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Vaush: “Isaac is a child groomer.” Also Vaush: “I see no reason as to why child porn is illegal.”

Vaush reminds me of a rejected kindergarten teacher

I can confirm I would rather be dead than have have been molested. 20 years later still I struggle.

Vosh: "why should child poon be illegal" The rest of the sane world: "maybe because it's considered statutory rape vosh"

Vaush doesn't know what he's talking about. He thinks lithium is known for being mined by children, he's actually thinking about cobalt. While colbalt can be mined by hand by children the vast majority of it is mined by industrial open cut mines. 90,000 tones is mined each year in the congo and Vaush think's it's done by children. Think about it. EDIT: I also want to point out in a previous version of this argument where vaush claims child porn is a ok he thought the mineral that children were mining was silicon, you know sand... he thought children were mining sand.

Vaush: “Isaac is a child groomer” Also Vaush: “I sexually harassed a woman two years ago!”

Slavery that is happening right now: The Left "I sleep." Slavery that happened 200 years ago: The Left "REAL SHIT!"

The thing about CP is that the product itself *is* the violation and exploitation of children. While people and children being exploited for cheap labor is a heinous thing, the product itself isn't evil. Shoes aren't evil. CP and trafficking (technically a different thing but closely related) the product itself is evil and taking and sort of part in it is as heinous as creating it.

Vaush seems like the kind of guy who watches Boku No Pico for kicks.

I see no reason for Vaush to exist.

I love the Buttsman. He speaks English but he can also speak the language of facts.

This is why I legitimately respect and look up to Isaac. No matter who you are or what you’ve done/said, if Isaac sees something that’s not right he will bring it up and will defend someone no matter how bad of a person they are.

The fact that he says he's "never heard a legitimate argument" when it comes to possession of cp.... I don't think he's "never heard" one, I just think he doesn't _listen_

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This is not the first time Vaushe has defending child sexual abuse. Nor is his whataboutism the only argument. He's also argued that children can consent. You give him too much credit Isaac

Vaushe’s twitch comments tho: -“Australiocide Now”

I can't feel bad for Vaush about someone using a clip of him instead of the whole playing the whole video, because he does the same shit.

Your beard is looking more sexy then normal....

Imagine if a person who thinks that child porn should be legal accuses someone else of being a child predator *OH WAIT...*

I kind of understand where he is coming from. However, in relation to child porn, it should 100% be illegal to possess it. Even those in possession are keeping the market afloat. I agree that the creators and distributes should be hung. drawn and quartered. Those in possession should also be prosecuted, as a deterrent if nothing else

No one ever jokes about calling someone a pedophile and think its funny . The sad disgusting thing is more and more people are trying to make child porn "main stream" or as normal as normal porn. I wish so much I had the power to fight against the sex slave trade. It is the worst crime, but gets treated as if they got caught with their hand in the biscuit jar.

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I was abused for 7 years every Sunday I'm nearly 55 now and still nightmares of what happened to me at the age of 8. I think your videos are brilliant keep up the great work.

The difference between Child pr0n and buying things that are made from sweatshops is that with the former, you’re explicitly paying for a child being abused. With the latter, while you can disagree with how it’s made, you’re paying for the item, not the exploitation

He called you a "groomer", cause he was projections

Well the FBI will now be paying him a visit. His soon to be cell mates will be so nice to him.

This is like comparing a child making a leather purse, to a child making a purse out of their own skin. Not only is the way the product is made terrible but the product itself is terrible and disgusting.

How can anyone take anything Vaush says seriously

Honestly respect the fact that you're looking deeper into the situation and not just jumping on the train

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The problem with Vaush's argument is that he's utilizing a moral high ground from a position that he doesn't hold. "If YOU are okay with buying clothes made in a sweatshop exploiting children, YOU have to be okay with buying porn made by exploiting children." Two things. 1) Both of those is illegal in the States, and I don't control where the companies acquire their products. In an ideal world, we would have all manufacturing done in the states so we can crack down on that, but we don't. (Vaush most definitely voted for Biden who plans on establishing free trade with China and hiking taxes, meaning more manufacturing will go overseas, providing more opportunities for this to occur. 2) By his logic, anyone okay with abortion must be okay with killing another human being because, on an objective level, it is the same thing. He wants to apply a single layer of morality to a tiered system as we have already in place. Stealing is less offensive than murder, and so on. TL;DR Vaush doesn't even follow through with the logic of his argument on abortion, or even his support of politicians and free trade with morally repugnant countries. Vaush is pretending to care about children to make an argument he will expect YOU to care about. Vaush is a slimeball. Not worth listening to other than for a laugh.

Basically since Corona I and my dad have thought most if not all products should be made in home countries instead of outsourcing labour

Vaush is the sound you make when you've got food poisoning and it's coming out both ends.

What are you talking about Australia doesn’t even exist

Vaush got his argument wrong, it should be framed as "if you think child sexual exploitation is bad, exploitation for slave labor should be just as bad" not the inverse which he went with.

Vaush literally said he hasn't seen any good arguments for why CP should be banned but has the balls to call Isaac a child groomer... Fuckin what?

6:00 Here's another compelling argument, though. You can choose to buy products -- such as clothing and electronics -- that you believe are more ethically sourced or made in the first world (which I support, as Isaac said, would create more American and Australian jobs and boost the economies). There are ways around it if you don't want to create a demand for slave labor. With child porn, however, NO MATTER WHAT a demand for child rape is still being created for such material to be produced.

Working with kids my entire life and actually having a coworker show me CP she took of a child we were both taking care of (he was special needs) I feel the wrath that Isaac feels (I still can't get those images out of my head to this day to the point that I wake up nauseous some mornings) Vaush has a point too but hes very brash about them and hes a generally unlikable person, I wish others would be more vocal about both issues

“Why would he call me a “Child-Groomer”? Because I yell at the camera.” cold zoom to his face which scream “there’s no hope”.

This is a perfect example of guilty people point fingers.

This is EXTREMELY bad faith.

Are we talking about the same Vaush who does nothing but sit on his bum all day and spews annoying theories/shouts "I hate conservates"

When I'm Emperor of America, my first act will be to banish Vaush to Australia

*Wow I’m early!* *Like this to unleash the cows into every vegan’s house*

Vaush’s argument is just one giant appeal to hypocrisy fallacy.

Is anyone going to talk about this guy replying to every comment saying "Soup"

Vaush is the worst kind of gatekeeper and human imaginable.

I disagreed with your perspective on American 2A rights but I applaud you for your defense of human rights in third world countries as well as recognizing the legal over steps in First World countries regarding the actions in other countries.

Can you have a look into a guy called David Lynn. He’s a prime example of how freedom of religion is not a thing. Watch gay pride attack preacher David lynn Edit- would be a good video idea and spreading the message

It’s absolutely worse than murder. Murder can occasionally be morally justified. Murder can occasionally be legally justified. CP is wrong in every single fucking level and under absolutely NO circumstances is it ever justified

Vaush has 400k subs, and Isaac has 2M, there truly is justice.

Mad respect to Isaac for showing how easy it is to manipulate media.

Vaush looks like he greets women by tipping his fedora

Vaush's argument comes down to this: it's ok to exploit kids for sex but not for money. Of course, that assumes that the sexual exploitation is done for free otherwise it would be simply exploiting kids for money.

As an American, we do not claim Vaush.

Yes, thank you for covering Vaush again. His sub count is scarily high.

I remember hearing his argument ages ago, so I did some research into silica (I'm more interested in tech than clothing), and yeah, Australia has quite a few silica mines. Also, there's quite a fair bit of promising research going towards replacements for silicon chips. I would propose that if someone feels bad about purchasing goods that involve child labour, invest in or promote tech and alternative solutions to the issue than saying, "If we allow this, how is child p*** bad?".

The difference: You can have a phone that was created without the exploitation of children. A phone does not need to be created in a sweatshop through the means of child labor. You can remove the variable that is child exploitation from the equation. When it comes to child pornography, however, this is not possible. Child pornography is derived from the exploitation and abuse of minors, so the variable is not removable from this equation as it is the previous. You cannot have child pornography without exploiting a child. There's a reason we have child labor laws over here in the west.

As an American I don't understand what's wrong with being from Australia. Every one I've ever met was cool.

I would argue it is a clear cut answer, just that the actual execution of the solution is hard and complicated. Child slave labor is wrong, any slave labor is wrong, rape is wrong, sexual exploitation is worng. It's all wrong, but there is a slight difference. Products, like jewels, tech, and clothes, can be produced without child/any slave labor and the burden of changing that means of production lies within the home country and the consumer. Sexually gotten products like child stuff CANNOT be gotten without directly harming the child in the worst way possible. The child is "necessary" for said product. The argument shouldn't be, well because we allow this form of evil all forms of evil should be legal. It should be we don't allow this form of evil, so we should also look at other forms of evil that we should say no to as well.

To vaush, how about the children haven't consented to their rape being displayed

Mr Butterfield I totally agree with you that children should be protected not abused especially sexually abused by adults I for one would gladly go to jail protecting any child

I get his argument, but I think it’s flipped. His argument is essentially “make child pornography legal because sweatshops and child labor isn’t” When it should be “make child labor and sweat shops illegal, because child pornography is”

I like how you tried to understand and try and get across Vaush’s message even if you disagree with it and give your own opinion on it

Oi dont compare him to Ragnar Lothbrok. Ragnar doesn’t deserve that

We need to get Chris Hansen on Vaush

The difference between owning child porn made by child slaves and iphones made by child slaves is: When you use iphones, computers, clothes, and other materials you are not communicating that you support child slavery but you are using resources that are convenient and easy to use. When you consume child pornography, you are pleasuring yourself off someone else's pain in a creepy way that makes you a danger to society. There is a very big difference.

I love how while that guy was apologizing, the ENTIRE chat was “Ok GROOMER!” Comedy gold right there!

If more Aussies are like you, I wanna move to Australia. You are rad!

Hang on, he called you a child groomer?. Vaush is the one who is on camera saying that he doesn't think child porn should be illegal, sounds like he is deflecting.

Never ever bring out the G card ever unless you have absolute proof

this was actually a very nice explanation of what vaush said

Mad props to you buttsmarn always keeping it fair And honestly said everything that could be said

This is the reason I refuse to shop at primark. There is no way a company can sell shit that cheap without someone being exploited massively someone along the chain.

Would Vaush give Cuties 5 stars? The answer is, yes. I believe he already weighed in on that topic.

I’m looking through the comments and I am seeing that a single person is reply to the majority of the comments just saying “soup?”, that’s dedication.

vaush's name is ian kochinski, he lives in tacoma washington. His full dox is on kiwifarms and often posted on 4chan.

In a perfect world men like me would not exist. But this is not a perfect world

Vaush is the kind of person who talked a lot shit without getting punched in the face.

sadly, this video is still relevant recently

Not trying to defend this reprehensible action, but I do believe our society, the United States, has a problem with the way they punish these crimes. What I mean is an individual who has sex with an underage person can receive less time than an individual who simply possesses a video of such act that he did not make. Not to mention the one who committed the act can even plea for a lesser charge which does not put them on the sex offender registry. This is most commonly seen with women who commit these acts but there are also some cases of men getting lesser charges but much rarer. This makes no sense. Both crimes should be punished but one is clearly worse than the other.

Another thing to consider is that a lot of people are fighting against sweatshops. It isn't like no one ever says anything about one and not the other. But I don't think its fair to say "if we let one we should let the other". To me the logic seems like "if someone steals a gun we should let them shoot people". No. Both are wrong and both should be fought against

"if I am to choose between one evil and another... I would rather not choose at all".

One of my friends has been exploited by a family member multiple times and I’ve had to help her emotionally so much :(

with this i know i can trust Isaac mainly because he shows all sides to an argument

the thing is, vaush actually made a valid point. Even our phones use cobalt mined by slaves in africa or whatever country it is.

3 words “kids cannot consent”

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The thing is that... well, a second earlier he said that "zoophilia porn could possibly increase the prevalence of zoophiles". So he got his good argument right there.

One is illegal, the other is immoral and possibly should be made illegal but it's not there yet.

Vaush: "Hi can I please order a small Cheese Pizza"

Has anyone heard of the movie Idiocrisy? Watch it, it's very enlightening... of our terrible reality.

My argument with this is that you can buy products like computers and clothing that aren’t made by slaves but child...stuff there is only one likely and sick and twisted source of it

I personally support capital punishment for child molesters and child murderers. Why? If we’re going to err on the side of caution, why protect the molesters? Shouldn’t we be thinking of the children first?

Vaush, just fucking wow. God damn. Good on you for telling the whole story though.

Yet another brilliant take on a difficult subject. I had my own experiences of sexual abuse when I was a child and it helps when people fairly bring to light the extent of devestation on the whole family as a result. It is also, as you say, extremely important to make a distinction between a monster and a man. The man who abused me growing up was a monster. All the other men in my life I've known would defend me to the death from a monster like him. Let's stop blaming men for being associated with monsters and protect the aspect of them which allows them to be our defenders, because if we don't, and we keep calling them monsters, then what do we expect them to become?

The problem with his arguments to highlight the poor conditions of sweet shops to justify child porn is that those sweet shops working conditions can be improved, pay increased and allow unionisation. Child porn will always be harmful no matter what you do, the fact that he uses sweet shops to justify child porn is really him masquerading his desires under some pretence of pointing out slavery as justification. He also said he hasn’t heard an ethical argument as to why child porn is bad shows he hides behind the pretence of pointing out slavery as an excuse to legalise child porn. Why does someone need an ethical reason for why child porn should be illegal?

On one hand, shutting down sweatshops would put an end to horrible working conditions. On the other hand, it would put already impoverished people out of a job.