Amazing video! Give us more race car build, workshop insight, alignement, before and after compare content! In other words, more specific petrolhead content!

B J, LOL

Ferrari is not so bad. Most find this to be pretty cool and several dealers in Europe are okay with Manthey doing setups.

@@AB-80X Ferrari is by far the most annoying company ever on this aspect, even lowering the car on the already given coilovers void the warranty. These cars are just so weird imho, like the engine and chassis etc are made to blast on track, but then the allignment, tune, and all the warranty stuff block it out. Its like Ferrari just wants their cars to sit in a garage for "investors" to make money!

@@yarniewullaert2025 You are wrong on that. Last week I had my 488 on the bench for allignment. Just prior to that, I had it balanced. I also run Pagid RSL1 pads and Surface Transforms brakes which I installed myself. On top of that, my dealer did my brake fluid flush and change to Castrol SRF fluid. No warranty issues what so ever and have never heard of warranties being void because of lowering. I use one of the largest dealers by the way. Are the issues you speak of from personal experience?

@@yarniewullaert2025 I will also point out that Ferraris are in fact not that track ready. My dealer discovered that my front bushes are in need of a change due to heat from the brakes. I'm sure Robert will encounter this at some point. I have more than 10000 track km on my 488, so I know its weaknesses. I also replaced the rubber brake lines with HEL braided PTFE lines - again no warranty issues. Ferrari has however agreed to replace my bushes under warranty.

Porsche not any better, first thing to do is proper alignment for any of the GT models.

This is why engineers are sent to Motortrend and others to set up the suspension correctly so they get good times. I think it should be done from Factory but whatever.

@@eichler721 just think about it,there are maybe 10 owners that took the car on the track(talking about the people that bought the pista) and maybe 8 out of them took it for a one time thing or they are not that fast....so sadly the car isnt for them and Ferrari knows this,and gives you the best experience on the road....sadly many of them are not even running on the roads and just sit but that is a completely different discussion

Geometry is a personal preference . There's hardly any car from factory that will suit people who knows how they like their cars to handle . That's the reason we do the Geometry which suits to us personally. It might not suit others.

@@TheLTcousins a Pista is faster then any other supercar on track except the GT2RS. The Pista beats the 720S do ya it is fast. And alot more then 8 people take it to the track. So you could say 8 out of 10 don't but it would help the handling for road use as well so no reason not to do it.

Thank you for the kind words and support:-)

I watched Misha fitst :-P

that makes two of us!!

haha enjoy the next 40 min!

@@RobertMitchell i surely will 👍

Thank you very much:)

I wouldn't use this guy as your guide for alignment. He doesn't genuinely seem to understand the real effects of toe in and toe out. He's also not really explained the link between camber and grip from front to rear. Toe in, is NOT a track alignment. Toe in is used for high speed straight line stability. It will make turn in lazier, slower and less keen. The whole point of toe out is that balancing it correctly, allows the inside and outside tyres to track the road correctly on turn-in. It has nothing to do with "dragging and making the car stable in a straight line". I actually have no idea why robert keeps going on about "toe out" making the car more stable in a straight line, it does literally the exact opposite of this. Toe out has the front wheels fighting each other and makes steering more twitchy, these are the downsides of the fact that it also allows for fantastic turn-in response on entry into a corner. Toe-In, increases straight line stability, but at expense of cornering grip and turn in sharpness. This guy needs to go learn about track alignments property, rather than repeating stuff he thinks he knows.

I hope you enjoy it!

Radio X and K-DST were the preferred radio stations of CJ :P

The fast steering is actually not bad, that's a very personal thing. But the understeer is pretty annoying.

too bad the current times dont allow me to say 'stop in say hi'!! Next time :)

Robert Mitchell so we can really look forward to these better times that we always have called „regular“ before.

Thank you for the kind words !

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@@RobertMitchell öhlins road & track. Do it Robert!

KW is absolutely the best investment I ever made with my GT3RS

@@49fiori How firm is it? I find the suspension on my 991.1 GT3RS to be pretty damn back breaking.

ABOlsen80X I would say it’s the same, any city ride is painful 😀

Thank you so much for the kind words! Hopefully I can keep up some solid content for you guys

Thank you so much for the kind words! Hopefully I can keep up some solid content for you guys :-)

Yes mm just a slip of words :-). Glad you’re enjoying the vids !!!

I may have to drop some rap some day. We shall see hehe

I think it’s the only next logical KZfaq step!

don't forget the compulsory wraping of the car, preferably in a flashy camouflage combination ;)

And please remove the back bumper :) :D

Thank you guys for the tips. April mods are now planned 🤣🤣

Also, can you please review the carporn fiberr interior trim 4 us Robert? Also, I have a Peugeot 207 1.4 and would like to know how many minutes I can save on my nurburing lap if I install carbon fiberr wrapped gear shifter? Many thanks!

Good comment

I think that not many people are adjusting these cars.. .quite limited unfortunately. I have learned that if you want to have true track cars, these are not the property base to get there

You would be shocked at how many cars, also "sports" cars don't allow for any or very little adjustment with stock suspension. Sadly when you watch review of a car like Pista you dont get a chance to see elements of suspension and underbody, so you don't get to see how many cars are equipped with camber plates etc.

Yes it would for sure cause an issue with warranty and I’m sure they’d even write me a letter telling me I ruined their car..... I think it’s not the platform for modding anyhow

Winning!!!!

If you are not first, you are not a true Russian

Using Robert's cheatcodes ey :D

Mine was rubbing on the top of the tire to the inner fender well:-). Not on the inside

Yes they are they are the standard wheels for the Pista.

This is all true DEPENDING on how the car is set up from the factory in my case the car is set way too high and even beyond their factory desired set up. (A mistake) There is always the point of Diminishing results as you mention but you’re assuming that we would have gone beyond that?! from what we measured another 7mm lower would have been ideal and would not have run the Control arms too low. My car came ready for Dakar Rally. . Of course in any set up you have to be reasonable. Also changing springs is not the answer. If you Lower too much with springs, it’s the same issue as your going to have as the geometry of the control arm change just the same. The only correct way to do it uf you really want to change The ride height dramatically and correctly is by using a shorter spring and relocating the mounting point of the lower control arm or by simply lowering the car with a drop Spindel. If your car is higher than optimal deign demands and you bring it lower to where it should have been then yes you will correct Te cog and yes you will reduce roll. I don’t want to be rude but suggesting a spring fixes the issue your implying we may have has is very wrong as that makes the problem even worse as it dramatically changes the geo of the lower control arm when you go too far. so a little more homework May be needed... or at least better clarification. Also: the car drives now 100 times better and in photos has noticeably less body roll. Go a few videos forward and the results are in I believe this is about the best that the Pista can get on stock components.

Well, first of all I can tell from your other video that you are an analytic driver, sort of ”dream driver” for the engineer. Second, everything I said stays put and everything you said is valid - most of the time. You may know that the RC in this kinda cars is lower at the front as at the rear. My preference is to keep the front RC above the ground level. Actually RC at the ground or at the proximity of it means that lateral and vertical loads are decoupled in the contact patch and it gives a nice turn in on uneven surface (given that your roll stiffness split is ok). I always try to get all the numbers and feed them to an excel sheet Ive done to see how the parameters affect (first in relation to ”handbook values” and ultimately to the roll stiffness ratio). Ive never really seen TUV accepted spindles with lowered pic up points. What it usually means they bespoke for racing purposes (given the regs allow). However, I noticed that the pic up points at the inboard of the Pista are half clever and actually might offer a way to lower the inboard points. But is it worth it? Most likely not as you are happy with the car now. Also consider what might have happened also is that lowering the car affected the roll stiffnes ratio between fr and r. About the toe-in/toe-out I agree with you. I dont think any car in the traffic should have toe-out at front as it makes a darty. Further more toe-out at fr usually helps only in the slowest corners - and if the car has an understeer characteristics. If you can load the rear tyres then you dont need toe-out even in slow corners. In an old fashioned rally car I can understand a desire to parallel steering so that front wheels do not create resistance while opposite steering. One more further thing about lowering the car is the aero. The Pista has a diffusor at the rear and they get progressively more efficient the closer ground you get (until they stall in a race car at close top speeds). Anyeway, I really enjoyed your video and the way you talk about driving and cars. (Yeah, Misha is doing a good job too). I have a 996 myself built for B-roads with Bilstein B16-kit, Powerflex polyurethane bushes, Eibach adjustable AR-bar at rear and OEM at front. I had the Eibach adjustable at front but it made the car too warp stiff for B-roads. Ive tried my car at 4 or 5 different ride heights. Conclusively it is now pretty much at the swweet spot for my driving profile. Im not totally happy with the front dampers though. The cut-off comes at too high piston speed (911 is quite easy to get bounncing at fr). Ok, this is all talk. What really matters is that driving is fun. I hope to come to Ring again one day. Ive only ever done three laps there - 16 years ago, in a Saab and I only got like 130 km/h out of it in the hill after Bergwerk. Given a similar car Im probably 60..90 seconds slower than you. Thanks for good entertainment.