I love the War Within, seems a bit underrated but the changes it brought is what made Warframe what it is right now.

You're probably my #1 WF lore curator at this point

Even with everything else that happened after, the War Within is still my favorite quest. The amount of lore, the pacing, the discovery of the Fortress... No other quest did that blend that good.

So according to the Duviri Paradox, Teshin didn't die on Pergasa but fell to Duviri in the void portal. But I remember being mightily confused as to wether he died or not during the quest since DE changed him in relays to a RED mist. They later changed it to black as it is today. What I always wanted from a "new player experience" was a proper introduction to Teshin for new players who are rushing through the planets and not trying the PVP. I remember doing just that and being pretty confused when a random NPC from the relay appeared out of nowhere in the story.

I’m glad you’re back to KZfaq, your lore, videos or theories are always the best to watch. Keep up the great work.

I think any of the choices for the Queen can be canonical with the Worm Queen cutscene later. If she survived then maybe she won in a fight with her and killed her herself, tired of always playing second fiddle when the other literally just lost to us tenno. Then either of the other just due to her being killed. I would really like to see this go somewhere for sure though. Appreciate the thoughts and video TheDsIEGE!

I would say there's a very apparent disparity in rank between the Elder Queen and the Worm Queen, and that combined with the Worm more clearly bearing the tell-tale ravages of Clone Rot give me the impression that only the Elder was actually an Orokin noble and the legend of the Twin Queens is merely a myth she created to manipulate the Grineer into serving her interests as the old empire broke apart, the Worm instead a mascot she designed to further prop up her claim to the throne. And as for if twins were reviled because of Wally sightings, I can't say it seems likely the Orokin would want to have an entire interplanetary working class composed of clones if they were worried about that over the class marker based stigma the poem explicitly cites.

Every Dax took Kuva into them. In theory, all Kuva users are connected. Teshin might just sense a disturbance in us and shook us out of the hallucination.

My guess is that Teshin we interact with since Lua is the Void dopple and the Teshin we see in Duviri is the real one.

Things I want: Necramech PvP, ultra stances (primed stance mods or something), and YOUR ALIGNMENT ACTUALLY MATTERING SOMEHOW

"I don't need it anymore" we no longer communicate transference through the somatic link but as the void itself, transcending space and time.

Another thing during this quest i realised why the man in the wall seemed to appeared In the chains of harrow we are told some how manage to put all the attention on himself and also chain the man in the wall to prevent him from seeing or affecting reality or the tenno This was during when the tenno choose to cryosleep leaving rell to handle the budern If i had to guess how the man in the wall sees as it would be a world fill with nothing but stars of different colours able to touch or influence as he wished But during the cryosleep only one star(Rell) that held the chains If i had to guess how the man in the wall was seeing as during the war within it would be i f a star blinking as in conflict and sonething replacing its colour Maybe disliking this the man in the wall may have assisted as in pushing the influence of the queen worm because it doesnt like sharing of what he made

The small details within the main story quests, I believe, are something like traces of memories. The Tenno don’t have all their memories back after all, and they know they’re still missing several pieces. Perhaps the seven vague outlines of people in the Yuvan theatre are actually things we subconsciously know should be there but can’t quite remember yet. It makes me wonder, on subsequent play through a of the quests mecha-lotus is the one giving the Tenno commands. This could simply be a product of game design…. Or we really are replaying the quest, looping our memories back. Ordis had already demonstrated he has the ability to “play us” a soothing memory of the lotus after she leaves, what’s to say he isn’t helping us re-experience the quests. I had always assumed replaying the quests took place in a kind of irrelevant pocket dimension and it doesn’t actually happen within the world of warframe, but if it is happening again, albeit reconstructed from our memories, why would the Tenno keep doing it if not to search for information they don’t have. After all, we are the Tenno. When you think of it like that it raises a whole lot of questions. I’ll leave it to you DSiege.

Watching this back made me realize how much DE has improved their cutscene skills. This quest has so many awkward pauses. The overall voice acting improved a lot because there are some lines that just didn't sound right. Meanwhile back in the day when The War Within was released we actually thought the same compared to previous quests.

Excellent Video. It would be fantastic to see further development of the Queens, and maybe imagine them interacting the Star Map more like Lich Style. Grineer need a stronger Story Presence as well as Corpus moving forward, they need to be more than just enemies we wipe out. And it would be fascinating to see a Hive mind or something come out of the Infested, perhaps even at Odds with the void or something

Yaaas twins being the sign of the void taking someone over, hence wiping out or infesting twins.

I love your content, the pathways in which you think are often outside of my own and I find your viewpoints refreshing

I suddenly started to get your vids on my recommended list, and you, have singlehandedly made me revisit what I thought I knew about the lore. Excellent voice over, script and presentation. I'm looking forward to all the new releases for Warframe and the lore implications it has. You've earned yourself a viewer through and through.

I think Teshin took a liking to us when he was assigned as a mentor and trainer back when the Tenno were used as soldiers. Maybe the Orikon use and abuse of Tenno convinced him to try and save us when he could, when Margulis couldn't.

I love that we're getting answer to where our origins are and how things started. But I also wanna see DE move the story forward. To see what the Grineers and corpus are plotting after the new war. Their leaders thoughts on narmers. Who's trying to take control of the star chart after Ballas

Something I noticed in the video, when the Continuity fails, the Warframe drops into a pool of Kuva (blood), and rises out after the Tenno transfers back in. Almost like a baptism in (void) blood. Before the baptism, the tenno is but a feeble child. After, they begin to grow and become independent. It is also after this baptism that the man in the wall manifests within them for the first time. Just some interesting symbolism I picked up while watching your video (and somehow missed the last 3 times I experiance this quest lol). Also: Tyl Regor calling Teshin a “psudo-tenno” could just be an insult. As Tenno are considered to be the ultimate warriors, calling Teshin a “pseudo-tenno” could just mean “pseudo-warrior”. (Basically calling Teshin an obsolete old man lol).

3:00 the Operator as an angry demon/child, caged for millennia, now unleashed and letting loose - so epic. I wished they kept that option even after unlocking the focus schools (say you could still unleash your inner child, but can't freely switch for the next minutes thereafter).

Thank you for the constantly magnificent videos. A incredible video as always.

Minute detail but I'm pretty sure Lua was actually physically substantially *within* the void *and* masked while in there, meanwhile the Kuva Fortress remains in realspace, just constantly roving around using Void cloaking tech like the Orbiter.

Love your videos man, it feels like your the only youtuber who really delves into the lore and its in world implications

Let it never be said that that DE aren't absolute masters of voice effects for adding drama, War Within is a fantastic example of it

Wow i just did the kuria hunt like 5 days ago and now this

As always, as fantastic deep-dive into areas and, more importantly, the significance of those areas of the story that many of us, despite our best efforts, seem to miss! Thank you sir! I am super-rushed right now, so I won't elaborate too much (unlike me, I know!) but I have a couple of thoughts that may or may not already have been covered and may or may not be entirely obvious already! 1. "Kiddo" is what our father calls us. Is this because we are trying to achieve the same thing as the Queens, essentially resurrection? Is Wally our father? Oh my, did I just suggest that Entrati is our father?! 2. Our father speaks of "something is out there, hunting us" (or similar) - Is he referring to our mother? We know that the Void Angels were the ones howling and trying to "break through" - Are they breaking through a literal door, or are they breaking through a more metaphysical construct, like entering the void and coming for us? 3. Did our father survive the accident? Was he actually paranoid or was he right (or both!)? If he did survive it with his mind basically intact, which the above seems to suggest, can we assume that the reference to becoming "barren" when travelling through the void, which presumably relates to women only, is the case because women become Void Angels? Is the blue light the antithesis of the red light (Kuva)? Does this mean that the mothers on the Zariman became the antithesis of the Queens and were possibly trying to protect us from them rather than trying to harm us? If father WAS paranoid, was he wrong about their intentions? 4. OK, this went on too long for something that wasn't supposed to and it did get a little disjointed, I know, but I have so many thoughts right now (thanks mainly to you and your wonderful videos @TheDsiEGE!) and these are just a few of them. I really have ten times this right now, for the first time in a long time (perhaps since the Second Dream!) but I needed to get some of them out while they are fresh! Thank you for the work again! Love and light and good health to you and yours 💜

This man's back must hurt from carrying the entire warframe lore/theory community.

I just noticed this in the video, the one that said something watch us - is Rell, even the manner of speaking is him.

"was he throwing?" hmmmm tough to say.... was he trying? thats a better question

the queen "lost her head" is a metaphor, not necessarily get her head chopped off

The War Within quest is a point by point Hero’s Journey … One where the protagonist leaves their comfortable mundane world (Margulis’ First Dream scape) and eventually enters an underworld (the Yuvan Hall trial) because of a “real” world crisis (the Grineer queen’s plan to subsume the Operator). Along the way, the hero is aided by others by “chance” encounters (the many supporting characters we meet as we move through the Star Chart), but under the watchful eye of a stranger - a guide and sage mentor (Teshin) is the last “professor” and the Lotus serving as a “first-grade teacher of sorts) to emerge as a more actualized person, capable to contend with the threat in the “real”, external, world. Much like the rites of passage of many “primitive” cultures, this is the way a child, full of potential but untested, grows, transforms, to be a competent adult.

some small theory. Valeria is the worm queen we force him to kill.

While it is odd that Teshin can influence the mountain vision, his hate for the Orokin might not be so strange. If Varzia is to be taken as an indication, some Dax actually cared. Maybe it was something that came with age, as Umbra's son wasn't showing any signs of animosity (or cold reverence) towards Ballas. But what I gather from all this is that Dax were not just a rank, but a caste, a whole sub-race of humanity bred and engineered to be the sword for the Orokin. Obedience was bred into them, total obedience. The fact that Teshin was able to fight back by proxy at all might just show how much of an absolute unit that man was. At least that is the narrative I have chosen to create for myself in regards to his actions. Where every fiber of his being is screaming "TRAITOR!" and burning like the sun with him simply trying to give us the tools to fight back. And he powers through it without complaint, pomp or circumstance.

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Well done, as usual!

All hail our lord and savior. The lidless eye. The voided one. The man in the wall.

I think that the fall of the Orokin is far more complex than just a group of Warframes murdering the council and Orokin society on the celebration day after The Old War. Basically all factions we know would have liked to see the Orokin fall and the Tenno were willing instruments (and ignorant to the moral implications). Although I'm positive that not all of them would have supported the slaughter that happened, I'm betting that even the Dax weren't uniformly pro Orokin society. So there had to be plans and intrigues that had to evade the Orokin mind invading powers, which would explain Teshin's abilities.

Congrats on the sponsorship! This is definitely weird and interesting though I don't feel comfortable speculating on it.

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the way shin keeps popping up, has me wondering if he is another you. like some angel demon concept.... Shin the angel, Wall-E the demon. Teno the decider. Just some more food for thought. XD

I love Teshin, he’s my favorite character and I can’t wait to see how he fits in with the rest of the story

"but like, its Teshin so we kick the crap out off him super fast" 😂😂😂

my favourite quest in game. deep as always

And if you guys didn't notice at this point in the game (aka even in video at 19:10) the void like branches that came from the chair the operator was in disconnected by 2 Just saying :)

Imagine waking up, drinking some water and checking your phone and seeing that Siege has uploaded. What a way to start the day. Thanks for the upload

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Teshin Dax might not have been against the Death of the Orokin, as he saw what they did to their own soldiers and people. It's clear Teshin isn't loyal to the Queens, as they have to force his compliance. But I do think there is something more to him then we know. I mean he resides in Duviri, and he was seemingly around when the Orokin were, which is canonically 1000~2000 years ago(or more), meaning he either went into a stasis pod like Varzia. Notably, Varzia calls Teshin as the Tenno's "Uncle", which is a really weird thing to say if Teshin wasn't deeply involved with training the Tenno. I'd actually argue you should read what Varzia has said about a lot of things, lots of currently canon lore that could be hinting at the real future of Warframe, like that AMPS are from the Orokin Era as well, implying Our ability to leave Warframes wasn't a "new" skill.

thanks to you i want to go back to warframe again 😊

as someone who (sorta) quit Warframe around a year and a half ago, I quite enjoy the depth of these speculations, and all the unique observations. i'm once again playing casually every now and then. hoping the Whispers quest shows us a lot

I love the warframe quest (specially the cinematics) but they need to do a revoice over. At least the old ones

I don't think shes bringing back repressed memories. I think she's implanting memories. I believe she's trying to weaken your mind by creating mental instabilities to make it easier for her to insert herself into the holes

That power tenno flowing in mid air an was I had that power before it was made tenno to become human

7:55 voices here sound uncannily unfamiliar. Was it because music was muted and replaced with another track? Or did they change it too? Thanks for sharing! I didn't know much about queens so it was a great lesson. As with previous video, I'd view this as a bug/oversight. Missing material data would cause shader to render things black, but as its blending options seem to have been additive in this instance originally, black being added would be just completely transparent. How do ghosts on Lua look? I won't be able to check in a few hours

i would love to face the wurm queen again...and maybe, just maybe she might succeed on capturing one of the tenno and become her yuvan, i can imagine a deception in one of the mission where the wurm queen lied to us and ambush us to take revenge and revive the grineer queen as well...

Unrelated but I always wondered what was up with the Awakening Cutscene and New War cinematic trailers. The Operator in the trailer that's a stand-in for the player (controls Nova) is the same person who awakens the Warframe at the very beginning of the game (seemingly running away from the Grineer without a Warframe), but they can't be the player since the player awakens in The Second Dream. Is there a time loop going on? Is there another Tenno "main character" that isn't the player that's been active before TSD? Is this somehow the Drifter, even though the "default" Drifter in trailers is a guy who looks like Pedro Pascal?

The process of continuity sounds almost similar to how Orochimaru switchs bodys in Naruto. So maybe continuity doesn't destroy the vessels consciousness but simply shoves it in a corner of there own mind and the transfered consciousness moves in???

Damn, I forgot how flat the voice acting was in this quest.

So after a very long time of continuity, the orokin started hearing and seeing doppelgängers in the void? So then maybe when all those consciousness that were cast into the void because of the continuity they slowly became the man in the wall. Can the void differentiate between multiple entities?

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What interesting me most that the Queen is proclaim as a holder of the Kuva. But where is that Kuva actually come from? Does that relate to the blood of the Orokin itself?

Wonderfuel video. could be the "ghosts" at 29:05 - 29-10 i think is coused by new lighting as some time ago loki used to be just outline and his energy color now its translusent and more watery like light bending so i i think that could be couse its not looking same new lightning engine and upgrades to engine changed some of these things not by intention but by misstake?

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Pretty sure Gfuel isn't going to give my frame energy or my operator focus 😒

It's possible that Teshin was a Tenno that performed a continuity ritual... but so is an array of atomic particles sporadically forming a monkey

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Teshin is the best non teno character in my opinion

So, can anyone with good knowledge on the lore explain to me, why do we fight the dax in duviri? I do know that Duviri is a place that our drifter counterpart was stuck in after the zariman ten zero incident. Its a time loop of our own construct (correct me if im wrong). So if its a figment of our own imagination, why did we face daxes as our enemies? Arent they allies of the tenno? Or is Teshin the odd one? Im really confused. Mostly because ive only recently started delving into the warframe lore.

Question: Doesn't continuity require Blue Kuva, and Red Kuva to remain in the body? I mean we don't find out about Blue Kuva until the Naberus folktale, but I would think this quest would be updated to reflect that, no?

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Now that i think about it why didn't the queens used the janus key to become immortals and beings of the void?

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The music in the background is a bit annoying and it's too loud at times. it doesn't bother me to have music in certain parts of the vid but it's just annoying to have the same track on repeat for 30 min straight. Anyways, that was just a nitpick and some feedback. Great video as always siege!

I never understood why or how Teshin got to be on the side of the Queens.

i am hopeful DE don't fuk the lore up and keep going in the same direction . As always nice work sIEGE hope your kid is good now and ty for the videos.

I miss the iron man like, void unibeam

What Operator skin is that?

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I love the queens as characters and I wished they were used more although I also get why they aren't. Personally I always used to think they inhabited Grineer bodies because of availability. But yeah the Grineers influence is massive, they could've taken people from all of these hundreds of villages they occupied and slaughtered. And yes it kinda makes sense that it would be out of solidarity for the Grineer but in reality they don't really care the Grineer. It's more of trying to look like "One of them" just so they are more likely to obey and less likely to resist. The Grineer as we know it exists because they were a failed Orokin experiment that were treated like a joke by them and organized and rose up. It makes sense that the Queens took on their appearance because they would rather listen to one of their own than one of those that are responsible for their misery. And for the queens this made it easier to push this fascistic supriority complex onto to the Grineer without worrying that they might one day come after them. Which would be a worry for them if they didn't look like a Grineer. But by becoming a Tenno, they would be so powerful that no Grineer would even dare to resist considering that we slaughter millions of them eithout hreaking a sweat.

Are you in the DE team? if you are thank you if not how do you know all this stuff?

Why are we the only Tenno with a voice or presence in the story?

hmmm4_4 Goood show kinda nice

05:48 what do you mean? who?

Hey spaces dad

Bye that not really exciting anymore

what are the other dilogs at the end??/ i know the u are nothing without me , and this 1 , what took u so long ?. whats the 3rd ????

Love your videos man, it feels like your the only youtuber who really delves into the lore and its in world implications