Who is Melinoë in Hades II? - Greek Gods Explained

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@ANDPEGGY-1 Жыл бұрын

last time I was this early Zeus wasn't hooking up with some random lady

@NomercyMohau14 Жыл бұрын

Impossible

@KingsBard Жыл бұрын

bullsh*t

@elpepe3923 Жыл бұрын

When wasnt he?

@supernova9361 Жыл бұрын

So his birth?

@stephenriddell903 Жыл бұрын

@@elpepe3923 he didn’t when Aphrodite was “born”

@doggo7078 Жыл бұрын

1:10 "the developers have clearly included the moons into her character" _Proceeds to circle every little moon there is but the giant and obvious moon-like dagger that makes a quarter of the image_

@realistdemon7242 Жыл бұрын

‘At’s a sickle that is.

@doggo7078 Жыл бұрын

@@realistdemon7242 moon-like sickle

@realistdemon7242 Жыл бұрын

@@doggo7078 Yea.

@Toastman30K Жыл бұрын

@@realistdemon7242 I saw some people theorise that Sickle may be Kronos' old Sickle, kind of like how Hades' old spear is a weapons Zagreus can use

@hugorodriguez8672 Жыл бұрын

"moon like dagger", isn't that just a sickle?

@toufos1 Жыл бұрын

In the orphic hymns Melinoe and Hecate were referred to by the same adjective ''κροκόπεπλος'' (wearing a yellow veil) as if they were the same person and some theorise that Melinoe is a surname to Hecate.Considering in the trailer Hecate has her features concealed and the plot suggests some time shenanigans it's possible that Hecate is an older version of Melinoe.

@jerkel Жыл бұрын

Twilight Princess Link style

@OctopusLady Жыл бұрын

That's so interesting! Because Zagreus was also associated with and possibly was another version of a different god (Dionysus, as pointed out in the game, but some believed that Zag was also just another form of Hades). I guess "potentially being another version of a different god" runs in the family.

@SomeoneTookMyOldName Жыл бұрын

@@OctopusLady in the first game the do reference that. You can get some dialog with Dionysus, where him and zag joke to Orpheus that Dionysus is revived zag, and Orpheus believes it, even after zag tries to explain that it was a jokr

@H240909 Жыл бұрын

What “time shenanigans”?

@OctopusLady Жыл бұрын

@@SomeoneTookMyOldName yes! I worded that kind of funny in my comment (I probably should have said something like, "Zag was possibly another version of Dionysus, which the game pointed out") but yeah, I completely LOST IT when I saw that convo between Zag and Dio in the game. And I just realized that the game also kinda acknowledges that Zagreus was also believed to be another version of Hades, with how Poseidon always called him "Little Hades!" God, I am constantly impressed with the amount of research Supergiant Games put into Hades I. Hades II is gonna be AMAZING.

@johantank5631 Жыл бұрын

I think the reason one of the reasons melinoe is being represented as the daughter of hades is because in the Orphic tradition which is what we know of her from, Zeus and hades are often synchronized/ considered the same god ( this may mean that in the lost Hellenistic view she just might be the daughter of hades like Zagreus seemingly was)

@someplant5971 Жыл бұрын

I was aware of hades and Poseidon being one in the same in mycenaean times, but I wasn't aware of that, could you source that for me?

@OptimusPhillip 7 ай бұрын

@@someplant5971 The Wikipedia page for Melinoë cites three different authors for the Zeus/Hades syncretism theory. Timothy Gantz ("Early Greek Myth"), Andrzej Wypustek ("Images of Eternal Beauty in Funerary Verse Inscriptions of the Hellenistic Period"), and David Hillman ("Hermaphrodites, Gynomorphs and Jesus: She-male Gods and the roots of Christianity", with apologies to any trans folks who might take offense to that title)

@MeliesCinemagician Жыл бұрын

So, Melinoe is basically the goddess of jumpscares?

@arthurdias6860 Жыл бұрын

basically yeah

@boyboilNEO9055 10 ай бұрын

She is Mrs afton

@ventusthekey5187 Ай бұрын

People theorize that she's the goddess of Ghosts and Nightmares.

@TyBe-uo4ud Ай бұрын

She gave birth to fnaf

@SentaiYamaneko Жыл бұрын

Speaking of obscure gods, I gushed when I saw Moros in the trailer. He doesn't get nearly as much attention as his siblings, so it's nice to see more of him.

@HanamoriKuna Жыл бұрын

Yes yes yes. I love the idea of supergiant bringing more obscure gods to the forefront. I’m extreemely excited to see what they do with this minor goddess and how she ties with the events of Hades.

@hexcraftgaming Жыл бұрын

Fun fact the text comes from a group that also saw Zeus and Hades as the same god This group also saw Zag as the first Dionysus before his death and rebirth

@hasanmuttaqin464 Жыл бұрын

which the first game did mention, zag and dionysus did a practical prank on orpheus pretending to be the same person

@sigvebeyer9765 Жыл бұрын

I’m so hyped for how the story will work this time. The last game had whooping like it was the Dionysia.

@johmlemon532 Жыл бұрын

Bro got me all excited at the start thinking I could find out some new myths about melinoë, because unsurprisingly, I’ve never REALLY heard of myths about her. I was all excited because I’ve pretty much run out of myths to be obsessed with… soo

@redjirachi1 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if we might end up meeting Erebus in Hades 2. He's Nyx's husband/brother (which one they'll want to take is up to them) and out of the primordials he's easily the least explored of in fictional media

@rosaryaignis4028 Жыл бұрын

It's also possible to have a trilogy cause then Hades' children have 3 which is Zag, Melinoe, and Makaria/Macaria. I really do hope Macaria will show up, but wonder how would her story play out.

@El_Bufon14 Жыл бұрын

PLEASE EGYPTIANS MYTHOLOGY NEXT!!

@gabrielrussell5531 Жыл бұрын

So after killing Osiris, Set (Osiris' brother) is all set to be king. Isis brings Osiris back long enough to conceive Horus. Horus grows up and decides to assert his claim to the throne. Set assaults Horus, and Mediterranean power-dynamics are all aboot who has ejaculated inside whom, so Horus is now less fit than Set to be king. Horus then secretly "Seasons" Set's salad to even the score. Since both of them have had their semen inside the other it was declared a wash so they'd have to come up with a new contest: They'd race boats made of stone. Horus wins by cheating: He paints a wooden boat to look stone, and as such he wins.

@Jenna_Talia Жыл бұрын

Imagine if Supergiant just ends up becoming the "mythology game studio" lmao. I'd be interested to see how furries would react to Anubis.

@El_Bufon14 Жыл бұрын

@@Jenna_Talia they would go insane

@Ravagerblade 5 ай бұрын

Nord myths may have been done over and over again but I'd still go for it, but also imagine if they did what ifs, So To aru Majutsu no Index Othinus is a female character but in NT10 she says how mortals imagine her as an Old man with a Beard etc or so. So what if they had Odin just be Othinus etc... Female Thor etc... eh kek

@englishwithdillon Жыл бұрын

Hey Jake, have you ever considered doing grimms fairy tales? I think your interpretation of them would be hilarious

@atitatamariska4219 Жыл бұрын

Yes!! Bring this up!!

@4bitmonitor373 Ай бұрын

Considering the game is in early access, I played a bunch of the beginning You're mostly on point, Hecate IS the Witch character & Melinoe DOES have a connection to the moon/Selene Well done Jake!

@petertownsend9148 Жыл бұрын

This is interesting because when I first saw her I assumed she was an Empousa. The single metallic leg and working for Hecate both support this. Maybe they're combining the ideas together

@federicokina9998 Жыл бұрын

She is Hecate! In the trailer's informations there are the names of the dubbing actors and Hecate is explicitly mentioned I am so hyped btw lol

@brainoffgaming Жыл бұрын

I've recently discovered your channel and also recently binged all your content. I love your vids !!

@trotskystarallies2284 Жыл бұрын

id be really curious to hear your take on modern adaptations of greek mythology and how you *PERSONALLY* would adapt greek mythology into your own creative work. do you prefer accuracy or entertainment value? do you have a favorite adaptation? (btw im not trying to ask what people SHOULD do just what you would want to see.) thank you! love your work and videos

@anneb4520 Жыл бұрын

Zeus and Hades were considered by the Orphics (the main source we have for Melinoe) two aspects of the same god, by assuming the Guise of Hades it was meant he had become Hades literally

@darkxwizzard Жыл бұрын

Thank you KZfaq Algorithm for randomly putting this on my feed. Watched a couple more of your videos after this and dropped a sub. Your videos are informative and you manage to get those information across in a quick, entertaining way.

@tirsobrunk7364 Жыл бұрын

I love your vids, keep up the good work😊

@azvelyn Жыл бұрын

I wonder if Asteria is gonna be mentioned in any way or have a role in this game with how, if that really is, Hecate playing a bigger role in this game.

@Brian-tn4cd Жыл бұрын

Trailer credits show that it was definitely Hecate

@_randombeans Жыл бұрын

Melinoë is the goddess of ghosts, nightmares and funerary rites if you didn't know..

@Fabulouszz Жыл бұрын

Now we need a 30 second video on Zagreus

@Monasster Жыл бұрын

I was looking into her story a bit and it seems that Zeus and Hades at some points/regions in Greek history were considered the same god but split thus resulting in this confusion between who's daughter she was. Interesting if accurate

@cookieoutrage Жыл бұрын

10 something hours since Hades II released and now there is an animated vid about it. I'm so happy.

@CY3ER Ай бұрын

Wow, you were pretty much spot on!

@idokaplan2086 Жыл бұрын

Cool video! Put a link to the Hecate video in the description please!

@tirthasimanta2608 Жыл бұрын

If you haven't already can you do one explaining zagreus's origins?

@leeshajoi Жыл бұрын

I second this! My knowledge of Zagreus comes exclusively from OSP's Dionysus video, which only mentioned him in passing.

@Zenrielle Жыл бұрын

Love your video 😃

@niallmarsh1446 Жыл бұрын

Great vid! have you ever thought of explaining the story in the percy jackson books. Maybe some things they got wrong about greek mythology.

@ollo3934 Жыл бұрын

I'm more impressed by the initiative of making this video than the actual video lol

@therealfraimer3169 Жыл бұрын

You Need ti do a family tree of the greek mitology

@Gerisvaldo Жыл бұрын

They don't have a family tree They have a family pretzel

@The_pitbull536 Жыл бұрын

@@Gerisvaldo no they have a family fractal

@thevrana 24 күн бұрын

I must say, this aged wonderfully. Nailed everything\

@pandazatthedisco Жыл бұрын

Ever made a video about the extensive history and records about zagreus? I'd like to know more

@Friendly_Forest_Goblin Жыл бұрын

Idea for video it’s Roman mythology but it’s just the first Greek mythology video but it is just a crudely pasted over the original names

@zayne4640 Жыл бұрын

I have some stories you could possibly talk or animate about: -Theseus and the Minotaur -Arachne -Idunn and her apples, which tell us how the aesir stay young

@OptimusPhillip 10 ай бұрын

So far, we're 1 out of 3.

@J1P2K Жыл бұрын

Now do a video on Zagreus. It will allow you to keep on the Hades' train.

@Pluto-yf6fy Жыл бұрын

Surely we have a video on the obscure god that is Zagreus

@krimsonkatt Жыл бұрын

I thought he already did?

@Pluto-yf6fy Жыл бұрын

@@krimsonkatt double checked and unless I’m mistaken Jake hasn’t - he did one on Kratos but not on Zagreus.

@fishy664 Жыл бұрын

Can you do a video talking about all the stuff in the original game, oh and one talking about creatures from greek mythology or maybe just the gods pets.

@luxiam9148 Жыл бұрын

As someone who really likes greek mythology but also doesn't read much about the obscure stuff, I LOVE how Supergiant can bring it into light and how they portray the characters

@realistdemon7242 Жыл бұрын

Well that’s officially a new low for Zeus.

@Korinengamecorp Жыл бұрын

I dunno, that seems pretty on brand

@Garden_of_Edin Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love her design. Props to the characters designers.

@Ravagerblade 5 ай бұрын

Idk about her hair style though

@jakelevinson7802 Жыл бұрын

I recently talk to the developers, they actually make their games so Jacob will have stuff to talk about. They just don’t wanna see him go hungry the poor little guy

@finnimus2547 Жыл бұрын

my man... the announcement was yesterday..... how the hell did you make this video so fast jesus

@JakeDoubleyoo Жыл бұрын

It helps when there are fewer than 150 words ever recorded about the god.

@calamedisgaunt916 Жыл бұрын

@@JakeDoubleyoo hey would you ever consider doing Indian mythology in the future?

@kuski5512 Жыл бұрын

I didnt play the first game and didnt realise its getting sequel but it looks nice, I Might get it In time

@lolcerditorock Жыл бұрын

Man, it is kind of sad they didn't make the distinction between Kronos and Chronos...

@CrownofMischief Жыл бұрын

They might do another thing where they reference it in in-game dialog, like how Zagreus and Dionysus are sometimes the same being but in the game it's an elaborate prank on humanity by the two gods

@lolcerditorock Жыл бұрын

@@CrownofMischief I hope so. It'd be funny amd cool if there were like 2 aspects and the time one helps us while the titan works against us

@CrownofMischief Жыл бұрын

@@lolcerditorock I can see that being like the relationship Zagreus had with Chaos

@arcticdino1650 Жыл бұрын

@@CrownofMischief I hope so too

@jackalope07 Жыл бұрын

They kinda synchrotized Pluto and Plouton in the first game

@t-posingbird5480 Жыл бұрын

claim your 36 seconds ago award here

@krimsonkatt Жыл бұрын

Well, this was quick. Less than 24 hours? Dang...

@christianwagschal1962 Жыл бұрын

this video is the reason i bought hades and i love it so so much

@macadamiacheesewhiz8748 Жыл бұрын

Please do a video on ullr

@russergee49 Жыл бұрын

And now we wait for the flood of misinformation that comes from those really poorly done myth channels, and all the ‘but actually!’ people trying to correct each other with material that doesn’t even exist… Not a criticism of the games, absolutely not, they look fun and inventive. Jake, your videos are real gems of knowledge, I hope people really pay attention to them.

@AlyInk Жыл бұрын

Waiting for people to start asking you about Mesperyian.

@purple4596 Жыл бұрын

Can you make a video about Zagreus ?

@LordVanOskuro Жыл бұрын

Wonder if Macaria will appear.

@jerri6181 Жыл бұрын

Right before this there was a Milano ad

@themousoleum Жыл бұрын

ok but I’m excited for Hades III where we finally get the most obscure cthonic goddess of all time as a protagonist: Mesperyian the Definitely Real Goddess of torture or smthn

@--Paws-- Жыл бұрын

Glad I wasn't the only one thinking the witch lady was Hecate

@FireShowXS1 Жыл бұрын

Anytime one hears about greek mythology: Zeus, please for the love of all that is holy, keep it in your pants my dude.

@pandazatthedisco Жыл бұрын

If you ever play the game, please stream it.

@mr.coffeeguy2853 Жыл бұрын

That was quick.

@spentheplug Жыл бұрын

I can’t wait for hades 2

@magalomaster0024 Жыл бұрын

Now you have to do a Zagreus video

@Makafushigi Жыл бұрын

I never thought they would make another and I accepted that, but now… 😫

@Entropic_Alloy Жыл бұрын

Hecate has a voice credit in the description of the trailer.

@velvetisis Жыл бұрын

But will you do a video about Zagrias?

@jimpastor4085 Жыл бұрын

Do Heracles part 3

@XDZeven Ай бұрын

Back after playing Hades I. Dude got 100%/100%

@Ever_green2021 Жыл бұрын

Soooo cool.

@sineadcarty7256 Жыл бұрын

Jake doubleyoo mythology vid speedrun any %

@jkitty542 Жыл бұрын

Are there any other cool mythology based games you'd like to discuss at some point/reccomend?

@CharismaCaster Жыл бұрын

You pronouncing Hecate correctly is music to my Greek ears

@rosewater226 Жыл бұрын

I love how you drew her like a sullen teen who's like, that looks nothing like me 😒 😆😆

@ihatemylife3 Жыл бұрын

I would like to see a video adout Morpheus (the god of dreams)

@Hourglasser 11 ай бұрын

He's technically from roman mythology

@leeshajoi Жыл бұрын

Okay, but that sickle she uses as her default weapon has gotta be the same sickle Cronus used on Ouranos that one time, right?

@98bnu Жыл бұрын

Potential Video idea: you can find as many of these niche 1-2 remaining fragment characters as ya can and make a fast facts format vid rattleing them all off, then whenever Hades 3 gets announced in like 5 years you can be like: HA I BEAT YOU SUPER GIANT!!!!! I 'predicted' this would be your next character, and link to a version of the vid that you clearly just cut to only have the character thats the protag. You can win the long con

@bornasotoudeh4044 Жыл бұрын

I literally only know Melinoe from the Percy Jackson thing, any precedent for that version, the goddess of ghosts?

@DiscountSatan69420 Жыл бұрын

im really happy/excieted but also really sad because she looks really cool and fun but i miss zagreus

@byrontheusurper6505 Жыл бұрын

Apollo, Nemesis, kronos, this is gonna be a starstudded cast! Also I assume her witch mentor might be hecate maybe? Edit: hell yeah we're on one page! And if hecate is involved you KNOW this shit's gonna get strange and good!

@TheOverArchiver Жыл бұрын

The credits for the trailer confirms that the witchy lady is definitely Hecate.

@Stack-O-Pancakes Жыл бұрын

has jake done zagreus already?

@skelm_baguette Жыл бұрын

Wheres the video on hades one now?

@NICK29255 Жыл бұрын

Now we just need Macaria

@grimshock6983 Жыл бұрын

So I’m guessing Zagreus can’t save his father since it is outside of the underworld and it’s up to her

@Hot_Brew Жыл бұрын

im so jealous of you man... GREAT WORK

@deinsilverdrac8695 Жыл бұрын

Now we need Makaria

@alantremonti1381 Жыл бұрын

My man was all over this one lol.

@Willienelson222 Жыл бұрын

More norse stuff please

@InfiniteGreninja Жыл бұрын

You forgot to mention that she uses a sickle, (one of) the only weapon(s) that’s shaped like a moon.

@Niteshiftmonkey Жыл бұрын

Here take your like & comment for the algorithm, thank you for the video and info…. Here take a sub while you’re at it.

@lolamunchkin9504 Жыл бұрын

Hold on a minute i've read that melinoe's split down the middle being half white and half black (Orphic Hymn 71 to Melinoe (trans. Taylor) (Greek hymns C3rd B.C. to 2nd A.D.) : Hence, partly black thy limbs and partly white, from Plouton dark, from Zeus ethereal bright.) How come neither your design nor supergiant has this? Not trying to be rude just wandering.

@JakeDoubleyoo Жыл бұрын

Hmmm, Athanassakis and Wolkow (whose translation, for what it's worth, is much more recent so probably based on better scholarship) translate those lines to: "A two-bodied specter sprang forth from Persephone's fury." They don't give any explanation for that line in their notes, so I don't know how to interpret it. Their wording is certainly a lot more vague than Taylor's. The only clear description of Melinoë's appearance is in being "saffron cloaked", possibly associating her with the moon (think a full moon tinted yellow). For the sake of my design, I took just that part literally and gave her a yellow cloak. Supergiant also incorperated a similar color into her clothing, but every other distinctive trait in their design seems to be original.

@lolamunchkin9504 Жыл бұрын

Ah so it's just a difference in translation where one was just more vague but most likely more accurate. Alright thank you