see now why I will not buy it, if I am in the US, then I will buy it......

When does it come out???

Glad it was helpful! but i've since switched to the www.onefinitycnc.com

now thats a great wife!

Thanks Moha! Glad it helped!

Myers Woodshop : Do you now prefer the OnefinityCNC better than both? It seems to be very well build and so easy to assemble and disassemble, how’s the software on the OneFinity?

Liberty Graphic Designs I have the xxl and love I. I’m about to do some aluminum with it. Hope my bits hold up. I’m running with a 1/16 inch bit so I’m a little worried but the machine is great

I got the x carve and wish I'd gotten the shapeoko, but new machine is the QueenBee pro 1515. Beast

I’m glad it helped you!

Your gonna love it!

Thanks Drummer Girl! Glad it helped!

Drummer Girl what machine did you go with ??

Great! now check out www.onefinitycnc.com because that's what I changed out from shapeoko to currently!

I’m glad my series helped!

your welcome pingman!

Glad I could help!!

Haha. Yep, that’s what it is!

i'm glad it helped!

Thanks for your sub!

Why did you buy the Shapeoko and not the far superior Onefinity for the same cost I mention in my newer videos? (this is two years old)

@@MyersWoodshop Because I haven't committed to going through your entire video library.

thank you Gilles!

I own neither machine, but that test is a little deceiving as the flex would only be important if it was the router\machine causing the flex. When will the machine need to carry the weight of a man\more weight on it's rails? It won't. Hence why it is designed for the job intended, carrying the router with precision, which it is more than adequate to do. I know you are also thinking about forces applied when routing causing flex, but the machines are designed and intended to mainly cut wood, foam and acrylics. You could cut aluminium but that is NOT the main design purpose. For these processes the machines are adequately strong enough. It is when people expect more from a smaller machine that things get problematic.

I'm glad I could help you. Yeah, I'm not huge fan of cloud based software, especially when it's in the shop.

Thanks man!

your welcome

But the piece size being cut are different..

I want my time back... All that and you don't do an even test.... grrrr

​@@fredpinczuk7352 Yeah, this was in no way a fair test. He's either misinformed, or deliberately favoring the Shapeoko. First off, the 'flex test' in the frame was like testing the offroad suspension on a Ferarri vs a Lamborghini. Neither will be subjected to those forces. There's something to be said for being overbuilt, but there's also something to be said for something to be built sturdily, but cost effectively and favoring being light weight. It's personal preference in a large part. As for the limit switches, I have no great knowledge of limit switches, but the switches on the X-Carve are adjustable so you can align your limit with markings or clamping points if you have a highly repeated job, for example. This might be the case for the ones on the Shapeoko as well, but I'm doubtful they're any more sturdy. If anything, the ones on the X-Carve are easier to replace. The fact that he bent it trying to figure out how to wire it doesn't bode well for his technical understanding of machinery. As far as the free software that comes with both products, every X-Carve comes with a year free of Easel Pro, but it's by no means the only option. You can use Fusion (which also requires an internet connection periodically, but apparently that's a huuuge dealbreaker. I just tether my cellphone for the 30 seconds it takes me to load the webpage. You don't need to be connected the whole time. If you have the Easel page loaded with your project, it has all the data needed for the cut. Finally, moving on to the ludicrous 'side by side' First, both machines are running the same cutting head (off the shelf DeWalt router) so it's either incompetence, or bias that caused him to give the X-Carve a larger object to cut, as well as changing the cut feed speed so it moves slower. Unless one of the woods he used was Walnut and the other was Poplar, there was no reason to have different cut speeds. Both machines are operating well within their limits at the maximum viable cut speeds for a given material, so a side by side cut literally proves nothing to anyone, but I suppose it might convince someone with more money than sense to buy one machine simply because they don't know better.

Neo Baggins On the other hand, the XXL is $180 less than the x-carve. So, why wouldn’t one pick the sturdier and cheaper model? I do agree that the cutting test was bogus. These two machines can cut at the same speed with the same spindle and tool.

Carsten Langrock it really isn’t cheaper to go with the shapeoko because you have to buy the dewalt spindle then. Where as with the x-carve it comes with it along with the z probe kit as well.

your welcome guys!

haha. that's hillarious.

Cheers!

Your welcome! Hope it helps!

Glad it helped! but it's old. Check out my new videos on the Onefinity CNC!

@@MyersWoodshop Will do that.

No problem! glad I can Help!

glad i helped!

Glad you like them! but i've since switched to the www.onefinitycnc.com

@@MyersWoodshop why the switch? What pro's/con's have you found vs these machines?

This video is really old now. I’m using a onefinity cnc now! Check them out www.onefinitycnc.com

Check out www.OnefinityCnc.com. It’s what I use now

fusion is definitely better!

you think the xcarve is a better machine?

no problem! Glad I could help!

your welcome! Glad it helped!

You can run with g code sender without internet...but you certainly cannot create in easel without it! Your right, aspire and aspire v-carve is the way to go in the long run...but if you just dropped 1300 + on the machine, alot might not want/be able to drop 300+ more on software.

Myers Woodshop An offline mode is incoming.

That’s good news!

I've never had my xcarve online. After a short test drive with easel, I decided not to even bother with the electronics and stick with the software stack I already use. I built my xcarve with a GeckoDrive 540 hooked up to a PC running LinuxCNC. Remember with open source designs some folks will highly customize their machine.

@@WalterEGough I'm running turbocnc for DOS on an HP thin client here, controlling my el-cheapo chinese 6040z (ballscrews) router/engraver.

Glad you liked it....but i've since switched to the www.onefinitycnc.com

I use a www.onefinitycnc.com now and it's made for use with lightburn and a jtech laser!

Thanks!

Hello neighbor!! Small world!

You are welcome!

You welcome Chris.

Yes the China motors suck and die in one hour they already cashed the check they have no incentive to make a solid motor why would they when you will keep buying their garbage over an over no different then buying. 50 sets of head phones a year.

they are both very capable machines.

Thanks man!

thank you!

Kill switch is a really good idea! Thanks for watching!

shhh, don't tell anyone :P

definitly the dust boot and the touch probe: www.matterhackers.com/store/l/carbide-3d-shapeoko-touch-probe/sk/MHLSR7D0?aff=7502 www.matterhackers.com/store/l/suckit-pro-dust-boot-for-shapeoko/sk/M18S7RSD?aff=7502

Fournier Luc oh, yeah they look like two different squares?! Your right.

i always say go as big as you can. you can always cut smaller with the bigger one. Carbide usually does a black friday sale and includes a free router and maybe free shipping.

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Double sided tape, and brad/micro pin nails work great!

glad it helped!

www.amazon.com/shop/myerswoodshop has my recommended bits and add ons. also stuff on my blog, www.myerswoodshop.com/blog yes, they can use the same routers.

100%, there’s no comparison. Onefinity is the way to go.

they both do a great job for what they are!

2k for both.

nice ! you'll love it!

you wont be disapointed!

don't get an xcarve. their junk and overpriced marketing hype. get a www.onefinitycnc.com

yep, you can use them on eachother. Check out my carbide create series. Part 1-4 should help you!

nice job!

Yes, I use one regularly on my Shapeoko, I engrave granite, glass and metal with it.

sure can!

we all gotta start somewhere!

I have a whole entire series on how to use create on my channel.

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