The David Graeber quote that Curtis mentions is brilliant. I enjoyed Graeber's books, especially "Bullshit Jobs" (and absolutely loved Curtis's Hypernormalisation as well btw). More episodes like this, Chapo. Awesome stuff, thought provoking.

pretty good but i think the part where he said hillary clinton wasn't a bad person was pretty fucked up

37:32 Lol at Curtis giving credit to the Nazbol guy after Will tried to distance himself from him.

Can't Get You Out of My Head is one of the best films of the year. If Twin Peaks: The Return can be considered a film then gosh darn it so can Curtis's masterpiece.

Corn dogs are the ultimate form of sandwich. The meat is completely enrobed in the bread.

Make Adam Curtis listen to that immortal technique song

one of the better episodes, on par with the Alan Moore and Wallace Shawn ones, honestly Chapo should just completely pivot to Matt making CushVlogs, Will interviewing people and Felix gaming and watching KZfaq with the FYM boys

I really liked this interview. Good job! I like this Adam Curtis guy.

I think adam curtis is officially a Friend Of The Trap now

I feel like what Adam is (unknowningly perhaps) pointing towards... is the incredible need for global healing. I am very much convinced that the majority of people are traumatised individuals and much of this is intergenerational, and related to our deep uncertainty and confusion about our identity as the beings that we are and what our role or purpose may or may not be in the universe. I think we need to find internal safety in order to find external progress towards a global society of peace and prosperity and justice for all - this isn't just an... 'all you need is love'-style ramble... I think it's in fact the only way forward, and is tied to ecological knowledge and I think technology is a key factor in enabling people to develop together. Quite frankly I think ecological, technological and psychological developments are keystones for a new global society that doesn't hate itself or rip itself apart through individualist or nationalistic assinine policies and wars.

I've just noticed something incredibly odd about Adam Curtis. He doesn't go errrrr, or ummmm when speaking. He hardly ever even pauses or hesitates when speaking.

I think what’s most powerful is when you force people into a survival state they make immediate and often poor decisions

like never ever ever replacing your car parts for fear of changing it meanwhile shits falling apart until it’s so unsafe it kills you

Is there a newer interview with Adam Curtis? It’s 2024 now.

5:02 to skip to AC

that little hopeful music bit at 43:14 threw me out of my doomer chapo mode for a second

I’ll never dance the same again 😂

I agree that there was a level of hysterics to the reaction on the 6th but I don’t want us on the left to confuse incompetence with some sort of sad apathy. I think anyone who wants to try to minimize the capitol riot has to answer the question.. what would the rioters have done if they had overwhelmed the police and gotten their hand on palosi or aoc or pence for that matter? Because it seems pretty clear to me that they would have torn them to shreds. If anything the apathy and sadness that we saw was a reaction to the fact that they prob really didn’t expect to get as far as they did and once they were inside and there wasn’t a magic “reverse the election button” they didn’t know what else to do but shout and stomp around

can't believe you guys managed an interview with unkle adams

Curtis otm about how culture became the safe bastion for radicalism/revolution, keeping it far away from the actual levers of power, & the Internet prob completed this. Without moralizing at all about streaming or online piracy you could say that this--because it divorced culture from money--was one of the necessary preconditions that allowed the huge upward transfer of wealth, maybe because it made it easier to ignore it at first..? At least until it was impossible to ignore, at which point, we were all powerless to really affect it...

Hot dogs are tacos

this was the most i m p o r t a n t episode i've honestly heard in a while and i'll be coming back to it a lot. i love the entertaining stuff, the silly stuff for the end of my shift at work, but i really enjoyed this conversation and i hope i can get some of the people i've held onto for the last 4y to give it a chance. it doesn't talk to down to anyone; the bernie bit at the end is a point i've been stuck on for a while.

1:05:?? - David Graeber...I mourn him more than I do my own mother...my mother was an asshole, btw, just to be clear. Ugh, I hate my life. My father is an asshole as well. I guess that makes me an asshole too...

The thing Curtis describes as "complexity theory" may exist and be important, but it is not the thing that is called "complexity theory". Moments like that make me wonder, what else is he getting wrong.

Somebody please inform Adam that the welfare state he talks about was fought for by the working class !! thanks to and because of !! the ideas of communism and socialism, and only existed as long as there was a serious threat to laissez fair capitalism on the other side of the "iron curtain". since that threat started to crumble, the welfare state has been systematically dismantled with ever growing viciousness all over the western world, starting from his very own home country led by its very own Iron Lady, and it will only continue being crushed into dust until there is nothing left of it, but a faded memory described in history books. just like democracy.

Is this on doc on Hulu or any platform that has the watch party feature?

39:56 How do you spell the name of the guy Will mentioned here? The book(s) he’s talking about sound really interesting.

if you don't see the Fnord, the Fnord won't hurt you

I miss old chapo

Woooh ! Menthol Death !

Is it gonna be humanity going the Star Trek way, folks?

I Love it's me eddie

tres interessant

The thing for me about Adam Curtis is that he seems to contradict himself or be vague enough that I can only slightly understand what he actually _wants._ Like if he set up a political party, what would be it's ideology? What would it's manifesto state?

WTF are y'all talking about? Dancing is an incredibly communal experience. Partnered dancing, line dancing, dancing in carnivals and parades. Y'all are too bland to understand.

Lose yourself

I truly love you guys but if you insist on mocking Wandavision I may have to leave you - not out of anger but because I’ll have to reevaluate my respect for your intelligence and coolness. Seriously guys...

The emphasis on power is correct, much of the rest is nonsense and completely unchallenged here. Those in power having nothing to offer? They design and maintain the system which administers for capital.

Christman Penovich 2034 only way to Save American. Nazz bol gang gang

Outstanding my dear awakened super cool individuals, the masters are indeed knowledgeable and most likely capable of creating a glorious new story for us to indulge in. Adam you are tremendous specimen, the Elon Musk of Journalism! we sorry ass individuals are grateful to your visions and remarks about where we are and what really happened in the back_offices... most important you have made peace with evil by exonerating him from all his sins and made it clear it was us all along who are the creators of the play and we can rewrite it again .

Shockingly enough, I think Russell Brand was more a match as host for Curtis than this bumpkin.

This guy obviously believes in the great man theory of history. Talking idealist shite at the end there.

The guest blows lmao. Matt himself gives more insightful takes while hammered on a random Tuesday.

"People often accuse me of being a lefty. That's complete rubbish. If you look at The Century of the Self, what I'm arguing is something very close to a neoconservative position because I'm saying that, with the rise of individualism, you tend to get the corrosion of the other idea of social bonds and communal networks, because everyone is on their own. Well, that's what the neoconservatives argue, domestically. If you ask me what my politics are, I'm very much a creature of my time. I don't really have any. I change my mind over different issues, but I am much more fond of a libertarian view. I have a more libertarian tendency [...] What's astonishing in our time is how the Left here has completely failed to come up with any alternatives, and I think you may well see a lefty libertarianism emerging because people will be much more sympathetic to it, or just a libertarianism, and out of that will come ideas. And I don't mean "localism"." - Adam Curtis When the Facists gets criticized for being one, his reflex is to say "but He is also a very nice Man..." The man runs Defence for People he supposedly disagrees with. I personaly know a NazBol or two, and having never really heard of Adam Curtis before, he sounds very similar to one, always being careful with his words to try and seem as a progressive, but never really making the jump over. And I see people Here doing the same for him, trying to add context to what is said by pointing to this or that Film of his. I can understand why people are concernd with chapo letting him spread his Ideas on their Platform, even if they Distance themselfs in a soft tone, and even if the man himself is genuine in his belief, or the people defending him for that matter. "I’m emotionally sympathetic to radicalism […] I’m a progressive, I mean that's really what my politics are. I mean, I’m typical of my time, I don’t have a consistent set of politics and I always suspect people who do, but I’m progressive so I try and understand what went wrong with radicalism." - Adam Curtis, Elaborating on the first Quote above "People often accuse me of being a lefty. That's complete rubbish. If you look at The Century of the Self, what I'm arguing is something very close to a neoconservative position ..." / "I’m a progressive, I mean that's really what my politics are. I mean, I’m typical of my time, I don’t have a consistent set of politics..." / "If you ask me what my politics are, I'm very much a creature of my time. I don't really have any. I change my mind over different issues, but I am much more fond of a libertarian view. I have a more libertarian tendency... "

Adam Curtis has been selling NazBol mythology via blogs and films since 2012. 36:31 LIMONOV finds "money has come into Russia and has corrupted everything and everyone" as powerless individuals, so decides "let's revive the old nationalist myths" and "fuses fascism and communism" into National Bolshevism, "trying to go back to the original modernist roots of fascism (I'm not praising him at all)", claims CURTIS. He saw "it had that power to excite people, that it gave you the enemy". LIMONOV was fascinated by Gabriele D'ANNUNZIO "one of the early fascists in italy, who said 'Look, human beings have the power to make the world anything they want'. It's the most exciting idea in the world". LIMONOV realised "that was the thing that could challenge this managerialist system." CURTIS takes LIMONOV seriously because "the third member of his NazBol party...was a musician I've always loved, called Igor 'Yegor' LETOV … i just thought he was brilliant, … if he's joining that party there's something really interesting about it … that's when i started reading about LIMONOV". [National Bolshevik Front was founded in 1992] LIMONOV "isn't a very nice person but he's sort of a truth teller [and] a really interesting way to look at our time", says CURTIS, "He's not a very nice man but on the other hand though, when you read his novel … you go, 'Oh yeah, actually that's really interesting". 64:30 CURTIS wants a story about the world "to have this sense that that, i quote this guy called David GRAEBER who's now, who's an activist, at both the front of the series and the end of the series, who simply said 'The great hidden truth about the world is that, we made this world and if we made it then we can make it differently and I find that really thrilling. I love that idea." GRAEBER died last year, CURTIS uses his words to return to D'ANNUNZIO's idea, which fascinated LIMONOV and thrills CURTIS.

Funny how this liberal speaker speaks of "radical change" and three of his case studies are a counter-revolutionary, a fascist, a rapper and a Playboy columnist. Beautiful and haunting filmmaker, would listen to his pointless drivel again.

It's wild how pretentious Curtis is when you realize his politics are still just neoliberalism. Yeah man, I also wish there was some alternative to individualism, something that binds individuals together, somehow... I regret wasting the like 8 hours to watch his last piece but hypernormalization was good I guess.

This had better be fucking satire... The fact this bullshit is even being entertained portends ill for the Left, and the future quite frankly..

Curtis is a self described neocon, and he seems to be very interested in making the far right seem innocent. He'd have a better understanding of why things don't change if he understood that conservative ideology is the one actively preventing change under the guise of promoting "unit of one" thinking. He's too busy talking about both sides...

Probably the most boring episode I’ve listened to and basically just repeating 2017 takes on the election of Trump. He even exposed where he got have his points from when he name dropped Steve Bannon lollll. He basically regurgitated a Steve Bannon speech in 2017 / 2018 but made it more boring and gave it a 1% leftists slant.