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This Will Change Your Perspective About Honda st1300 Pan European

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THe Honda st1300 is perhaps one of the most undervalued sport touring machines out there. Imagine for 2-3k you can get one of these with about 50k miles. And that is a baby for a Pan european. THis bike costs almost as much as a used Ninja 250 and you get 1300cc of power, a shaft drive and day long comfort.

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@terrencewalker9468
@terrencewalker9468 Жыл бұрын
I work for a police department and I am lucky enough to be assigned the only ST1300 in our force. I absolutely love this bike. It is one of the best bikes I have ever ridden and I feel too confident on it. I really wish Honda continued making these because I would love to buy one for myself.
@VehicleHunter
@VehicleHunter Жыл бұрын
Hey there Terrence. What other bikes do you have in the department?
@terrencewalker9468
@terrencewalker9468 Жыл бұрын
@@VehicleHunter We also have two Kawasaki Vulcans and a hand full of Kawasaki KZ1000s but they are going away.
@respect9461
@respect9461 Жыл бұрын
No BMw
@PanRider939
@PanRider939 Жыл бұрын
Put your name down to buy it when it’s replaced.
@r.williamcomm7693
@r.williamcomm7693 Жыл бұрын
That has to be a great experience & very rewarding. It’s sad that corporate media & some elites led the charge against police a couple of years ago. As a rider myself it’s my opinion that a lot lot of ppl picked up horrible driving habits during the Covid shutdowns. Some drivers in my area are now exceeding 70 mph on roads inside the city where the speed limit is 35-45. There’s now fatal car accidents inside the city from ppl driving ridiculous speeds & many times it’s the innocent drivers or their passengers who get killed. A few months ago there was a crash where a man driving approximately 90-94 mph in a sport utility vehicle made in the mid 1990s practically crashed through a vehicle sitting at a red light killing the driver, a grandmother, along with her 4 year old grandson. Thank you for what you do. We all know the difference between a driver who made a small mistake & one who drives like he or she doesn’t care if they hurt innocent ppl. I hope that your PD supports you in every way in doing whatever it takes to make drivers think about the risks to other ppl when they’re behind the wheel. 👍
@47funnix
@47funnix Жыл бұрын
Great review. What a great practical and adult assessment! The bike is so good and your review so authentic and true, this has moved me to write my first KZfaq comment!! My wife and I used ST’s on a daily all year round basis for 20+ years and are totally smitten by them. Agree fully with your comments. We have had six ST’s and I have ridden well over half a million miles on them with utter reliability. Until you really use one, you won’t get it. Our first was a 1990 ST1100, I agree with your comments about deceptive speed. Clean licence for 27 yrs at the time but in 9 mths I had collected 9 points on my licence without riding fast or carelessly. 30mph was a problem. Next two were 1100’s too and just as brilliant. But using all year round (including in snow on 60 mile late journeys home from work) the radiator steelwork and silencers could suffer nasty corrosion. The other 300,000+ miles on ST1300’s didn’t have the same corrosion problems at all. I never got less than 52mpg, even two up and loaded with luggage. 330-350 miles on a full tank was always possible; this fuel range was so so important to minimise stopping so I could get home quickly after a long day. No other bike has such brilliant luggage carrying design; the new Goldwing (we have one) doesn’t come remotely close, despite being touted as a tourer. A significant issue not mentioned in the video is the incredible crash protection given to the rider and pillion by the saddle bags and crash protection bars and that peerless transverse V4 engine. I twice experienced being hit full on the side by cars coming out of side turnings: one a Jaguar XJ6 driver who actually stopped at his stop sign, looked at me as I approached along the main road & then pulled out straight into my side. The 2nd time in London when a car raced out of a side turning again straight into the side of the bike. On both occasions the side pannier absorbed the impact and shattered with me being thrown up the road but completely uninjured. The first one (ST1100) was a write off. This experience led me to never riding the bike without the panniers fitted. We still have our last ST1300 bought new in 2007 with a mere 120,000+ miles on it. We retired 12 yrs ago and the old girl is a keeper. It sits in the garage with our other machinery. It has taken us on an amazing 3500 miles European tour, from UK down through rural France ( no motorways!) to Monaco to watch F1 GP, then across Italy to do the Stelvio Pass on the first day of opening after the winter; snow banks everywhere - utterly amazing road; spectacular, then the Furka Pass; also brilliant and back home via Germany. The bike was breathtaking faultless. Riding the ST1300 can be all things to you; Real world fast, utterly relaxed long legged long distance super tourer, long distance real comfort for rider and pillion, reliable daily commute. Getting on the ST early in the morning for the 90mile ride to work and back on again for the 90 miles to come home after a long day was like getting into a favourite old comfy chair and I always knew it would get us wherever we were going. I never get tired of the ride. Thanks for taking us down memory lane.
@FEETLE
@FEETLE Жыл бұрын
thank you for your elaboration!.
@motardsquid
@motardsquid Жыл бұрын
Great to hear from you. I never thought about crash protection but it is true. I've had to pick up my last st1300 from the ground and it was relatively unscratched due to the panniers the front crash bars taking the damage. Ify ou pick up this bike from the ground is also not very bad because it does not lean all the way parallel to the ground. Thanks again and Enjoy your st1300
@47funnix
@47funnix Жыл бұрын
@@motardsquid Thank you for reading our comments which were too long! Just to add, we bought a new Goldwing last year intending to drive around the Uk coast on it. Yes it has lots of electronic gizmos and is comfy on a good open road, but it’s not a patch on the ST1300 for luggage capacity and versatility (despite what you may read the Goldwing is extremely poor and hugely limiting in this respect (can’t even stand an A4 file or a bottle of milk up in the panniers which are far smaller than the Pan and a ridiculous shape taboos. The Pan is also far more fleet of foot than the Goldwing and has a 50% better tank range. Written from experience of currently owning both. The ST1300 remains a truly great bike in our experience. 👍
@philipriggall5271
@philipriggall5271 10 ай бұрын
Great information, thanks. I am in Falmouth UK, and travelling nearly 400 miles next week to pick up my first ST1300. Can't wait for the ride home!
@47funnix
@47funnix 10 ай бұрын
You will get to love it!, it’s a genuine all year round bike. It may seem heavy when you first get on but the weight completely dissolves the moment your feet leave the ground. Got to get ours back on the road!@@philipriggall5271
@fuzzy883
@fuzzy883 Жыл бұрын
Good honest review. I do have an 03. It's in perfect shape with 150,000 km on it. I have had it up to 124 m/hr without any issues, but I did refill the rear shock reservoir and then stiffened up the shocks. Most ST riders don't realize that the rear shock reservior needs to be refilled occasionally; they think they have stiffened up the rear suspension but they are just pushing air into the shock. After refilling mine and stiffening up the rear, the handling improved incredibly .... the bike leaned way easier and took virtually no counter steering to move it around. I would guess that between the Goldwing and ST1300, they likely hold top spot for long lived bikes. You see both for sale with 300,000 km on them; and still running just fine. I agree with you, the ST1300 is one of the best "forever" cheap bikes.
@stevesmith756
@stevesmith756 9 ай бұрын
We used them as our duty bikes in our department from 05-2016. AWSOME bikes. No wobble at all and we ran them at 120 mph fully loaded all the time. Super stable. They governed ours at 120. Super reliable and comfortable. You just have to get bar risers. Had 150k miles of hard riding 👍
@kimhorton6109
@kimhorton6109 Жыл бұрын
I got a 2003 ST1300 used with 40k and traded it in for a 2009 model that was new. Loved the red color on the 09. I eventually put 89K on that second bike. I always carried a huge GIVI trunk on back and I never saw the high speed wobble on either. One thing I did with both bikes was to take it in every 2nd year for a complete fluid replacement. I also replaced the Honda rear shock with a Progressive unit. This platform, especially with the fairing deflection kit, was really good at rain and wind protection. The saddle bags are huge making it a great tourer. Care should be taken at stop signs. A hurried takeoff will give you a wheelie. I was surprised more than once. Eventually I aged out of the bike at 70 and traded it for a 2015 Goldwing 40th Anniversary Ediition. The ST1300 was just a little too heavy for my shortish, aged legs. My Goldwing has been on the road since 2016 and at 83k, just keeps getting better.
@motoholyness8795
@motoholyness8795 Жыл бұрын
630 vs 900+ pounds. does the wing balance better?
@kimhorton6109
@kimhorton6109 Жыл бұрын
@@motoholyness8795 it Carrie’s it’s weight low. In the 2018+ bikes are also shorter. The ST1300 has a v4 and the gas tank you see, the part that isn’t hollow Carrie’s about 1 1/2 gallon at the top. The GW has a tank that’s mostly just a bit above the engine. It’s 5.4 gallons is all lower than the 7 gallon tank on the St1300. You can feel the difference immediately.
@Bob-Is-A-PotterNow
@Bob-Is-A-PotterNow 6 ай бұрын
Had the wheelie experience a couple of times 1st - 2nd can be a bit too exciting!
@pentachronic
@pentachronic Ай бұрын
Defo familiar with the front end getting light. You get to enjoy it! 😂
@hojo70
@hojo70 Жыл бұрын
I've had my 07 now for about 12 years. The 100 to 140 mph range is rock solid, I've never felt any instability at all, it just hunkers down and hugs the road. I've owned a lot of bikes but this one is hands down my favorite and thus can't bring myself to sell it.
@savagejabbit5929
@savagejabbit5929 Жыл бұрын
Is this bike fuel injection or carbs🤔thanks 🏍️🏍️
@bwanasid
@bwanasid Жыл бұрын
Fuel injection.
@The_Touring_Jedi
@The_Touring_Jedi Жыл бұрын
​@@savagejabbit5929 It's fuel injection and pretty reliable one. Carbs are on the older ST1100 model.
@todd5052
@todd5052 Жыл бұрын
How many clicks in are you running on the preload adjuster on your 07?
@flexjay87
@flexjay87 Жыл бұрын
I had a St 1100 for several years, then looked at a 1300, but liked the 1100 better, so i bought another one, and its got a lot less miles and runs fantastic. I like the fairing on the 1300 better in regards to looks, and i would like to have the 1300 power, but its not necessary, and i say that after owning a '85 Honda Sabre V-65 1100 cc V-4 for many years and kept it even after i bought my first ST. I do miss the sheer fun factor of the Sabre power, but my ST is so smooth with wind protection, so its still a win. Love all my Honda brethren though, and been riding a Honda since the '70's :)
@richsuga
@richsuga Жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2010 st1300. My old bike (for 8 years) was a Suzuki Vstrom 650. Believe it or not, the ST handles significantly better at low speeds, despite its mass. It's a mystery to me, but I truly enjoy it!
@brendanchapman3
@brendanchapman3 Жыл бұрын
I have a versys 650 and bought one of these as well and felt exactly the same! Such a nice riding bike
@hair2050
@hair2050 Жыл бұрын
Interesting. I’ve owned the VStrom 650 for a week now, first bike for 35 years and first non dirt-bike, so I have no reference points at all for such a bike. But I do not find low speed on it easy. I wouldn’t say difficult either. At any other legal speed, above a fast walk is it lovely however. I don’t want to own a bike bike but due to your comments I am curious so would have a ride if the opportunity arose.
@83FB7
@83FB7 Жыл бұрын
I have an ‘06 ST1300 and recently acquired an ‘09 V-Strom 1000 and I have to agree. The maneuverability even from the ST1100(which I also owned) to the ST1300 is significant.
@michaelfraser5723
@michaelfraser5723 Жыл бұрын
but when it stops, BOOM, the weight is crushing and heart testing
@richsuga
@richsuga Жыл бұрын
@@michaelfraser5723 Indeed. One has to be ready for that and practice good progressive braking!
@pdx650
@pdx650 Жыл бұрын
I bought my '07 ST 1300 this past August and put 2k miles on it in 6 weeks riding locally. I put another 140 on it today, New Years' Day, on a Polar Bear ride. It was a dry day out here in Oregon. I love my ST and my '98 VFR.
@r12rtpilot
@r12rtpilot Жыл бұрын
Hey guy, do you still have your ST? I'm thinking of selliing my R1200 GSA and buying one of these. I lke the lower height, the gas mileage and the overall comfort. Am I insane to swap over? Steve in Newport
@motoholyness8795
@motoholyness8795 Жыл бұрын
03 st and 99 vfr here
@moshealex
@moshealex Жыл бұрын
Own this bike and love it. Have 2012 with 120,000 km on it. No any isues. Works very well and need only regular maintience and tire changing. Well keep it forever. Thank you for awesome review. Agree with all what you said. Ride safe, bud.
@PanRider939
@PanRider939 Жыл бұрын
I’m in a bike group in New Zealand. At one point five of us were riding pans, four still do. These are a rock solid all around touring bike. Missing cruise control, heated grips and USB power but at the price point nothing you can’t easily add.
@VehicleHunter
@VehicleHunter Жыл бұрын
One of the best and most reliable bikes out there
@patrickmalone9380
@patrickmalone9380 Жыл бұрын
Might see u around just got st 1100 myself pn based
@Glyder1959
@Glyder1959 Жыл бұрын
I bought a 2006 two years ago with under 6000 miles on it. Love this bike. Tour on it all the time.
@gregc9638
@gregc9638 Жыл бұрын
I've got a 2007 ST1300 since new. Now over 162,xxx miles. Always get avg. 44-48 mpg. You must really flog it. My bike has always been stable with no weave. Nice review. The bike was way ahead of it's time. I added aftermarket cruise and love it. The design has stood the test of time for sure.
@VehicleHunter
@VehicleHunter Жыл бұрын
Thats some crazy miles. Congratulations.
@FEETLE
@FEETLE Жыл бұрын
wow you've put car milage.
@Bob-Is-A-PotterNow
@Bob-Is-A-PotterNow 6 ай бұрын
Lost my '05 in a California Wildfire at 172,000 miles. I was looking forward to seeing what the odometer would do when I hit 200,000... I counted on the same gas mileage you got when I did long rides. On a trip to Alaska via the Yukon from the Napa valley, I put a pair of 2-1/2 gal. jerry cans in the bags, which gave a range of over 500 miles.🤩
@yoursacredquest
@yoursacredquest Жыл бұрын
I have a 2003, I've owned it since 2006, love it. No issues.
@gregmccall8553
@gregmccall8553 Жыл бұрын
Had my 04 for 14 years and it was a very good bike. I would have bought another, but Honda discontinued. This was a right sized tourer for many people. Honda, I think hoped to push many into the Gold Wing but those buyers probably moved to a Yamaha FJR, BMW RT or similar. In the end the Gold Wing lost storage space and weight to make it more manageable and was priced considerably more than the ST. Granted it offered far more options. There was only one thing I wish the ST had and that was factory cruise control. It will certainly probably go down as the greatest most reliable bike I ever owned!
@VehicleHunter
@VehicleHunter Жыл бұрын
Cruise control is something i always hear it needs about the ST. Very true. Forgot to mention this one has a throttle locker type of cruise control. My old st1100 had aftermarket electric cruise
@penaj58
@penaj58 Жыл бұрын
I wish Honda would bring back the ST. I own a 2005 and absolutely love it.
@cibsim
@cibsim Жыл бұрын
I just love my Honda ST1300 ABS 2004. Very fast and excellent for long trips.
@bocfat
@bocfat 3 ай бұрын
You put a lot of effort in this video all the editing to get that power on sound is what we love of course. It's a great bike. Some of the nicest things are the air cocoon keeps you warm the downside is the hot air in the summer but in colder weather its toasty. Linear power is predictable and you can chug it but still roll power on gently and it will get back to the torque making this an easy machine to ride. The windscreen is adjustable, big plus. The saddlebags are bigger than the 2018+ Goldwings! Styling is still modern and beautiful. Reliability.
@AdventureGlide
@AdventureGlide Жыл бұрын
I'm really liking this bike. Thanks for sharing with us.
@yaitsred
@yaitsred Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. FYI the 1100 is longer than the 1300, the 1300 being a touch more nimbler and faster. The crash bars protecting the panniers are adapted from the GoldWing. I believe this bike has been modified with LED headlights as well as the turn signal lenses are aftermarket. What will make this an even better bike, is adding a cruise control, this will save you many dollars on performance awards. (McCruise from Australia is the best plug and play unit to accomplish this). I’m told the “RaceTech” suspension transforms the ST 1300 and for that matter the 1100 into a phenomenal handling machine. I will agree it is one of the best value for money and grin on your face performance bikes out there.
@hair2050
@hair2050 Жыл бұрын
You saved me a google search. So they are in Australia. Interesting. Lovely bike but I’d be paranoid about dropping it with all that beautiful bodywork 😬
@83FB7
@83FB7 Жыл бұрын
@@hair2050 The side crash bars do a surprisingly good job of protecting the bodywork as well as the engine
@5280Roadrunner
@5280Roadrunner Жыл бұрын
Had a 2005 for a couple of years. Only thing I wasn’t a fan of was an excessive heat issue, especially above 85 degrees. It’s not as refined as some of todays bikes but still a good motorcycle.
@tapx6754
@tapx6754 Жыл бұрын
Pan weave/wobble is not limited to -03 model. My -08 has it. 1 up, screen down, top box and 180+ km/h (110+ mph) - serious wobble, hard to gain control. Good to know if your planning touring on autobahn. You never know if yours has it without trying, but I don't recommend trying.. Even with this in mind it is a fantastic touring bike. Check MCN review.
@The_Touring_Jedi
@The_Touring_Jedi Жыл бұрын
Upgrade rear shock and front springs should solve the problem. Mine had Wilbers and it did excellent. On the other hand ST1100 was like train on the tracks at 200kmh on German Autobahn...no issue even with strong cross winds.
@tonnaboy1
@tonnaboy1 4 ай бұрын
I had the ST 1100, words cannot describe the wonderful feeling of riding it. I had to give it up because I was doing 138 mph too often and valued my licence more, I do miss that bike, just one thing, when you stop, a lean either way of more than two degrees saw the bike on it's side, a killer to put back up😊
@The1958Voice
@The1958Voice Жыл бұрын
I owned an ST1100 and a ST1300. Both of them were 'old' when I purchased them. I preferred the looks of the 1100, but with a four-carb setup the synch was a bit problematic. The 1300 took care of this issue with fuel injection. Both bikes had fantastic handling and made me feel like one with the machine. I didn't ride above 100 mph and almost never used the rear Givi trunks (I thought they destroyed the look of the bike), but wobble was never an issue. And what smooth and effortless power delivery. I am currently riding a BMW R1100RS and a 650 V-strom. These are good-handling motorcycles, but nothing I have ridden compared with the feel of the ST series motorcycles. Would recommend without hesitation, but plan on doing the servicing yourself. Seems like most Honda shops did not want to touch the ST100, and charged too much money for minor servicing on the ST1300.
@paulh7589
@paulh7589 Жыл бұрын
I like your comment but I found one flaw...You expect me to believe you never rode it above 100mph? I ask this with a knowing smile. Please don't be offended, I'm just poking a little good natured fun at you!
@The1958Voice
@The1958Voice Жыл бұрын
@@paulh7589 Not to worry. I am slightly des lexic. I may have glanced down once or twice and seen 012 on the speedo. Or was it 120? or maybe 210? Who can really know?
@paulh7589
@paulh7589 Жыл бұрын
@@The1958Voice I figured it was something like that. Even though you were covering a football field in less than a second, your heart was in the right place. Nobody can fault you for that. I understand what living with a disorder is like. I'm actually a Lesbian trapped in a Man's body, I love Women, can't get enough of them.
@dansmith6508
@dansmith6508 Жыл бұрын
Did you notice any difference in the throttle response? Some say the 1300 has an on or off throttle, where the 1100 has a smoother throttle? I'm on an 1100 now and considering a 1300, but dont want that feel of that jerky throttle. Cheers.
@Old_Man_Brian
@Old_Man_Brian 11 ай бұрын
I have had my 2005 for over 6 years. What a great bike! I have put on almost 45,000 miles, mostly commuting and splitting lanes (California).
@AlfredMoi
@AlfredMoi Жыл бұрын
In addition to "second fuel tank:" this is a smaller compartment that does not take down much of the weight. It contains the fuel pump and I suppose it is a barrier for heat because the fuel pressure is a constant one and has a reverse line! The second tank enables the reserve indicator to go on at exactly the right time, unlike bikes I had earlier. The dash starts counting the miles you have left in reverse, when the real fuel tank is dry. One also knows, at that point, that new fuel is not going to be mixed with the older. It contains 5 of the 29 liters. Fuel consumption is 1 liter on 19,8 km officially and realistic. When you don't replace shocks then it gets difficult enough putting the ST on its center stand. The bike is too heavy for noobs to even consider. In riding I noticed the gearing did not allow the fast take-off's that we see on KZfaq (0 to 100 km/hr in 3,5 sec officially). Even though no refs do ever seem high when you reach them. Police bikes may have had different gearing and those have been one model year. The sound can be a soft whistle but resembles more a twin engine just another moment. Clutch lever is inconsistent with the function and that makes a turn difficult. I feel not being able to get much tired and that is strange because the seat seems to be pushing you unreasonably forward. One tip. You can buy covers that are put in place of the bags. I bought a battery cover lately, for a later then 2004 model but I had to use elbow grease mounting it stable on the bike. My steer right bar end turned out to be a cruse control. Try turning yours around backwards a lot, until it blocks the grip. Please do watch my channel AlfredMoi for some ride video's.
@zaks9919
@zaks9919 11 ай бұрын
Got a 2006 & love it .One of the best features never mentioned is when it rains I can lower the windscreen & without getting the rest of me wet it immediately clears the water off , even in downpours that have cars pulling off the highway for lack of vision. I'm just over 6ft & was impressed when I could actually see better than they could ! The fairing is very well thought out & designed Being cold is something you won't experience ,& being too warm ? ,just lower the wind screen &/or buy the pegs shown in this video.
@pentachronic
@pentachronic Ай бұрын
The problem when it rains is you have to keep moving or you’ll get wet!
@rodneybarcus2233
@rodneybarcus2233 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video. I had one a couple of years newer than yours and like an idiot I traded it for something else. Last year I tried to find another one for months with no luck. Eventually I found a 2007 fjr 1300. What you said about the bags works for me because I don't use them I have another motorcycle for that. Both the st and fjr are forever bikes and hard to find at least in my area.
@STIjojoSTI
@STIjojoSTI Жыл бұрын
Hope they make one of these for those who dont want a too big goldwing.
@johnscott5662
@johnscott5662 11 ай бұрын
This is a thorough review. Great information. Thanks.
@montlejohnbojangles8937
@montlejohnbojangles8937 Жыл бұрын
Had an 1100, now have a 1300. I've never really needed anything more out of a motorcycle.
@The_Touring_Jedi
@The_Touring_Jedi Жыл бұрын
If only RT1200 could have that reliability. Ergonomics of RT fits me better and weather protection is also better. ST1300 is almost like a monster big scooter...the seat is that low. My knees were hurting badly with ST1300 not that much with ST1100.
@robertparisi8016
@robertparisi8016 Жыл бұрын
My 2 cents: owned a st1100 and st 1300, plenty of power, they are heavy! Very maneuverable but heavy, a tad high for us short guys even with the seat in the lowest position, they do wine, some like it, some don't, shaft drive and electronic windshield are awesome, needs to have 6th gr, brakes are awesome, definitely the pick of the litter if your looking at kawi concour, moto guzzi norge, yamaha bla, bla, bla, there all old and backdated but if you don't want to accept new technology, the honda is your ride, plenty of them out there for cheap money, there easy to maintain and very dependable, definitely a high mileage bike if it's taken care of.
@user-kt8yd6we4e
@user-kt8yd6we4e Ай бұрын
Still popular with riders. Lots of agencies did use them, but they discontinued the line. Great review, as I didn't know about that one year transition Bike.
@facehugger2497
@facehugger2497 Жыл бұрын
Overall a good review of the st 1300 however during a lapse of concentration I exceeded 100 mph and did not experience any sort of weave from my 2003 model in Britain the general consensus was that the weave was down to the amount and distribution of heavy equipment on the police bike .
@cyclingsfatsuma9808
@cyclingsfatsuma9808 Жыл бұрын
I get a bit of instability with my 05 with the screen raised and the rear top box on. But hard to know if it is due to cross winds or changed laminar flow or a a bit of both. But I've not quite cracked 100mph on it so maybe not hit the zone
@mybikegarage1040
@mybikegarage1040 Жыл бұрын
Shame on Honda for under engineering the bike and creating a confidence that fails the rider when loaded within capacity ratings.
@luisantoniomaisonetespinos9585
@luisantoniomaisonetespinos9585 Жыл бұрын
The “weave” was caused by improper suspension sag settings and in some cases rear tire under inflation. It is a heavy machine so at least 40 psi is the norm and in some older bikes the hydraulic preload adjuster needs to be rebuilt and reset to achieve the proper sag adjustment.
@cibsim
@cibsim Жыл бұрын
@@mybikegarage1040 There was one accident in California. A police officer died. If I understand well, the bike was loaded with accessories and the weight was too much. My 2004 St 1300 can go up to 240 km per hour without any problem. Lower the windshield and remove the top box.
@mybikegarage1040
@mybikegarage1040 Жыл бұрын
@@cibsim Having owned Honda’s since 1978 some good some bad bikes. I find Honda’s today to be not up to modern standards. The ST1300 has been criticized for more than the weave. Putting too much heat placed on the rider, A heavy bike. Lacking in accessories to remain competitive, like heated grips, ABS, cruise control. While BMW and others are making quality modern bikes Honda falls further behind. Ever since Mr. Honda Passed away,the company has been less interested in Bikes and more focused on their cars. I see a day when Honda moves out of the big bike market.
@lorcanroche2987
@lorcanroche2987 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2004. No issues. Tyre pressure has to be right. Top box causes niggles at high speed with screen at full height. But handling is really good and fit and finish is top notch. Great bike. Yes I have a lighter faster machine in stable but that's not the point. Fjr too low and not as comfy for tall riders. Concours 1400 is probably the real king and has better brakes but St 1300 more refined if not as powerful. Hard to beat.
@luc1ferblack
@luc1ferblack 3 ай бұрын
I have this bike and its a beast it will wheelie on power. The panniers hold a xl full face each. The weight is great as it makes it super stable. The front tip bars prevent the panniers hitting the ground i have lost it on a corner and slid the bike with zero damage
@reimundboxhammer1447
@reimundboxhammer1447 Ай бұрын
Good review. I am going to by a ST and this video help me a lot to make a decision.
@carsyoungtimerfreak1149
@carsyoungtimerfreak1149 Жыл бұрын
Very good review, you are the first to explain the speed weave issue and that it was solved after 2004. After a long absence I started riding bikes again last year with an ST 1100. I love the looks of the ST 1100 and prefer it over all other tourers, including the ST 1300. Problem are parts, my ST 1100 is 33 years old, used every day all year round (excluding days with snow or black ice). Thinking about getting a ST 1300 or FJR... Or a VFR, I also bought a 4th gen VFR which is a lovely bike also...
@tapx6754
@tapx6754 Жыл бұрын
VFR is a great bike, faster and easier to handle than ST1300. But you will miss the wind protection and easier to your wrists riding position of the ST1300.
@timmaloy9009
@timmaloy9009 7 ай бұрын
Just got a o5 st1300.hope l
@cherniqhs
@cherniqhs Жыл бұрын
About the brakes it is a good idea to mention the fact that front and back a linked very nicely :)
@VehicleHunter
@VehicleHunter Жыл бұрын
Good point. Brakes are amazing. The linked braking on Hondas has always been great
@thomreid1055
@thomreid1055 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2006. Love it! At the cost of current sport-tourers, no need to get something else as long as I keep up the maintenance. It does get hot in the summer and it's a bit heavy. Those are the downfalls. Otherwise a great bike. Check your facts on the ABS breaks, though. Mine doesn't have ABS, but the front and rear are linked. I think ABS was introduced on the 2007 or 2008 model.
@andywiles7177
@andywiles7177 Жыл бұрын
Abs is on my 2003 A4
@woolywooly8690
@woolywooly8690 12 күн бұрын
I have an '03 did 155 mph never had a wobble. when I got mine I had one of 500 in the United States still have it to this day.
@loopertrooper6671
@loopertrooper6671 Жыл бұрын
I owned a 2004 ST1300. Here in the states, there was no Honda line top case option so I bought a Pan Euro top case in the matching blue. At any rate, only ever experienced the weave with the top case on the bike and at speed. This happened twice and both times, I was “making progress” on some back roads. I really miss the ST1300, it was literally the best and most competent motorcycle I have ever owned. I wish Honda would update the bike, give it more power and bring it back.
@vintagebikes4215
@vintagebikes4215 7 ай бұрын
Nice explanations, your enthusiasm for the bike shows.
@71boss39
@71boss39 Ай бұрын
Bought a beautful 02 ST 1100 this spring with only 3k miles on it.. One of the most stable comfortable bikes I've owned.. Heavy but don't notice it once moving. I find the 1100 has more leg room than the 1300 for me. Rock solid even at 100+ MPH..
@nomoreblahblah
@nomoreblahblah 18 күн бұрын
Good Review of the ST1300. They are on my list
@pentachronic
@pentachronic Ай бұрын
I will comment about cornering. This bike is great at cornering. If you’re doing technical work you can drop a gear and really lean over. Hang over the seat and you can get aggressive as you want from a sports bike standpoint and the weight just melts, you wouldn’t know it is a relatively heavy bike. However if you’e done with twisties, just back off and cruise slower lines. It is incredibly accommodating. Yes it looks slightly dated but remember, it’s a workhorse not a show piece!
@andrewheadland9341
@andrewheadland9341 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your review, I have one for the last 7 years it’s one the early ones 02 model, the last owner fitted the electric screen. I’ve put 60 thousand kilometres trouble free on it since I purchased it, the rear shock needs replacing as I was told it’s not worth servicing it. I’ve always serviced the bike myself every year or 5000 kms. Have been tempted to sell a few times but finding something that will do everything the same or better is hard unless I go for a goldwing. But I love the fuel range 500kms on premium fuel unless I really giving it some berries
@pentachronic
@pentachronic Ай бұрын
Have had the same thought about selling but there’s nothing remotely near it to replace it! Will eventually just add another to the stable since I’d like to have another toy!
@Bob-Is-A-PotterNow
@Bob-Is-A-PotterNow 6 ай бұрын
I had to put cruise control on the bike to save me from speeding tickets! As he notes, the sensation of speed disapears in a most unusual way. Cruising city streets pay close attention to speed! Out in the desert, have some fun! I had 172,000 miles on my '05 when it was melted to slag in a California Wine Country wildfire. I so miss that bike!
@kevindalemclaughlin3288
@kevindalemclaughlin3288 8 ай бұрын
An incredible touring machine, very smooth, corners to the pegs. Great fuel mileage, big tank allows me to tanker the sport bikes. I have ridden in all weather conditions, my elbows get damp, the rubber fairing deflectors , no longer made, make the bike. I looked for a suitable replacement, i would probably just buy a newer one. All my riding buddies have replaced their bikes every couple years, my 2007 ST is still with me. I still try to upshift to 6 though. Riders tell me the FJR is better, they’ve all moved on to different rides, my handle is LoST.
@noelbowerman1562
@noelbowerman1562 Ай бұрын
It's a beautiful bike ,smooth ,lineal power ,the only reason I sold mine ,is because I wanted to do dirt roads ,and as get older the weight ,was becoming an issue.
@Captain-kungfoo
@Captain-kungfoo Жыл бұрын
Excellent review I should have gotten this bike but in Ontario the insurance is significantly higher cost than my Bandit 1250.
@umakantgajjewar8898
@umakantgajjewar8898 Жыл бұрын
Very good review ! Thank you very much for this review, it helps me a lot !
@toddthepanamericanbrooks888
@toddthepanamericanbrooks888 Жыл бұрын
Great review! I want one of these, probably will buy one, own a 2009 HD Road Glide with built 107" engine, a 2001 Pan America S but this bike is what I'd ride from Dec. to March! I'm in Southern MD now but used to live in Germantown so that area is familiar to me. Thanks for the review!!
@pentachronic
@pentachronic Ай бұрын
For ~$4.5k you willget a phenomenal motorcycle. It really is a power house.
@cow7boy
@cow7boy Жыл бұрын
I put over 42,000 miles on my 2008 ST1300A before I sold it. Great bike overall but I always wished it had a 6th gear and around 20HP more.
@rjeepster8640
@rjeepster8640 Жыл бұрын
I just came across one on marketplace with 818,816 thousand miles!!! Looks like hell but still going!
@VehicleHunter
@VehicleHunter Жыл бұрын
WHAAAAAAAATTT?! incredible. what location?
@rjeepster8640
@rjeepster8640 Жыл бұрын
@@VehicleHunter There is also a 2004 for sale near me. It looks beautiful 87,000 miles they want 4000 for it.
@aussiebandit9317
@aussiebandit9317 4 ай бұрын
On my 2nd ST1300 and love it. Except for going offroad, it is the perfect Sport/Tourer.
@robertmacdonald2735
@robertmacdonald2735 Жыл бұрын
2005....bullet proof bike....linked brakes are phenomenal. Also....bike is heavy when trying to back it up...try not to park it down hill if you have to back it out...also...with the large gas tank always try to keep at least the lower tank full of fuel as the pump is there. I have seen a corroded encrusted pump....plus the pump will stay cooler emerged in fuel. Does put out a lot of heat which is good early spring late fall but can get hot in summer - you get used to it. V4 sounds more like a sewing machine...you get used to it.
@stevesmith756
@stevesmith756 9 ай бұрын
Yes they are much heavier than an FJR and BMW. I’ve had alll 3
@jwagner1993
@jwagner1993 Жыл бұрын
Love both: ST1300 and ST1100. Perfect bikes
@boostedlss6450
@boostedlss6450 Жыл бұрын
The "Pan Weave" was determined to be due to improper loading, as the police issue was stacked with lights radio etc and a good portion the weight was in the top box. In testing the weave could be induced but as far as I know Honda didnt make any relevent changes to the bike itself but instead revised loading instructions. Why Honda killed the ST is still a sore spot for many, but I think it was more due to the onset of the adventure segment. My '03 is still ridden year round, 110 k km, and it is surprisingly capable on the backroads, it sure surprised me, it's my first tourer.
@VehicleHunter
@VehicleHunter Жыл бұрын
If that was the case the weaving would not happen in empty st1300's like mine. I believe the reason that was the "official" reason was to put blame on the rider/police instead on Honda.
@Mrtweet81
@Mrtweet81 3 ай бұрын
Dang I always liked this bike, you definitely changed my mind
@Jodyrides
@Jodyrides Жыл бұрын
not everyone loves them. I thought I would. I showed up with all the cash the guy was asking for the bike. I found one with 22,000 miles on it, and many extras like a rack and trunk, radar detector, phone and GPS mounts, fresh tires, Sargent seat, just serviced with fresh oil and filter, fresh air filter, upgraded shock, fresh windshield OEM.. I told the seller I would not be right back. I told him I would be gone at least an hour. I left my motorcycle at his house. it was an 85° day. I was near Johnstown Pennsylvania, all back roads through farmland , Not very populated, not many stop signs or traffic lights.. about 10 minutes out I felt it. It felt like someone had a heat gun blasting air on both of my shins. Hot, HOT air.. I actually thought that the radiator was leaking hot water onto my legs or that I was getting oil on my shins that was hot.. that was not the source of the heat. The heat was normal operating temperature air coming through the radiator and bathing the riders legs and crotch in very uncomfortably hot air.. I am mediately turned around and headed back for the barn.. I pulled into the guysdriveway, and he came out of his garage smiling saying, that was a quick hour.. The first thing I said to him was, how can you ride this thing with all of that heat pouring all over you.. his smile went to a frown instantly because he realized that it was a dealbreaker.. then he said the magic words “ that’s why it’s for sale”
@Jonasegway
@Jonasegway Жыл бұрын
My question for you iss....... Why did you give up the silver wing for the ST1300? I went from a burgman 650 exec to my ST1300 because I live in the middle of the U.S. with that being said, to get to all of the cool areas of the U.S. I have to ride a minimum of 480-520miles. At 62-63mph in manual mode in OVERDRIVE I would get about 225-230miles below like 4000ft elevation. O....and it runs on regular so cost to run was very very cheap. Between my 56liter top case and that lovely 56liters under the seat I obviously had a whopping 112liters of storage and that's it I don't get another 40liter bag to strap over the passenger seat. Anyways, I would have never given up my burgman if it just had a taller gear. If I lived closer to the cool stuff, I for sure would still have it. I needed a GT style bike with at least 300mile range. Btw, the burgman over 4000-5000ft gave me 255-260miles with 3.5gallons (typically) out of the 4gallon fuel capacity. After aloot of careful research and pro and conning, I landed on the ST just for it's rainge alone. Now I get 340-350miles@75mph GPS speed and still typically gave 1.2-1.3gallons in the tank @1000&1200fy elevation. I could only imagine above 4000ft at like 65-70mph. I don't see any of the other sport tourers that I would be interested in getting that kind of range. Now the best thing about riding my ST is I stop when I want....not because I have to (@ needing fuel).
@prickly-pear
@prickly-pear 10 ай бұрын
Nice job on this review. I was surprised you rode it hard in winter, with that rear tire looking pretty old. 😊 One thing to note, resale value on all these sport touring bikes are pretty bad, not just the Honda. They tend to have high miles. It's true ST13's are more affordable now - I think it's because the bike was discontinued 10 years ago.
@luisantoniomaisonetespinos9585
@luisantoniomaisonetespinos9585 Жыл бұрын
Take note that the “ weave” was traced to improper rear suspension sag setting. It took almost all the preload adjustment jus to get close to the proper adjustment and the available rebound was not enough. I believe that Honda revised the spring rate and provided rebound to suite and the problem was resolved. I own a 2016 police package bike and do well over 100mph on my daily commute without issues. Racetech did have the “ weave fix “ for early models. Going on 97000 miles and still going strong! Anal
@quidestnunc9238
@quidestnunc9238 Жыл бұрын
High-Speed Wobble coupled with weighing more than 730 lbs. FJR1300 or, in my case, R1200RT (pre-shaft drive failure issues)
@zrexrich6118
@zrexrich6118 Жыл бұрын
Every time I hear a ST1300 I think of The Jetsons cartoon. It sounds like George Jetsons flying car 😂
@VehicleHunter
@VehicleHunter Жыл бұрын
I always think of that too when i hear it run. 😅
@stevesmith756
@stevesmith756 9 ай бұрын
Huntington Beach Honda was the top builders of the police models. I was fortunate enough to speak with the Japanese engineer who designed the engine on the ST1300. He came to America to see what the Americans were doing with the ST for police work. He said he designed the engine to last 200k miles easy
@muskokamike127
@muskokamike127 Жыл бұрын
I've been reading up and learning about the st lines. I'm looking for my next bike. I have a vstar 1100 custom cruiser now that I love but I'm just not comfortable on it after an hour or so. My neck and shoulders hurt and I feel like my short legs are against the forward pegs instead of resting on them. I'm looking to get into longer rides and just can't do it on the vstar. The 1100 is very typical of a mistake manufacturers make: they have a product that is adored by customers so they try to upgrade it and lose the plot along the way. It's the old adage: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Sure, maybe update the looks a bit, improve aerodynamics if you have to, update the look of the gauges but don't lose the things that made it a great bike.
@Johnclark300
@Johnclark300 11 ай бұрын
I rode one today, all I will say is WOW !!! THE POWER IS INCREDIBLE LIKE HAYABUSA POWERFUL
@vintagebikes4215
@vintagebikes4215 7 ай бұрын
(See 23:56 in video) Interesting comparison of ST1100 and ST1300, and I'd agree the 1300 is a tad sportier, where the 1100 was Mr. Creamy smooth with Power. BUT, the 1300 is a fine bike in its own right, and perhaps underestimated by folks scared of by high speed wobble issues- of zero import to most riders. I'd agree with your observation that the ST1300 did not fare so well with ST1100 riders who valued Mr. Creamy Smooth, Honda wanted to move the bike towards "sport" and did so. Both bikes are some of the finest motorcycles ever made.
@patthompson5298
@patthompson5298 Жыл бұрын
I'm really enjoyed your review . Only I have a few issues. I own the ST1300. It's a 2002 not the 2003 you mention . Mine has never wobbled in any way and your talking to an ex kawasaki ZZR1400 owner here . The ST1100 was not a better bike than the ST1300. I owned one and it was a dangerous bike . The alternator would give up without warming. To change it you have to split the bike in half and it doesn't end there . The swing arm on the 1100 would rot from the inside out . The ST1300 in my view is the better more reliable bike . I have owned my 1300 for 6 years now the only issue I had was the clutch slave cylinder seal leaks causing a loss of pressure at the lever. Mine has never wobbled I have studied it well . I do all my own maintenance to all of my bikes . I can not see why or how they wobbled. Anyway I enjoyed your review and thank you .
@pedroc6823
@pedroc6823 11 ай бұрын
Had one for a short period. In TX the heat was unbearable. if I was back in MA I probably would have kept it.
@nevraXmike
@nevraXmike 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for the honest truth about the 2003 wobble.
@MVW54
@MVW54 Жыл бұрын
Vehicle Hunter. What... a single seat ??? 13:23 The ST-1300 has always had a double seat! It is and remains a fantastic motorcycle. Thanks for your vids. Well done. 👍
@heretohear8662
@heretohear8662 Жыл бұрын
He must be referring to the fact that there are two separate areas for rider and passenger.
@stephenlane7951
@stephenlane7951 Жыл бұрын
Mine come from the factory with a single seat.
@AlfredMoi
@AlfredMoi Жыл бұрын
He preferred separate seats over -"a"- single seat. The rear seat can be changed for a smugglers box by the way but that is expensive. Watch my channel AlfredMoi.
@pentachronic
@pentachronic Ай бұрын
@@stephenlane7951 The factory for mine is a single (Rider and pillion in one) but after market you can get split seats. I got a corbin Seat + Smuggler for the passenger. Works well for a single rider and then if I need passenger space I put back the OEM seat.
@thomasduane6863
@thomasduane6863 Жыл бұрын
Best bike I ever owned. I did change the fork springs. Hurricane Sandy took it.
@brucebrentz476
@brucebrentz476 Жыл бұрын
Awesome review very well done. I love the blue truly a nice color. I have a 05 very smooth bike like you mentioned. I like your windshield. What kind is it ?
@Taking_Care_Of_The_Business
@Taking_Care_Of_The_Business Жыл бұрын
Great review. It's a shame to see that these type of bikes aren't appreciated these days and the three Japanese have stopped making them.
@ryankisiolek8741
@ryankisiolek8741 Жыл бұрын
I paid 8k for my 2012 with 27k miles. Don't regret it for a second. Great bike.
@az57man65
@az57man65 11 ай бұрын
Great review. Currently looking at a 2010 with low mileage.
@mercedesw211classic
@mercedesw211classic Жыл бұрын
Best vfm big turing motorcycle.
@StuartEJames
@StuartEJames 9 ай бұрын
Awesome bike, had pegs down with the wife on the back. I had this a lot faster into the corners than my Blackbird, this thing is very flickable. I have had one on UK back roads regularly well over 100mph.
@roberthampton8682
@roberthampton8682 Жыл бұрын
I bought my first ST1300 back in November 2005, an 05. I rode it for almost 8 years and put over 174,300 miles on it, before selling it to one of my sons. He now has 190K on it. But, like I said, that was my first. In 2012, I bought a '04 (like the one in this article), it was wrecked before I bought it with 31K miles, after fixing it, I put 37K on it, before parking it and letting it sit due to a bad waterpump. It sat, because I had bought a 2010, in 2013. It too had been wrecked (only 1.5K on it). I fixed it and I now (I still have it) have over 100K miles on it. In 2014, I bought yet another 2004, that had been wrecked. The mileage was unknown, since the speedometer was missing. But after fixing it, I put 50K on it before selling it to a buddy of mine. He has probably put another 50K on it. And then in 2015, I bought a new 2012. I currently have 34K on it. Needless to say, I love these bikes. when the '05 had 50K on it, I started a 125 miles a day commute, and did that for over 12 years. There were just a handful of days a year I did not ride. Which is why I have so many miles on ST1300s. In 2022, I did a couple of trips across the Nevada desert. One in mid January where the temps were 27F to 35F for the first 500 miles. But I did that in one day. Then in the summer, I rode across again, and temps were below 90F, so it was a pleasant ride. over 500 each day going across. Search the internet, you'll find lots of information on them. And like the author of this article, many others are finding out how great these bikes are, so don't be surprised if the prices start going up a bit! Enjoy your ST1300. The biggest problem you'll find you have with it, is when to stop for the day. LOL
@alkatrone
@alkatrone Жыл бұрын
I just got a ST 1300 from 2007, it`s a great bike. i do 20Km/L mutch beter then my VFR 750 from 93. And the sond of the exsost....... The most confortble bike i haver had!!!!
@colinlockett1529
@colinlockett1529 Жыл бұрын
Brought one, 2005..ST1300 great bike..
@sunrisejak2709
@sunrisejak2709 Жыл бұрын
Honda launched the new NT1100 to fill the gap beneath the Goldwing. Africa Twin based its a very nice solution. I'm very pleased with mine and it's all around capability. Hope Honda releases this model in the US market. I think it would be very well received.
@The_Touring_Jedi
@The_Touring_Jedi Жыл бұрын
NT is not a true Touring bike. It looks like hybrid Enduro Touring. I'm not why they did not developed new ST1300 to beat that RT1200 from BMW.
@sunrisejak2709
@sunrisejak2709 Жыл бұрын
@@The_Touring_Jedi Have you ridden the NT1100?
@RodKrisBisdakMotovlog
@RodKrisBisdakMotovlog Жыл бұрын
Wow absolutely awesome and amazing motorcycle. Nice one vidz my friend. Keep it up and more vidz to come. RIDE SAFE ALWAYS 🙏😊👊🤙❤️
@otmaroegeaguerra2732
@otmaroegeaguerra2732 4 ай бұрын
Me ha gustado mucho su vídeo. Tengo una honda silverwing 400 y estoy pensando en comprar una st 1300 de 2008. He oído que dan muchísimo calor con temperaturas altas. En España y en Madrid en concreto hace en verano un calor sofocante. Recomendaría esta moto? Gasta mucha gasolina en comparación con la silverwing? Me gustaría que me aconsejara si la comodidad de una y otra para el acompañante es muy grande. Muchas gracias. V'
@paulcollins7185
@paulcollins7185 Жыл бұрын
The weave or "Yaw", as it was called here in UK, was proven to be associated with various Police bike versions and their varied loads due to what the Police put on them. This was related to various kit loads for Police duties and bike mounted Police radio's. The trials and research into the Yaw or weave was found to be present on only Police bike variants, none of the civilian bikes for the public demonstrated any weaves. These trials took place in the UK with a variety of Police forces bikes and civilian bikes brought into the trial by Honda. I personally had one of these bikes and had it for 11 yrs and covered over 250,000 miles on it using it in all weathers and all road types and all journey types all over the place and into Europe. I never experienced any weave or "Yaw" ever in all that time. Several times in closed road scenario's and even on a race track I experienced the bike at high speeds of 140 mph. There was one death associated with the bike in the UK of a Police Officer on operations on a Police Bike version of the bike and he had a road traffic accident associated with 3 figure high speed.
@VehicleHunter
@VehicleHunter Жыл бұрын
You should consider yourself lucky then. Both St1300's i've owned have had this. 😧
@woolywooly8690
@woolywooly8690 12 күн бұрын
It is not chain-driven it is shaft driven and it has 125 horsepower. It has plenty of power you could ride wheelies whenever you want. And holds more fuel than a Honda goldwing about 8 gallons total.
@MrTandtrollet
@MrTandtrollet 9 ай бұрын
This looks like such a nice upgrade from my 650 Deauville. Some day!
@VehicleHunter
@VehicleHunter 9 ай бұрын
How do you like the deuville? it seems like a mini pan european
@ArmedAndIndigenous
@ArmedAndIndigenous 4 ай бұрын
I think it looks sick without bags. Even without the windshield thatll blind you just before sunset
@scottastell9415
@scottastell9415 Жыл бұрын
Great easy listening review.
@VehicleHunter
@VehicleHunter Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@The_Touring_Jedi
@The_Touring_Jedi Жыл бұрын
If only ST1100 got EFI like ST1300 I would buy it and never change for anything else. Talking about bulletproof bike. Stability of ST1100 on hard windy and rainy days is just like train on tracks...absolutely no issue in regard to all other bikes in same class.
@plunder1956
@plunder1956 11 ай бұрын
I heard of one British police force that sold off the 1300 Pan & bought second hand ST1100 to replace them. So the issue was of genuine concern.
@chaabidialna
@chaabidialna 2 ай бұрын
Beautiful bike
@dommartin2621
@dommartin2621 4 ай бұрын
Super boulot 👍
@SW-ok8qr
@SW-ok8qr Жыл бұрын
You were wrong to state that only 2003s have the wobble. Also, only one police officer died in England in 2012.
@The-realnews
@The-realnews Жыл бұрын
Excellent review informative 👍
@805gregg
@805gregg 9 ай бұрын
Best engine in any motorcycle
@westcoastfrisco
@westcoastfrisco Жыл бұрын
Great review!
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