Veterinarian debates Farmina: "Dogs are carnivores"

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Ай бұрын

Lets look at the different meanings of the term carnivore as it pertains to the canine species. Are dogs really Carnivores?
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@mcbeezee2120 Ай бұрын

Glad to hear you still like their dog food line as far as NUTRIENTS go. Our 12 year old is on a combo of a Farmina cod formula and Purina Pro Plan Sensitive Skin/Stomach, Salmon formula.

@kristyrolczynski Ай бұрын

Could we get a video about safe bones and edible chewing alternatives and how they affect a balanced diet and nutrition? Thank you for everything! Science for the win!

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

Great idea.

@cosmicloverstarot 21 күн бұрын

@@kristyrolczynski I second this!

@lifeofkali9999 Ай бұрын

I have to say, figuring out what food to feed dogs is challenging. There’s so much information out there- everyone seems to have their own biases and preferences, and many people don’t even agree on basic premises. I consider myself fairly open minded which is almost worse in this case because there’s so many choices out there. The only positive light I can bring is that people truly care about their pets and that’s why there’s such an enthusiastic debate around what to feed our pets. I hope one day there is clarity brought to this debate because right now, deciding what to feed is confusing and quite frankly even stressful.

@ScottRasmuson-cq9hp Ай бұрын

Thanks for doing this. It was the best video on this topic I've seen.

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

Thank you!

@Aimee0206 Ай бұрын

Rea, do you think you could review Millie's Wolfheart dry dog food? It's probably one of the best foods I've been able to find, since the ingredients mostly line up with what I personally want to feed my dogs and the nutrient levels seems pretty good for their 'average dog' recipes. They market themselves as working dog food as it means that they don't have to add VAT onto the price, but a good portion of their foods are suitable for dogs living more sedentary lives. They provide a graph stating which food to use depending on the dog's daily activity levels, with Peak Performance being suitable for dogs working between 6 and 7 hours a day and Tracker/Highland Low Fat mixes being suitable for dogs who exercise less than 30 minutes a day. My only qualm is that only one of their foods is legume free, but the other foods don't contain huge amounts of legumes regardless.

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

I’m always happy to investigate good options

@Aimee0206 Ай бұрын

@@AnimalDocRea It definitely seems like a good option for people like myself, who aren't a big fan of more mainstream brands but still care about nutrient levels. Some of their foods do go above or below the guidelines set out by Small Animal Clinical Nutrition, however if I remember right, the foods that go higher are geared towards dogs that are in their prime and out working for hours a day. Peak Performance, for example, is very high in fat and Hunter is very high in protein, and the foods that go lower only go lower in fat for dogs that need less calories. I just love how they've taken the nutritional needs of a variety of different dogs into account. My dogs are currently on their Countryside mix as that's the only legume free option, however I'm considering moving them onto either Highland or Tracker since they'd be more suitable for their lifestyle. I'm just trying to figure out ways that I can prevent DCM on a legume-inclusive diet before I make any changes (if you've any ideas, then please let me know). Their foods are also made entirely without any chicken or eggs, which is an absolutely *huge* bonus for me since one of my dogs is sensitive to both. They're also quite affordable, depending on the recipe you buy, compared to similar foods on the market purely because they're labelled as working dog foods. And, contrary to their name, they don't believe in the wolf diet for dogs! That's something I found particularly interesting.

@kyliephillips1333 Ай бұрын

My understanding is that the most accurate terminology pertaining to domesticated canines is "facultative carnivore" as opposed to "omnivore."

@1800llamas Ай бұрын

I heard you mention schnauzer and I myself have a schnauzer currently. Are there certain foods I should give to him versus others? He is a puppy on pro plan small breed and my plan was to graduate him to adult pro plan small breed when he is old enough.

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

Schnauzer in particular tend to need low fat and low minerals so try and keep those parameters on the low end.

@MonicaDogs4ever Ай бұрын

Curious about canine diabetes. Age related, what diet, breed specific? Glad to see advances on medication

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

Diabetes is a huge topic, more than probably than even a video could explain.

@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Ай бұрын

Excellent points! I was just watching a board certified nutritionist saying many of the same things! I do think comparing the needs of a true carnivore (cats) to an omnivore (digs) helps clarify too! So now take on cats and carbs, just for Ed!!! Since cats are Cornivores !

@edschulhof6303 Ай бұрын

There is a brand of cat Litter that is made from corn and wheat. The same as Hill's cat food. Just put the litter in the pet food bowl. Two birds with one stone, so to speak! LOL

@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Ай бұрын

@@edschulhof6303 what would we do without Ed?

@edschulhof6303 Ай бұрын

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy You would not have as much fun! 🎶"Thanks for the memories. You might have been a headache but you never were a bore. Thank you so much!" 🎶

@Briant24681 Күн бұрын

Can you review Blue Ridge Raw. Dog food and can you review ANY good dog training treats. Thank you for your videos.

@TenisAlab Ай бұрын

Can u please review Northwest Naturals

@sandypolsky5683 Ай бұрын

@animaldocrea Would you kindly recommend a couple or so of decent (without breaking the bank) good canned wet dog food (grain inclusive) for a mixed breed, 3 year old ,50 lb. dog? I do know the dog food he is on is for all life stages (I didn't know at first that was a bad thing), but please recommend at least a couple based on your experience, please. I really need some help. I know I keep bugging you, but I know you know your information. Thank you!

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

In general I do not make food recommendations, I teach consumers how to methodically evaluate pet food labels and detect industry marketing traps. I don't have any specific reviews on many canned canine foods. I can tell you in general canned foods will be more expensive than dry foods. You may consider reviewing the Playlists of foods scoring 7+ and then soaking it to soften it as a more economical approach.

@sandypolsky5683 Ай бұрын

@@AnimalDocRea Thanks for your reply. He is unable to chew kibble, even soaked. Yes, I definitely found out just how more expensive canned is compared to kibble, but it is what it is. Poor guy has to eat. Seems like no one has specific reviews hardly on canned foods, at least not pet nutritionists. Not even my Vet. Again, thanks anyway. You give great information easily understood for those who use dry kibble and you're awesome at what you do.

@edschulhof6303 Ай бұрын

The other post won't let me comment. You just want what is best for your pet, as we all do. Glenn and Dr. Rea are the best if you are going to feed commercial food.

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

@edschulhof6303 thanks Ed

@sandypolsky5683 Ай бұрын

@@edschulhof6303 I so appreciate your kind words! Yes, we all just want what we can do for our loved pets to the best of our ability. Glenn was trying to help me and was going to review (as you probably saw) a canned dog food brand, but I decided on one that I believe and pray will work for him and that he loves. Thanks again, Ed. You're very appreciated, as is Glenn.

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

5:40 - theres a SciShow video about how donesticated cats have taste buds for unami, but their wild cat counterparts do not. No one knows why

@edschulhof6303 Ай бұрын

Why are most marsupials so darn cute? Another honest and fair video. No earrings today? Since I started eating the same fresh, homemade food I give my cats, I have lost 15 pounds. My bloodwork and blood pressure are fine! LOL. Happy Purrsday!

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

Good to hear Ed.

@edschulhof6303 Ай бұрын

@@AnimalDocRea Thank you!

@topg3200 Ай бұрын

What do u think about someone just feeding goat milk and raw beef and raw salmon to their dogs

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

I’d recommend they consult a boarded nutritionist to make sure they are doing it properly

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

I would be concerned about tick-borne encephalitis and TB, which pets can both get according to case studies

@edschulhof6303 Ай бұрын

I would want to know the nutrient levels of the diet. Also, you might consider poaching the salmon. Raw fish can be iffy. I use fresh ground beef, stored as cold as possible. Handle carefully and use within two days to avoid bacteria problems. My cats have been on a homemade diet for over a year. They won't eat raw chicken, so I boil it. Sardines or poached salmon once a week. And raw ground beef. Good luck

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

16:16 - and a dog's skull is too weak to take down deer on their own. Their jaws are more similar to rodent-dependent canids or generalist canids than to big-game canids; yet a dog's body mass is too large to subsist on only rodents, which imply they depends on humans to provide the nutrients The outlier to the "cost of carnivory" paragdim is the maned wolf whose diet is mostly fruits.

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

4:00 - funny thing is Siberian sled dogs and Siberian laikas are already exposed to millet and buckwheat 4 000 years ago (Robert Losey should have papers about testing bones for isotopes to determine whether or not a canid skeleton is a wolf or a dog)

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

7:17 - Yeah, the Robet Losey paper on foraging behaviours say Siberian dogs eat lots of fish, whereas their wolf counterparts do not. Farmina's hypothesis started falling apart since what makes a dog domesticated is their dependency on human cooking. Even dingoes, the rewilded dogs, have a symbiotic relationship with Australian Indigenous nations in scavenging through human dump sites

@topg3200 21 күн бұрын

A friend says her dogs eat raw that there vet put them on raw and dogs are healthy they are sport and protection dogs they say no vet has said anything bad about it?

@AnimalDocRea 21 күн бұрын

That would be off the mainstream. I find it odd that no vet has said anything. I’d say they are selectively asking vets that recommend raw because that is definitely the minority

@aprilcasserly2172 Ай бұрын

Hey what happened to feline Fridays 😢

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

I know, my son broke my computer and I got so far behind with filming I had to take a break. It was becoming overwhelming and then to have to catch up, I couldn’t do it.

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

Uh, and I filmed a cat video on my lunch break this week and my sound wasn’t working. I’m in some bad karma right now I guess

@aprilcasserly2172 Ай бұрын

@@AnimalDocRea Oh that’s right. I’m so sorry you are having bad luck. Sending good vibes your way! Prayers are needed for my 13 year old kitty. I believe she is early stage diabetic. We are going to vet tomorrow. She is my world so we can use all the thoughts and prayers we can get. Thank you for all the wonderful knowledge and support!! 🩵

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

@aprilcasserly2172 best of luck, early detection is key.

@edschulhof6303 Ай бұрын

@@AnimalDocRea Cats are spiritual creatures, with other worldly powers. What have you done to upset them? LOL

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

7:17 - this argument Farmina is making nakes no sense. There's a BBC documentary hosted by Dr. Alice Roberts in "Origin of Us" (2011) about how humans physically cannot eat enough raw vegetables, grains, nuts, seeds and tubers to meet our daily caloric needs. We need to actually cook the plant natters and extract oils from the nuts and seeds to even digest or have room

@TenisAlab 16 күн бұрын

A dog's teeth reflect the mechanics of the ripping and tearing of food. They also possess a shortened gastrointestinal tract, versus the longer Gl tract of an omnivore or herbivore. In addition, dogs don't have amylase, an enzyme that breaks down sugars, in their saliva, like an omnivore and herbivore would have. The relative inability to convert plant based sources of Omega-3 fatty acids into EPA and DHA is also a strong indication of carnivore status. Despite this, omnivorous humans have been feeding dogs omnivorous diets for years, filled with plant based protein sources such as corn and rice. And this is why dogs now live to an average age of 11.5 when they are genetically able to live into their 20's. Cheap omnivores carbohydrate diets are killing dogs at a faster rate than ever in history.

@AnimalDocRea 16 күн бұрын

Genetically able to live into their 20s?

@TenisAlab 15 күн бұрын

@@AnimalDocRea Dogs are genetically predetermined to live up to late 20's. So if we as a society fed our dogs as they should be, the average age would not be 12.5, it would be 20+. For humans it's 120 years but our average is only around 80.

@AnimalDocRea 15 күн бұрын

@@TenisAlab can you provide the resource for that, I’ve never heard that statistic before and would like to read how they determined that number.

@roberthynesdogtraining Ай бұрын

Ahh, a vet. Define what a carnivore is? Dogs do no produce amylase in their saliva. That's a carnivore. What are you getting out of this? How much starch does the average dog eat in dog food? And what does that do to the pancreas?

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

Dr. Rea says it 1:17. Farmina is a dog-kibble company, yet they're using the same marketing tactics as raw-food companies. So, Farmina's manufacturing is not in line with their marketing. No one refutes dogs cannot digest raw grains, tubers or vegetables. Those are not bioavailable to humans either. Even lichens needs tto be fermented in reindeer stomach in order to be digestible to wolves, dogs and humans in environments where meat is the only food source. Since Farmina cooks their food, then Farmina pretending to be a raw food manuufscterer makes no sense.

@roberthynesdogtraining Ай бұрын

@@ZaryaTheLaika I don't care. I'm concerned about a vet arguing that the dog is not a carnivore.

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

@@roberthynesdogtraining Better tell competitive mushers all the studies about feeding greyhound and sled-dog are bogus then. They got it down to a science carbs is better for sprinting dogs and fats is better for long-distance dogs and they adjust the ratios constantly tto maximize performance. By and large, a dog will eat whatever their caretakers provide whether it's vegetarian daal in South Asia, fermented milk in Turkey and Kazakhstan, dried fish in Russian Far East or raw seal meat in Nunavut.

@edschulhof6303 Ай бұрын

Are you asking for clarification, or are you trying to be confrontational? "Taxonomically, cats and dogs are members of the order Carnivora and are therefore classified as carnivores (Table 12-4). From a dietary perspective, however, dogs are omnivores. (Chapter 12)." Small Animal Clinical Nutrition Book, 5th ed., page 362. Dogs and humans can process non-meat protein sources, safely. That does not mean we don't need meat. And neither dogs nor humans should be vegan. My cats have been fed a homemade meat diet for over a year. I still can be respectful to Dr. Rea.

@aiylacarson Ай бұрын

Just to confirm … Dogs are Omnivores right?

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

Ha…from a feeding standpoint yes.

@aiylacarson Ай бұрын

@@AnimalDocRea Thank you! Marketing is confusing?

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

Yes, the only dogs that are not omnivore are Indigenous dogs in the polar north like Qimmit and Greenlandic Dog. So, these companies are trying to sell you something that's only true of dogs in one highly specific ecosystem that do not extend to dog's everywhere else Even Alaskan sled-dogs and Siberian sled-dogs (I don't use "husky" because of the historical slur) have agricultural adaptations in their genomes.

@roberthynesdogtraining Ай бұрын

@@AnimalDocRea From a feeding standpoint? What other standpoints are there? I've been feeding strict raw for over 20 years. Meat, bone, organ and some fish. That's it. My dogs don't get sick or diseased, no need for a vet. You know what I'm getting at don't you? Need to find your opinions on spay and neuter now, down the rabbit hole we go.

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

@@roberthynesdogtrainingTaxonimcally, dogs are carnivores like panda bears (herbivore) and aardwolf (insectivore). Ethiologically, dogs are considered scavengers. And morphically, dogs have more in common with rodent specialists like foxes or witth generalists like coyotes than with hypercarnivores like grey wolves and dire wolves; but dogs also have the weird quirk where their body mass to jaw strength ratio is similar to the maned wolf, which is a frugivore. Archeologically, dogs are well-adapted to agriculture except amongst Inuit populations. Evolutionarily, dogs were hypercarnivores (Late Paleoscene wolvves from Central Asia and East Siberia) who became generalists by transitioning to a fish-based diet (backed by anthropology) then adapted to a grain-based diet based (backed by archeology and genomics). And frankly, ecologically, most hunter-gatherer can only feed one to three dogs. Unless they have access to fish or grains, then a family can keep up to ten dogs or more. There's a real hard limit on how much the environment can support a deer-based diet.

@WokelandDefector Ай бұрын

Both dogs and cats are meant to be carnivorous. Will they eat veggies on occasion? Yes. I occasionally eat a meatless meal. That doesn't make me a vegetarian. Both my cats and dogs will eat veggies, yogurt, etc. if I give it to them. But if I put a bowl of meat and a bowl of veggies in front of them, guess which one will be passed up in favor of the other - EVERY time - for BOTH of them. Look at our teeth and digestive systems compared to those of dogs and cats. It's pretty clear that we humans were designed to live an omnivorous life but both dogs and cats were designed to be carnivores - with the occasional veggie meal when meat is scarce. But we've been slowly driving our pets to disease and death by feeding them high carb processed garbage diets because it is more convenient for us. Feed both your dog and cat an all - or at least almost all - meat diet and they will most likely be healthier and live longer.

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

I think Dr. Rea is more pointing out the contradiction in Farmina's formulations. They use grains, tubers etc in their products, yet market like raw food or freeze-dried or dehydrated pet food companies Farmina would be correct if the grains, tubers, seeds, vegetables etc are uncooked and raw. Both dogs annd humans do not digest raw plant mattters very well. But Farmina still cook their ingredients, which makes their marketing not in line with their own production.

@AnimalDocRea Ай бұрын

Yes, just giving food for thought

@ZaryaTheLaika Ай бұрын

@@AnimalDocRea Sorry for editing in middle of you giving a heart.

@edschulhof6303 Ай бұрын

@@AnimalDocRea 🎶"To-MAY-to, To-MAH-to. Let's call the whole thing off! 🎶 LOL