The Devs rolled a natural 1 when making the map

Not to mention the loop Scott is at at 2:51 doesn’t even have a window nor a good pallet spawn. It’s such a dog shit tile😂

Also, how do they allow a pallet with a giant gap on its side? Between the two trees. Dont forget the double pallets spawnning inside each other lol.

Not to mention the fact that if you play on a TV if you go downstairs you can't see anything! I played last NIGHT with my lights turned off and my TV bright and I STRUGGLED to see surviors in front of me!

It’s time to also change the terror radius to be different if the killer is above or below you. Especially on this map.

Shocking how you didn't mention the 2 pallets spawning in the same location and that one COMPLETELY useless filler pallet near Shack.

I got a game vs skull merchant & she placed all her drones downstairs and stayed there the entire game and slugged us to death & we literally couldnt do anything about it

I think this map would be less bad if it was 100% indoor with no portals. It would still suck, but for a different reason.

"I don't understand how they put such a glaring flaw into their map." They don't play their game, that's how. They just look at some Excel spreadsheets and don't look into these things any further.

Another big problem with the map is how the portals interact with killer powers. For example victor cannot go through the portals making him useless if a survivor takes one. I'm not sure about the knights guards but I'm going to guess they can't and will instead just walk against them. Kind of stupid but i guess no one plays twins so they don't care.

It's a common theme these days. All there most recent maps are horrible, this happens on greenvale also with the cinema map. Once the cinema gen is done there is no reason to ever go over there. Tends to have 4 gens also and very meh pallets if you are unlucky.

there's 1 filler pallet upstairs where if you drop the pallet the killer can just walk through a gap inbetween a tree

As one of like 5 hag players, I don't even know what the downstairs looks like. As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't exist

In my opinion The map should have just been an indoor map of a dungeon What they did is a cool idea But it's highly impractical

The trend i see on the upper part is all survivors just tend to be around shack. Theres just no other better spot to be even when the shack pallet is gone, shit is full of dead zones and unsafe pallets.

I’m really surprised they didn’t see it, I decided to just play the top area as killer and it was so easy to defend even with no gen slowdown. I ended up feeling bad for the survivors and letting them finish the gens

This map is so beyond confusing. I end up walking in circles and still can get a 4k cause no one has any idea wtf is happening.

3:30 and thats *before* you take boil over into account; if the survivor goes down in between the hook auras, it is literally impossible to navigate successfully

They kind of gave us an indoor exit gate with Hawkins, they can probably make an exit like that on this map too.

I will say the downstairs does not always spawn 2 hooks. I went into a custom with a friend and it had 3 hooks including the one in the main room. My guess is the map is suffering from the midwich problem where hooks spawns are weird due to the multiple floors. Edit: a bit of an update, 4 hooks can spawn at the bottom. I had all 4 of my scourge hooks spawn at the bottom floor.

Skull Merchant leaps from dog shit to giant dog shit in this map

Another problem with this map has is the lack of ways to traverse between upstairs and downstairs. Sure, you have different portals to go from downstairs to upstairs, but all the entrances/portals to go from upstairs to downstairs are clustered at the tower for some reason. This makes it really hard to get downstairs as survivors or killers without teleportation powers. Killers WITH teleportation powers like nurse/dredge/xenomorph can snowball sooooooo much faster or proxy camp sooooooo much more effectively on this map. These killers also have these advantages on other 2 floor maps but it's not as big of a deal because maps like The Game and Midwitch actually have their stairs located at different spots, instead of all clustered at one same spot like this map.

Funny thing as well. You can 3 gen the fuck out of the underground with certain info perks. If you then know that no survs are in the underground, you can stand in 1 spot to cover both entrances to the underground and lock up the game.

Unfortunately, the killswitch has a 20 week cooldown before it can be used again. I wish they’d buff it already.

I have found several times a pallet that doesnt even connect to something when it is down so you can just walk right past the floating pallet

Also just to add which also builds on the issue of the two floors and portals, There is only two points on the map which allows you to transverse up and down the floors and they are both located basically within a 10m radius of eachother forcing you to cross the entire map to get down to the second floor.

i like to space out and look at the cat while scott talks

You can also get trapped within a wall when using the portals Outside loops essentially gets you downed, downstair loops seem real powerful mainly because of the portal infinite, it instantly ends the chase and restarts it 💀

the map is also incredibley dark, more so than others. I had to turn my filters higher just to see anything

I KNEW you were going to make a video about this. My first time playing the map it was abysmal because I wasn't playing a teleport killer

There’s also a bug where you sometimes get stuck in the portal frame after you use it

God, Exit Gates being too close together boils my piss, man. I haven't played since The Unknown released but I am a survivor main and I adore maps that take too long to get to each door since it gives me at least a decent chance to escape, such as Lerys for example.

About the portals, they should probably also add like a second of grace for survivors in regards to movement detecting powers. Your character just moving through the portal can get you tagged by Skull Merchant and Pyramid Head, not sure if there are any others. Other than that I agree, not sure who play tested this map, but it is not very good.

I played on this map as leather face and the downstairs has two windows you can connect that basically make an infinite and once you actually start closing the distance survivors will just go through both portals and do it all over again.

I made a tiktok that was just a highlight reel of all of the survivors that I hit behind the fake pallet that just let's you walk through it - that aside, the layout of it reallllllly is such a problem, i was bored of playing on the map after one day

My problem is I'm blind and can't see anything on dark maps lol

they should've made it a completely indoors map, it's the transitions between those two halves that ruin the map over all I feel like.

That window directly to the left when you go through the tower portal is the most annoying thing in the entire game. It gives survivors like 5 seconds and is basically an infinite and when you finally catch up they have a pallet that leads back into said window. I hate it so much that yes, I do not follow them through that portal anymore. About to main nurse just to beat that stupid window.

I love that pallet that doesn’t fall against anything and just floats in the air. Most useful pallet ever.

The downstairs is so insanely dark.

Also for me anyways I find it annoying that the killers terror radius is heard and you can’t tell if he’s down below or up top , it’s not like midwich or gideons where it’s a building and it makes sense, this there’s a layer of earth between it and it sounds like the killer is right on you but he’s not

My friends and I have been bringing the map with exponential. The boon can cover most of the map from above and below, and we just put it on whichever the killer is avoiding. Then run sabo and pretty much insta win. They slug, everyone gets up with boon, someone is in background with hyper focus stake out which is crazy on new map, rinse and repeat.

there is also one pallet on the outskirts upstairs that was bugged in one of my games where one side of the pallet wasnt connected to anything and u could just run around the edge of the actual pallet itself.

I love the pallet by the gate close to the corner. Doesn't stop anything lol

thx for the video scott, unfortunately in true BHVR fashion the map will most likely get 0 changes whatsoever for 5 months and then a complete rework which ruins the WHOLE map for everybody! yay!

Vecna's map has a lot of problems? That is an understatement of a title. No idea how this map got finalized with such blatant issues.

A reminded that this map does have a basement, but for whatever reason the basement spawns on the top floor of the map rather than in the dungeon. It's not as though the basement can't be placed in a lower area because it has been done before with Temple of Purgation.

I think it needs an extra entrance, somewhere. Maybe a tunnel/winding staircase behind Vecna’s desk that leads out to around the middle of map. It’s such a trek to go down there as killer it barely feels worth it. I’d say make the underground more appealing and easier to reach as killer, and make the above ground harder to just 3 gen.

Aside from the downstairs hooks and the exit gates, I think the map is great. Looping both outside and inside is fun for both sides and with an information perk like alert or empathy, outside becomes much more safe for solo survivors.

If you get a lag spike when going through a portal into the dungeon, you can glitch into the wall and be stuck the whole game. Happened to me mid-chase and had to sit there for the survivors to finish.

I literally never chase down stairs on this map.

It hurts because I love this map. The downstairs loops are unique and fun but killers are realizing how bad it is for them. I ran into the exit gate issue multiple times now as well. Hopefully the right changes are made to make this map fun for everyone.

Finally someone talking about this mess of a map

It reminds me of the way that the Texas Chainsaw Massacre game has the similar situation where the victims are the strongest when in the basement and chasing them down there is generally a waste of time.

The dungeon also has 3 hooks. One time it had 2 for me. I couldn't get a survivor to a hook and they'd wiggle and go right back to the same spot in the dungeon.

One exit gate is always by a portal. You just get that gate 99d. Everyone at risk stays in dungeon. Resets. Portal out. Everyone leaves at the gate 10m away

there's also like three or four completely invisbile trap locations downstairs for trapper

"We need more hooks in the basement." Scott Jund, 2024, on his desire to hook more than 4 survivors in the basement.

You didn't even mention how a bunch of killer powers are super bugged on the map or have awful interactions. Portals especially. Did you know if you stand directly under a Skull Merchant drone for a second, you get automatically hurt/claw-trapped? Well, guess what happens if there's one directly on a portal exit/entrance. Plus Trapper traps. And then there's Pinhead. Did you know that the box literally cannot spawn underground at all? Which fucks up all its spawning rules, and it can spawn literally right in front of him at the start of the game. Same goes for Pyramidhead's cages. You can cage them, and the cage might appear right in front of you.

I just wish there was more than 1 entrance to the dungeon that isn't a portal. It feels super weird to only be able to WALK inside the building is via a SINGLE staircase. The only other way in is to teleport in... So strange.

I keep getting killers who solely 3gen the downstairs once a survivor gets knocked down there, it's almost impossible to escape since they just camp the top of the stairs waiting for them

I do really love that map, most unique map in a while and the portals are so cool too, I hope they make more cool stuff like this because the portals actually make me feel like I can pressure the map as a weaker killer. That said I think 3-4 hooks in the dungeon. Portal cooldowns (only for survivors ~30-60s) should be applied. Maybe add an extra tile upstairs (can be any kind of tile). Make 3-4 gens spawn either upstairs or in the dungeon (in lieu of just 3 always in the basement) Lastly the exit gate spread needs to be fully fixed.

I would love if they moved one of the exit gates downstairs, like a dungeon escape of some sorts. That would be awesome IMO

1 simple Solution. Do the same as with RPD. Give the map 3-4 different iterations where the map is cut in half. 1 with less ground on the top side but more on the dungeon 2 with blocked areas in the dungeon and more space on top 3 Both stages have certain loops and corridors blocked 4 Dungeon has majority of corridors blocked and mostly 2-3 accessible loops with 1 pallet each. And so on.

My first game on the live version was a Skull Merchant who held a 3 gen immediately on the top of the map and it was one of if not the most impossible 3 gens I have ever had to attempt to break, and it really ruined this map for me. I also played a Nurse match where I was killer and it was super oppressive with how easy it was to pressure survivors. I also agree with Scott on making more varied exit gates. I think an exit gate where the beholder is hidden would be cool where you can "escape" by being grabbed by the beholder - which would be incredibly funny. Also MORE RUIN HOOKS PLEASEEEEEE

Nurse on this map also has major problems because she can just blink from level to level and not take nearly the same amount of time survivors do to get from level to level. I know this exists on maps like the Gideon meat plant but this is even more extreme

I got this map 6 times in a row last night with 0 map offerings. I hate this map as killer

Theres a pallet thst can spawn upstairs between trees that the killer can walk next to after its dropped

There are a couple of placing on Vecna's map that are effectively traps for survivors. The biggest offender being that double pallet room across from the Beholder. Once you enter this room the only way you escape without getting hit at least once is if the killer makes a massive blunder, and even if you *do* manage to escape that room there simply aren't any nearby resources for you to consistently be able to reach without getting someone to take a hit for you (which is unreliable at the best of times in solo Q). You might be able to waste a few seconds in that room but that is assuming the pallets are even still there, if you find yourself in chase in that room and the pallets are already thrown, or even just outright destroyed already, your SoL. Side note: Not sure what your talking about with the i-frames. In my experience my hitbox seems to persist at the entrance portal all the way until my character is shown coming out of the other side of the portal. Multiple times I have been downed halfway through the portal and end up still teleporting.

There’s also a ton of bugs on the map. When you spectate as survivor you get a fixed position on the castle portal that randomly looks around and there is a bugged pallet that spawns in a corner opposite shack that doesn’t even connect to a second object, it free floats and you can simply walk right around it. Map is trash

small map, bottom of map is insta loss to loop as killer, portal is an infinite, doors right next to each other. Not to mention the fact I've run into countless bugs with vaults and bad pallet bugs

To summarize Scott’s channel in one sentence: to make sense of something that don’t even make sense to the person that created it in the first place.

that Chris in your clip jesus this is the guy we all meet in soloQ

The worst part of this is if they fix the problem with downstairs but leave upstairs the way it is, this will be one of the most Killer sided maps in the game with getting out being a rarity. In its current iteration, as Scott is saying, the Killer should just play upstairs as they're far more likely to win that way as there is really no reason for them to ever go down there. They really should fix the infinite portal and low number of hooks in the basement but if they solve those issues without resolving the upstairs problem of 4 gens, close and easy to see gates and absolutely fuckin terrible pallets lmao this map will be borderline unwinnable as Survivor. I love the aesthetic of this map as it's really unique and jives well with the games style, but really that's as much as can say besides having some fun with portal crouch tech's. BHVR needs to overhaul this map and stop with the random cluttered pallet spawns as it doesn't suit this space at all.

They need to change the color of this map too. Probably not the red it used to be but I can’t see ANYTHING with the new lighting. Might just be me, but I Need something brighter so I can at least see where I’m going.

I know already that if I go to this map as a survivor, I immediatelly lost the match. Hatch always spawns upstairs. Downstairs needs to be bigger and be across the entire map and gens need to be spread across the entire map because killers have a solid 5 gen. If you face a Wesker with Jolt, he will be able to to hit EVERY SINGLE GEN ON THE MAP EVERYTIME! He doesn't even need Distressing. I don't even want to imagine a skill check Doctor. Or the downstairs part needs to face the other direction, like, instead of it going right under the map, it should face in the way of where the current basement is.

Just got this map with 4 hooks downstairs and 3 of them were scourge hooks LOL, doesn't change the fact that this map has problems overall, but I did want to confirm that more than 2 hooks can spawn downstairs.

I mean, I kind of guess what they wanted to go for, like the whole idea of outside is a normal DBD map, but inside is this magical realm of magic and mystery, but i think if they just made it an indoor map with outdoor elements like RPD instead of a attempt fusion of both it would have gotten a better result. Instead, they made a worse where Midwich no one has fun. Surprisingly strong Dredge map, however

It would play a lot better if there were more accessible stairs and side drop down holes like Temple of purgation main building

There's like 5 or 6 pallets downstairs and 1 or 2 are bad. There's like 6-8 pallets upstairs and 3 or 4 are bad. The exit gates are bad. Downstairs can be strong, portals can be strong but neither downstairs or portals are broken

You’re supposed to be too busy clapping like a trained seal at all the references to notice things like that

That noogs person just running to another gen instead of saving Scott really is a DBD moment of all time.

I kid u not i got so confused downstairs that i managed to leave b4 finding any gens down there. I took the stairs down and somehow found them again while looking for a gen. The upstairs pallets r crap massive dead zone in the center sometimes

Hey Scott. You’re welcome for watching :)

On ptb the first game I played was against bots on this map, and oh boy did they make it obvious how bad downstairs is for killer very quickly.

As killer the strat is to let the survivors complete all the gens underneath so they have to be around the weaker gens up top.

One thing they could do to help somewhat is to just make it so survivors aren't invunerable as soon as they touch the portal. Literally they can still be walking through it but it doesn't matter, they're gone as soon as they start the animation. Fix that and it's not such a get out of jail free card.

You can grab someone out of portal similar to window vault.

This is the only map where it's literally too dark to actually play on, with fog it's basically impossible to see anything. Before anyone says "just turn up your monitor brightness" I don't want to do that just for this one map

The dungeon has only two entrances and the killer can see both of the entrances. If stood correctly. So not only does downstairs have a good 3 gen where all gens can be easily patrolled the two entrances to the great 3gen can both be seen easily. I've barely gone upstairs because playing as vecna I liked to only stay in the dungeon and never leave it only attacking people who enter because I found it fun and immersive to pretend I'm guarding my dungeon. But the downstairs is actually really good. The 3 gen and limited guard able entrances means even if they do all 4 gens upstairs I can still get a 4k without ever leaving the dungeon. And when I had a actual game not just guarding the dungeon I found that the dungeon won me the game by guarding the 3 gen a little but mostly by being able to injure anyone who enters the dungeon almost instantly because the portal and staircase are roughly 5-10 meters away from each other. I think they should have stuck to a full dungeon map instead of half and half. Or maybe have a midwich/lerys inspired layout where it's 80-90% indoors/underground but a little outdoors Area. The dungeon should be the same size as the upstairs and the main entrance thing to the downstairs should take up half the upstairs and the whole map should be made smaller to accommodate for the dungeon being bigger. On each half of the upstairs building there should be a staircase leading to the dungeon so there's two physical entrances to the dungeon aswell as a portal so you can't just camp the entrances and not let anyone in. The gens can then be spread out more downstairs and upstairs with 3 in a obtuse V shape spread as far and equal as possible downstairs to stop the 3 gen and then 4 upstairs spread as best as possible to reduce 3 gens. Maybe two inside two outside or 1 inside 3 outside. The dungeon would be bigger and I think it needs more spacious areas. Maybe double the size of vecnas room/study add more onto the beholders torture room stuff like that to really make it feel bigger and make it more inviting and fun for ranged killers who need the space to make good shots while also giving better space for pallets and to loop. Visually the dungeon is stunning I just with there was more to it and bigger spaces to really take in and be enchanted by. I also LOVE the basement placement. If the basement isn't in shack then it has it's own little entrance not part of an actual building and I love it. It gets its own little structure entrance just in it's little area and to my knowledge that isn't done on any other maps. There either in shack or in a building like Billy's maps it's either in the house in the slaughter house or in shack. Or in rpd it's in the station but for this map its just outside chilling in the open no shack not in a building just part of the bare map.

This map really limits what possible for both sides. Survivors could use boil over, break out for down stairs but wouldnt last if they have to go upstairs at somepoint. They don't have many safe tiles upstairs if the killer rather zone gens vs down the survivor. Bet trapper would be really good on this map XD

My first killer today was a Knight 3gen the outside new map and try to do anything to get them to go for me and would not go for me. My randoms did the castle gens only then were hidden. I saw the Knight not even looking for them. Just looking around the outside gens. So I took my 60 second DC and move on. Also the exits so close with one another with Shack. lol only took 1 week for others to do and see this. Great

5:45 Also tell the devs about hook placements and putting scourge hooks on all four corners of the damn map.

Let the portals go both ways. Opens up more options for people to get Around and removes the two entrance points from being inches from each other.

can we talk about how that killer hit you from a good 5 meters away. Damn.

We have Hawkin’s. They can definitely add a gate downstairs

a few days ago i was sacrificed in basement (that was my first hook) coz none of my soloq teammates didnt know where the entrance is 💀

One of the portals that goes out needs to have its direction reversed, killers need to not have delay in portal usage at all considering how the mechanics work for killer, underground needs more hooks, double pallets need to go, out of bounds exploit needs fixing, gates need changed, downstairs loops need nerfs, pointless double pallet room needs changed or removed, portal on back of tower needs to not tele survivors into the strongest loop in map immediately If the map is changed like this it can be rebalanced around chaining upstairs and downstairs while still leaving some strategy for both sides on generator completion order Its not just "survivor side if killer then" you just walk off the map from the portal exit loop and never take hits, its not just another hard multifloor maps its impossible as killer with basic knowledge of the exploits. No built in tele should ever place a survivor immediately inside a loop, that is a clear indicator BHVR does not ever test killer playability.

The portals are very problematic. I had once a survivor who did infinitive, becz of the cooldown

I agree with most of things you said but somethings you forgot to mention or are wrong about is saying its free chaining portals. You know the lack of pallets up stairs so running from one portal to the other will 100 percent take a hit unless you use a pallet or greed it which means it can only happen once or twice. ALSO the gen behind the castle or ruin has ZERO pallets. It is a complete DEAD ZONE. working on that gen is a death trap. Also the brand new floating god pallet.