What became of Jephthah's daughter?

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(Rebuttals Sushi no. 316 - Reviewing the 151st Gilead Graduation - Part 1) Governing Body helper Gajus Glockentin uses his talk at the 151st Gilead graduation to double down on an obvious example of the New World Translation Bible being doctored to make it more palatable.
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@paulhyde1834 2 жыл бұрын

I fell for the WT version, hook line and sinker.... It was only Richard Dawkins' book ' The God Dellusion' that made me check other translations!! Thanks, Lloyd...

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

Now that you're here, check out Numbers chapter 31 where Moses tells the Israelites to kill all the males and all the males amongst the little ones. And kill all the females that are not virgin. To do so would require examination of all the females to see if their hymens were intact. After killing all and only saving the virgins there are 32,000 virgins. Moses says that there should be a heave offering. In other words a certain percentage heaved off the total for sacrifice. This tax, this offering to Jehovah amounts to 32 virgins. Now some would vehemently argue that they did not sacrifice The virgins but if you read the text you will see that it's clear. These Israelites soldiers just killed all males including baby boys and examined and killed all women who are not virgin. Thousands of people... What's a mere 32 virgins to be sacrificed?

@Rangerman9404 2 жыл бұрын

If I was his daughter, I would have given that same speech, but I never would have returned from my trip

@ManuelLabor142 2 жыл бұрын

It’s as plain as day, they’re liars. They are from the Father of the lie and they have nowhere to hide whilst Lloyd Evans continues to shine a light on them. Great work Lloyd, you terrible apostate😂👍

@morningglory9288 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah the Father of the lie is Satan. Jesus did not pray to the Father as depicted in the bible, but he actually acknowledged the true God of LOVE, this being his heavenly MOTHER. Because Jehovah inspired men to pen the bible, naturally he'd fabricate the scriptures to promote himself as the true God effectively deceiving all of Christianity into worshipping him.

@gbunting7905 2 жыл бұрын

I can see Mr Glockenspiel becoming a member of the Governing Body, even if he pronounces the "T" in "often". He is such a good company man who would guarantee the organisation continues its present trajectory

@trishayamada807 2 жыл бұрын

The often T is a big fight in my house. I point out that they don’t say lisTen or sofTen. Maybe not saying the T is old school but the T in often is nails on a chalkboard to me.

@loriw2661 2 жыл бұрын

Glockenspiel……🤣😂🤣😂

@dieterschwarz317 2 жыл бұрын

@@loriw2661 good old German

@marysanders4649 2 жыл бұрын

Great explanation of story

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

And now take a look at Numbers chapter 31. Moses tells the Israelites soldiers to kill all the males including baby boys. And to kill all the females that are not virgin. This would mean the forcible examination to see if their hymens were intact. 32,000 virgins were preserved alive out of hundreds of thousands of people slain. Moses said take a heave offering from The spoils of War. Humans and livestock. A heave offering is a percentage heaved off the whole. A tribute, a tax. 32 virgins were to be heaved out. The high priest in charge of the sacrifices was no cattleman. Humans and livestock given to him were for the sacrifices. While some may argue that they weren't sacrificed, the text is clear. Read it in other Bible translations as well. Keep in mind that the Israelites had just killed all the little boys and baby boys and they had forcibly inspected and killed any female that was not virgin, what is just a mere 32 virgins to sacrifice after killing all those others?

@youcanstickit 2 жыл бұрын

Lol, yep, I had a discussion, with the lady I studied with, over this story. They insist she went into service and nothing , in that story, says that. Her father sacrificed her, but they can't have Jehovah looking like a big bully or like a pagan god, lol.

@florian8599 2 жыл бұрын

The thing is: God _didn't demand_ of Jephthah to sacrifice his daughter. He made that decision all on his own. Jephthah wasn't even really chosen by God as a Judge, but was practically appointed by the tribe. That his sacrifice of his daughter violates the ban on human sacrifices in the laws of Moses is actually a plotpoint made by the Deuteronomistic Historians: Even the Judges get worse and worse and forget that Jahwe is different from the Canaanite gods.

@solidsnx 2 жыл бұрын

@@florian8599 You know... maybe Yahweh could have stopped it, like he did Abraham. I mean, even Abraham received the commandment and went to do it. If Yahweh really didn't want it, the very demand wouldn't have been made. "I don't want child sacrifice, but I'm going to demand it just to make sure you are obedient." That is one of the sickest and most cruel things ever written, and yet instead of questioning it, millions of people believe it's one of the best stories. When Jephthah made the vow, a prophet couldn't come and tell him "uh... God doesn't want to sacrifice anyone, what's wrong with you?" Don't use hindsight to not allow yourself reasoning.

@scienceexplains302 2 жыл бұрын

@@florian8599 Judges 11:29 _Then _*_the spirit of Yahweh came on Jephthah_* Yahweh’s spirit was in Jephthah at the time of the vow

@greyberet1 2 жыл бұрын

@@scienceexplains302 So are you suggesting that Yahweh deliberately manipulated Jephthah into making a vow that would result in his sacrificing the life of his own daughter? Just curious…

@scienceexplains302 2 жыл бұрын

@@greyberet1 That is what the text implies, or at least is a logical conclusion from the text. I don’t think any of it necessarily happened.

@graytonw5238 2 жыл бұрын

I always had trouble with this one myself. One, the idea that Jephthah could "make a deal" with God to gain victory in the battle in exchange for offering up whoever came out of the house upon his return. So God granted Jephthah victory because of that, rather than because it was his will and that he should have been fighting for the Israelites anyway?? Two, the wording, as Lloyd pointed out. Jephthah didn't say that he would offer up whoever came out first as someone who would dedicate his or her life in service in the temple, but as a burnt offering. That's pretty straightforward, and the NWT and the organization have gone to great lengths to spin the account to their interpretation. And three, was Jephthah that stupid or impulsive as to not think of the possibility that it would be his daughter or another loved one who would be first to greet him on his return?

@JohnDoeSchmoe 2 жыл бұрын

If anything, God, who allegedly sees everything (also in future), should have told Jephtah _"No, what you are suggesting is wrong, I do not want anyone who may come out of your house as an offering, in any way shape or form, but I will help you because you showed a willingness to make a sacrifice."_ Sorta like Abraham was willing to kill his son, but didn't have to go through with it in the end. Both horrible stories IMO, but there you go.

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

And now take a look at Numbers chapter 31. Moses told the Israelites to slaughter all the males including the male babies and to slaughter any woman or girl that was not virgin. Of course this would require inspecting each woman to see if her hymen was intact. Moses then said to take a heave offering for Jehovah out of all The spoils of War. A heave offering is a certain percentage that is heaved off the whole. A tax. A tribute. This was given to the high priest in charge of the sacrifices. The high priest was no herdsmen, the cattle that were given to him were "given to him" in charge of sacrificing them. Now, some would argue that the 32 virgins we're not sacrificed. However we must keep in mind even though a careful reading of the text makes it clear enough, but we must keep in mind that the Israelites just got done killing hundreds of thousands including male babies and little boys and all women that were not virgins. What's a mere 32 virgins to sacrifice?

@abacaxiveer 2 жыл бұрын

She is just living on a farm upstate.

@aaronwood8012 2 жыл бұрын

The admonishing against child sacrifice to false gods was about it being to false gods - not that it was a sacrifice.

@b.w.7588 2 жыл бұрын

Aaron Wood, Apparently, Jehovah is okay with Jephthah sacrificing his daughter as a burnt offering to him, but the Israelites will be subject to punishment if they dare to sacrifice their children to "false gods". Well, what's more important, Jehovah? That people are sacrificing children to "false gods", or that children are being killed in ritualistic sacrifices?" I wouldn't care about the fact that children were being sacrificed to other gods that supposedly don't exist, I would care more about that fact that children are even being ritualistically murdered as a sacrifice in the first place.

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@davidmay3042 2 жыл бұрын

If there is one story that shows the Bible in its true perspective,this is it. A God who can be bribed withe the promise of a sacrifice and expects the full price resulting in the horrific death of an innocent for allowing the father more time to do a bit of slaughtering How uplifting

@chrissyparkins1615 2 жыл бұрын

The realization that the story I was told was a lie honestly devastated me. That was my favorite Bible story growing up. Thanks for ruining it, fellas.

@chrissyparkins1615 2 жыл бұрын

But I’m sure glad to know the TRUTH now!!

@drivermilioner1884 2 жыл бұрын

Hehe u will see more history like this 😇

@dmts8098 2 жыл бұрын

Samuel was also ‘given’ to Jehovah. Read 1 Samuel.

@zzaproot 2 жыл бұрын

@Jose Salas Also another tale about a woman/girl who’s name isn’t as important as their father’s.

@greyberet1 2 жыл бұрын

@Jose Salas Just another way of expressing the advice (quite important to follow in life): look before you leap, haste makes waste, and other ways to say it, etc.

@rogerramjet4997 2 жыл бұрын

What do expect from one of if not the most violent sadistic book to be written. If Jehovah did write it who would want anything to do with that or anyone that believes in such nonsense. Glad I left and took my family with me.

@jaflenbond7854 2 жыл бұрын

@Jephthahs_Daughter 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I can attest that I was indeed sacrificed/killed to YAHWEH. Thanks for nothing Dad. Oh, and what happens in the woods stays in the woods. 😉

@yeisonalvarez5776 2 жыл бұрын

Cool comment from Jephthah's daughter herself.

@danielwp5347 2 жыл бұрын

Seems legit.

@rosssmith8481 2 жыл бұрын

I always wondered about that pronunciation. you know. Yahweh. like Yahwehosaphat. I looked into it and learned from Jewish scholars, that it's actually pronounced Yahovah.

@Vicki_Benji Жыл бұрын

Message here: "Do what you are told without question."

@megan148 2 жыл бұрын

What Lot said to his daughter is similar to my Dad telling my family members that his heart is broken because I “want nothing to do with” him. When in reality what he means is, I want nothing to do with the organization and he’s shunning me because of that (eyeroll)

@Zebboho 2 жыл бұрын

Wish I knew this when I was still in the organization. I told some of the elders I was gay and I was struggling a lot and arguing with them it is impossible to live like this, and this is the one story they always used as “encouragement”, “if jephtas daughter could do service in chastity rest of her life, so can you” God I hated this story, wish I could have argued that they twisted the words of it back then.

@dinara_safina 2 жыл бұрын

I'm so sorry for what you went through. It makes me sick to think that others are still going through the same. Your strength in getting out is to be commended. I know it's not easy.

@mystiquemoon6513 2 жыл бұрын

When my son came out as Gay, I began my research of the organization, and I discovered the lies, the deceit, and the discrimination displayed in the organization, I regained my freedom from this cult, my son coming out having the courage to free himself , resulted in the whole family being freed from this cult. Although I’ll never get back all the years wasted following this cult,I can prevent my children from wasting theirs. Hang in there, you are truly loved❤️

@morpheus5302 2 жыл бұрын

@@mystiquemoon6513 Wish my mother did the same

@mystiquemoon6513 2 жыл бұрын

Surround yourself with people who love you. If you ever need someone to talk to I am here for you young man

@mystiquemoon6513 2 жыл бұрын

@@morpheus5302 If you need someone to talk , I’ll talk with you. You are not alone❤️

@trishayamada807 2 жыл бұрын

Funny thing how the daughter has no rights and she supposedly breaks her father’s heart for doing absolutely nothing wrong. What a horrible story.

@scienceexplains302 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it’s her fault that Yahweh and her father were going to burn her

@scienceexplains302 2 жыл бұрын

@@davidclover2248 That was generally how societies functioned - against women - then. It’s not specific to Israelites. And it’s a terrible guide for modern societies

@morpheus5302 2 жыл бұрын

@@scienceexplains302 "societies" didn't function against women. But Abrahamic religions were (and still are) particularly hard on women, and yes, they are a terrible guide for modern societies.

@scienceexplains302 2 жыл бұрын

@@morpheus5302 In the sense that societal norms dehumanize and brutalize women, societies function against women. Please clarify your claim that they do not. Are you saying they aren’t always and in every way against women? I would agree with that

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

And now take a look at Numbers chapter 31. Moses instructs the Israelites to kill all the males including baby boys and also to kill all the females which are not virgin. This would require examination of these women and girls to see if their hymens were intact. Moses instructs that there be a heave offering to Jehovah. That is a certain percentage of the whole is heaved off for sacrifice. These virgins were given to Elliezar the high priest in charge of sacrifices. He was also given other animals for sacrifice. He was no herdsman, what would he do with all that many cattle and livestock and virgins. Now some would vehemently argue that the 32 virgins were not sacrificed. However, the text is clear but we also must keep in mind that these Israelites just slaughtered hundreds of thousands of males including baby boys and women that were not virgin. What's a mere 32 virgins to be sacrificed?

@coffespewer 2 жыл бұрын

Mind blown ...how many times parents " dressed up " children as this character for theme parties...

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

Now go read Numbers chapter 31 and the sacrifice of the 32 virgins.

@bmonster 2 жыл бұрын

To be honest this was a story I never thought much about. I took the explanation I had been given my whole life without much hesitation. The 2 that always caused me to question things were Lot willing to give up his daughters to a bunch of rapists and Jehovah being merciful allowing David and Bathsheba to live by killing the baby. I had an elder tell me in regards to Lot "look at what his daughters did to him anyway, it's possible Lot knew their hearts were bad". So we give up our children to be raped because they may or may not turn out bad later but still try to save them from death by getting them out of the city God is destroying? The elder told me that Lots story was always used as an example of faith and I needed to try to view it that way. I replied well him and Abraham were willing to sacrifice their children in one way or another and they were praised for it but I wouldn't be willing to do that to my kids if God asked me to or to protect a couple circuit overseers from a mob or whatever. He said it's because we are further away from perfection so we can't see justice the way jehovah does. SMH And the pioneer sister who explained David's baby dying said that sin demanded blood to be repaid and it was better for the kingdom to allow David to keep ruling than to put him to death so the child was the price of blood. This was all pre Jesus sacrifice so things were different and the law required it. I couldn't get past how David could always repent for his sins but people around him died for his mistakes and how it was "good for the kingdom" if God foretold that his family would be divided and his son would try to take the kingship away from him anyway. So I argued this. She said well we don't know if there was something wrong with the baby that it wouldn't have lived anyway. I gave up here. I am interested to know what kind of explanation those two witnesses would offer for Jepthahs daughter lol 😆

@jakelynbrook 2 жыл бұрын

Correct answer for this conundrum: Get the coals nice and hot 🥵 there’s going to be a cookout tonight!🪔😎

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

Bonnie, read Numbers chapter 31 in various Bible translations. Moses, under the direction of Jehovah, commanded the Israelite soldiers to kill all the males, boys and baby boys, among the midianite captives and all the females that were not virgin. Without a doubt the soldiers held down each female and forcibly inspected her to see if her hymen was intact. Everyone was killed except for 32,000 females. Moses then instructed them to take a heave offering to Jehovah from the spoils of war, livestock and human. A heave offering is an offering heaved off the whole. A percentage, a tribute, a tax. A number of livestock and 32 females where heaved off and given to the high priest to be sacrificed. The high priest was no cattleman, he was in charge of the sacrifices. Some people may argue no but the text is clear and keep in mind that the Israelite soldiers had just slaughtered hundreds of thousands of captives including women, children and little babies. They wouldn't have any objections to sacrificing a mere 32 virgins.

@EfrainRiveraJunior 2 жыл бұрын

Isn't the Bible a wonderful book?

@jaflenbond7854 2 жыл бұрын

All atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of all religions are wounded, hurt and offended by a very simple book, the Bible, which means all atheists, agnostics and fanatics of all religions rejected and hated the Creator and His Christ's TRUTHS, authorities, teachings, and commandments. Just curious, what about you- Are you personally rejecting and degrading the Bible as just a worthless and useless book, without any value whatsoever, just a book of lies, deceits, fictions, myths and fairy tales?

@EfrainRiveraJunior 2 жыл бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 - You seem wounded, hurt, and offended by a very simple comment. Just curious, can you point to these "TRUTHS" and authorities you speak of?

@jaflenbond7854 2 жыл бұрын

@@EfrainRiveraJunior ETERNAL DEATH, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever for LIARS, narcissistic, cruel, and hateful persons, for atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of all religions as the consequence of their arrogance and foolishness in mocking, defying, and opposing the Creator and His Christ's TRUTHS, authorities, teachings, and commandments. ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth is the honor, reward, favor, and blessing for TRUTHFUL, loving, kind, and respectful human beings who are submissive and obedient to the Creator and His Christ's TRUTHS, authorities, teachings, and commandments.

@EfrainRiveraJunior 2 жыл бұрын

@@jaflenbond7854 - Yeah, you sound like a loving, kind, and respectful human being, and not as a fanatic at all.

@sheildmaiden7478 2 жыл бұрын

No. It's lies.

@rockpadstudios 2 жыл бұрын

There really isn't much in the old T that isn't depressing.

@morpheus5302 2 жыл бұрын

@Jose Salas you think humanity has not progressed since the old T days? That's quite depressing, sure.

@morpheus5302 2 жыл бұрын

@Jose Salas sure, that's why we, 2 strangers are debating about existential matters over the Internet instead of being busy thinking how to get tomorrow's meal because we already hunted all cariboo nearby... Edit: let me add, debating in a non-native language, as I suspect by your name that we both are Spanish speaking men.

@loriw2661 2 жыл бұрын

Why do all the governing body members sound the same? Is there a class for that? Lol.

@bernadette4484 2 жыл бұрын

They all speak out of the mouth of the Devil.

@eddicus7874 2 жыл бұрын

Jesus was a human sacrifice. During all the wars of his people. Humans were sacrificed. All that suffering. Then they balk at this? Its right up ol jahs alley.

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

Numbers chapter 31. 32 virgins sacrificed to Jehovah. Read it in several different Bible versions.

@Ladyresidue 2 жыл бұрын

What is a “governing body helper”?

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

It's like hamburger helper.

@yeisonalvarez5776 2 жыл бұрын

This is what I understand for Bible study🤣

@johnmulhern2833 2 жыл бұрын

Why doesn't she get a name?

@Cenindo 2 жыл бұрын

Not even Noah's wife and son-wives get names, though they are supposedly our universal foremothers today.

@morpheus5302 2 жыл бұрын

Jehovah don't like women

@megan148 2 жыл бұрын

Because women held no real value

@Johnypony210 2 жыл бұрын

So in this case Our God Jehovah accepting Humman sacrifications ?

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

Read Numbers chapter 31 in various translations. Moses tells the Israelite soldiers to kill all the males including baby boys and to kill all the females that are not virgin. This would require them to forcibly examine each female to see if her hymen was intact. Then Moses, at the instruction of Jehovah, tells the Israelites to take a heave offering to Jehovah of the spoils of war. 32,000 virgins were preserved alive and 32 virgins were heaved off. A heave offering is a percentage heaved off the whole to be sacrificed. A tribute, a tax. Some may argue against this but the text is clear. The high priest in charge of the sacrifices was no cattleman. Animals and humans "given to him" were to be sacrificed. We must also keep in mind that the Israelite soldiers had just killed hundreds of thousands of people including babies and women and girls that were not virgin. What is a mere 32 virgins to be sacrificed compared with all that other carnage?

@HL-vr1vs 2 жыл бұрын

Lament: mourn (a person's loss or death). "he was lamenting the death of his infant daughter". Yes, Lloyd. She could have a female child. Wow!

@jakelynbrook 2 жыл бұрын

Get coals hot and ready, it’s a cookout tonight!

@sarahwever4072 2 жыл бұрын

Poor Adah, I can't imagine...Wait! I think I can understand and know her pain all too well. And in case you didn't know who Adah is, that would be Jephthah's daughters name according to Wikipedia. I know you shouldn't believe everything you read, but I think it's time the women in the bible need to be talked about. Especially, the one in the book of Lamentations. But I digress...

@florian8599 2 жыл бұрын

That Jephthah literally sacrificed his own daughter is basically part of the Deuteronomistic Historians' message in Judges: Even the Judges become more and more corrupt and more and more think of Jahwe as a Canaanite deity, forgetting the lesson from the Abraham and Isaak story ("Stop! I was just testing your loyalty! Sheesh, I didn't think you would go that far, Abraham!") and the commandments given to Moses (like "No human sacrifices!").

@morningglory9288 2 жыл бұрын

The God of the Israelites Jehovah, is actually Satan the devil. He is the one who glorifies animal and human sacrifices. When he told Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac, he really meant it. That was because Jesus was to be born from his line of descendants and he didn't want Jesus in the way to jeopardise his sovereignty. Jesus condemned the Israelites for worshipping their God Jehovah telling them they were from their father the devil and he was a murderer and liar from the very beginning. John 8:44. The commandments given to Moses was a means to control the Israelites effectively taking away their free will. Those who failed to obey all his commandments were put to death in the most horrendous ways imaginable. Deuteronomy 28:15- 68 Jehovah is a God of death, murder and destruction, a God none other than Satan the devil.

@scienceexplains302 2 жыл бұрын

Notice that when Abraham heard that he was supposed to sacrifice Isaac, Abe did not say, “No, that can’t be my god talking, because my god wouldn’t have me sacrifice my son.”

@tofu8164 2 жыл бұрын

so what you are telling me is that god accepted human sacrifice as a message of how he don't accept human sacrifice? wow

@scienceexplains302 2 жыл бұрын

@@tofu8164 Not exactly. He accepts sacrifice sometimes and other times says it’s bad. He encouraged and accepted the sacrifice of Jephthah’s daughter. The verses against sacrifice usually say “don’t sacrifice to Molech”, not that sacrifice itself is wrong. No, wait, even that isn’t always wrong: see Ezekiel 20:25-26

@shmanuyah_2024watch Жыл бұрын

Jephthah desperately went "over the top" to secure a win by that vow ...but ended up at the "bottom" - because he realized the Most High could have stopped his daughter from going to the door first. think: if she was just given to "ascent", then why would her friends or anyone lament for that? fact: being given to YHWH in temple service would be a good thing and a blessing to his family and her - but obviously that didn't happen. Judges chapter 12:7 shows when HE died, so "IF" she didn't die from the sacrifice - then when did she? ...no need to try to rewrite scripture because it feels so uncomfortable.

@cygnustsp 2 жыл бұрын

What if some 12 year old kid stepped out of the house first? What would've happened to him? Fortunately this is just a story and never happened, but the lesson it's trying to teach is basically that life isn't fair and we often make it more unfair on our own.

@scienceexplains302 2 жыл бұрын

*Yahweh inspired child sacrifice* *Jephthah* was not only an upstanding Yahwist, but was *inspired by Yahweh* to effectively offer a human sacrifice. Nobody corrected him. Neither Yahweh nor Jesus responded to Jephthah’s pledge, “No, we don’t accept child sacrifices.” The Christian passage Hebrews 11:32-33 honors Jephthah as having conquered kingdoms thru *faith.* Jephthah Judges 11:29-12:3 _Then _*_the spirit of Yahweh came on Jephthah_*_ …. And Jephthah made a vow to Yahweh : “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be Yahweh’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering {‘ō·lāh}._ It doesn’t say that the spirit left Jephthah between v:29 and :30. Since we can’t insert our own narrative, the most straightforward interpretation is that *Yahweh arranged this sacrifice to himself* In 11:34, the author indicates astonishment that his daughter is the first to come out. If Jephthah is an idiot, so is the author. In 11:39, *Jephthah fulfills his olah vow.* Judges 12:3 confirms that *Yahweh honored the sacrifice.* I don’t see how this is not a Yahweh-approved, even Yahweh-initiated, human sacrifice

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

Read Numbers chapter 31. Moses instructed the Israelite soldiers to kill all the males including baby boys and to kill all the females that were not virgin. This would require the forcible examination of the females to see if their hymens were intact. 32,000 virgins were preserved alive. Moses said to take a heave offering to Jehovah from the spoils of war. Livestock and humans. A heave offering is a percentage heaved or taken off the whole. A percentage of livestock was heaved and 32 virgins were heaved out of 32,000 virgins and given to eliezer the high priest in charge of sacrifices. The high priest was no cattlemen and spoils of war "given to him" was given to be sacrificed. Some may argue this but the text is clear and we must keep in mind that the Israelites soldiers had just killed hundreds of thousands of people including little babies and women and girls that were not virgin. What is a mere 32 virgins to be sacrificed compared with all that other carnage?

@jeanniejewel2272 2 жыл бұрын

Jehovah takes human sacrifice. The bible is really brutal.

@florian8599 2 жыл бұрын

Actually, God _didn't_ demand that human sacrifice! Jephthah made that oath, and got law-of-surprised. It's a plot point made by the Deuteronomistic Historians, that even the Judges get so corrupt, that they forget that Jahwe is _not_ like the Canaanite gods. I mean: Hellooooo?! Ban on human sacrifices in the laws of Moses?!

@morningglory9288 2 жыл бұрын

Yes Jehovah loves human and animal blood sacrifices. He expects them for the atonement of sins that he himself invented. Exodus 13:2 "Dedicate to me every firstborn among the Israelites. The first offspring to be born, of both humans and animals, belongs to me.” Exodus 13:12,13 "you must present all firstborn sons and firstborn male animals to the LORD, for they belong to him. 13 A firstborn donkey may be bought back from the LORD by presenting a lamb or young goat in its place. But if you do not buy it back, you must break its neck. However, you must buy back every firstborn son." Jesus became Jehovah/Satan's ultimate human blood sacrifice when he was cruicified on the cross. He was the firstborn from the true God of divine LOVE (his heavenly MOTHER, or Woman mentioned in Revelation 12:1-5) and he was also a true Israelite or Jew. He fitted the criteria perfectly as Jehovah exploited his death claiming Jesus as not only his dear son, but that his purpose was to die for humanities sins, sins that he himself concocted when he planted that forbidden tree in the garden of Eden. What God of love would allow their son to die an excruciating death by crucifixion and then claiming he was a willing sacrifice? By no means was Jesus a willing sacrifice, nor did he die for our sins, this is another lie from the God of deception.... Satan the devil also known as Jehovah.

@jaflenbond7854 2 жыл бұрын

@scienceexplains302 2 жыл бұрын

@@florian8599 *Jephthah* was not only an upstanding Yahwist, but was *inspired by Yahweh* to effectively offer a human sacrifice. Nobody corrected him. Neither Yahweh nor Jesus responded to Jephthah’s pledge, “No, we don’t accept child sacrifices.” The Christian passage Hebrews 11:32-33 honors Jephthah as having conquered kingdoms thru *faith.* Jephthah Judges 11:29-12:3 _Then _*_the spirit of Yahweh came on Jephthah_*_ …. And Jephthah made a vow to Yahweh : “If you give the Ammonites into my hands, whatever comes out of the door of my house to meet me when I return in triumph from the Ammonites will be Yahweh’s, and I will sacrifice it as a burnt offering {‘ō·lāh}._ It doesn’t say that the spirit left Jephthah between v:29 and :30. Since we can’t insert our own narrative, the most straightforward interpretation is that *Yahweh arranged this sacrifice to himself* In 11:34, the author indicates astonishment that his daughter is the first to come out. If Jephthah is an idiot, so is the author. In 11:39, *Jephthah fulfills his olah vow.* Judges 12:3 confirms that *Yahweh honored the sacrifice.* I don’t see how this is not a Yahweh-approved, even Yahweh-initiated, human sacrifice

@jeanniejewel2272 2 жыл бұрын

@@scienceexplains302 religions interpret the Bible in different ways according to what they want it to mean. They all do it. The eight governing body member's of Jehovah's witnesses are not inspired. They are also blood guilty for those who died not excepting blood because of their no blood rule dogma.

@dmts8098 2 жыл бұрын

The prophet Samuel was also given to Jehovah after weaned. Not a burnt sacrifice. The pagan nations Israel defeated and destroyed one of their customs were child sacrifice. Something that was never in Jehovah’s heart.

@LloydEvans 2 жыл бұрын

I already answered your argument in the video. The Bible can and does contradict itself.

@extraterrestrial4287 Жыл бұрын

Numbers chapter 31, Moses instructs the Israelites to kill all the males including baby boys and to kill all the females that are not virgin. This would require forcible inspection of the females to see if their hymen was intact. He then, at the command of Jehovah, instructs them to take a heave offering to Jehovah of the spoils of war. Livestock and humans. A heave offering is a percentage heaved off the whole. A tribute, a tax. 32,000 virgins were preserved alive and 32 virgins were to be a tribute to Jehovah. The high priest in charge of the sacrifices was no cattleman. Animals and humans "given to him" were to be sacrificed. Some may argue against this but the text is clear. We must also keep in mind that the Israelite soldiers had just slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people including baby boys and non-virgin women and girls. What is a mere 32 virgins to be sacrificed compared to all that carnage?

@bernadette4484 2 жыл бұрын

" a man made book?" So, you went from jw to atheist ?

@b.w.7588 2 жыл бұрын

Summerwind, Yes, Lloyd went from being a JW to becoming an atheist. Well, he considered himself as being a doubting ex-JW Christian for a while after leaving the JWs, then he started calling himself an agnostic before he declared himself to be an atheist. Yes, he considers the Bible to be a manmade book -- but I do, too. So, he's not alone in holding to that position.

@LloydEvans 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Bible is a man-made book. And yes, I'm an atheist.

@bernadette4484 2 жыл бұрын

@@LloydEvans Hi Lloyd, Question: When you were a jw, you then believed in God, correct?

@LloydEvans 2 жыл бұрын

@@bernadette4484 Yes that's correct.

@bernadette4484 2 жыл бұрын

@@LloydEvans , May I ask what was the pivotal straw to go from one extreme to the other?