WHICH CUTS PAINT FASTER?! Rotary or Dual Action Polisher. Real-time test!
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28 күн бұрынWhich polishing machine actually cuts faster? The Rotary Polisher? Or the Dual Action Polisher? In this video, Yvan and Nick go to great lengths for a very "scientific" experiment. Same machine settings throughout; same polishing duration; same bottle of polish; same process of cleaning pads.
We take heat readings of the paint, and we measure the paint thickness as we go about polishing our test sections. What are your thoughts, either before or after watching the video?!
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@becomingunhuman2106 26 күн бұрын
If nothing else, this video proved to me that the waffle pad is gentle but effective. Thank you for all you guys do.
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
It’s our most versatile pad for sure!
@wademiyataki9221 26 күн бұрын
Boy am I glad this wasn’t an unedited video. Especially since I already knew the answer.😁
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
Good
@eppyz 25 күн бұрын
Keeping it simple is key to this channel. The experience and "keeping it simple" approach is fabulous. The product line is simple and not complicated. Sometimes too much of a good thing is not good, like having 20 different pads, or polishes, sealants. Just keep it simple. Appreciate this channel for its integrity and honest approach to business and education.
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
I appreciate that!
@thepassionofthegoose5472 26 күн бұрын
That gold standard pad and polish combo is no joke. Before I used it I was confident I'd like it, but I wasn't expecting it to become my go-to for finishing in all conditions. Technology is a great thing.
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@frankpavan7865 26 күн бұрын
Thank you for this demonstration. During all these years I thought the rotary was more agressive then a DA . Learn something every day . 👍
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@omarstephenson8967 15 күн бұрын
Me too!
@TopShottaFYC 23 күн бұрын
Nick and Yvan are hilarious in this video! Nice was exhausted (but kept going) and Yvan was just happy to see the rotary win another battle! Very informative. Definitely getting the rotary. Please make a rotary bundle with GSP and all pads!!
@diydetailofficial 23 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@davestewart9146 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for all your effort guys, I really appreciate your video 👍😁
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@radixmoto 25 күн бұрын
Thank you Ivan for this content, giving some light for us.
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@Christian-ed5uc 26 күн бұрын
Awesome video, great idea guys!
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Thanks so much!
@BriFree100 26 күн бұрын
At 12:23 Yvans head is still like his rotary and Nicks head is oscillating like his DA!! 😀
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
Lol
@ericcashler4919 26 күн бұрын
Definitely ready to get my hands on one
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@ericcashler4919 26 күн бұрын
Awesome job thanks!
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@NewVisionLCS 26 күн бұрын
What i really like about your system is that it doesn't take 10 different products to get a good shine and protection. Decon, wash, polish, ceramic and done. I remember the Meguire's 3 or 4 step kit!
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@NewVisionLCS 26 күн бұрын
@@diydetailofficial you're welcome. I definitely need help with my 2011 all Black Chevy Avalanche. It has water spots and swirls all over! I want it to look like Black glass again!
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
@NewVisionLCS we are here to help, you can join our facebook group. bit.ly/DIYDetailFacebookGroup
@NewVisionLCS 26 күн бұрын
@@diydetailofficial just went there! Waiting for approval.
@OraEtLabora0 26 күн бұрын
27:17 take rest Nick, because we need you next day for part2 vid, on how to burn through paint with the wool pad. 😉
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
That’s a quick video.
@steveclark2426 25 күн бұрын
Before your earlier videos on the rotary I was scared of one. Now I love using it and love the gloss it leaves. I’m definitely sold on the gold standard system. Definitely when my cheap Chinese rotary burns out il definitely be switching to the DIY rotary. Thanks for all your videos I’m so much better off because of them!
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
You are so welcome!
@Joey-kv6qr 26 күн бұрын
Very informative Video. Just wondering Can you guy's test how strong using a product called SuperClean can do the the clear coat?? some people use it similar to incredible suds. Its best on cleaning wheel rims, just simply spray leave it for a few mins and spray off a very strong cleaner.
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
It’s a degreaser, not an APC, yes it will cause damage
@evangelospapagiannis6643 4 күн бұрын
🤩😍🤣... you are amazing!!! You have a unique way of doing things . . .you do have a unique system... and you also have a wonderfull chemistry!!! Love you guys...YOU ROCK🤩🤩🤩
@diydetailofficial 4 күн бұрын
Thank you so much 🤗
@everettekupsche4038 26 күн бұрын
I honestly prefer dual action polisher but I have never used your new 25 mm sounds great
@trianggaindralukmana2184 26 күн бұрын
High quality rotary polisher is new experience. From me that has 2 DA and 1 rotary
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@zenos9302 23 күн бұрын
Hey thanks for this awsome video. So i know the rotation poàlisher needs to be at lowest speed. But i do not get if the DA polisher needs to be used also at lowest speed entire time or is it not the case? :)
@diydetailofficial 23 күн бұрын
You want just enough speed to maintain backing plate rotation.
@NightmareChronicles77 24 күн бұрын
Hey would you recommend mixing incredible suds with all clean in a foam cannon? If so what dilution ratios?
@diydetailofficial 24 күн бұрын
27oz water, 4oz DIY Detail All Clean , and 1oz DIY Detail Incredible Suds
@yeissertoyota4169 26 күн бұрын
Great video
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Thanks for the visit
@ac7384 24 күн бұрын
Good video. Any idea when all clean in gallon will be back in stock ?
@diydetailofficial 23 күн бұрын
Hopefully this week
@ccadama 26 күн бұрын
@DIY Detail. I don't know if this is a subjective question but does the rotary polisher provide more control over the RA? Say I only need to polish the chrome bumper of my car without accidentally touching the plastic trim on the bumper. Better to use the rotary? EDIT: BTW IMHO faster is not always better. I'd rather sacrifice speed over control especially when it come to paint correction. There's not much paint on modern auto these days. I think I (eventually) burned the paints on my cars over the years using a large 10" rotary polisher and just plain Maguire's liquid wax. I didn't know way back then and now with YT channels like yours, I know much more. Thank you.
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
The rotary is definitely more precise and easier to control
@ItsAntikzHd 26 күн бұрын
Tape off whatever you don't want polished, but I find a da to be safer if your working close to things you don't wanna mess up
@ShasCarDetailing 25 күн бұрын
What a cool video and experiment to try guys. I’m sure everyone appreciates the video and your efforts. Think 🤔 I would if needed a beer or two Beene though I don’t really drink nowadays to have gotten through the time spent. As someone new to polishing it sure is reassuring to know how safe your system is for a newbie. Someone needs to do the maths on how many one stage polished that would have been the equivalent of on average. I have the rupes polisher but will definitely be purchasing a rotary in the future as your guys rotary is very competitively priced.
@ShasCarDetailing 25 күн бұрын
I would correct and edit my grammar and mistakes made in this comment if I could find out how to edit it on mobile 😿
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
Thank you. No worries about the grammar.
@KingRockets 26 күн бұрын
Can you polish headlights, trims, and exhaust tips with the gold standard polish?
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
Yes you can!
@rb8946 25 күн бұрын
Hey guys! Will this polisher be released in the UK? Happy to wait a few months, otherwise can you recommend a ‘well’ priced alternative with slow speed for finishing? :) thanks in advance for all the awesome content
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
Thank you, yes hopefully early summer
@CoolPilot71 26 күн бұрын
Well shoot! I bought myself a DA polisher in thinking I was all set to prep my car for a ceramic coating but now I know I need to be very careful with it.. I guess I'm going to save for a polisher now for any future maintenance polishing jobs 😕 Thank you for this test!
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@yaranzo5pwns 23 күн бұрын
It took them 6+ hours to burn through the clear coat with a DA. You do not need to be careful, just do 3-4 slow controlled passes like they teach with the gold standard system and you won't have any issues. You could do 100+ passes and be fine as demonstrated here. Not that you want to do that!
@lucasaubin1661 13 күн бұрын
No need to be that careful, unless you are really trying to mess something up you won’t
@daudafzal6920 26 күн бұрын
DIY Detail pads are not available in my area and it does not get delivered here. So can i use Rupes yellow waffle pad(Fine) for compounding and the white waffle pad(ultra fine) for polishing with a Rotary after wet sanding with 3000 grit. I am planning to use meguirs m105 and m205. Please guide.
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Where are you located?
@lucasaubin1661 13 күн бұрын
After sanding you should really use something more agressive than a yellow pad, use wool but yeah rupes waffle pads would do the job
@reedfrank2232 26 күн бұрын
What you thought was breaking through crust on a post I made on the Facebook group turned out not to be that. Turned out to be weird water spotting that reappeared after sitting in the sun for a week. Considering the post I made the vehicle had an average of 7mils on the entire truck and was a 2024 with 50miles on it I’m shocked you assumed it was from it being over polished.
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
It’s extremely difficult to tell in a picture
@brooks.5849 26 күн бұрын
Nice video guys, Very informative and a keen video. But i have two honest questions? 1. With RPM/OPM being equivalent would you agree that a 25mm throw is more aggressive than a 21mm than a 15mm and so on..? 2. One of the biggest selling points of the DA was that it wouldn't burn paint on an edge and the rotary will. If you did this same test on an edge of a panel will we get the results? Thanks guys.
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
The longer the stroke, the more agressive the cut. As an example at 2500 OPM, you have the pad making 15, 21, or 25 mm circles, all at the same speed. User error burns edges, not the tool. The edge around the window washer hole burnt through on the DA side, but not on the rotary side.
@brooks.5849 25 күн бұрын
Thank you for the response! Yes obviously operator error is a huge factor on messing up paint. When it comes to tools if we were to ride on an edge on purpose with a Rotary Vs DA, the DA will burn the paint faster. Is that accurate?
@jordanbailey3462 25 күн бұрын
Yes that's correct, that's also what you saw in the video @@brooks.5849
@diydetailofficial 23 күн бұрын
Yes, a DA will burn through faster.
@brooks.5849 23 күн бұрын
@@diydetailofficialWell guys I appreciate you very much for clearing an age old debate. Keep up the wonderful work you are doing!!!
@broncoupe 26 күн бұрын
great vid but a word of caution to newbies the rotary is great and my weapon of choice but when working on the doors and door handles somtimes the rotary even at this slow speed it will dig in to the paint and when you grip is so relaxed that jolt can be enough to remove paint off a soft part
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@zzhughesd 26 күн бұрын
Yup. Panels are shaped. And wool on rotary digs in paint for fun. Takes nothing shave off entire clear in couple seconds
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
That’s why we use it to finish with a fine foam pad
@jeffc6832 26 күн бұрын
Would the result be the same if you did everything the wrong way? Heavy compound, wool pad, high speed and applying pressure?
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
I’ve never polished with the intention of causing damage
@lifev1125 26 күн бұрын
Rotary team 👏🏽🤌🏽 Awesome video! Thanks
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
Appreciate it!!
@BigCarKilla 26 күн бұрын
Interesting to see what happens when downward pressure and/or angle is introduced.
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Heat is generated, cutting is generally slower
@aaronwise3847 24 күн бұрын
Does the wool pad cut with less hazing than a microfiber pad/uro fiber pad?
@diydetailofficial 24 күн бұрын
Yes, many use it for finishing.
@GeorgePap99 26 күн бұрын
I was expecting some flames after these many hours of polishing haha 😂By the way, would 2 passes with the woolpad cut more? Is it worth it to do 2 DA woolpad passes and 1 Rotary Red Jeweling Pad pass for a better result? Ofcourse in terms of time it comes down to how you price this service, but in terms of how much cut the 2nd pass would offer, would it be a better result?
@jeffc6832 26 күн бұрын
Depends on the paint
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Yes, cut the paints with the wool pad until you get the desired results, then finish with the red pad on the Rotary, or the red pad on the rotary.
@dgeldmacher55 24 күн бұрын
I need help with a situation. I bought 2 of the yellow waffle pads and when I was doing my windows, it turned black. So I cleaned the windows again and used the other pad and that also turned black. I let them soak in rinseless all night and the next day the pads were discolored and warped. What did I do wrong and did I ruin these pads?
@diydetailofficial 24 күн бұрын
It’s normal for them to change colour when you touch trim. Soaking them may have harmed them.
@dgeldmacher55 24 күн бұрын
Ugh ok thank you.
@madwax1360 26 күн бұрын
interesting stuff!
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Glad you think so!
@JD.007 19 күн бұрын
i want to purchase a polisher. I cant get both a DA and a rotary. only one. never used one before. recommendations?
@diydetailofficial 19 күн бұрын
DA is more versatile for the one polisher only question
@JD.007 19 күн бұрын
@@diydetailofficialthank you 😊
@omarstephenson8967 15 күн бұрын
So dual action cuts more? Im curious because I paint cars and often times I have to cut with micro sandpaper and polish. So I want what is faster and gives best results.. I have a rotary polisher. Planning on getting a dual action cordless one .
@diydetailofficial 14 күн бұрын
Get at least a 21 mm
@jimwhalen6769 26 күн бұрын
When will you have the yellow pads available?
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
This week
@jimwhalen6769 26 күн бұрын
I see they are in stock! I had left my email for notification when they were back in stock and have not received an email.
@v8tergt653 26 күн бұрын
This pad is more for a final gloss finish? I tried removing swirls on a car yesterday with a wool pad and heavy cutting pad and it took 25passes, cant imagine with a pad that is made for final finish.
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Yes , that’s a one step pad
@yaranzo5pwns 23 күн бұрын
Those are deep scratches and hard clear coat. If you want to completely remove deep scratches in search for perfection its going to take a lot of passes. We're removing clear coat, and you need to make the decision whether or not you want to remove so much of something that's supposed to be there to protect the paint. With the yellow waffle and gold standard polish on a DA polisher I can remove 50% of most scratches and greatly reduce the appearance of the remaining imperfections with 3-4 passes. That should be enough for most people not trying to bring their cars to a show.
@alvin3502 26 күн бұрын
Will rotary with microfiber pad create marring like your wool pad?
@dillon599 26 күн бұрын
You never want to use microfiber on a rotary it creates to much heat
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Will create too much heat
@OraEtLabora0 26 күн бұрын
3:02 very INTERESTING ! 2024 TRCMA the LakeCountry chaps said rotary should be used with their pad washer 4000 to expel liquid from a pad. they literally said not DA... 😳 should i find timestamp for it?
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Very interesting, I helped in the development of the system 4000, and in the official Lake County video, they show it used more with a DA than a rotary. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ipaXdrCWncjepps.htmlsi=E3Du8sYuGo8yq_Km
@OraEtLabora0 26 күн бұрын
@@diydetailofficial slight correction: he kind of implies not to use DA (thought i didn't get his point with flinging compound), but he doesn't say it cannot/mustn't be used 🤷♂ 5:33:32 - 5:33:53 kzfaq.infoMvv_07FSUFs?si=qDM96JsmYBFAA7ax&t=20012
@btbd2785 25 күн бұрын
I actually posed this question to Lake Country. Jay explained to me with some math/ scientific calculations and said that Rotary does cut faster. On a rotary polisher, more work is done further away from the center because that's the part of the pad that travels furthest and fastest. On a random orbital, more than 80% of the work being done is by the small orbit, so in compariosn a 8mm DA Vs Rotary. so this😢 will change with a larger throw polisher. So I am wondering if because of the fact that this is a 25mm Da it made a differnec? I did t think that much a difference. I am also wondering if the gear reductions you have in each machine . Rotary being 25:1 and the DA 5:1, are these exact ratios also used in other mfgs Rotaries and DA? Also, you are testing this on a flat panel, what happened when your working on doors and other area that are curved? These are heavy machines and I am wondering for someone who does a number of cars a day. Like a detail shop how their arms will feel from the extra weight
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
Thanks for the questions, yes an 8mm DA is far from effective. The 25mm stroke( or even a 21mm) is much more efficient than a rotary. One additional benefit of cutting with a DA is that less time is spent refining the surface. Curves make little difference, as our DA isn’t prone to stalling . The gear reduction we chose for our machines are not the industry norm, but we engineered the Machines to be effective at lower pad speed to reduce heat generation. Our machines are solid in feel, but no heavier than competitors on the market, in fact they are lighter than many.
@hemi4743 24 күн бұрын
I apologize for being annoying last couple weeks, but I still waiting for All Clean and iron remover. 😊
@diydetailofficial 24 күн бұрын
Working on it!
@vernonfreeman63 25 күн бұрын
When will you be restocking the website? It looks like almost everything is sold out.
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
Most will be returning late this week
@67Jeff 27 күн бұрын
Are they back in stock yet?
@diydetailofficial 27 күн бұрын
In approximately a month
@dariuszprzybys3849 26 күн бұрын
Hi from Poland
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Hello there!
@user-tg3gv6ty9v 27 күн бұрын
Awesome
@diydetailofficial 27 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@thesamsquatch5224 26 күн бұрын
The rotary has been wronged for many years. When all along it’s the safer, glossier machine when used correctly.
@AJ56 26 күн бұрын
Not to mention much smoother vibration wise.
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Marketing isn’t always positive.
@thesamsquatch5224 26 күн бұрын
@@diydetailofficial you’re correct. But I think the DIY rotary will really bring it back.
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@CriticuhL_ 26 күн бұрын
@@diydetailofficialthats such an excellent point. Makes me wonder what else we dont use/accept due to wild marketing campaigns
@linus5425 26 күн бұрын
I would liketo buy a rotaty dly machine and the DIY detail products, but the problem is I need shipping to México...
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Try www.shopusa.com
@1stfrompuertorico568 27 күн бұрын
Ready
@diydetailofficial 27 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@SoulforSale 13 күн бұрын
Ive knicked the trim before It burns almost instantly.
@diydetailofficial 13 күн бұрын
Unfortunately it can happen
@silni7 22 күн бұрын
Do you guys plan on exporting your products to Serbia ? Id like to try them.
@diydetailofficial 22 күн бұрын
If a local distributor wants to sell them
@MrJeffdsmackay 26 күн бұрын
👍
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Thank you.
@jordanbailey3462 25 күн бұрын
I am looking to do some paint correction on a 2021 tesla model 3 that is often considered to have "soft paint". The 2005 suzuki this hood was from, do you know what type of clear coat was being used? I heard older clearcoat is stronger than the newer water based. Thanks for the great video.
@diydetailofficial 25 күн бұрын
This was definitely a very hard clearcoat.
@thewealthadvisor 24 күн бұрын
This almost took 7 hours?!
@diydetailofficial 24 күн бұрын
Yes
@zzhughesd 26 күн бұрын
Rotary cuts for fun. With danger. Nicer to use. DA is just not the same.
@jeffc6832 26 күн бұрын
Apparently you didn't bother to watch the video...
@zzhughesd 26 күн бұрын
@@jeffc6832 yup. Watched it twice instead !!!!! Wrong test. Flat surface. No pressure. Swage lines and creases any pressure on rotary and massively diff result angles !
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
I’ve been cutting with a DA for decades, and finishing with a rotary. It works, it’s not the right way, it simply one of the ways of getting the job done.
@jeffc6832 26 күн бұрын
@@zzhughesd but that's the point. You should keep the pad flat to the surface being worked on with no pressure, adjusting for angles and swage lines.
@zzhughesd 26 күн бұрын
@@jeffc6832 Thanks, I'm a bad hobbyist who cuts too quickly, budget stock scratched up top coat, maybe 3 a week around 8 odd cars have to valet in and out. I hit heavy cut and wool on most and apply pressure. I know I'm doing it wrong, I slow around swage lines and creases and try speed through the flat panels. I do use mostly wool, or heavy cut foam.. I find I'm on the car all day on a DA, I have two forced rotation DA's as a happy place but seam to just use rotary for speed
@OraEtLabora0 26 күн бұрын
20:18 apparently japanese are meant to be soft paints...
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Not always
@ericcashler4919 26 күн бұрын
Except the 5 5 5
@diydetailofficial 26 күн бұрын
Yes
@RobFarnham 26 күн бұрын
I would like to see that. 5lbs speed 5 for 10 min lol
@norm379 24 күн бұрын
NEVER NEVER USE A BUFFER ON A CAR..NEVER..
@victoryensured7137 24 күн бұрын
First of all,,buffer"? U mean a DA or Rotary? Secondly - why not? If you have NO experience then get a panel from the junkyard and train on it, if you do it is a wonderful machine - I did it by hand all those years and boy was I missing out
@diydetailofficial 24 күн бұрын
Why not?
@smoothross7509 24 күн бұрын
Still out of a lot of product.
@diydetailofficial 23 күн бұрын
Unfortunately, yes, our manufacturing facilities can’t keep up with demand, we are increasing production capacity.
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