Whipple Stage 1 S650 Goes Back to the Dyno after KILLER Track Day - What Happened?
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2 ай бұрынWe venture to @tunedbynorm3635 and revisit our previous dyno results.
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@stanielz 2 ай бұрын
Imagine how much power itll make in 10th gear!
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Try it
@stanielz 2 ай бұрын
@@MurphysLawGarage that needs to be your next video, E99 + 10th gear, really show those S550s guys. Stage 1 power.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
I’m gonna unlock 11th gear and spray it.
@thefitnesslife4988 2 ай бұрын
@@stanielz😂
@dankolicious10 2 ай бұрын
It could even be a combination of things. The air bubble in the charge air cooling system slightly reduced the cooling efficiency, the blower likely loosened up after use, questionable gas, and increased weight/friction from the drag radials, and what was the DA and Grains on each day? Without accurate data logs and DA information to review, its all just guessing.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
We have data logs from the original dyno, both days had remarkably similar DA’s right around 2300 and water grain was higher dyno day2
@diambo4life 2 ай бұрын
9:00 Not only cooling but as an alcohol it has more oxygen content which is a power adder.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
That’s right, I should’ve mentioned that. Thanks
@pdai5426 Ай бұрын
Gonna order the Stage 1 whipple for the my 24 GT Mustang tomorrow! Good video! Thanks.
@MurphysLawGarage Ай бұрын
You’ll love it!
@pdai5426 Ай бұрын
@@MurphysLawGarage thank you! Just ordered it! So excited
@MarqJimmy 12 күн бұрын
Get ready for the 8 week wait time
@pdai5426 12 күн бұрын
@@MarqJimmy 4 weeks in. 8 more to go! 😄
@MurphysLawGarage 12 күн бұрын
@pdai5426 it’s worth the wait, just be happy you didn’t have to wait as long as us pre-order guys! 8 weeks is the normal lead time.
@uptoolayte1 2 ай бұрын
I might pull the trigger on Lebanon Fords base GT with the stage one for $49,995. This video kinda pushed me over the edge. Thank you!
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Do it!
@robvas 2 ай бұрын
Were you able to log any data while doing those pulls? That should explain those dips
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
I dont believe we logged that particular run
@L6F1 2 ай бұрын
Cringed so hard during that 7th gear dyno pull dont do that man🤐
@MrPrime269 2 ай бұрын
I’m gonna ask Alex for a 7th gear leave tune
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Only way to show the numbers everyone is so concerned about…
@MrPrime269 2 ай бұрын
@@MurphysLawGarage yeah but you guys are gonna burn out the clutches sure it’s 1:1 but ford recommends not dynoing it in 7th
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
@MrPrime269 the car is warranted by whipple and we had permission to test in 6-7th otherwise we wouldn’t have. I’m not a dyno queen car kinda guy so chances are you wont see much if anymore of this as I use trap speed/weight to determine effective HP.
@merc2275 2 ай бұрын
E30 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Fucking Gimmick Tunes
@philboostdemon5444 2 ай бұрын
Is the "free flowing" exhaust a new mod compared to the last time?
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
No, the car has had it since nearly day1 of ownership.
@rayiniguez7341 2 ай бұрын
Can you clarify whether your horsepower numbers are SAE or STD? I'm not sure if I'm reading it correctly, but I see STD at the top right of the page.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
STD
@brandonbarnett9919 2 ай бұрын
So in order to see the numbers whipped advertises you have to dyno the car wrong and hurt the transmission in the long run, Put in octance booster, and remove the cats so they dont melt.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
The car made the number on 93, and has cats. Of course you’d need to go 1:1 to see the number… unless you want to guess? Don’t do it with yours.
@brandonbarnett9919 2 ай бұрын
Would rather not, the 10r trash as it is. Don't need to smoke my clutches for a dyno number. But your data is nice.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
@brandonbarnett9919 good thing is has a warranty.
@ArabianOak 2 ай бұрын
how is it trash? aint too many people reporting problems with them. so many haters on this post. @@brandonbarnett9919
@sn95_mustang_garage 2 ай бұрын
Did Whipple ask you to make this video? I'm sensing you got some heat from them. The facts are Stage 1 is less power than advertised due to their warranty tune. So skip this one and buy a Stage 2.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
No, we wanted to know if it made more power after the track day considering.
@an6517 2 ай бұрын
Warranty still means a lot to a ton of people
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
It does to me.
@chuckharter5954 2 ай бұрын
We do not have a warranty tune, all stage 1 tunes are the same, powertrain warranty or not. And no, no one from Whipple has asked for any videos, track results etc. In fact i've told him multiple times to post whatever he feels the need to, Whipple does not manipulate any customers.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
@chuckharter5954 that’s right, you wanted the transparency minute 1 just like we did and patience resulted in vindication. Everyone needs to put their tin foil hats down. It’s ironic we were once praised for that said transparency and when the script no longer fits, they flip. Tsk tsk, people wanted a narrative, not Data 🤧
@henryharle89 2 ай бұрын
Im so happy this all worked out for you. I am considering doing this to my new GT next spring. I only have 300miles on it right now and want to finish breaking it in before I decide. How many miles did you have on yours ? Again Congrats and best wishes
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Don’t second guess, do it! The kit was installed at 5k miles
@uptoolayte1 2 ай бұрын
Would the power be any different if this was the manual?
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Yes, there is less drivetrain loss on a manual so the number will be higher.
@uptoolayte1 2 ай бұрын
@@MurphysLawGarage Great news, thank you!
@uptoolayte1 2 ай бұрын
One more question: Do you think the mt82 can handle the power? I know the auto can but manual has a less than optimal history.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
From what I’ve seen it really depends on the driver’s ability. You can’t be too rough on those MT82’s. I’d think you’d need to be prepared immediately for a stronger clutch and to expect a transmission failure is possible.
@123paisa 2 ай бұрын
Are you in contact with whipple
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Yes, it’s mentioned in both videos.
@terrykaz5095 2 ай бұрын
Well done.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Thanks
@jtokidjb 2 ай бұрын
Just here for all my mustang information.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the view/comment
@jtokidjb 2 ай бұрын
3950 is lighter than my gen1 by 10 lbs!
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
With me in it - Super base spec special ordered
@FitzCityGarage 2 ай бұрын
Now I know you don't believe the tire thing, however it is a thing depending on the dyno. Tim Barth, the #1 tuner for Hellcats, his dyno runs ~40HP lower with drag radials on it due to the sticky tire. How do I know? I had my car done by him at his shop and he said he did testing to prove this. He has his dyno variances locked in and knows what to expect depending on the tire. Strangely enough, I had some other shops chime in and agree with it as well. Good video!
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
I’ve seen quite a few videos on this topic, and I agree with those results on an aired down Hoosier DBR, ET Street R etc etc, but the handful of results I’ve seen of these stiffer radials like the SS aired up resulted in negligible loss. Thanks for the watch!
@01gt46 2 ай бұрын
I thought I heard that Tim was getting back in the Mustang scene. He did my cams years ago when he had Modular Powerhouse. He knows his shit.
@billydisbrow5515 2 ай бұрын
I’m leaning more towards not as good of fuel on the install day vs today Either way it rips
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
100% agree brother.
@enrikdhima654 2 ай бұрын
Fantastic Analysis JB! Ppl will still nitpick about both Stages. Facts/Math are a stubborn thing. Fact of the matter is that Whipple did get it right. (Albeit with quite a few speed bumps and sometimes frustrating mix messaging) Conclusion = No octane boosting on S1! (Unless crappy fuel) 93/E30 much better S2 Total beast with 93/E30 and pulley.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Thanks, good wrap up on your part. I love it when people actually listen to the video fully through. Sometimes my analysis develops through the video finally landing on a conclusion, so I can tell when commenters skip around. I leave that in there so people understand my thought process.
@enrikdhima654 2 ай бұрын
@@MurphysLawGarage Indeed! 🙏
@jbp1981 2 ай бұрын
It's all just theories until you data log
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
We have data logs from the first dyno session we discuss. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i8mYp9JqqKmYk2Q.htmlsi=tN8sboWQmmbiq-nw
@jbp1981 2 ай бұрын
@@MurphysLawGarage I meant datalog comparison between both dyno days. It just sounds like the car is doing what it is commanded to do this time vs last time. Better air, better fuel, etc.
@Goingforbroke71 2 ай бұрын
In our experience the calibration is the limiting factor. No matter the octane nor the exhaust scenario the car would limit the output up top.. power under the curve was great with gains shown with every change of the car, but once the revs climbed above 6000, the charts all pulled together. So in other words, if you don’t have a dyno chart that pulls to redline it’s hard to estimate the actual power made. What were your timing numbers on the various pulls??
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Whipple says on the stage1 kits they throttle back to meet the safe HP target, there is more there. 19-20*
@Goingforbroke71 2 ай бұрын
@@MurphysLawGarage What we saw as well
@ClickbaitMotorsports 2 ай бұрын
I hope that Whipple 💰 gets y'all something nice. 👍
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
You must mean that $10k hole in my bank acct.
@ArabianOak 2 ай бұрын
wtf are you talking about?
@Boosted.5ohh 2 ай бұрын
*to bad even with warranty ford will deny the warranty like they did with a dude in the f150 forum with his Shelby the cats blew his motor and they said he was driving it too hard 😂*
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
That vehicle threw catalyst codes and the owner continued to beat on it. Tell the whole story.
@sergebasque8460 2 ай бұрын
I agree with the mph yes the air lock to the whipple is good quality and make power it gone get better.👏😎🇨🇦👍💪
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
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@Lifeof728 2 ай бұрын
Wait people on line said BOOSTANE was equivalent to stealing the election 😂
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Makes no real power on a stage1, but it could definitely help a pulleyed stage2 at higher boost.
@kirkkarnage6344 2 ай бұрын
The computer needed time to learn. And the tires. Now get your carbon fiber drive shaft, and take out the other seats and hit those 9s
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Nick at whipple said no to the adaptive argument.
@kirkkarnage6344 2 ай бұрын
@@MurphysLawGarage maybe not but it makes since. Unless the supercharger has a break in period. There could be multiple things.
@kirkkarnage6344 2 ай бұрын
@@MurphysLawGarage either way it is time to start dropping weight, and making videos showing gains from dropping weight.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
We will progress the car, just want to get passed summer.
@1blacktrike Ай бұрын
I'm going with: you ran it out to 7th gear. If I remember correctly you wouldn't run it out to 7th and did your first pulls to 6th only. Also, I think that fellows Dyno is a DOG not the car. Running it out to 7th would equate to approximately 30hp more which would be what your numbers are in these runs, approximately. Honestly, when you have to juggle four balls, standing on one foot while balancing an umbrella on your head to get good numbers - to me is just ludicrous...🤷♂ Especially, when I'm watching Palm Beach Dyno do stock cars after whipple installs and hitting 720+ HP ... Take it to another Dyno and run it.
@MurphysLawGarage Ай бұрын
We dyno’ed in 7th gear the first time as well. Mitch’s dyno is a newer unit than PBD’s. PBD has only dyno’ed stage2 cars. We went to the track after this and ran a 10.2 @ 134mph at 1800DA on e30 which suggests ~750whp. 705whp on 93 was correct.
@1blacktrike Ай бұрын
@@MurphysLawGarage Oh - now that’s surely better - but like you I’m shocked at the difference… with no REAL PHYSICAL fix that has taken place 👍🏻
@MurphysLawGarage Ай бұрын
I do genuinely think the gas was bad.
@LongStroke01 2 ай бұрын
So Whipple sent you the better tune so that you would give them a thumbs up? Alex was right. Research what a 7th gear pull could do to your car, no bueno..
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
Some people have morals, no - it’s the original tune and I explain what we believe happened at the end after the car made a number at the track. Alex is a little too deep in you, ask him to pull out.
@chuckharter5954 2 ай бұрын
Whipple has not sent any tune revisions. Infact its quite complicated to do so given our relationship with Ford and the unlock process on this calibration.
@LongStroke01 2 ай бұрын
@@MurphysLawGarage Another keyboard warrior I see.
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
You came here with an accusation that flies in the face of my morals, expect a response.
@smckissy 2 ай бұрын
Super fasttttttttt 😮😮😮😮😮
@MurphysLawGarage 2 ай бұрын
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