Bvhr admits some onyro players were clever by thinking outside the box and still nerf her. That’s got almo’s name written all over that.

I'm just happy they mostly kept billy the same I was worried he might get nerfed down

Bro that onryo change... Almo doing his job in nerfing things based on statistics and not listening to the communit

I like how Quick Gambit is so useless Scott skipped over it like it was nothing

Onryo is too good at tunneling with Condemn but Wesker's perma-hinder is actually totally fine off hook and doesn't encourage tunneling at all. God I hate BHVR logic.

Thank you for putting the patch notes in the description. A lot of other creators who talk about the changes don’t link the page which annoys me because I would also like to read them myself

Lets just hope almo doesnt get downed by a billy any time soon

Wow they just nerfed the fuck out of Onryo.

"we wanted to adress the akward playstyle of blight players dashing and downing survivors too quickly, to remedy this, we have made the blight no longer able to hit survivors during a dash while giving him no new thing as compensation." Literally the sadako nerfs.

"We didn't like that Sadako could tunnel with condemn so we limited how much would get locked in so that now she has to tunnel just like everyone else"

Them not just making it so STBFL doesn't gain tokens on endurance hits or just not function on someone who is fresh off hooks is insane.

See you in 5 months when they decide to re-work Sadako again

Notice how there is no mention of Buckle-Up + FTP, didn't even make the "Watch List".

Making the condemned stacks cleansable actually encourages the killer to tunnel, because they want to get you down again before you can cleanse. When the stacks were stuck, the killer could let you go away, because there was nothing you could do.

0:55 This is the issue with this community though. When Sadako got reworked everyone lost their minds about how broken she was because everyone was still playing against old Sadako and not interacting with her power and letting her spam teleports/condemn. People finally figured out "oh shit I'm actually suppose to interact with the tvs and carry a tape around to avoid being condemned." Now we have the exact same thing happening of people not interacting with her power and BHVR immediately jumping to "fix" it. This community wants to do gens and loop killers anything that adds an extra element to the game people throw up their arms and just say fuck that I'm not doing it, and then when that bites them in the ass they complain about it. Pinhead is a perfect example of this. One tiny mechanic of solving his box and nobody does it and then people bitch about having to deal with chain hunt all game long.

bhvr is right that locked condemn can encourage tunneling to ensure the maximum amount of locked condemned, BUT this nerf actually encourages tunneling even more. Making her weaker by itself does that, plus now the killer will just slug and spend more time chasing the same survivor to ensure they get condemned before hooking them, since any additional condemn will be wasted. They still don't get that tunneling is caused primarily by a killer being weak.

Wow they didn’t re-nerf Billy and make him worse than he was pre-ptb, that’s surprising

12:10 The fact that you skipped the Quick Gambit change because of how useless the perk still is LMFAO

Of course, they couldn't have just taken a W without messing up again. I only saw few people complaining about new Sadako but all of those complaints were about her being *too weak!* They didn't need to nerf her! Gosh I'm so discouraged. The one time i thought bhvr actually dod something great they shat their pants again

BHVR just loves throwing nerfs as Sadako.

My prediction: There will be so much more hillbillly players at first, and so the bhvr stats they look at will show that he is underperforming/average. Eventually after some times passes only good billy players will be around and the bhvr stats will go up, bhvr will see that as a problem and nerf him into the ground again.

So glad they nerfed Sadako when she was like D tier and then buffed Blight and kept Billy the same

I believe the way SBFL was changed in the PTB isnt because they wanted it to work that way but because they werent able to code "whenever obsession gets hit by normal or special attacks" so they just went with "whenever loses a health state" to see how it worked on average while they changed the code properly.

Anyone else have trust issues with Scott and immediately skip to the end of his patch reviews just to confirm it's legit...

I think you misunderstand the issue with that the CD on condemned stacking was meant to addressed. It wasn't for using the Condemned power in chase. If a survivor was near a powered TV, she could teleport repeatedly to a bunch of random other TVs to build stacks on them. Normally, the survivor would react and you'd only get probably 2 stacks... unless the TV is in a hard to reach place, which is basically all two story maps. Then they physically can't get away from powered TVs fast enough and can't get to the powered TV fast enough to disable it to stop that from happening. And the main problem here is at the very start of the match. A Sadako that spammed teleports on an indoor map with a high cluster of TVs from the second they turn on could easily have multiple survivors at 3-4 stacks within like 30 seconds. At which point, they could then swap to the more regular condemned style because they've got them already almost dead.

Sadako died so billy could live

They should at least buff Onryo chase to compensate for the nerfs. Like maybe when she’s demanifested, she can phase through pallets, breakable walls, and windows?

as a retired survivor main that stopped the game years and years ago, I might come back since billy is finally in a good spot again, he was by far the most fun to play against, I just have the whole game to relearn

Onryo is actual trash now, and it makes me very sad. I’ve been an Onryo main since her launch, but I think I may have to finally drop her and find a new killer.

She had a fun play style and they ruined. Jesus Christ they fix billy and nerf the fun parts of onroyo. Like how are they this bad constantly

I'm surprised people think the new Hillbilly is fine. I'm mostly concerned about his new speed after missing. It's going to be 2.3 m/s (right now it's 1.38 m/s) and the cooldown will be shorter (2.5s instead of 3s). It's basically the same thing as with Xenomorph that used to be able to miss M2 and still lose almost no distance. His other buffs are fine, but this one rewards bad plays.

This adds to my crippling depression centered around sadako. Can i just have original sadako or something just remove ring drawing idc anymore

Man I think they need to just remove the lethal aspect of condemn so they can make it stronger, since it's so feast or famine it's extremely hard to balance. Give it something else like a gen speed repair penalty or something and make it accumulate faster, make it something survivors don't want to stack up without it being an instant kill

12:45 not every gen in the map only if survivor is kicked off. So after you see survivor is hooked hop off gen after 2 seconds (give them time to leave that 16m radius) to prevent ur specific gen from being blocked for 30s. only for 12s

The Sadako change may actually encourage tunneling more. To use the 4 stacks Scott gave as an example, if only two get locked in then the killer may want to tunnel in order to ensure they can capitalize on all four stacks. But if all four get locked it, then there’s no rush, whenever they find that survivor again they are guaranteed to still have all four stacks. EDIT: In addition, the lock-in mechanic would incentivize tunneling to the same people that the reverse bear traps incentivize tunneling to. People who don’t understand to point of the killer and end up playing them in a worse way. Some pigs tunnel the trapped survivor, without thinking about the fact that that person is busy anyway and should ideally be left alone. The same thing is true for sadako, instead of tunneling someone with 4 locked-in condemn stacks it might be a better idea to let them freak out and clear their condemn every time they get one more stack.

The Onryo nerf is the Freddy effect. Survivors wouldn’t wake up so they have them a reward for doing so whilst also nerfing the shit out of him. The same with her. Survivors won’t use a tape so she gets nerfed.

my idea for a new change; for every individual survivor hooked once, each survivor gets a 0.75 permanent condemn. all 4 survivors means 3 perm stacks. Tunellers won't benefit, and people who play fun will!.

I think the problems with Onryo are map specific, on a map like Midwich she can just spam teleport very easily, and catch more survivors than on an open outdoor map. Other than that I didn’t really have any issues facing her on the PTB, like you said, it just took a few matches to figure out how to counter her.

bhvr should just scrap condemned if they have no idea what they want from it

5:30, is it on tp or on condemn? if it is on tp, you can no longer spam to tv's to find if someone gets condemned close to you (unless you get on the first tp)

Which ' did you use in the title? How deep does this go?

Actually a player is less likely to be focused out if the condemned stacks remain after hook because you have banked stacks. If they can get rid of them then there is more pressure to just kill that player now

The issue with Blight isn't even his add-ons imo, the issue is that there's no downside. The 20 second cooldown means absolutely NOTHING for Blight because it's infinite, as a player, I won't care about losing power for 20 seconds if I fuck up because my power is infinite, imagine if Nurse had a similar add-on where she had infinite blinks. Now obviously blinks and rushes aren't the same, but Nurse and Blight are the 2 strongest killers in the game, they're already difficult to counter, now they have these crazy add-ons ON TOP of their already insane abilities. This is where BHVR keeps missing the mark, strong killers get add-ons that make them insanely stronger, while weaker killers get add-ons that make them only slightly stronger. Look at Wraith for example, now personally I think Wraith is insanely underrated, but compare his add-ons to stronger killers. Most of them just allow you to go slightly faster, uncloak slightly faster, cloak slightly faster, meanwhile other killers get insta-downs, super strong aura reading, you keep your power longer, breaking pallets around you, blocking windows, blocking pallets, slowing survivors down, etc. Their inability to give other killers strong shit, while also balancing stronger ones is ridiculous, I'm not saying those killers should get gutted, but there's no reason for them to get such strong add-ons, whilst other killers are left in the dirt.

scott done got a chemical burn from using too many breathe rite strips 😭😭😭

I feel like the condemn change only encourages more tunneling because now if the survivor gets left alone for a while they can remove most of the condemn whereas previously you could let the survivor go secure in the knowledge that the condemn was permanent. It feels like by trying to remove tunneling they only made it an even more viable, and arguably necessary, strategy for a condemn based Onryo.

Another thing about stbfl is that the changes don't affect all killers either, not sure if this was tested or not but a trapper trap isn't really a special attack unless they coded it to be or killers with one shots are still going to get decent use out of the perk. There's far better perks for some of these killers but it's kind of like how small game would tell you where trapper or hag traps were making the killer indirectly weaker.

Did they roll back the cool down nerf on save the best for last?

Wouldn't a better counter for Onryo tunneling be having condemned stacks move from the hooked survivor to the one unhooking?

I can’t wait to see if this update makes vaults bugged again

Your thoughts on STBFL I have to hard disagree. You can still tunnel off hook with or without the perk. The damn perk has 2 hard counters already. What more is needed?

8:28 i was brushing my teeth and did the same hand gestures as you just before you did them and said "Yaaay.." the exact same sarcastic way you did and nearly spat out my toothpaste 😂

And still imma see solo teammates that are dead at 4 gens against Onryo because they don't know anything.

Scott, overdrive add-ons (Those that make the overdrive start to dissipate later or slow down the dissipation rate) are useless, just tap your chainsaw and it'll stop regressing. I'd preferred getting the old spark plug, or other actually useful add-ons instead.

No mention on Buckle up + ftp or background player ,in fact they did mention any survivor perks or this is all about killers ?

I hope that “internal timer” is shown visually somehow

Sad part is both your video and Otz video mirror each other. The devs will never change or revert mistakes they make it changes because their ego is like a survivor who teabags the community than goes down and disconnects 20 seconds later when things didn’t go their on way. 😅

The onryo condemn lock change just encourages tunneling more, no? Since they can remove stacks over 2, i feel increased pressure to follow them off hook to prevent them from doing tapes. if they kept the full condemn lock i could just let them go and catch them naturally later

dms + grim embrace does not give 30 seconds on every gen but ones that survivors are currently repairing unless I am reading it wrong

what I'm seeing with onyro is that her teleport condemned got stronger from .75 to 1 stack of condemned but now it only applies condemned every 10 seconds, and locked in condemned is only 2 stacks for 1 hook and 4 stacks for 2 hooks. takes 7 condemned to mori some one. i will say that her condemned teleport is stronger since it went from 10 teleports to only 7 now to condemned kill a survivor, but it also encourages you to over condemn a survivor if its first chase and you hit them with more than 2 tvs. more or less we still gotta remember if she still has add ons to give condemned as well because basekit tv teleport condemn is stronger. so overall condemned is being made into more of a side effect which is fine, but doesn't punish those who wait to clease it too the max, say you condemned some to 4 bars around 1st hook, doesn't really lock it those 2 extra bars and the survivor will most likely clease those 2 bars before going back to a gen, which does cause some slow down. onyro can still teleport all around but doing it too fast doesn't apply condemned if done before 10 seconds. she gonna need good perks because survivors can still survive condemned since putting in the tape is faster now than the killers melee recovery time,

By tunneling topic I guess they meant it would be more discouraging for the killer to tunnel since he knew the surv had two stacks at max, so now it would take 5 stacks to kill them, whereas before the change he could do one good chase with 4-5 stacks gained and it was only 2-3 left. Much easier to tunnel

I would love for BVHR to do something about survivors who constantly hide or do nothing useful (generators, saves, etc.). This would help solo queue (removing pressure from survivors that are actually helping) and also prevent killers from having to search an entire map to find survivors who hide

Adrenaline vile was almost not the most broken addon in the game for second.

The generator changes will absolutely be noticeable even if you are not dragging matches out excessively if you are using Eruption or Surge with any other slowdowns. They just made Eruption F tier. Certain slowdown perks can no longer be used with other perks - mainly Surge and Eruption can no longer stack with anything else without giving the survivors a free gen.

Meanwhile, they still are ok with Victor being unable to pounce over pallets. One day BHVR will remember twins exist besides saying “we’re gonna rework them entirely eventually”

Its like they made a kit for onryo, then decided to do everything to stop onryo from using the kit they gave her.

It's just embarrassing bhow they keep nerfing trash killers cuz they apparently a bit too decent while keeping Nurse and Blight top tier for years with a straight face, this is just selective favoritism among killers by Bhvr

Honestly the quick gambit change is pretty cool I wanna see if it’s possible to get any value out of it

Wait Im confused, how does Grim Embrace stack with DMS? DMS only works if they get off of it, yes I know you know, but then Grim Embrace just blocks Gens 1 time per survivor till the last one for longer time

its not just 48. the final hook for grim embrace is 40 seconds still iirc They could however change it so that whenever 2 instances of generator blocking apply it only goes for the highest one and then if its still too strong nerf it to 25 seconds for dead man's switch. This way the combo gives a collective of 100-120 seconds of generator blockage. Which is strong for certain, however, it still requires a first hook on each person, which means you have to spread your pressure. This is why they haven't immediately nerfed it, there is a way around it and it still requires the killer to split their pressure up. Also, sprint burst ftp and buckle up is still a major thing, so.

BHVR always find to ruin the ptb was perfect it was about to be perfect patch in dbd history but somehow they fucked up

in ptb, as sadako you could tunnel the survivor or not, because he has the locked stacks, you could just let he escape this time because he couldn't remove them, now you will need to tunnel him, or else he will remove them

Rip the breathe right strip 😢

Remember, the thing with this game is that they aren’t telling the truth about any of their reasoning in patch notes. It always boils down to ‘What did the devs lose to recently?’

Grim Embrace is 1 Unique Hook - 12 seconds, 2 Unique Hooks - 12 seconds, 3 Unique Hooks - 12 seconds, 4 Unique Hooks 40 seconds. SO it's 76 seconds of gen block in total.

There is debating the Grim/Dead Man's synergy, actually. Grim Embrace is not every time a survivor is hooked (which is literally what you said). It's only the first time a survivor is hooked. Meaning, it only works 4 times. It literally deactivates after that. It also, because of this, discourages tunneling if you want value from the perk. But hey, definitely nerf it if we want to take away YET ANOTHER build possibility that only gets value by not tunneling. No skin off my back. I'll just tunnel every game. *shrug* Done. Literally, if the game is a "PaRtY gAmE" and "tHe chasE Is thE mOSt FUN PArT of thE GaMe, anD HOLdINg M1 Is boRINg", then this shouldn't be an issue. Or, maybe, it's only supposed to be a party game for one side. Get rid of gen PROGRESSION perks and items, then this would be overpowered. Until then, you're simply incorrect. Period.

Why bhvr doesnt consult people like scott and other smarter players before finalizing changes is mind boggling. Pure constant oversight. People who actually play the gane with any skill or thought can instantly tell you issues with your changes. Shows bhvr cant even play their game at a high level to even think.

I really hope we're entering a new Age of Billy.

BHVR be like we added this new change for onryo and we understand you guys actually like it but we saw you guys liked it and a couple of you even figured out how to use this mechanic well so we're going back to making her unplayable.

Why not simply.. make it so people can't gain more condemned for a minute after unhook? So the stacks you got are "locked in" in either direction, for a bit at least. Blight finally getting toned down AT ALL after 3 years of being busted is good though.

Idk why I watch these, haven't played this game in like 3 years, that's how cool you are Scott

Devs thinking that giving quick gambit a 3% buff will make the perk valuable instead of just reworking it

Forgot how much I just like hearing Scott talk tbh

Why hasnt bhvr removed gaining stacks on deep wound? That's the problem. Even I hit unhooked survivors to get extra stbfl stacks

If you want Sadako's condemn uncapped, you'll have to wait two years for that. They did for Billy 🙄

I think blight tag is pretty much useless now. For example if you have to rush and break a certain pallet like at shack then you lose your power for 20 seconds which is brutal.

They should turn onryo into a 4.4 killer and give her cooldown on her manifestation at this point lol. Also that quick gambit buff is so friggin pathetic. %8 within 32m is horrible. If it was like a %20 maybe it might be worth a perk slot

The Onryo condemned stacks on hook change actually just ENCOURAGED tunneling.

They are probably hoping the lazy survivors will stop complaining about Sadako and they will count that as a success and never touch Sadako again. Im so tilted about this, i was so pumped to play the new Sadako rework since i main her now im just depressed about it and dont care about playing her. How could they ruin her this bad and have the nerve to use the poor excuses they chose 😔

It's hilarious they nerfed Billy to the ground mostly because of his add-ons combos and decided to add cooldown add-ons back (it's definitly not as strong as the multiple effects addons back then).

I love that the dev team love Blight, makes me a happy Blight main knowing my killer will always have good add ons

I feel like Bvhr just doesn't fix the problems with Onyro. Like the main problem with her condemned is she can outright kill someone without hooks which is core to how matches function. I don't get why they don't make is so condemned can't kill you unless your on last hook. But before last hook being condemned gives you a debuff or some other penalty so it still works as a slow down and encourages survivors to get tapes.

It's dumb how they need the PTB to tell them that some of these changes are pointless or go way over board, and then proceed to still get things wrong post PTB. It feels like they just change numbers at random and let the community do the testing. I seriously wonder if they actually play their own game... Like with the blight's changes, they should have been able to load up a match with the number tweaks and see how insane it was for him to loop with compound 33 at 33% turn rate bonus. They don't need PTB for that lol.

The worst part of Sadako is and will always be the no hook mori: It is irrelevant what other things she has, if she can 0 hook mori you won't be able to fix her and buff her without her becoming intrinsically awful to face. I'm not shocked AT ALL that BHVR is walking back changes to her that could be strong given that they're already pushing her back into the slug - condemn gameplay loop where hooks never even enter the equation, I'm just more shocked people don't get it given that Pig had to face several really big nerfs to tune down her one trap headpops so she could get minor buffs to ambush.

agreed on the sadako stuff, but the only thing that blew my mind was the fact they just tweaked the numbers again to quick gambit lmao. why are they insisting on this functionality!!!!!! its dumb

Nerfed sadako can't kill anymore Nerfed sadako no chase power Nerfed sadako no teleporting to fast I am tired of them not knowing what to do with sadako just don't change her at this point whats the point of condem if you legit have to tunnel to get a kill just keep what we have so people actually have to fix their condem instead of having the killer tunnel a survivor to get complete condem or remove it completely and change entire playstyle

5:47 this change is huge. One thing you could do is teleport to other tvs to rapidly build vondemn at the one a survivor was near. It incentivizes survivors to turn of the tv near them or be killed within the first minute of the game. (Punishing players who ignore her power) this means survivors can just not care about tvs because what’s she gonna do. Spend 2 and a half minutes condemning you. You just go put the tape away. Combined with the hook changes this idea in is the survivor counter play. Just don’t give a fuck about her. What’s she gonna do to stop you? Chase?

(Regarding DMS and Grim Embrace) "They're just going to nerf this in a couple of weeks" I thought the same about For The People / Buckle Up. However here we are...

The Overdrive add-ons are still pretty useless considering your bar doesn't even start depleting for ~12 seconds at base and you can just rev it a little to stall the timer. Not to mention that you're generally going to be using the saw to go around the map all the time anyway.

Onyro change makes sense because it just promoted tunneling. Not that I mind tunneling, but BHVR seems to be gunho against it

So sadako is back in F teir again. Nothing will be done to address out of control gen rates STBFL is still gonna be nerfed when it was fine.