"What's something you really wish the other side understood better?" - Dead by Daylight

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Scott Jund

Scott Jund

Күн бұрын

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@CaptainCrackSparrow
@CaptainCrackSparrow Жыл бұрын
As a killer, I've already forgotten who I've hooked 2 seconds after.
@ethanpeeples6187
@ethanpeeples6187 Жыл бұрын
Pothead problems. For me at least
@Towerofhell
@Towerofhell Жыл бұрын
Yeah same. I play this game casually and i allocate very little memory to each match
@mikeymele
@mikeymele Жыл бұрын
I wish the game gave you the same hook counter states for killer like they do survivor. I honestly try not to actively tunnel but sometimes you just forget or have multiple survivors being the same person. It would be a nice quality of life change for most of the killer mains who really try their best to spread pressure and not tunnel someone out of a match.
@bak3d_b4ts75
@bak3d_b4ts75 Жыл бұрын
My favorite is when the survivors all wear the same thing, and get accused of tunneling. As survivor I always make sure I look the goofiest so no one wants to copy me
@vivisbestie4647
@vivisbestie4647 Жыл бұрын
right like we have so much going on we forget
@giantsweet1472
@giantsweet1472 Жыл бұрын
Of course I don't have Empathy for both sides. It's a survivor perk.
@pyrac.
@pyrac. Жыл бұрын
funny!
@ncc1206
@ncc1206 Жыл бұрын
W
@xian2633
@xian2633 7 ай бұрын
LMAO
@cardinaljake6167
@cardinaljake6167 Жыл бұрын
what killers need to understand is that the hook goes like through my body, and it hurts really bad, and I don't want it to happen so please stop doing that to me :(
@willnelson9906
@willnelson9906 Жыл бұрын
well you see, what Survivors really need to understand is that i have this really sharp knife, and the sensation of sliding it between your ribcage fills me with joy. also the entity is my mom.
@ultimatedespair2368
@ultimatedespair2368 Жыл бұрын
​@@willnelson9906Okay not gonna lie, the sharp knife thing sounded kinda hot
@Juntou
@Juntou Жыл бұрын
@@willnelson9906honestly the entity being your mom is reason alone to use that knife. What the entity would have in store for you if you didn’t is far worse.
@HalcyonRemnant
@HalcyonRemnant Жыл бұрын
It really baffled me to learn that most people don't play both sides when I got into the game. I'm definitely a killer main, but I play survivor a good bit when friends or my girlfriend want to play. I'm not saying it makes you immune to being tilted, but it's a lot easier to understand why person does x or y when you've experienced it firsthand. IG in the theme of the thread, I wish more people would just play the other side a while so that they can understand why people play the way they do sometimes.
@tomh779
@tomh779 Жыл бұрын
Right? I cannot believe that people don’t play both sides specially people who only play surv that shit would be boring AF.
@vry6946
@vry6946 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, people who only play survivor or killer are the most likely to believe their opinions are correct because they don't understand the opposite role From the beginning I learned why killers tunnel or camp and I never had a problem with them doing it to me
@CelsiusNK
@CelsiusNK Жыл бұрын
the killer role in general has always been been boring to me even on other games similar to dbd. Doesn't matter the strength of the role or anything like that I just don't like doing the chasing prefer being chased and hiding and stuff all the way back from hide and seek a a kid.
@jans8675
@jans8675 Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately if somebody starts out playin dbd on one side, they already see the game only from that perspective most of the time, so they will interpret everything that happens when they play the other role in their own way.
@Pablo-pr4vg
@Pablo-pr4vg Жыл бұрын
⁠​⁠@@jans8675Idk dude I started in late 2017 maining survivor but since they ruined survivor movement+mmr making killers play like it’s a tourney Vs solos I’ve been forced to main killer which was never my intention, I think people can be forced into a role even if they don’t particularly want to play that side more (I could play swf but that’s probably the most boring of the 3) and yet I still have mostly survivor bias opinions and feel more compassion for solos over anything.
@marrychrismas5993
@marrychrismas5993 Жыл бұрын
The natural lighting makes Scott look less dead
@devoteeofmediocrity821
@devoteeofmediocrity821 Жыл бұрын
Heh. Dead by Daylight
@jimmiedabug
@jimmiedabug Жыл бұрын
From dead to deadish, lol
@CaptainCrackSparrow
@CaptainCrackSparrow Жыл бұрын
That's because he absorbed the previous home owners.
@DamienCloud
@DamienCloud Жыл бұрын
Well a lot of his videos are insomnia middle of the night scenarios so he will look way better in daylight sun with a rested face haha
@Tory-JJ
@Tory-JJ Жыл бұрын
Nah thats just make up
@Oh_Ehm_Gee
@Oh_Ehm_Gee Жыл бұрын
As a survivor, I want Scott to remember when he got 360'd by that Quentin.
@YeOldeYeet
@YeOldeYeet Жыл бұрын
Liking and replying for more exposure, he can never forget the most monumental moment in his career
@shadowofsecracy
@shadowofsecracy Жыл бұрын
I play both sides, but the title one is the biggest feel for me. I'll get 6-8 hooks with no kills and survivors will still tbag stall at the gate and "gg ez git gud". The body block when you purposefully don't tunnel them is also true. Survivors really do take advantage of killers being nice and wonder why they don't do it more lol.
@kasianowakowska7984
@kasianowakowska7984 Жыл бұрын
Lol that's so true
@tinytelephones
@tinytelephones Жыл бұрын
Some people just like to flame in video games. Nothing new, nothing to waste a second thought on.
@GG-kn2se
@GG-kn2se Жыл бұрын
But it’s absolutely nothing compared to being held hostage in a game by a killer. Slugging, forcing you to crawl to hatch they’re standing on to slam it closed, waiting until you’re almost bled out to hook, following you as a slug. That happening once is worth 1000 flashlight clicks. Also I’d rather get t-bagged by everyone than be tunnelled and camped out the game.
@alexflorek6527
@alexflorek6527 Жыл бұрын
@@GG-kn2se Why do you bring this up? That's another problem with the community, don't try to make it look like you have it worse. Both sides have problems and, while getting bled out is tedious indeed, it might even have to do with how you played so let's look at 2 cases: 1. You were being "toxic" and brought it upon yourself, so deal with it. 2. You played chill and received that treatment for no reason. Its kind of the same as the original scenario. Survivor has to wait longer when being held hostage but, as killer it requires way more going out of your way to ensure the survivors have a good time and feel the game is fair for them. If you do all that just out of PURE kindness and compassion to make the game feel better for everyone and then they spit in your face its a way worse FEELING and, don't pretend you can't just get on your phone or do something else for 4 minutes when getting bled out. And if its the feeling that you didn't desrve being bled out that bothers you, well then, again, a killer goes way more out of their way to get 8 hooks with 0 kills than you think (when they actually do it, that is) so then you could really understand how shit that must feel for them too. Its not about the teabags or clicks its about the fact that you did something you weren't supposed to do because you wanted to be nice and put yourself through a way harder game than needed, just for the survivors' sake who then disrespect the shit out of you, and in cases even pretend they stomped you, when you clearly didn't play as hard as you could so they can have fun.
@bap8195
@bap8195 Жыл бұрын
​@@alexflorek6527the fact you brought this up like getting slugged and bled out is anything to a damn tbag is ridiculous.Tbags don't stop you from playing the game.Tbags don't hold you hostage period.I get tbagged idgaf I don't waste time on it.Its not affecting me.If you play killer and are bothered by a tbag you're weak minded and let anything control your mind.Get it together
@EliTheGleason
@EliTheGleason 11 ай бұрын
This is small, but as a killer main one thing that used to always make me happy was having a non toxic interaction at the exit gate with anyone who escapes. I've truly enjoyed matches where I've been completely stomped for no other reason than that the survivors did a little dance and dropped a flashlight for me when I nodded at them at the end.
@theintelligentmilkjug944
@theintelligentmilkjug944 Жыл бұрын
That we should watch Scott ramble about Dead by daylight politics for hours.
@DulfyBee
@DulfyBee Жыл бұрын
I would fall asleep to this in bed or have it on in the background while playing a calm game or something tbh that sounds amazing
@theintelligentmilkjug944
@theintelligentmilkjug944 Жыл бұрын
@@DulfyBee literally what I've been doing throughout this video
@ComradeMaryFromMars
@ComradeMaryFromMars Жыл бұрын
Survivorism vs killerism
@astrobear5195
@astrobear5195 Жыл бұрын
​@@ComradeMaryFromMars💀
@Bthakilla4rilla
@Bthakilla4rilla Жыл бұрын
"Just go kick pallets if survivors are refusing to leave at endgame" Killers with brutal strength, spirit fury, and enduring: 👁👄👁
@GoldKitsuneBrony
@GoldKitsuneBrony Жыл бұрын
Can also break breakable walls, stomp boons if any and for a lot of killers spam your power.
@Bthakilla4rilla
@Bthakilla4rilla Жыл бұрын
@@GoldKitsuneBrony Well that much is obvious, but I was really just trying to be funny
@serioustable8659
@serioustable8659 Жыл бұрын
I once got an exit gate teabagger to come back in and stun me with a pallet. Except I was running spirit fury, enduring, nemesis, and rancor
@Helena-me6mp
@Helena-me6mp 11 ай бұрын
@@serioustable8659 AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA, i would pay for the footage!
@ZarkhanXeron
@ZarkhanXeron Жыл бұрын
I played a match on RPD the other day where I was last alive against Nemesis, and i started opening the front gate as he came at me. I ran directly at him to let him get me because I didn’t have enough time to open it, and he turned to the left and swung at open air because he thought I was going to juke him out, so we just stood there for 15 uninterrupted seconds staring at each other
@rakeshsspiceclub5554
@rakeshsspiceclub5554 Жыл бұрын
One thing i wish people understood better was just because somehow have thousands of hours it doesn’t mean they always trying their hardest to win. Sometimes people just have bad days or are fucking around.
@NatOfTheManyCats
@NatOfTheManyCats Жыл бұрын
For real, though. Please don't mistake my character Prestige for skill. I assure you, I don't learn from my mistakes. I'm still ass 😂
@sharkydoggo
@sharkydoggo Жыл бұрын
The second point is rlly good. I remember one time I went against Scott on RPD, and I was playing Carlos. I mindgamed him at a really unsafe pallet by not falling for like 4 of his fakes, and when he swung for real I vaulted. He wasn't mad, all he had to say was 'damn okay' with a little smirk, and the entire chat just filled with '*Chad emote* Carlos' xdd. If survivors do cool shit against me when I'm playing killer I might be annoyed but it'll still be a 'jeeze good job'
@renjiaow3742
@renjiaow3742 Жыл бұрын
Do you remember when that match was? I think I was watching it.
@zmanrockz6358
@zmanrockz6358 Жыл бұрын
5:20 this is definitely different for more advanced killers (like you Scott) but most intermediate/beginner killers are too focused on chases to pay attention to who is helping their team and who isn’t. Specifically for me when I see a survivor I haven’t seen the whole game after already killing two people I’m never sure if they’ve been on gens the whole time or hiding in a corner.
@severedinsilence
@severedinsilence Жыл бұрын
theres always one claud that has achieved omnipotence and manages to hide in a corner all match while doing gens at the same time
@bak3d_b4ts75
@bak3d_b4ts75 Жыл бұрын
Honestly I wish there was survivor stats, or something that showed up when you're chasing them so you can know if someone has been a bad teammate. Maybe like a perk that activates during bloodlust that give survivors an aura when in line of sight, the better player is doing in in-game, the more intense the aura is
@willyates6266
@willyates6266 Жыл бұрын
@@severedinsilenceBro deadass I haven’t seen any Claudette’s yet in my short time as killer. I’m hella good at stealthing away with self-aware though. Killers lose me after one loop😂
@hallowedchromee310
@hallowedchromee310 Жыл бұрын
@@willyates6266 I just play Ada and all of a sudden killers just lose me in midchase while I’m running to different loops. I don’t even understand why either because I have a decently high MMR (judging off the killers I receive) and I have no exhaustion or evasion perks on usually. In fact its the reason why I don’t run those perks, I don’t really need them lol. Although I’ve figured that Ada is just a hella quiet survivor and it probably throws the killer off and gives me distance.
@generalstrategy6952
@generalstrategy6952 Жыл бұрын
As a survivor, my goal is to make the killer laugh out loud at an interaction with me. If I can get that, I consider it a win no matter what else happens.
@Sorenthaz
@Sorenthaz Жыл бұрын
Essentially most of the Survivor vs Killer dynamic boils down to: do unto others what you wish to be done unto you.
@2ScoopsPlz
@2ScoopsPlz Жыл бұрын
I love the image of the killers and survivors in a group therapy styled room talking to each other. Like, "Damn, that was a really good chase Steve." "Hey thanks Bob, I had fun too man."
@kaib6998
@kaib6998 Жыл бұрын
2:54 tell that to the Quentin that spun you on the basement stairs
@dunderbutt5386
@dunderbutt5386 Жыл бұрын
never forget
@tatzooism
@tatzooism Жыл бұрын
Quentin's arc from getting reversed chainsawed while hiding in a corner to getting a spin on Scott is really inspiring
@twosoup3252
@twosoup3252 Жыл бұрын
I think if we all agreed to play stardew valley or something together whenever we load in to borgo, this game would be much better
@geromeleanospaez4877
@geromeleanospaez4877 Жыл бұрын
This I just need someone to play Mario party with pls
@CoOlKyUbI96
@CoOlKyUbI96 Жыл бұрын
Sometimes when I notice a killer being really nice and letting everyone farm BP and escape, I willingly give myself up as sacrifice so the killer can at least eliminate someone on hook
@CapzL
@CapzL Жыл бұрын
As someone who plays both sides, I see this vid as an absolute win.
@fabiopauli420
@fabiopauli420 Жыл бұрын
As a killer i would like survivors to understand that when they are playing the same survivor with the exact same skin its really hard not to tunnel someone on accident
@Dabajaws
@Dabajaws 5 ай бұрын
I feel this
@gort5516
@gort5516 Жыл бұрын
It amazes me how people who only play one role have such awful opinions about the game seemingly without fail. I can read comments and immediately know that this person only plays killer/survivor, it's so obvious.
@deadcam5639
@deadcam5639 Жыл бұрын
I feel that on another level
@vibewithme2318
@vibewithme2318 Жыл бұрын
I try to play casually, load into a game against a pro sweat blight . Then next game bring sweat build for survivor and run into a wholesome bubba. I think we need different modes for casual or ranked or something but that gets complicated as well
@Mazerwolf
@Mazerwolf Жыл бұрын
I really wish more people played both sides, it’d be amazing for empathy
@shadesteel9247
@shadesteel9247 11 ай бұрын
I think I've become more apathetic playing both sides. I learned most of the complaints both sides have are just whining and that the actual problems in the game mainly come from the devs not the players imo.
@DustTheOtter
@DustTheOtter Жыл бұрын
One of the big things for me is that if I see that a Survivor is about to go to the next stage of Hook Progress, I will usually start heading back to intercept. I'm going to capitalize on Survivors being slow to keep their team alive.
@alexflorek6527
@alexflorek6527 Жыл бұрын
Yess like, if you just commit gens and try to save last sec, don't be surprised if the killer capitalises on that. If you want to prioritize your gens that badly and be so efficient the killer can do the same and secure the additional hook stage as well.
@willyates6266
@willyates6266 Жыл бұрын
Yes exactly. And when they take to long and start performing rushed actions everything. Yesterday I only found the dude because I heard him doing 3 rushed vaults trying to get to hook
@Boss24601
@Boss24601 Жыл бұрын
Real. I will hook someone, go kick a gen, get a hit, then if i’m led back towards hook i’m going to leave that survivor and go secure a stage/kill. Its just the smartest thing to do. Your team waited.
@hallowedchromee310
@hallowedchromee310 Жыл бұрын
I think people only really get upset over that because you’re punishing the person on hook more, but still punishing the team as a whole. Its not really the hooked person’s fault their team can’t make proper prioritizing. But there’s literally nothing wrong with going back to hook if you have suspicion or reason to believe there’s a survivor there trying to get unhook. People really complain about camping while they themselves are right there at the hook forcing the killer to stay there lmao.
@MattyHwang
@MattyHwang Жыл бұрын
16:25 my favorite part about this is killer is how I can step off the gas, spread hooks, and ultimately earn more bp by chasing more. It beats just wiping a team at 5 gens and earning 15k bp
@drailvarr_r2q5
@drailvarr_r2q5 Жыл бұрын
Imma just say it: the moment you do something to progress the game, it’s no longer tunneling. The moment you body block, work on a gen, go for an unhook, try to heal, etc. you are fair game in my eyes
@ultimatedespair2368
@ultimatedespair2368 Жыл бұрын
Valid
@death8156
@death8156 Жыл бұрын
It’s still tunneling, aside from body blocking you asked for it at that point. But otherwise it’s still tunneling, not shaming I do it if someone is annoying.
@Brognold
@Brognold Жыл бұрын
This video could have been twice as long and I would have watched all of it
@pawsome3796
@pawsome3796 Жыл бұрын
Im a survivor main. I played killer a bit did decently well because my friend was an experienced player on both sides who taught me the fundamentals. I had a game on Hawkins were i got destroyed, and it made understand the difficulties of killer. Also playing Jason in f13 helped me understand that survivors are just the power role in most asyms, and these games depend on the balance of the 2 roles feeling fair. This idea was reinforced when i played evil dead which is a nightmare to play demon. Most people aren't trying to be malicious. They just want to enjoy the game. Wether they play optimally, or not.
@drakekiller1012
@drakekiller1012 Жыл бұрын
The biggest issue I tend to have during games is that I just can't remember everything that happened within that game. To much is happening throughout the game for me to remember, for instance, if I just hooked this person, or where the gen that I heard was almost done was at again. I'm not a good enough killer or survivor to be as lenient as I would like to be either. I'm by no means a terrible killer or survivor, but I am not nearly as good as a lot of people either. Edit: Also, on of the biggest things I see; just because you want to farm, doesn't mean the other side does as well. I might farm every now and then if there's a DC or something at the start of the match, but that doesn't mean I'm going to every time. Sometimes I just want to play a normal game when you want to farm, or maybe even just get the match over with as quickly as possible and move on to the next one if there was a DC. Edit 2 (because why not): Another one that I don't really tend to see too often, just because I'm running meta perks doesn't automatically mean I'm gonna tryhard my ass off to win, sometimes I forget to change perks, or even just don't feel like changing them.
@alexflorek6527
@alexflorek6527 Жыл бұрын
Really nice points. Farming: Its really fun how survivors get mad if you don't farm with them after an early dc or suicide but, as you said not only you don't always just want to farm, but you're also kind of doing them a favor when the game just ends in 2 minutes and everyone moves on to next imo or, sometimes you can have a challenge that requires you to get kills, its really not out of sweat or malicious intent for the most part. Also I'd like to add to the tryhard thing: Its not just that you sometimes forget to switch perks. for me when I have very strong perks, the way I use them depends on how the game goes, what killer and map it is etc. Let's say I have otr, I'm not gonna aggressively bodyblock a Trapper with it but, I might try to use it aggressively against an alch ring Blight bc every second I buy for my team is precious and, the killer is clearly ready to handle it, heck it might even be a MUST if I want to put up a fight against that to begin with. Its sort of like what Scott mentioned about adepting your "sweat level" or playstyle on the fly. I think that goes the for stronger perks and their use, not just for playstyles.
@mythos951
@mythos951 Жыл бұрын
If you only play one side, try playing the other side for a bit. You may not have as much fun but the sense of euphoria and perspective you gain is really something. Plus it improves your skill on the side you prefer.
@PixelDough
@PixelDough Жыл бұрын
I love playing Killer because I'm not really trying to win as much as I'm trying to make it an exciting match for the survivors. I want to put the pressure on them JUST enough that they feel so excited to make a close escape. My favorite rounds are ones where I did amazing and the survivors still won, because I know they're probably super excited
@DBHOD
@DBHOD Жыл бұрын
Probably one of my favorite videos you've done, yet. Thanks for spreading the awareness
@PlagueOfGripes
@PlagueOfGripes Жыл бұрын
The post is about empathy but when the response to tunneling and camping is "Yeah but I want to win, " maybe the post has failed.
@helion_ut
@helion_ut Жыл бұрын
You wanna imply that camping and tunneling is inherently bad...? Oh boi, you are that kind of dbd player. Please do not ever watch tournament matches, you will get a stroke.
@NeoCinnamon
@NeoCinnamon Жыл бұрын
It always feels good when you read a killers double back and then leave the loop and they are still on the loop looking for you before they realize you aren't there as you are already half way across map. Like simply running one way after vaulting a window and then turning around the second the killer turns to cut you off always feels great. However when they catch me and cut me off on my juke, it's even cooler, like damn they knew!
@schizokiri
@schizokiri Жыл бұрын
You can DEFINITELY tell when a survivor is useless or even detrimental if you pay the slightest bit of attention. Stuff like being spotted and then taking a chase near a hooked person or not doing saves when it’s important
@shadesteel9247
@shadesteel9247 11 ай бұрын
Agreed, the only time its an issue is if it's a group of the same skin, and even then usually thats because its a memeing sfw team. If you don't know whose doing what in your matches then you instantly should know your problem in your matches.
@coolmamo
@coolmamo Жыл бұрын
I think if its mediocre survivors going into a mediocre killer tunneling one person as fast as possible is a free win a good 80% of the time. There are often survivors who desperately try to save the guy being tunneled during that time so maybe one or two gens get finished before they die.
@1kinio1
@1kinio1 Жыл бұрын
My fav is when you hook guy with a flashlight, they get unhooked and proceed to run behind you (to fish for fl save) and you turn around, down and hook them again, and again, and in the end they call you tunneler xD
@serioustable8659
@serioustable8659 Жыл бұрын
People accuse me of tunneling when they all have the same character, same skin, same username, same blood type, same mother's maiden name, same DNA test
@MattBiersackSanders
@MattBiersackSanders Жыл бұрын
Man that "genrushing" part instantly reminded me of d3ad, I have no idea if it's a meme around his community or something but I swear he calls genrush and bullying on everything.
@toriannesinger
@toriannesinger Жыл бұрын
It's a joke within' his community.
@adabong
@adabong Жыл бұрын
9:38 i feel like gen rushing can also be a team that brings toolboxes with good add ons/gen perks with the intent to rush gens
@willyates6266
@willyates6266 Жыл бұрын
That’s me lol. Not really toolboxes, but I’m going for those Gen based perks. Vittorio perks with stake out.
@flexzy1674
@flexzy1674 Жыл бұрын
i swear i love like almost helping the survivors when i play killer because im a survivor main and i like fun more than anything ya know those slow turn moments where both sides just slowly turn towards each other and there's a general agreement that the survivor should be dead because they tried something really cool and failed in those moments i usually just let them go because ik how it feels
@SphinxOfKairo
@SphinxOfKairo Жыл бұрын
loving your videos like this bro
@virtuoso2991
@virtuoso2991 Жыл бұрын
sock jaundice once again with the top tier takes
@Katana314
@Katana314 Жыл бұрын
Home Sweet Home Online added a mode where 4 survivors play against 4 other survivors, and completing objectives can turn one of them into a killer for a time. If DBD could somehow invent a seasonal crazy 5-player game mode that works in that way, only permitting people to play as killer if they've somehow earned it, that could be really fun and reduce the "Us vs them" element during that gamemode. Another point: Many players, even streamers, overestimate their ability to communicate with their opposition in a memey way once the game is "over". Most people can't discern "Repair the generator", "do the point taunt at Victor", "boop the snoot", "I want to 1v1 you", "You can have hatch", "You can't have hatch but you can have the exit gates". When you get frustrated people don't acknowledge the order, keep in mind you're using something less precise than morse. On the original prompt about 8 hooks; I've been playing a few meme builds, and the funny thing is I mentally prepare myself for people teabagging at the exit, and thus don't care. I play enough survivor that I at least understand it's nice to burn off frustration winning against a Ghost Face that crouched in every chase.
@stebmcdreb3627
@stebmcdreb3627 Жыл бұрын
I mostly play killer but the thing I would say to other killers from the brief time I've played survivor, if you get run for a billion gens, the survivor (if they're anything like me when I play survivor) likely isn't thinking "lmaoooooo I've looped this noob baby killer for ages gg ez" they're probably thinking "AAAAAAAA HOW IS THIS CHASE STILL GOING SOMEBODY PLEASE HELP ME"
@willyates6266
@willyates6266 Жыл бұрын
Eh I dunno about that. When you’re getting looped forever and they get the flashlight EVERY time and get every loop or vault without fail, I think they know what they doing.
@blazeknight4120
@blazeknight4120 Жыл бұрын
13:03 Man, I can't say how much that feels true. I can tell I've hit Top MMR on both sides and the matches just hit a major difficulty spike.
@hellywatermelonsmellinfell3436
@hellywatermelonsmellinfell3436 Жыл бұрын
"I got Genrushed!" and it's just 4 different people pressing a button for 90s cuz somehow, the Killer didn't find anyone in all that time. Despite seeing all the Gen auras.
@kamehamehaDdragon
@kamehamehaDdragon Жыл бұрын
Nah, but Scott forgot that sometimes those survivors got full builds for doing gens faster, toolboxes and gen related perks. Instead of 90 seconds sometimes the first and second generator pop at the 40-50 sec mark, while you were chasing a survivor and hooked him, ans you are like, how? and when you check the lobby at the end you see they got a bunch of gen related builds, then you are like, oh I see. That is what gen rushing is, literally having a build to finish gens quicker.
@Ben_of_Milam_Music
@Ben_of_Milam_Music Жыл бұрын
actual genrushing is pretty rare, you see it like once every couple hundred games. Matches where all four survivors bring full gen repair loadouts, and let their teammates go second stage on first hook without ever trying to go for save. They stick to gens instead because they can finish all five and leave before the killer can realistically do anything about it. Like I said, extremely rare. Most people have probably never played a match like that before.
@kamehamehaDdragon
@kamehamehaDdragon Жыл бұрын
@@Ben_of_Milam_Music yea... I dont think the letting their team go to second phase in order to continue doing the gens is a particular aspect of gen rushing, just the "im going to make a build to do gens faster" , is gen rushing. If I were to put a term of that letting team die in order to continue doing gens thing that Scott mentioned, I would call it gen tunneling not gen rushing.
@Ben_of_Milam_Music
@Ben_of_Milam_Music Жыл бұрын
@@kamehamehaDdragon letting your team die to do gens is the OG definition of gen rushing. ever hear the phrase "gens before friends"? It's been a thing for years
@kamehamehaDdragon
@kamehamehaDdragon Жыл бұрын
@@Ben_of_Milam_Music well I didn't know that to be honest, I have seen plenty survs do gens while their friends are hooked and then save or trade last second, I guess that could also be gen rushing as well. But anyway aside from that, wouldn't you call a team, "a gen rushing team" if they finished all gens at the 3 minute mark? and then when you look at the lobby you see they had a build for it. Because I have had that since last patch, and its not like I've been afk as killer, but survivors split up and got a good build for soloing gens. Which is totally fair, but I call that gen rushing as well.
@Power4ever
@Power4ever Жыл бұрын
As a prior Killer main now survivor, I like to understand both sides. For example, "toxic" survivor squads may just be some friends having fun. Or tunneling killers might have just had a bad game. No matter what happens though the sides are too different to avoid controversies.
@Magicarpmaster
@Magicarpmaster Жыл бұрын
I really try not to tunnel but if i dont find anyone before an unhook ill go back to the hook. If i see the unhooker ill go for them, but theyre usually hiding while the unhooked is pretty much out in the open.
@kevinpettit3980
@kevinpettit3980 Жыл бұрын
Whenever I mess around and play with non-meta perks, the experience is way more fun because I have to figure out what play style would maximize my load out versus playing with the same meta perks but it’s an arms race. You are disincentivized to do this because most of the time the other side is going to bring the strongest stuff and playing with new perks would put me at a disadvantage. I feel like if they gave you an option to play with a randomized loadout for a blood point boost or something, you would see many more rare perk combos and make the game less monotonous
@knarledfuwuig5847
@knarledfuwuig5847 Жыл бұрын
Great reference to Dead by Daylight Scott jimmy
@Chaosrain112
@Chaosrain112 Жыл бұрын
The points really hit home around 17:00 for me. The moment that I just *stopped giving a shit* about what happens when I play killer and just do things that are funny or entertaining, to try and show people you can kick ass in style and not be a toxic cunt about it... That's when DBD became fun again. In controlled doses.
@june5877
@june5877 Жыл бұрын
Mine would be this: If I am stomping you, it's not personal. Think of me as sweaty or whatever (you're probably right), but I'm bored. You aren't challenging me, and being held in an obviously losing game has never been fun for me. I'm just trying to get all of us out of here as soon as possible.
@NatOfTheManyCats
@NatOfTheManyCats Жыл бұрын
I get that and appreciate it on some level, but man, please let me get enough points not to de-pip, lol 😭 Give me the dignity of finishing at least one gen!😆
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor Жыл бұрын
I wish survivors would understand that 99% of the shit they do (teabagging, clicking, waiting at end gate) is always gonna be interpreted as a show of disrespect, reported as toxic, and that your excuse "Oh no I'm different I don't do it like that" is bull because everyone knows the associations with taunting and toxicity. You can't communicate with us by design, you can't tell us your intentions, so most of us are gonna go with the default. We're not friends, we're internet strangers, your secret handshake is meaningless to us because on our end it just looks like you're flipping us off. If we were meant to be able to properly communicate, we'd be able to. We've got a job, you've got a job, the most respectful thing you can do is shut up and play.
@dravendfr
@dravendfr Жыл бұрын
As a survivor, I die a little inside every time I see my friends, or random teammates teabag.
@williamgrimm2452
@williamgrimm2452 Жыл бұрын
Tea bags when I’ve decided to tunnel someone cause I feel bad is fine. When I 8 hook it’s just annoying cause they don’t even know what’s going on? The people that bother me the most are the ones that forever desperately run away even after you’ve clearly started dropping them by gens cause you’re going to let them go
@severedinsilence
@severedinsilence Жыл бұрын
but the latter is cute, its just a little guy that is literally so scared of killers he doesnt try to understand or even look behind, just run in panic forever
@invalidusername6158
@invalidusername6158 Жыл бұрын
You should definitely do another one of these.
@themr_wilson
@themr_wilson Жыл бұрын
Slugging isn't inherently toxic, it's just pressure: Sacrifice > Hook > Slug > Chase > Deep Wounds The optimal situation for a killer versus four is one on hook, one slugged, one in chase. Besides, survivors are getting more points picking up their teammate
@NatOfTheManyCats
@NatOfTheManyCats Жыл бұрын
As a Survivor, I don't get the slug hate. I love it when it happens - feels like a second chance, and like you said, more BP. Also, if Killers never slug, I don't get to feel cool sprint bursting in with an FTP save. Also, I'm unreasonably amused when a Killer follows me for a slow slug-tour of the map, thinking I'm leading them to a teammate. You gotta enjoy the little things in life.
@el_doinko
@el_doinko Жыл бұрын
glad to see you're set up at the new place scut
@DepressedSkorpion
@DepressedSkorpion Жыл бұрын
In my opinion, if you have a game with multiple roles, everybody should play every role, at least enough to understand that role.
@shadesteel9247
@shadesteel9247 11 ай бұрын
Imo, play what's fun, do whatever you want, if you're toxic it will catch up with you, but by all means, no one owes anyone anything besides teammates.
@devoteeofmediocrity821
@devoteeofmediocrity821 Жыл бұрын
I love it when someone with no BT or OtR tries to bodyblock when I’m clearly trying my hardest not to tunnel. Normally they wait around 8 seconds in a doorway or something, realize that I’m not going to hit them, panic looking for safety for the last second or so, then go kiss rocks.
@jossamar
@jossamar Жыл бұрын
As someone who only enjoys survivor, I really value these takes. I really make a conscious effort to give everyone in the match the benefit of the doubt, regardless of how they play.
@ZarkionUltimate
@ZarkionUltimate Жыл бұрын
Some really great points
@johnwidow270
@johnwidow270 Жыл бұрын
If I go back when someone is unhooked, and I then can only see the person who was unhooked, I'm not just going to walk away and ignore them, they are the only person in my view and I am going to chase them, entitlement will see it as being tunneled where my other option is to just leave them to reset??
@yunggirard
@yunggirard Жыл бұрын
Dude no way! That's me (hotaruuuuuuuuu) at 6:27! :Ddd I'm getting ready for work right now and I saw my comment in the thumbnail. Thanks for calling me based Scott, it was awesome to see you react to both of my comments!
@Tony15700
@Tony15700 Жыл бұрын
yeah i often play spirit with mdr adn when the prevous survivors piss me off we do have to be better
@InfernoHeat_
@InfernoHeat_ Жыл бұрын
scott preaching out here
@TheRedarm75
@TheRedarm75 Жыл бұрын
About the 8 hooks how cool would it be if there was a unique sound effect for when that happens?
@KayfabeGames
@KayfabeGames Жыл бұрын
Here's an interesting take: Whether or not I tunnel you depends on how I skilled I am with a particular killer on certain maps. For example, I tend to play a lot of M1 killers and I tend to be really bad with these killers on maps like Springwood. Knowing how bad I am at Springwood I tend to play more aggressively on maps like that otherwise I know I'll quickly lose. The tunneling isn't personal or malicious, it's just that I know that certain maps aren't fair to certain killers in light of my skill, so I need to tip the scales in my favor a bit by tunneling someone out early.
@blazeyprime4470
@blazeyprime4470 Жыл бұрын
2:00 kinda agree, but the sad flip side is suddenly 3 gens pop during that first chase.
@CasualBlink
@CasualBlink Жыл бұрын
ive thanked killers for playing nice but then they called me names cuz they were actually trying hard
@ItzAndyArson
@ItzAndyArson Жыл бұрын
6:02 It's very easy to tell when one of the survivors is being useless or trolling. The amount of time's I've had a survivor like blatantly block a doorway or pallet or sandbag me on purpose andt he killer still just downs me and takes me to a hook like they earned it. Its so annoying.
@Boss24601
@Boss24601 Жыл бұрын
Still trying to win. Having a shit teammate sucks, but i’m also not gonna give up all my momentum because of your teammate.
@ItzAndyArson
@ItzAndyArson Жыл бұрын
@@Boss24601 If winning means that much to you that you admit to being a bad sport then idk what to tell you my guy
@Boss24601
@Boss24601 Жыл бұрын
@@ItzAndyArson how is that being a bad sport? If i want to win, getting a free down and slugging for the person 10 meters away from me is best. If you don’t want that, don’t be a bully swf all hovering around the killer.
@ItzAndyArson
@ItzAndyArson Жыл бұрын
@@Boss24601 nobody is being a “bully squad” you’re telling me if you visibly see a survivor purposely sandbag another during a chase you’d take the free down and hook them for your win. Thats being a bad sport. Not hard to understand that lol.!
@Boss24601
@Boss24601 Жыл бұрын
@@ItzAndyArson yes i would. The alternative is loosing momentum and the game. Just because one if your teammates throws does not mean i have to then tunnel them out of the match. That is not my job. Idk why you don’t understand that? My job is to win
@OldHunterLight
@OldHunterLight Жыл бұрын
Back when I used to play this game, if a survivor never left the gates, I would just try to learn how to curve certain tiles with billy, especially when map changes were a bit annoying, 2 more minutes to practice X tile was helpful
@spamandsazon
@spamandsazon Жыл бұрын
I enjoy DBD most when I apply equal effort to the opposition. If I'm killer and I see the survivors are having a hard time, I try to play in a way that gives them a chance to learn the game and enjoy the match. If I'm survivor and the killer isn't strong in chase or can't keep pressure up, I'll ease up on loops and try to give them a chance to improve. Easy quick matches aren't fun.
@brad1426
@brad1426 Жыл бұрын
I actually absolutely love that my knowledge of both sides of this game helps me whenever I'm vsing either side. The back and forth between killer and surv in chase is what really makes this game shine for me, and it's a shame that so much of it devolves into people just getting mad and being shitty to each other when they could just be enjoying that one side or another made a sick play. I get that sometimes it can feel annoying to get outplayed, I've been there, but man I've also ruined so many of my own games tripping up after getting tilted. Sometimes people need to just chill the fuck out lol. The only thing I actually want to add to the whole "killers don't pay attention to survivors that are not helping the team out" thing is that while I do try to do that, sometimes it does get by me and people have come at me for it. I've also just had people straight up lying about others in my games on both sides. Salty people claiming that someone didn't do anything, but the scores or my own experiences in the game told me otherwise. Just worth mentioning that sometimes people are just being bitchy.
@ZombieSlayer3649
@ZombieSlayer3649 Жыл бұрын
As a killer, I never camp for hook stages or rarely use expose perks because I'm trying to maximize blood points and I have my eyes set on that big blood point bonus at the end lol.
@Nevets123
@Nevets123 Жыл бұрын
Thrun, Breaker of Silence -- as in I will not be silent about how unhappy you'd make me of you brought that to my table. Sidedecking it now.
@Grushvak
@Grushvak Жыл бұрын
When I wrote that reddit post drunk off my mind after being teabagged at exit gate by people I ilterally let escape, I didn't think it would become a scott jund video.
@deadhelix
@deadhelix Жыл бұрын
Off topic but scott do you think somewhere even wayyy down the line they could reuse demos power into a unlicensed killer release? my idea is like a free 10th anniversary killer maybe with their own perks to as a celebration update as well as bringing demos gameplay loop to new players. I personally miss demo he is my 1 fav killer to go against because he isnt anything crazy strong but still has map pressure and a chase power and I dont want what imo is one of their much better power designs to get lost to time
@alphyy3107
@alphyy3107 Жыл бұрын
16:24 absolutely agree. Every so often im matched against new players. Sometimes the laugh that it is to play with these guys is enough to let them all live, they all have individual archs that last 7 minutes
@Irondragon1945
@Irondragon1945 Жыл бұрын
I like your Scottcasts
@11TwilightAlchemist
@11TwilightAlchemist Жыл бұрын
When I play DBD I just go into T-Rex mode. If I see something move I chase it, sometimes I use my brain and keep track of hooks and other times I just see how long the chase is going to be
@BlankTheBlank
@BlankTheBlank 11 ай бұрын
The only time I ever actually avoided killing people was during the beginning of the anniversary event when people were trying to get their invitations lol
@BenzoDBD
@BenzoDBD Жыл бұрын
The reason we bring meta perks is because we do not know how sweaty a killer will play
@noogs-
@noogs- Жыл бұрын
tru!! and alot of my "meta" perks are things that prevent "scummy" play styles, like tunneling (otr) slugging, (unbreakable) camping, (reassurance) and the last perk tends to be a perk for my own comfort, like either an exhaustion perk, or something else
@keys5595
@keys5595 Жыл бұрын
@@twosoup3252that’s a very subjective opinion
@twosoup3252
@twosoup3252 Жыл бұрын
@@keys5595 I mean fun is always subjective, that sentence means a lot less than you think it does. I can say “that’s a very subjective opinion” when survivors say it’s not fun to play for 40 minutes against a 3 gen skull merchant.
@keys5595
@keys5595 Жыл бұрын
⁠@@twosoup3252mean by that logic your whole first statement means a lot less then you think it does lol. It also was VERY broad. I do not agree that killer meta is boring to play as or against. I do agree with your very specific scenario though. I think it can be if you apply it in certain way like your example. The same way survivor meta can be boring if applied a certain way.
@Wurps
@Wurps Жыл бұрын
You forgot to say cap
@mitchconner8485
@mitchconner8485 Жыл бұрын
One thing that i see a lot, is that the killer complaining about gen rushing are the same ones that focus chasing a single survivor , that is good at looping , for the entire match , without heading for a gen once
@maidenlessbhvr
@maidenlessbhvr Жыл бұрын
Man your comment on gauging the game early and how hard I'm trying is something I need to get better at. They just kept making it so easy on a RPD as Wesker and before I knew it they lost with no gens done and I had no way at the end of the game to apologize without it making me seem like a dick when I genuinely felt bad for not pulling the brakes
@ItsFelix_
@ItsFelix_ 11 ай бұрын
13:29 my favorite is when i try and ignore someone, but they body block me, so i have to hit them, and they proceed to complain about me "tunneling" them in the post game chat
@justsomedude-gaming9815
@justsomedude-gaming9815 Жыл бұрын
As a nice killer main I wish they'd bring back the hook counter for killer side. I have to use an overlay in obs to track hook stages....
@CreamCheeseTho
@CreamCheeseTho Жыл бұрын
Loved this video.
@Cosmic_K13
@Cosmic_K13 Жыл бұрын
Would a rematch button help break the rage meta swap situation? I try not to tunnel survivors unless i cant find anyone else, or the survivor is being particularly an ass. Would killers benefit from having the same hud as survivors? The situation where you are 4 hooks in at 5 gens can mean to things: these are inexperienced players, or you're about to drop to 2 or 1 gen in the next 30 sec. If your at 1 or 2 hooks at 3 gens, either the killer isnt experienced, or you're about to get tombstoned.
@Necronoxicon261
@Necronoxicon261 Жыл бұрын
Scott Jund the enlightened centrist
@matthewleistikow6027
@matthewleistikow6027 Жыл бұрын
I love how you disagreed, but then IMMEDIATELY admitted it might just be your POV and not in line with the general reality. SOOOOO good to find.
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor
@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor Жыл бұрын
Whenever someone sits at the end gates, I walk off and kick pallets, then I report them for afking/idling and say it in end game chat. It's pure toxicity, and I hope to God they fix this game's report system and start banning people for it.
@OtsdarvaOS
@OtsdarvaOS Жыл бұрын
I remember reading this on reddit. Alot of this stuff I do, oddly.
@RudyCasper61
@RudyCasper61 Жыл бұрын
I play both side if I'm a Survivor I focus on my own escape because I survive on my own if I'm a killer I be happy to kill one not that being focus to kill 4 right?
@TheInez
@TheInez Жыл бұрын
“Hey it’s me 😁” that was so cute
@3FIGNEWTONEATR
@3FIGNEWTONEATR Ай бұрын
My mantra playing this game: it is not MY responsibility to make sure YOU are having fun. This gives me a pass for playing in a way I enjoy but others may not enjoy. It also is copium for me playing against something I don't like where I remind myself I am responsible for making my own fun and if I stop enjoying the game, I stop playing and do something else.
@misery1500
@misery1500 Жыл бұрын
When playing killer, if you intentionally body block me after getting unhooked, I will take that as you wanting to be put back on the hook
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