Thanks for being the only grownup in the room. Even if Warcry was officially stopped, we could still play it. I don’t understand why folks think James Workshop gets the final word.

literally pyre and flood was released a week ago for warcry

I’ve been a Warcry ambassador for my local area and I’ve only had more people asking me about playing it this month then I did all year. I think people are starting to notice it more now than ever.

Subscribing and supporting OffMetaMusing also shows GW people are interested in Warcry.

It makes sense for GW being silent on their gateway skirmish game for AoS months before they are going to try and push spearhead AoS as the gateway to AoS. Keep calm and play whatever you prefer.

If Warcry stopped being produced by GW tomorrow I would have more content and rules for models and campaigns than Mordheim has run on for 20+ years. People need to decouple the hobby they enjoy from the product churn. We need to stop treating wargaming like it's mmo servers.

Back in 2019 people were asking "is Kill Team dead?" quite a lot - in the gap between Kill Team: Elites being announced and it being released. This sort of reaction is common and not always rational. Sadly I doubt your video will be seen as much as Tabletop Minions' "Are We Seeing the END of Warcry?" video from Friday. 😞

In a world that Killteam and Necromunda exist... we could have Warcry and Mordheim 2 so I don't understand the hate that warcry gets from some of the mordheim fans. Thanks for a very good explanation on a complex topic!

My understanding was (using Corvus Cabal as an example because I want them) they coming out of AoS but will now be exclusively made for warcry. Just got to wait for them to be back in stock.

I get that GW Wanted to cull the clutter from Slaves to Darkness in AoS and remove all the warbands that no longer have a home from the store, but part of this was just a problem of their own making that they could have found more creative solutions. Just like the Dark Oath became a full part of S2D, some of the other warbands could have realized that Archaon's Legions were not the place for them and instead heard one of the Four (now five) calling to them. Several warbands already had an identity coded towards one of the gods a d they should had an epiphany and joined their armies; Unmade in Hedonites, Iron Golems in Bloodbound, Corvus Cabal in Maggotkin, and Cypherlords in Disciples. These army ranges are small could have used the extra unit (except arguably Bloodbound) and could have used to extra representation of their God's aspect to make their armies less monolithic. Also the main problem Warcry doesn't get support in terms of balance and rules that even Killteam and Warhammer Underworlds does yet, which is what I feel holds it back a bit. Like the new Seraphon, Ironjawz, and Slaves to Darkness ranges still do not have rules to this day, while Ghouls and Cities do. It makes GW appear very blaze and noncommittal when it comes to this game.

since november: 6 warcry warbands and 10 underworld warbands added to warcry. That is insane.

Well, that certainly soothes some of my worries. Uncle Atom's comment about how you can still find Heart of Ghur under retail price available for sale in big retailers as a sign that sales are not good was certainly worrisome. Then again, I hope it's not a case of me just hearing what I want to hear,

Finally someone who gets it. Re Mordheim I believe GeeDubs should do a Made to Order for Mordheim rather than a re-release. Demand would be high & there would be no wastage for GeeDubs.

First of all, thank you for this video, a voice of reason is always needed. Regarding the Mordheim -- thanks for that comment. People playing Warcry definitely are enjoying a very different game, and I'm sure that most of the player base don't really want anything like Mordheim -- otherwise they would play it and not Warcry. The whole Mordheim thing in my personal opinion is like some myth and cult in a way. People constantly will tell how epic and great it is, how it's the best GW game to ever be made. And usually it will all fall down to aesthetics of the game (and that's just artwork, you basically can take a Warcry rulebook and stick Mordheim art in it), nostalgia and some vague concepts of customisation or freedom. Like "you can take a guy in heavy armour and with a sword or in light armour and with a bow!" Well, I kinda can do that in Warcry as well. Yeah, I would not argue that Mordheim's system is a bit more flexible. Is it necessary to be a good game though? I read the rules and watched a couple of Mordheim games. It's clunky and vague in my opinion. It's an "I go -- you go" game, a thing a lot of people criticise AoS and 40k for, since alternating activations are all the rage, though I personally thing a well-executed "I go -- you go" system for bigger wargames can be fine, though not for skirmish imo. It has a very old style of combat system (something people criticised KT2018 for, even though it was a bit lighter even). And when I see people in comments regarding rules issues of Mordheim how it's vague or something isn't working right response with their own sorts of house rules -- well, to me it's not a sign of "the best game ever" if you need to invent your own rules to make some stuff work. It's great there are people who enjoy Mordheim, all the power to them. But I really don't think a lot of people who want Warcry to be Mordheim really know what that will be like. It's just "oooh, that old mythical thing was SO GREAT when I was a kid playing it, I don't want some new nonsense that's definitely was made by some amateurs, the GREAT OLD thing is totally the best thing in the whole world". Don't let nostalgia cloud your perception

I recently bought the Sundered Fates box, glad that it isn't going out.

A revisit to mordheim would be really cool. I agree the rules are a bit more clunky. Losing a game due to not fully grasping the rules feels way worse than losing because of strategy, especially for a beginner. I think goal should be getting players to want to play again to improve instead of pushing them to re read the rule book after a loss. Warcry is super accessible, but thats just my opinion after teaching 7+ people how to play warcry. That being said there are some really cool mechanics and themes that warcry should borrow or adapt. I really think gw should just release 2 big starter boxes for the next season. With the AOS 4.0 in mind, it would be really cool if they released a box with a city them prior to the skaven invasion. Dense terrain with verticality. They could maintain their model of releasing 2 warbands and a terrain piece that either expands on the city or hints at the inevitable invasion. Box 2 could be themed around the giant skaven city that erupted in the trailer. You’d have 2 completely different themes that could be mixed together to create the “front lines” of the invasion blending the 2 cities together. They kind of did this last season (trees/bones vs seraphon ruins), but it was way to spread out and you’d have to spend way too much money to make a full seraphon board. Skaven vs cities of sigmar in a city theme would probably intrigue the mordheim players as well!

I prefer Warcry's mechanics to killteams, Warcry is a lot faster and smoother running than killteam and that is why I like it.

I hope you are right, as I have no interest in playing a revised Mordheim/Warcy hybrid system. I support Warcry through sales, and not tournaments. I'll never go to a tournament because I'm not into the competitive scene at all with any game. I barely have time to game with friends and organized play just means more commitment. I've bought up Scales and HoG for terrain and I picked up 6 more additional single box warbands too (within 6 months). I'm holding for now, because if the game does take a turn for the worse I don't want to have buyers remorse. As a new player they hooked me good (and glad), the issue I have is that if you hook me you better have a plan to keep me in the community. There are sooooo many communities to support, so making sure my money goes to the right product/people/company is important to me. The problem with your argument is that GW have in the past stopped supporting the game/version they released. Most of their recent company decisions have only been around making the most money and not really caring about the community in the right way. So looking at recent trends, it is possible that Warcry might loose support. I hope not, but since no one really knows we are all left to our theories/opinions and time will tell. Crossing fingers though as I love the game.

I like Warcry because it’s a lovely little skirmish game, simple to play but difficult to play well. My Beastmen & Dark Elves hold there own well and I have Splintered Fang warband on the painting table for this week. My little wargaming group tend not to engage in endless updating. We have the game and play it, if it was sun-setted by GW we’d still play it from time to time. As for Mordheim I’d love GW to bring it back, but the campaign based, unit building game it was is a very different game to Warcry. It’s nice having a small skirmish game with little book keeping, Mordheim wasn’t that game.

Sooooo, I’ve been living under my basement staircase with my dog hoarding food and water, scanning the airways of my AM radio searching for signs of new Warcry news since they’ve squatted those chaos warbands…… does that mean I can come out now????

Thanks for a sensible approach to this abd not riding the whole "doomsayer algorithm". Good on you!

Comment for feeding the algorithmic youtube gods, as this is a great and important video on an important topic.

Both Underworlds and Warcry has had tons of great content lately so if they are being killed off they have a funny way of showing it.

I find your lack of panic and fear-mongering disturbing. How do you expect to get views if you aren’t just making stuff up to rile up the masses?

in the warcry book blood of the ever chosen, you come across the end of spire tyrants, iron golems, splintered fang, flames of sions and untamed beasts. As GW said, these bands did not make it. The story has moved forward. Untamed beasts and corvus coval are my favorite chaos bands

It probably doesn't help that GW's messaging was up to it's usual high standards (being somewhat lower than a snake's belly). They've said that Errant Questors are out, but didn't mention Questor Soulsworn. Khagra's Ravagers are going but the rest of Slaves to Darkness are staying? Plague Monks are staying but Plague Priests and Censer Bearers are leaving? That's the problem with vague messaging; it's only normal for speculation to rush in and fill the void.. Personally, I think we might well see a Mordheim 'reboot' along the lines of Necromunda and Hammerhal Aqshy has very similar architecture, which would be great for WarCry...

Whatever drives engagement will float to the top, and unfortunately we cant seem to stop clicking ragebait, controversy and negativity. It happens in magic the gathering, world of warcraft and all other hobbies I've been a part of. Years ago the biggest content creators were screaming of the rooftops how WoW was dying, yet the game is in another upwards trend and in fact more healthy then in a very long time. Creators need to stop worshipping 'The Algorithm', and maybe content platforms need to stop incentivising negativity so much. With all the capabilities of AI nowadays they have the tools and no excuses.

Thanks for that video. GW and GW games are the favorite target of trolls spreading false news and rumors. Mordheim was "killed" by GW a long time ago and... it's still possible to play it and a lot of people still play it. Even if GW stops releasing new Warcry products (very unlikely), there is enough material to play for years and years.

What do you mean cutting warscroll bloat in one game doesn't kill another different game made by a different team with completely separate rules?

Warcry > Mordheim. I play both and speak with absolute authority

I wish I could buy cards for my warband

Finally someone who gets it

we play every week in my store around 10 ppl weekly

Fun fact, the proper way to pronounce the name of the Polish tournament 'Warkraj' is... 'Warcry'. That's the joke.

My wife and i just ordered nightmare quest to get started into this game, so ihope we are not late to the party 😂

I think the actual problem is “story-driven product development”

I would not start Warcry as a new player and I would caution anybody wanting to get into Warcry right now. I would not try to dissuade them, just make sure they are aware of the signs. It's easily my favorite GW game but eliminating so many original warbands is the single greatest sign that this game is on the way out. I can easily see GW eliminating more, recent warbands as they sell out their remaining inventory. EDIT: I would like to point out that I love Warcry and don't want to see it cancelled. That said, I will brace for the worst while hoping for the best.