Do These Mods Instead of a Supercharger / 8th Gen Civic Si 300HP NA Mods

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Our 2009 FA5 Honda Civic Si with a FD2 Type R Conversion and K24 engine swap has a Kraftwerks Supercharger that may not be the best mod we installed.
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@aMaff Ай бұрын

Any time we hear the catchy horns theme song come on (on yours, or any other video), my wife goes "Oh, are we watching "Canadians Building Hondas" today?" 😂😂

@k24hybrid Ай бұрын

Hahahah

@yihoonshin176 Ай бұрын

that’s so sweet!

@GermainQ84 Ай бұрын

I’m 39 and drive my 09 civic si with a supercharged k24a2 everyday to work. Car makes 390whp on pump gas. I love it. I drive it 50 miles each day. Never get old guys.

@AkilAmmon-iw2vu Ай бұрын

That's being content cuz that's my goal. Just a reliable rocket bunny.😅

@repingers9777 Ай бұрын

thats badass and you prolly still get remarks that its a civic and that you get good mpg lol im tired of hearing it myself. theres almost nothing economic about the si compared to the base model obviously. esp with that close ratio 6speed

@yaboirico5221 Ай бұрын

I just boosted my GT86 this weekend and its making 285 WHP. It doesn't feel like all that much and it's not like I even get to use all of it every day on my 30 minute commute. I also live in Texas and it got up to 91° today so that might be why it doesn't feel that good 😅 I'm tempted to go for the smaller pulley, loud BOV and E85 but all of that can wait for another year, I'll keep enjoying what I have right now. It's still not enough to get in big trouble but enough to feel like it's how it should've always been.

@repingers9777 Ай бұрын

@@yaboirico5221 also reliability man even NA those things are prone to engine failure, be careful homie 😭😭 i want a gt86 bad but i wish i could put my si's 9000rpm 240hp engine in it lol

@Gjon777 27 күн бұрын

What size tire do you run. I think the guys using 225 width tires is lame

@DestinysComputer Ай бұрын

Time to get rid of that GT wing and put the factory Type R wing.

@blunty96 Ай бұрын

Thiiiiissssss

@jp2246 Ай бұрын

Yes!!

@BigLoMayne Ай бұрын

For sure, street cars shouldn't have GT wings.

@Kurosaki990Ichigo Ай бұрын

Or even better a hybrid civic lip style little wing

@Androidfordays Ай бұрын

Mugen wing rep

@ConiferConnoisseur Ай бұрын

I definitely agree with NA for a daily/street car. Just more fun when you can rip hard and not be worried about going too fast.

@victorpla16 Ай бұрын

I have a 8th Civic SI w/ Kraftwerks and you are 100% right

@ehrenfoley Ай бұрын

Fellow middle-aged enthusiast. Agree 100% 😂

@rogermartinez78 Ай бұрын

I hear you, I am 51 and I still enjoy modifying my MK5 GTI and 2K all motor Nissan Maxima.

@Mr16bit Ай бұрын

Yep. You could beat on that all day long lots of full throttle everywhere.

@ricepony33 Ай бұрын

Speaking my language! Heavily modified Miata vs basically Stock one… gotta say the basic version is pretty much perfect.

@jesselee4405 Ай бұрын

Here here

@fernandososa5547 Ай бұрын

I 5th that

@AlexQuail Ай бұрын

380 through the front wheels is A LOT. This will make for a more enjoyable day-to-day driver. Source: approaching 40.

@youngmaestro4153 Ай бұрын

380 is at least 30 whp too much. 400 at the crank is maxing out what a fwd platform can handle, without completely losing driveability

@Vaino_Hotti Ай бұрын

I had a Volvo with ~250hp to the front wheels, that already was enough hp for that FWD car, loads of torque steer and poor traction without an LSD.

@thechillywinds5810 Ай бұрын

Not with rt660s it isnt. But I suppose not everyone wants to run a 200tw tire on a civic. Drives like a dream with the 660s tho

@Nitro-fu7rv Ай бұрын

@@Vaino_HottiI agree, 300whp in a sub 3000lb fwd car is plenty fun, I still get 30mpg when I don’t beat on it

@jesusiskingofkings4428 Ай бұрын

@@Vaino_Hottiso fun tho innit

@EP3Stuff Ай бұрын

40 years old here, I’ve had my Rotrex Supercharged EP3 (365bhp) nearly 10 years and wouldn’t go back NA. 😎

@alleybuilds5370 Ай бұрын

100% agree the only reason why they pulled the supercharger out was for financial reasons.

@RelayFFA Ай бұрын

@@alleybuilds5370 for the annual maintenance of keeping the supercharger? If so what would be the difference in maintenance between NA and supercharged ?

@SR22VET-S15 Ай бұрын

Loved my jap spec ep3. Ran it with a 24 bottom end as opposed to forced induction. Have since moved to an fn2r and with the extra weight, it has crossed my mind to turbo or supercharge it.

@alleybuilds5370 Ай бұрын

@@RelayFFA nothing to do with maintenance everything to do with resale value. they are selling the car and realize they will get more money if they sold the supercharger by itself. and the car by itself.

@paullewis7287 Ай бұрын

@@SR22VET-S15I've had a few boosted hondas now. A turbo dc2 type r at 320hp a Jackson racing supercharged jdm dc5 type r and for the last 6 years a supercharged fn2 type r at 340hp. Honestly I prefer supercharged for the linear power delivery and instant throttle response. Dont worry about heat anywhere near as much compared to turbo and no big torque spikes to worry about loss of traction as much. I'm even on oem clutch for 6 years now and do the occasional bit on track too

@CDOES Ай бұрын

Keep the fa5 content coming! I once seriously thoughts if selling mine. But everything I get in it I'm reminded of how good of a all rounder it is.

@PANTYEATR1 Ай бұрын

As a middle-aged enthusiast, i can co-sign that in some cases "less is more", however i have learned that balance is everything! I'll reference again the classic "Best Motoring" video that shows the white Supra against the Skylines around the track with pro drivers. Personally, i would have kept the supercharger and balanced the car to work with and as a supercharged car. Love the content guys🏆💪

@elliottb7009 Ай бұрын

this just shows how good honda engines are with some light modifications. i would love to see some of the v6 done up.

@stevenle1986 Ай бұрын

Also approaching middle age and power is overrated when you consider worry free driving enjoyment

@ricepony33 Ай бұрын

I love not ever looking at my AFR gauge :)

@ChoPi-Eww Ай бұрын

Approaching middle age is definitely overrated

@CrossWindsPat Ай бұрын

Im disappointment. I was so in love with the way you guys so cleanly trimmed the hood and had just a sliver of supercharger showing while still being under the hood line! All she needed was some wider tires all around. I feel like 255 square should be a common setup. But I digress. If you are really gonna street it all the time an commute this does make a ton of sense. Plus 240 wheel is definitely no slouch!

@xtrag00d Ай бұрын

this content makes me miss my FBO FA5 so much.. had it tuned by Nick as well, great guy!

@calebz5890 Ай бұрын

I love the practicality of this channel. Of course 1,2,3k hp is insane and those videos get views but those cars are a money pit and unrealistic for 99% of people.The builds on SA are attainable for the average car enthusiast.

@silverbulletS197 Ай бұрын

Good morning SA! It seems more enjoyable without the S/C. You can rip thru gears and play with the throttle a lot more without the constant burning of rubber. I believe you guys made the right choice!

@daniell4711 Ай бұрын

Saturday morning coffee with Speed Academy makes it a good morning for also this middle aged enthusiast ☕

@jacoblacroix9024 Ай бұрын

Dave great job !! Love it’s all motor sounds really good it’s more street able to enjoy as a daily driver! Keep up the great videos

@garage16shop Ай бұрын

What a beautiful build! Glad the injectors worked out well!

@N0ENEMIES Ай бұрын

A buddy of mine had a supercharged S2k that he was track racing and actually ended up going back to NA for the next season because with the supercharger it was just overpowered. Ended up doing better with the na setup that season.

@blunty96 Ай бұрын

Im in love with this video❤ I just swapped my FA5 with a K24A JDM Im FBO just need to put the k20z3 head back again This setup is lit❤

@ChurchAutoTest Ай бұрын

Glad to see you guys thriving up North. Congrats on nearly 650k subscribers. I always say add power until you reach the limits of the chassis/tire. With light FWD cars on street tires, that's a pretty low limit. 250-300 whp is probably that limit for most people. Even the newer CTRs with much better suspension design start to become a handful on street tires above 350-400 whp.

@celloasis Ай бұрын

Honestly I love the 8th gen civic si and seeing you build the supercharger set up was awesome and I’m glad I’m now seeing an all motor set up really love seeing this car on camera

@seethruhead7119 Ай бұрын

Spent the day at TMP only to get home to watch some Speed Academy!

@captainobvious9188 Ай бұрын

The boost curve from a centrifugal supercharger makes you use more throttle at the bottom of a pull, but as the rpms climb the boost also climbs (exponentially) and “blows the tires off” the car. It is especially pronounced on FWD with street tires.

@josephmatuszak3855 Ай бұрын

More Power = More Problems. Just a fact. The more strain you put on parts to sustain that power, the lower the lifetime expectancy. And the other train of thought... Driving Overpowered cars = Chore .... Driving Underpowered cars = space to have fun.... not running out of road or fighting for traction.

@jesusiskingofkings4428 Ай бұрын

Yup

@Johnman5757 Ай бұрын

I wanted a krafwerks sc for my DC2 for the longest time but ended up having King Motorsports build me a spicy 84.5mm bore b18c1 that makes 240whp/161wtq on e85. I am very happy I went the NA route, as it’s more than enough power for a good time! K power in a B series package and it just fits the character of the car perfectly.

@mrphiscal Ай бұрын

I’m of the mindset that i should have gotten better with a crv all wheel drive setup with the supercharger,maybe that should be another video suggestion

@Oborowatabinostk Ай бұрын

AWD supercharged making 380 would be really rowdy 🔥

@CrossWindsPat Ай бұрын

Way too complex, expensive and heavy. All they needed was a 255 square setup on some nice 300 tread wear tires and maybe lowering the boost a bit if required.

@benjbsn2429 Ай бұрын

@@CrossWindsPat 255/35R18 200TW tires + add an external wastegate on the charge pipe plugged into a 4-port solenoid (boost by gear setup) Problem solved ✅

@robracesandrebuilds6499 Ай бұрын

This was absolutely the move DP, good choice. Would love to see its send-off be @ TMP. Compare the lap times to when it was supercharged

@uprawk13 Ай бұрын

love this car. good job guys!

@ChrisLowpes Ай бұрын

Such a beautiful build 🥹

@sandygarage3802 Ай бұрын

I'm 43 & have a fwd SR20DE+T . I like the sounds the turbo🐌 makes......stututu🙂. Doubling the hp made the car more fun to drive.

@jeffreylyons1531 Ай бұрын

I had a 5th gen Camaro, did normal bolt on and really enjoyed the car, put a supercharger on and never really enjoyed it after. It was a blast in a straight line but it took the sportiness away. I drove it to the dealer with the mods all removed to trade it and actually missed how the car was in stock form.

@jackweta Ай бұрын

that hybrid intake is killing it! I have hybrid CAI on my K24 EP3 & it is awesome

@Alanvictoryoung Ай бұрын

Cool comparison!

@craigsawyer6453 Ай бұрын

Teaching the car to talk. Love the Civic, great series.

@hellfire08 Ай бұрын

I did the comptech kit on my 8th gen. Making about 330whp. It was a beast and the whine was intoxicating. Roots style blowers are way better than centrifugal blowers.

@marzelluspinder3190 Ай бұрын

Why are they better?

@rawrmadmonkey Ай бұрын

Roots style blowers have a lot of inherent problems. Biggest being overheating.

@lafave2555 Ай бұрын

@@rawrmadmonkey Mercracing has pretty much solved all the cooling issues for all the common k series roots blowers

@hellfire08 Ай бұрын

@@marzelluspinder3190 I had a centrifugal blower in my S2k for 5 years making 423 whp, and the roots blower in my daily driver civic si for 3 years making 330whp so I have a lot of experience with both types of blowers. I preferred the roots blower because it had instant power at lower RPM. With the centrifugal you have to be up in the rpm before it really starts to make boost and pull. Also the roots blower sounded sick revving out to 8600rpm. Here’s an old video which I will not confirm nor deny if it was me for obvious reasons. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oZlpid2l37HKYmw.htmlsi=X7pu2hRtrcvmBDUi

@hellfire08 Ай бұрын

@@rawrmadmonkey I had less noticeable power loss from my roots blower over my centrifugal. Both were running larger air to water heat exchanger setups.

@ChrisHale0629 Ай бұрын

I always thought that the supercharger wasn't the correct fit for that car. I really think that this is the perfect setup for this car.

@evo80hd Ай бұрын

Not surprised at all; I had a crx back in the day that made 300whp and in a street race would get beat by anything from a dig. Highway and the track with r compounds was different but 245whp on that chassis sounds perfect. 👍

@dkBybee Ай бұрын

Such a great car! I love my 197ish hp 8th gen Si coupe. Just put Micheline Pilot Sport 4S tires on and really enjoying it.

@sergiopereira9546 Ай бұрын

i have a second gen IS 2.2 turbodiesel ( europe only) its making about 200 crank 330lbs with short gears (230kmh top speed) out of a 6 speed manual and i completly understand your point . Even tho my car is heavy with the few handling mods i have (coilovers, sway bars , wheels and tires , bigger brakes) its still fun to drive specially on the mountains were the torque from the diesel engine and the short gearing really help the car uphill. Theres always the right road for the right car

@MrCrowley925 Ай бұрын

As a fa5 owner and 42 year old I still want the SC lol 😂

@johnu808 Ай бұрын

Your Honda collection is 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻

@38tech Ай бұрын

Also as a middle aged enthusiast I too agree, sometimes less is better. Waiting patiently for that Miata build.

@johnfelix5622 4 күн бұрын

34 yo and I love my FA5 and the most I’m doing is just a k24 swap the torque on the lower end is much more useful (and fun) in my opinion for where I live at. 250hp FBO and a tune is the goal and that’s it!! Still keep the ac, and all the creature comforts! And I’m okay sacrificing the the quiet cabin for a lil vibrations!

@g6et_wrx177 Ай бұрын

Great choice going back to N/A. Perfect amount of power!

@JDM_DAISUKI Ай бұрын

What a great result!! Have to say was expecting nick to flick the Honda badge and say in ASMR voice “Honda” when he was strapping it down 🤣

@esobeegarage Ай бұрын

Pete's genuine reaction on that first pull after the dyno says it all! The perfect Civic maybe?

@scottellis6438 Ай бұрын

I have a kraftwerks civic I’ve put thousands of miles on it and my wife drives it too it’s incredible. If you don’t wanna rip the tires off you pedal it or shift up the power is always there if/when you want it and if you don’t want it you can drive out of boost easy. I added a rfl blow off valve so every gear change is fun and sounds cool. To each his own!

@mursetvlogs5717 Ай бұрын

Or they could put a bigger pulley and turn the boost down. In my opinion, this is a downgrade but it’s whatever.

@dancarlos1216 Ай бұрын

@@mursetvlogs5717 They are going to sell it, and make more money selling the SC separate. Probably

@mursetvlogs5717 Ай бұрын

@@dancarlos1216 ooo, yea that makes sense too. I figured a lot of their projects they always end up selling anyway since you never see them again

@tigerrider6711 Ай бұрын

Why would I buy a civic to pedal it and shortshift? I want to be matted and banging gears every single drive.

@seethruhead7119 Ай бұрын

You guys should install an ecu controlled wastegate on the charge pipe. So your tuner can limit you boost by whatever values he wants. Like limit it per gear, limit in per mode setting, etc. Seen a couple guys doing this lately and it's really neat

@ianfeit8760 Ай бұрын

Where have you seen this? I’m interested for my fg2 with a kraftwerks .

@seancarvalho6518 Ай бұрын

After owning a Lancer (not Evolution) that made 320whp / 304wtq which never hooked up, even after an LSD install, I think you guys absolutely made the right decision here. Great video!

@boyflexnv Ай бұрын

I’m 26 and i turned down my 430hp AWD rsx down because I didn’t need that power on a street daily driver.

@jeanbaker6638 Ай бұрын

I'm still at the beginning of the video and I already agree. Nothing like NA. Beautiful engine bay. Compliments the cars looks.

@ACCORDriver_NL 21 күн бұрын

For not being a true FD2, you guys did it the right way to being close to identical to a true FD2. I would LOVE to own one.

@Geo-Media 24 күн бұрын

41 yrs old, just got a FA5 7 months ago, i also have a Fb6 si as well. Just simple bolt ons and a tune on either one of them is enough. 😊

@Mustardmartin Ай бұрын

Damn I am so stoked you guys did this was a little bummed it was a Type R rep in the beginning because I think that means absolutely has to be NA HAS TO BE !! I thought maybe supercharged might make that extenuated but NA is best you guys know!!

@samkim6889 Ай бұрын

Great choice. I didn't like the idea of having to cut out holes in the hood to fit that supercharger and also never liked staggered wheel/tire setup. Now it's more suitable for the streets like you've mentioned; more practical in a good way. Maybe fix that hole on the hood and a more subtle spoiler and it would be perfect. Love watching you guys wrench on the Hondas! PS. noticing a bit of rattling noise in idle.

@scooterbobscout Ай бұрын

I would LOVE to do this to my 06 k24 accord. Itd be such a sweet sleeper and plus it looks so beautiful under the hood

@ekjuan123 22 күн бұрын

Yes Wise Discussion 🔥🔥🔥

@garage2track Ай бұрын

As a 40 year old owner of a K20Z3 swapped EK, I say NA just works. I love this take, great episode!

@victorpla16 Ай бұрын

I have a 8th Civic SI w/ Kraftwerks in 225 tires and I agree ! Always spinning and every time I drive I feel I am going to jail.

@Rx7TyreBurna Ай бұрын

Lower power isn't bad. Miata is a ton of fun, FRS/BRZ/GR86 is fun. They don't have high power but still great. FWD has special challenges in grip due to weight transfer to back tires... I have a fast car I can't really use anywhere. It sits in the garage and comes out a few times during the summer. So, cutting back the power to have something fun to get around in without going to jail is good.

@victorbernabe4294 Ай бұрын

Simplicity works every-time, i prefer that engine setup with a set of drag cartel stage 4 camshafts and head package.

@TURBOTRISTO Ай бұрын

Depending on your application it’s actually better if you are just after power then turbo is the only way but for circuit racing supercharger is the best option

@Edge5055 Ай бұрын

Wisest decision ever. I build my K20 without the k24. Got the Brian crowder light weight striker, 87mm pistons, BC stage 3 cams. Running 2.2L. Having the extra power and torque balancing with the cars setup it’s super fun to drive. I’d post pics but don’t think I can on here.

@Edge5055 Ай бұрын

My setup is FD2R and live in Japan. My numbers were 260hp and 178

@johnielfigueroa2755 Ай бұрын

Hey, I got a few questions, on that supercharged setup, if you go to a lower hp tune, would it be more fuel efficient?

@Promisedland_garage Ай бұрын

Nothing like a N/A vtec k series , that’s enough great power , kids these days think 500whp is low is crazy

@curtisfeltis8183 Ай бұрын

K20/24 way to go.. it’s the setup in my 03 rsx-s.. with 2.2 dc cams and e85 with dc Creations intake I made 256 and it’s crazy quick!

@jaybrower7200 Ай бұрын

Cool build my friend! I wonder why not just detune the supercharger build to make around 300 since it's already there and all.

@wa4852 Ай бұрын

I miss multiple videos per week from you guys. I’m guessing life has gotten in the way

@hondaboyz213-cj2og Ай бұрын

Well yet again another awesome Civic Honda project going from fun and fast to slow and though hey what can you do their car their money

@TomLichti Ай бұрын

Nice build, I was curious what you were going to do with it. It's still faster than Pete's BM though! 😂

@miggulknight Ай бұрын

That’s what the k24 bottom end is for. TORQUE!!! Adding the k20 head for high end power and you have consistent power throughout the power band

@theavielashow3551 26 күн бұрын

by replacing the driver side seat. need to put resistor for side seat airbag?

@SelfMadeThousandaire Ай бұрын

Love to see a mild NA build on this motor.

@zakstroup Ай бұрын

I’d buy it right now! Chefs kiss if you put the factory spoiler on

@EpicBurnReturn Ай бұрын

Love it!!

@therealboofighter Ай бұрын

I hope you do a SW20 MR2 some day.

@brandon_buildsDIY Ай бұрын

Me too buddy me too, I have one myself.

@Gabriel83580 24 күн бұрын

This is why the high majority of the builders that work on civics in Japan, especially Osaka,they love keeping their civics NA regardless of the engine type. Just good old full engine builds and tunes, very reliable as well.

@jonacton6837 Ай бұрын

I thought y’all sold this car. Nice to see you mod it make it an awesome daily.

@k24hybrid Ай бұрын

Question: what was the injector size/cc when it made 380 HP (supercharged)? Thanks.

@martylee9035 Ай бұрын

Change the wheels and tires and keep the supercharger with less boost FOR CHRIST SAKE!! REMOVING THE SUPERCHARGER???!! WTF

@thechillywinds5810 Ай бұрын

Right. I have 225/45/17 rt 660s on my si making 370whp. Its a perfect daily driver. Only time it breaks traction is absolutely flooring it in 1st or 2nd. Cant even tell the car is making 370.

@tigerrider6711 Ай бұрын

Can’t beat the crap out of a car with 400whp, waiting for the power is part of the fun.

@pinkstars2185 Ай бұрын

N/A is the way to go. Was hoping for some cams but it has the get up and go as is

@user-xt5js3qi9q Ай бұрын

Nice choice 👍

@kspec6131 Ай бұрын

The old motor setup is great for swapping into rear wheel drive cars like the lotus Elise, mr2, and such. When you're sticking with front wheel drive setups, there are unfortunately limitations.

@JamesAnderson-fw5ew Ай бұрын

Is there a way to do boost by gear? It could help on traction with power for straights

@whorok305 Ай бұрын

Its perfect. Overall better balanced.

@EddyEP2 Ай бұрын

Such a beautiful car…and NA is the way to go I think for a streetcar, really enjoyed the episode gents🤘🏻

@Dirtyz1234 Ай бұрын

I've become a lot more mindful of sticking to an intended purpose for a car as I've gotten older. My daily, turbo E46 has a respectable amount of power for the streets. But not enough to overpower the chassis/tires. It's still enough to play with the Hellcats and ZL1s though 😅

@renjamun Ай бұрын

Do you remember the spring rates on the annex coils?

@wheats0276 Ай бұрын

The best setup was the CT Engineering or old school Jackson Racing Eaton/M62 root style superchargers. Anywhere from 280-350whp depending on other mods/cooling. Its very simple AND the old Eaton units are as reliable as the Honda motor itself.

@Fyxxterzc Ай бұрын

Ive found myself in this state of mind. My k swap is plenty but I want more at times. Not in normal driving situations, its perfect there. Thought about trying nitrous.

@Stratos1988 Ай бұрын

I feel you could've gone for some 3d printing on this episode. Hood vent is right next to intake plenum. It could make for a short run and some proper intake noise.