Max racing constantly is a changing beast though I think. The quality of his teammate (or lack thereof) IU think masks the fluctuaitons between when he's raising the floor vs when he's raising the ceiling Agree with the second paragraph. Lewus' challenge (which he seems to have accepted) is dealig with the new whippersnappers - and its got much more to do with the quality of those drivers than any drop off in his own performance

@@tyredf1pod The reason i think Max always racing is a big thing is because he stays battle ready. Even when Red Bull are not on pace which is rare he is always still doing what he can. How many times can you say Max had a off weekend where he just never seemed on it. Even Lewis in his best years had races where he was just completely off it for a weekend. Yes checo isnt the best so we have no1 to compare him too, but in 2021 we saw what he can do Vs Lewis.

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Ability is indeed like no other. But he can get angry. Has been a while though since that last happened.

​@@tyredf1podI don't think Max cares who his teammate is. It does not matter as Max wants to win every race, lead every lap. It does not matter

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thats great perception.. after a rough start of the year. And Jos staying home for Canada (dunno if that was that important) it marked the end of an era and the start of a very consistent period that basically didnt end.

What about the rain race of Brazil 2016

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Raising the floor is usually the teams part of the equation (make the car go faster, level up teams dynamics and do the right thing), whilst the driver tends to be more raising the ceiling (get everything or at least the most out of the available package). But there are some very rare driver exceptions that can help raise the floor as well. Max is most definitely the best at that, whilst Lewis to me never came across as someone involved with floors, let alone raising them. Btw it's not that Max necessarily raises the floor of the Red Bull car, but he raises the floor of the team he works with by never accepting anything less than utter perfection from himself, implicitly forcing his team/ side of the garage to go 100% in as well. You see this in who Red Bull hires, their pit stops (FAST!) and everything. The Red Bull garage of Max is the living embodiment of Mercedes: the best or nothing.

Mate, we absolutely feel the same way

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Fair point Reckon it’s a question of extent though…

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100 percent agree with your second paragraph I think theres enough detail difference beween the really top guys to drop contenders into one group or another...predominantly

@@tyredf1pod The difference is the length of sustained performance. They can all do it for one race, maybe one season. But the ability to do it relentlessly for seasons, decades, is the mark of quality. That's a mental quality, not just talent. I'm sure Verstappen will rise to this, ubt let's take Vettel ( who gets criminally slept on) his form in a RB is very different from his form at Ferrari. We still have to see if Verstappen can maintain this relentless quality - considering he's basically been bred for F1 - it's something that should be baked in.

I agree that all goat contenders can do both. So I don’t think it’s one or the other. They raise the floor and ceiling. It’s proof at times throughout their career.

@@livefast-xc8lm Agree, depends where they are in their career. Last two years has been Hamilton bashing something out of the car, so it's more floor. The WDC years it as more ceiling.

@@Dir3ctH3X yup but you could also say during McLaren’s down years he’s had podiums and a win in a car that didn’t deserve it. Compared to his teammate. Floor aspect is evident. And ceiling is evident Merc years

Yeh we might have got that the wrong way round !

I think its more of him having low motivations due to the team's poor form at the moment and also there are reports mentioning that Aston Martin have been using Alonso to test various correlations and set ups to get the understandings of their car while letting Stroll have the benefits with his car

That’s the point right? A car that maybe shouldn’t have been up there but Alonso hustles a time out of it anyway

Not now though.

I take your point but I think it’s a question of extent. Lewis’ back catalogue suggests the flow element of his driving isn’t as strong as the way he lifts the ceiling - that’s what defines him Of course I think he can drive a bad car, but with Max it seems to be much more consistent no matter the car. Even aside from the examples I’ve given Lewis had random off days when the car and him just didn’t click - Monaco 2021 is a good example

@@f.kieranfinney457 the conversation is overall I believe but obviously not now. Max wont have this level of success always. We’ll be having similar convos like we did for Vettel Schumacher Alonso Hamilton. You can’t win forever

@@tyredf1pod I mean I get that but you can find examples of max having off days as well. Early in his career as you mentioned he did not have that maturity and made mistakes. That’s having an off day. If he wasn’t clicked with his car he’d overcompensate and make some bad mistakes. That is considered having off days. Lewis may not do that during the later stages of his career but he definitely dragged some of those McLaren cars to wins and podiums just like max did some of those redbulls. So that’s why I say max isn’t exclusive to both floor and ceiling category because Lewis has demonstrated both as well just like max has. That’s all I’m saying. They both can do both max does floor better Lewis does ceiling better. I think they both even out tho. I can’t say one’s a better driver all time f1 history because one does better than the other. Ultimately you’d be saying max is better all time because he’s in his own category but I’m just saying that’s not true because Lewis has demonstrated both as well. Overall max may have better floor performance, Lewis may have better ceiling performance but both can do both and have demonstrated both.

And how does giving feedback make him slower than George? Lewis is trying to make the car suit him better than George. So of course he’s giving feedback. George is doing exactly the same. Every driver does at this level.

@@f.kieranfinney457 tell us how not giving feedback will make the car suit him and eventually go faster? In my opinion George is actually threatened by Sr Lewis because despite him having an upper hand in quali and race trim, the advantage George have is so tiny looking at the age difference.

wasn't that being said about Lewis? That he's very good at driving every car he's given, but has virtually no clue on how to set a car up for different tracks and conditions? That being the reason he did so well when having a teammate knowing that shit and copying the set-up (Alonso, Button, Rosberg and Bottas) - and was prety shit when was team mate with Kovalainen and Russel?

Lol Reckon we might leave it to you lot on this one. Don’t worry we will continue to disagree shortly

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Honestly? A significant portion of Formula media now believes Max Verstappen might be the most talented formula 1 driver ever. Eddie Jordan, who has managed both Senna and Schumacher, truly believes Max is better. Niki Lauda, after Brazil 2016 said Max was the most talented driver he had ever seen and talent of the century.....while working for Mercedes

@@Lanse1984 Gerhard berger, a close Friend of Senna, rates verstappen above Senna. Also Schumacher never had a strong team mate. So you're denying that he does not belong to the greats? So who according to you is? HAM? HAM lost out to some non-great teammates as well.

@Wmeester1971 I'm not sure what you believe I wrote.... my favorite driver all-time was Senna. I am in that age group that actually had the chance to watch him, and I never thought I would ever see a better driver, but Max Verstappen is better than Senna. Maybe not at every aspect of racing but Max has no weaknesses

@@Wmeester1971 You misread the person you are replying to, you both seem to agree.