i think zzz is an above average game , as you said it's too easy , and i think that all they need to do is fix tvs and make the game a little harder all tho these are only two things , but they kinda make or break the game . i think the video was very fair , but i need to clarify the pgr part : as a pgr player , i can confirm that the first few hours are easy because of the story , but the game becomes harder afterwards and needs actual strategy i get the comparison and i agree if you didn't hate on pgr because of the start and gave it a shot , try to give zzz it's shot too . i also agree that players who don't enjoy the game should quit and wait for content creators to cover the whole thing and if it has potential in mid to late game then they can comeback! love your content stioorg , also thank you for reading whoever read that comment :)

How to anger an entire community in 1 sentence. "Pgr is a button mashing game." These guys are usually chill but holy frick😂😂😂

4:20 PGR player here. Just to preface, ZZZ is ok. Favorite thing is the art direction. What I find mediocre is the combat. The TV is overstaying its welcome sometimes but it's fine once ina while. The answer: It's a yes and an absolute no answer. The entire fights in PGR's story save for the bosses are easy but the story is really there for both the casuals and the hard-cores. So the first 15 hours, assuming you haven't unlocked challenging end-game modes, are easy. But here comes the absolute no. Among all the hack-and-slash arena-based fighting gacha games I've ever played (HI3, AG, PGR, and ZZZ) PGR is the certain one to not fall under the button-mashing category. Why? Because the foundation of the system prevents and discourages mindless button mashing due to the orb system, the core passives, and team-wide synergies and mechanics like QTEs. Due to the orb system, you technically, literally won't play the same character on the exact same way cause the orb colors (red, blue, yellow) are all RNG-based and random. Add the fact that you need to match 3 orbs for optimal damage, which means you can't just click orbs as you see them cause the game incentivize you to match them for greater damage. Aside from that, there are actual combos required to activate a character-specific mechanic. For insance, for Bianca Veritas, you need to match (ping) 3 blue orbs and then followed by red one (Forgot the color combo ngl 😂). So you can't literally just mash buttons. You have to observe and react quickly. And add the fact that you need to watch the enemies attacking you to either dodge or parry. Ypu also need to rotate to you support and tank. You also need to activate QTEs to activate buffs and debuffs at the right moment. All those are for basic constructs only. If we're gonna add gen-2 and gen-3 frames. There's an added layer of complexity. Why? Some frames have a normal mode, and then core passive activated mode. For instance, my girl Bianca Stigmata has a normal mode. To enter her core passive mode, you need to long press dodge button to enter a matrix. Once there, you either attack for a few times to activate a mark, then hold attack to activate a flying sword slash attack OR you dodge an enemy attack then hold basic attack to activate flying sowrd attack. Then, you click ult, then the QTE of your support and tank. Then switch to a tank, then do another different combo mechanic specifically made for that character. In short. You can't button mash especially for most units. There are simpler units, but so far, they all have unique combos and kits. The only true button masher I know is Kamui Tenebriom. Add that complexity to a malding content with enemies on steroids like Tower of Babel or even the weekly Norman War at high levels and with enemy buffs and debuffs and you'll understand. Keep in mind though, PGR could still be casual and for hard-cores. Great thing about Kuro is that they love scalability since they understand that not all want an overly challenging content. I myself love PGR because of the story and combat. Forgive the overly specific example and this long comment, cause I think non-pgr players wouldn't understand what I mean if I say PGR isn't a button masher. That's it for my thesis. * I forgot that there are CUBS as well (inspiration of WuWa's Echoes).

First time hearing someone says "I enjoy TVs in ZZZ"

The devs really pushed the combat with the fighting game round table and people ended up having high expectations from the combat

I haven't played ZZZ yet, but from the amount of information I've seen on social media since the game's launch, it feels similar to when Genshin Impact came out at the start of COVID. This time, however, everything is reversed because of Wuwa. People can't stop comparing them since both are hack-and-slash games. Another reason for this comparison is that players finally feel like the developers are listening to them in Wuwa. After seeing the new game from Mihoyo and how the developers are finally addressing players' requests for Genshin Impact after 4 years, it seems like everyone is channeling their frustrations with Mihoyo into their newest game.

tv mini game i story mode is the biggest reason many players are hating and quiting the game. The difficulty of battles will get harder and it's easy to fix but Tv minigames is just there to gatekeep the combat. Irony is the game is advertised as combat focused game and you are forced to play minigame for 5 min to battle for 2 min afterwards. like seriously?

"180 Free Pulls" is a huge scam. 😝 Its more like gameplay rewards.

3 year PGR player here. One of the more challenging gachas out there. I'm burned out on their 3ping system but it does add a level of challenge though I haven't found anywhere else. I also play Aether Gazer which may be the middle ground between ZZZ and PGR. If you want more aggressive arena style combat, Punishing Gray Raven is where its at.

Honestly, most of the players complaining are from Genshin and Star rail expecting another open-world eXplOrATiOn. Yet, most of the players from Honkai Impact are enjoying the game -- and you can see this reaction from KZfaqrs who are fans of Honkai Impact vs a KZfaqr who started and only have played genshin or star rail. Yes, Genshin and Star rail are amazing games, but in their own turf. I didn't play ZZZ expecting that style of gameplay and the first time I researched about the game, it clicked with me that they are going the route similar to HI3, PGR, etc just with their own pinch of "flavors" with the TV and small zones to walk around in. Just because the gameplay doesn't fit to your personal preference, doesn't mean it sucks, but then again this is what happens when you try to introduce something different to the mainstream and as well to people who are initially ignorant of the fact. :) It's the very reason why Honkai Impact's popularity still isn't at the level of star rail and genshin for 7 years its simply because HI3 gameplay doesn't attract the open-world/exploration community because it's non-existent, just how it is with ZZZ. its kinda cringe trying to compare completely different style of games to one another when the intention of ZZZ isn't to be what it's compared to in the first place, but this is the internet, so there's no changing how people ignorantly view and compare things, I can only say what is. Pathetic.

4:18 you cannot be serious here. In pgr you don't just mash the same button,you have color matching to do with orbs as well,you have to dodge to get the matrix, trigger the qtes when able and so on. All this from patch 1.0 on release. Basically, you had to be more involved is what im trying to say and not necessarily that its easier

Me personally, I just hate the TVs. I thought the combat was the focus, as advertised by them, but I guess I was wrong. After 3 hours, I'm really trying to feel it. Hope I'm not harsh tho.

I want to use the character outside the battlefield sometimes

PGR has so many combos using the orbs what do you mean 😭 😭 😭

To be honest, I don't think the game is over-hated as you claimed. People just states the facts of what they have experienced playing and it's pretty obvious. CN ratings dropped & Google Play store dropped from 4.4 to 3.0 today after experiencing the game. And people pulling the narrative that you have to play for 40 hours and more to reach end part to experience the best the game has to give. That's not going to work out. As people always said before, first impression is very important and a lot of people are not impressed.

What bothers me is that you literally can button-mash E, Space and Left-Click and win every single battle blindfolded. It's not even an exaggeration. The combat looks amazing visually but its not challenging in the slightest. You go through all the tedious TV stuff and when you get to fight its not even rewarding. And running through the same corridors over and over and over again is really repetitive.

4:58 i disgree with ur point wholeheartedly here, you dont have to complete alot of the game to have a valid point on if the game is good or not. If people arent hooked in the first hr, that's a problem first impressions matter. If i watch a movie and the first 20 minutes sucks who cares if the rest of the movie is great I wouldnt care enough to get past that first 20 min

PGR still Goat in combat gacha game

ZZZ is bad only because we have played WuWa before, comparing how good it is... It has almost same issues as genshin was... So, ZZZ is getting more hate than it deserved :(

Honestly, idm the TVs, but I don’t think it’s overhated, i just think a lot of people didn’t like the game and that’s fine (myself included)

As a casual gamer, all these reasons as to why people don't like this game are exactly why I will like it.

I actually enjoy the game it actually feels more casual than other games i play.

short answer: It's just PGR combat but with less depth and encouraged button mashing, and offering way less at release other than quirky artstyle and cutscenes. Just play PGR instead lol

Me personally I’ve loved every second I’ve had with the game. I can understand why other people don’t like some elements of it though, and when it comes to tv’s, me personally I enjoy them. It ties in with the narrative, on top of that at least imo it feels satisfying going after the coins and upgrades even in story missions, I’m pretty burned out on open world games so the rogue like elements are a breath of fresh air to me. I enjoy the story, it gives off that fun sort of blue archive vibe and the combat imo is the funnest out of all the most recent gacha’s at least in my opinion. Honestly though to address the tvs they could definitely just make them play like the rally commissions do, they are very similar to hi3. I feel like that would appeal to more people and honestly it’d be easy for them to transfer from the tv’s to this narrative wise at least. Rally commissions seem to just be combat ones without tvs so just reskinning them as combat commissions could work

Pgr has more gameplay depth and more challenges than ZZZ

I assure you, PGR has a way more complex gameplay than what you said. Unfortunately , it's knowledgable that the game has a pretty slow start IN STORY and the first characters were more "simple" at the beginning, but even so, it's way beyond button mashing. And the game and its characters gets better and better as time passes, you can feel the evolution. And that's the problem with ZZZ because : - PGR exists for years, got an already pretty good gameplay at launch with an incredible evolution as time passed. - Wuwa released recently and has an incredible combat already at launch and IT WILL get better for sure (same company as PGR). - HI3 which is the baby of Hoyo with years behind it, has now a way better combat than ZZZ. You see? ZZZ is the newly released thing, and yet, it's a downgrade in gameplay compared to the other choices of the same genre like HI3 or PGR (which are here since years). ZZZ maybe has a cool design and animations but if the gameplay doesn't follow, it'll become a beautiful yet hollow game.

Yeah the game is definitely overhated. I think people are hating on it both for fun and because they don't like the game. But I also think there are many who are hating on it because they see so many others hating on it so they're jumping on the bandwagon because hating on ZZZ is the cool thing to do right now. The game isn't perfect by any means and there's a lot of room for improvement but people are absolutely overexaggerating with their hate for it.

PGR has 20 buttons to press not just "smashing the same button", don't know how to use the orb system?

I just read this from some random comment but let me drop it here(not the exact words but you get the point): A truly fun game would already be fun even at the early stages of the game, if you are actively seeking fun for hours but can't find it and you decide to give the game dozens to hundreds of hours just to find the real fun in it, the game probably just really ain't fun to play then. I know that applies to any game tbh, but in ZZZ? Oh boy if you don't find it fun playing in the first 4-5 hrs despite the great design,awesome music and flashy combat and still decided to give it days or until the endgame just to see the fun in it? I guess it only means one of two things either ZZZ is just not the game for you or the game itself just isn't really fun.

im pretty sure wuwa got so much hate for absolutely no reason as well, hoyoverse is a company that has created so many games and have continued them for years that's why their launch performance was much better in terms of lag yet wuwa is kuro's first all platform and such large project game. even then I didn't face any issue at the first day while having a decent device and right after that they gave continuous updates yet it's being hated for lag.

"It's a good game, but it's just not for me". Edit: That's what i learn after playing honkai star rail, and that's what ZZZ too for me.

pgr boss is actively attacking you and in harder mode like norman and babel they can oneshot you with full buff and some bosses have gimmick if u fail to parry them they will punish u with special move and the best part is pgr will have stylish mode

I honestly don't think that the game deserves all that hate, I mean yes it has a lot of problems but I don't think it's THAT bad it's kinda enjoyable actually. I've never seen this much hate on a gacha game since tower of fantasy

One of the things I haven’t seen talked about is how WuWa had the Red monsters in the open world giving you a sneak peek into the difficulty of the game. ZZZ has cool combat for the sake of it and there’s nothing in the game that even gives me an option to challenge myself early. The Challenge Mode is regular difficulty with slightly beefier enemies. Why perform cool things to win 20 secs when I can simply button mash and win in 30 secs?

As someone who played Crystar Im not complaining about the gameplay being easy and basic.

I don't get why people hate the TVs, it has a pretty decent mechanic. It feels like those impatient story skippers problem.

ehh comparing to pgr is bad take.. pgr gives u ez af combat only in story.. and it immediately introduce u to gacha and endgame.. meanwhile u can still play story.. and boy oh boy they make it clear that u have dodge, use right orbs and combos in like first few hrs.. enimes actually smash ur ass hard.. yet that game caters to both casuals and try hards.. when it comes to endgame.. it doesn't provide u with more pull currency and just character upgrades for being try hard.. u have to learn character.. even the basic A rank characters have combos u have to perform to do combos and stuff.. meanwhile in zzz im just spamming single button.. i've played every single character tutorial and none of the standard characters except mayb 2 have combos..

I enjoy ZZZ tho, it's easy and not time consuming. The older I get, the less time I get, so I can sit down and enjoy mindlessly lol. Also I catch persona 5 vibe haha

You know, you can compare it to PGR but saying that it is on PAR with PGR is a very sad statement. Understand this - Hoyoverse released Genshin, an Open World Game and compare Wuthering Waves with it, it is a plausible expectation that Wuthering Waves should deliver a better experience if they want a share of the Market to come and play their game. It is understandable that Games don't age like fine wine coz remember - there will always be a game that will surpass or be comparable to you, the only question is when. In the perspective of PGR and ZZZ, it is the reverse of Genshin - WuWa Scenario. PGR being released by a small company at the time had no large budget, no large number of staff, nor a large number of following when it was released on Dec 2019. It was hailed as HI3 copy with a twist. HI3 is also another victim of such case, since Mihoyo now Hoyo at the time was a small company. What ZZZ made was a better version of both in terms of animation and design, but got skewed towards the lower end of spectrum when compared to the other two in terms of PURE GAMEPLAY, which is the deciding factor of an ACTION ROLE PLAYING GAME's success. It wasn't supposed to be like that - It is expected to be better. Like the company make millions of dollars per month and even funded their own nuclear reactor and what do they serve the players which are their main source of income? Some kind of sleeping pills of a game that you are forced to swallow coz Hoyoverse? If their target audience are the younger generation, I hope that younger generation can 'PROVIDE' the profits they are expected to make. In the end, most of the spenders are the working class. That's my take on the game. Yes, it has great animation and character designs, yet they fell short on the game mechanics department. Maybe it was just me getting spoiled after playing WuWa's Parrying Mechanics, but I don't feel satisfied with parrying HP Sponge enemies even at Challenge Mode.

Every game at launch is kinda over hated in a way lol

I am one of the few ppl who has no problem with the tvs lol. A critical aspect of the game is that it's meant for mobile and does away with open-world adventure. If you look at the tv's from the angle of playing hackers and their ability to navigate hollows via the tv screens it actually makes sense. I feel like Tank from the matrix, directing neo and morpheus to a telephone.

If i can kill everything by smashing my keys, then why would i read any skill descriptions or spend any effort on learning which character does what. I am above account lv.20 and i still have no idea , in detail, what the 3 of my most units even do. Thats what kills the gameplay for me. I want to have something to be invested into such as teambuilding, learning efficient ways to play and so on but there is just no need as of now.

REASONS: 1. Lack of difficulty 2. TV 3. I'm sleepy... let's kill holograms on Wuwa

The biggest mistake the game committed was that it came down after wuwa It is clear that they did this in order to kill wuwa but I think that things turned around for them

*PGR is the same button mashing* - Nope, orb system doesn't work like that, you want to use skills? better manage your orbs in a way so you can trigger skills, you can button smash but oh well, that's gonna be sad - PGR humbles you right at the start, then it starts to teach you stuff, and iirc even after that the mobs just gangs on you and they're ruthless - PGR doesn't take control over your gameplay, it gives you the tools and you gotta use them, like any other sane game - PGR doesn't make short brakes in combat flow just to amplify the hit feedback, the combat just flows smooth as butter I gave this game a fair try for few hours and is like 2 steps bellow PGR combat, sure, the visuals and the cutscenes are better for ZZZ but regarding combat and character models i like clean designs so i'm gonna be biased, i still think how someone at hoyo decided to slap a half shark on a maid and call it a day, oh well that's subjective af Combat in itself is annoying, you can literary only play by smashing E and left click, the game will do the switches for you and i find that intrusive and annoying af, let me decide if i want to switch or not, a lot of people will like this assisted combat but again, a lot of people won't Combat doesn't flow smooth, as i mentioned above, they want to amplify the hit feedback so, every hit or critical hit? there is a short pause in combat flow which i find really annoying Artstyle is cool, but that's subjective, i can agree that is cool but i still don't like it Music is cool, but again that's subjective, i like PGR music more, but ZZZ music at it is now is above WuWa for sure For me and maybe for many others, there is no reason to go and invest my time in ZZZ because for me it is a downgrade from PGR core gameplay and, in my opinion, gameplay is the king From what i've seen so far, hoyo should really stick to casual games because that's their strength, they are really not capable of developing a game with fun combat, they do not know that more hp is not harder and harder doesn't necessarily mean more fun, hoyo fails constantly at implementing combat and boss mechanics. Remember, this game was advertised as peak combat, E and left click while game does the rest for you is not that Also i'm nr 1 Kuro shill because that's my father's company ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

The problem is, Hoyoverse dont give a shit about our opinion.

That is not even puzzle, it's basically, "come here, yeah, good boy, good boy". And I hate it.

Fun fact : Wuwa with all optimisation issues never crashed IN MY mid android phone or had any issues Zzz actually crashed MY WHOLE phone when i fast clicked and opened gacha menu and kept closing when i swich app pages and my phone now can't download it and form some times couldn't even identify it as a game by the Samsung game launcher app Damn i wonder who's more optimised at launch

Not overhated. If people have a negative experience with it its fair to hold a negative opinion towards it. Its that simple.

what i dont like about the game is the fact that everything is done with just the click of a button.... its literally a left click simulator that even switching is automatic and pre selected.

The gameplay looked fun but I hate the modern urban city aesthetic, so it was doomed from the start for me

People complain about it TVs when there are tasks like “take a photo of a cat” and “kick a ball”.

I'll start by being honest, i don't like current miHoYo, i'm a pre-Genshin HI 3rd player and to me the shift in their design approach after GI's success was for the worst, committed now to profit instead of vision. I used to love and praise these guys. I can still tell you with my heart out, HI 3rd part 1 is the greatest story mobile games will probably ever see. Dislike expressed, i will give it to them that each of their 3 previous releases was a breakthrough in the mobile landscape, when they were released no one had what HI 3rd did, what GI did and SR as well. Now comes ZZZ and... it does nothing new. For the first time in 8 years a miHoYo release is not breaking any new ground. Whether i'd be in PGR, Aether Gazer, WuWa and incredibly HI 3rd itself, you will find a better version of the things ZZZ is trying to do. Yes, the animations are great, but it's a game, not an anime, sadly it needs to do more than that. Idk if they rushed it to try and counter the WuWa effect or they truly met the limits of their creativity now, and while i agree some people are gratitously hating, i'd say most of it is fair criticism.

I think the reason why people are let down because everyone wants and expects a new gatcha game that’s gonna be the “genshin killer” so they get high hopes over a new gatcha game but on the release they’re let down. Because they don’t offer any new and unique experience that’s different from other games. That’s the state with every new and upcoming open world RPG, Like it or not in the end they’re all the same and that’s the sad reality.

As a PGR player, you're not wrong but the thing is, it gets difficult the long run. You still need strategy tho because each characters have their own QTE sequence. P.S. I seriously need to go back to that game

- WuWa was hated because some players can't play this good game (Optimization Issue.) - ZZZ is hated because even though they can play the game, the combat just sucks (and also TV system, gacha rates, & mid launch rewards)

I actually love the game! I give it an 8/10 and I’m actually enjoying it more than Genshin!

"I dont usually play gatcha games on mobile" Proceeds to play 6/10 game on phone ?????

The game is actually under hated because it's a mihomo game.

With so much investment in the animation, this could’ve been better as an animation.

One of my main gripes with ZZZ is that the game was being heavily promoted by the devs as an action rpg. But that's not the case at all, it's almost 50% chill, fluff and story, 25% TV systems and 25% combat (if being generous). The other reason is mostly behind shallow combat depht. Even before this whole WuWa debate being common ground, gachas like PGR or Aether Gazer have way more diverse and interesting mechanics. You can be super casual on those games, but get rewarded when engaging with its systems. On ZZZ? Button mash, huge parry window and you are set for the whole game. "Challenge mode" is just bloated HP numbers on the enemies, meaning there is no middle ground: You either play by the rails on Story Mode, or waste 1 more minute on Challenge Mode. That's it. I'm not saying the game needs 1hko enemies, but when you just buttonmash everything without any hassle, Zenless really turns into ZZZ. Character animations are great and very unique, the storyflow is cool (on Hoyo standards) and the vibe is alright (albeit, imo, trying too hard to be hip). The combat "looks" cool, but for sure doesn't play like it.

TV mode is just their excuse to not make overworld. It is just so immersion breaking and puts me off

As someone who used to play PGR, I can tell you that it didn't take me 8 hours to find Norman. And Norman without Gen 2 characters is hard. And, to be fair, when the game released, the story wasn't easy. It's easy now that we have powercreep, but on launch, I'm pretty sure it wasn't. I did struggle a bit before I got my gen 2 attacker

Yes you are talking about day one on the casual/regular mode, the bosses start doing 65-75% of your HP bar on challenge mode in one hit later my friend lol, even the mob enemies will chip off like 35 or 45% in one hit in challenge mode

pgr is button mashing? i see you forgot about alpha kicking your ass at the tutorial

Wuwa spoiled me for giving 2 *5 selector and 1 weapon selector, not to mention from all other the rewards. Also the premium pull is only 80 and guaranted signature weapon. As a low mid spender i can do pulls weapon without worries. As ZZZ doesn't click with my preferences, i can only hope for Project Mugen to be good urban themed gacha.

The game definitely deserves the hate it's receiving because of the marketing and words from the developers. The developers set up an expectation that it's a combat heavy, combat focused game with a lower skill floor and a high skill ceiling. But in reality it's a TV mode yap fest with EXTREMELY easy combat that isn't satisfying since it's one button combat. The game isn't a combat focused game, and players, including myself, have had a massive mismatch in expectations. If the game was marketed for what the game truly is, then I think the reception would have been much better. The game is very polished, has a lot of things going for it, but the combat is going to kill player retention for this game past the initial release period imo.

I found pgr bosses more engaging than zzz bosses.

To me, I think Hoyoverse got the impression from Star Rail that people are more into casual games, like star rail where you can auto most of the story. They tried making ZZZ casual too but turns out the games attract a different kind of audience

As a PGR player FOR ME the combat is more complex but the story is not as good as mihoyo... I mean there are parts that the story is good too but then again you have to get at least chapter 12 for the good story... So why combat is complex? As you said in ZZZ it's just left click and space bar mashing but actually in PGR isnt just mashing because even if you SSS3 your character(C6) fully built the boss will Fking smash you... No cap. And The combat like Alpha CW you have to hold shift to charge attack, hold left click, mash left click, and ULT... And if you hold the shift button in ALPHA CW she can parry block the enemies... And there are many more characters that has many mechanics too... This is just 1 of them... And speaking of enemies Parrying the enemies in PGR is hard as HELL. Because if you remember there is a tell in parrying enemies in WUWA right?? But in PGR there is like no tell or I can't just see it because they are so freaking fast... So yeah that's my take...

Ill never understand the hate for this game, i love it a lot so far

4:20 you play PGR? did you really play it? did you beat Alpha in the beginning?

I haven't had many hours in PGR, but I can confidently say that even the early boss fight in PGR(Alpha) is much harder than anything ZZZ can offer. I am all for giving a chance at ZZZ but glazing at it is not the proper way. ZZZ is mid, at best. It is not that bad, but it's definitely not good. The amount of time that I experience battle in the story mode is less than the amount I have to sit through a cutscene. It can make a comeback, and it will because ✨Hoyoverse✨, however, I doubt major changes will happen in the game as Hoyo is really known to not listen to feedbacks. They may listen but implement it to other games or will take years before it can be applied. So I think ZZZ will retain the TV system, the enemies MAY become more reactive, but since this is intended more to casuals, the difficulty will definitely amp up but not to the point that it can be challenging. Harder = More HP, that's the Hoyoverse way. Main gripe in the game: -false advertisement -TV system -braindead combat -boring overworld -lackluster story -bloated dialogues and too much yapping -gacha system worse than Genshin -busy UI Of course there are great things in the game: -Characters -NPCs -Voice acting -animated cutscenes -Grace's feet(uhm) I will still keep playing the game because I really like the aesthetic... But there really isn't anything that really makes me hook in the game like I was with Genshin.

yeh can confirm that pgr is very simple in beginning and not that hard but it didnt take long to start getting complicated with a difficult spike being fairly early do keep in mind that kuro games back then was an indie company without experience in designing combat and pgr is like thier first major work too since their only other prior work was some sort of chibi style simulation game similar to plants vs zombies from the looks of it but this isnt the case with mihoyo here since they already had years of experience with multiple games already

I mean . . . I'm having fun.

Ngl my biggest complaint is no juggling or jump button from what ive heard. The combat seems fun, im a fan of the stylization. But not being able to traverse that 3d space in a combat game just seems like a HUGE swing and miss to me. Im thinking about giving it a try anyways, see how i really feel about it. But not being able to platform in a game that seems like itd be a perfect city skape/building crawler just seems wack to me. I genuinely liked gliding and climbing around certain areas in genshin, losing some of that open world aspect kinda sucks for me. I know its not SUPPOSED to be open world but not even some platforms for some vertical action? Like if im wrong about this please by all means let me know but to me it just seems like a total misstep

As a pgr player, i have 2 words that i can sing praise for it , ping system.

Sharing 1 ultimate was a huge mistake

ZZZ isn’t god awful, it fully genuinely is a 6/10. Problem is that it expects me to log in every day and play the game for the rest of its life. It just isn’t worth the time investment, let alone when you have WuWa or plenty of other Gacha games including Hoyo games demanding that attention. If it was a complete, premium game I could knock out I think it’s be alright but not as a daily grind game.

I played this game for about 20 hours. So, you're telling me that Hoyo added Genshin's hated gacha system into this game, expecting people to pay real money for characters, that you barely get to use through the game because 20% of the game is combat and the other 80% are running around the city with the MC or doing TV puzzles. I had multiple hour sessions where I couldn't even get to the combat because the game kept forcing me to run around town. I didn't expect this game to be as huge as Genshin, but I was excited for it to provide some kind of fun. Sadly, that's not the case for me. It doesn't feel like a chill game when the story can't suck you in and skipping text and tutorials/puzzles feels like a chore. The animations are amazing, but that's all it has going for itself. Without any bias, as a 3+ year Genshin player and 1+ year HSR player, I have been way more drawn towards WuWa. Hoyo are now copying WuWa's fast boss respawn timers and speeding up daily quest completion because they realized they couldn't sabotage their game, nor do they want to give Genshin major improvements. They're greedy and every new game they make will struggle in an era where Gacha games are becoming more and more popular. Hoyo need to realize that they are getting competition and that they are not the only Gacha giants in this world anymore. And yes I know WuWa copied Genshin, but they also improved it, and that was the point. Genshin is now copying WuWa but making things worse. If Genshin wants to be a better game, it should get used to the expectations people have from it. I'd rather play a good copy over a greedy original, and most upcoming open world gachas will most likely be Genshin copies, as long as they are fun to play, I am happy with that.

Here's my gripe with zzz in general; Quick swap basically auto-parry, limited amount at that. Forced Switch The Qte are Forced switch. If you dont want to switch, you must wait for the slow-mo meter/ effect to be done. - Stage timer doesnt stop during this slow-mo Qte swap. The point of zzz combat is build up points Decibels (the number at the left screen). Once reach 3000 points, you can use ult, Only 1 character can use ult. The point then reset to 0. - You get point by doing all the basics (hitting enemy, dodging etc) loses points when you're hit or combo breaks, or inactive for certain time (not a problem, just how the point is designed) So the rotation is; get 3000 points asap and use ult, repeat until stage clears The enemies are too passive, do one action and stand. Lacking that looping feedback of dodge, counter, parry to be use often and end up just button mashing on damage sponge enemies. There's just not much opportunity to use the Dodge counter or chain attack Heck I use Grace (dont mind me, she's my fav) literally just press one button, hit all enemy from range. Sometimes have to use specials whenever her stack is full I havent pull any limited gacha yet. The 100 free pull feels like a joke. What it truly meant was, 100 Standard Banner free pull. Not limited (saving for Miyabi anyway) The gacha; pity being 90. With the same 0.6% rates - standard banner being mix of S characters & S weapon... - 300 pulls to guaranteed a select S rank - no beginners banner. Just discounted Standard banner pull at first But hey at least there's pity counter - my luck; I got Neko's S weapon...cant even used by Grace. 100 pulls, 2 S rank; 1 grace 1 neko weapon.... The TV doesnt annoy me. What does is; go to the same black screen TV, visually no changes. And then go to combat with the same repetitive stage environment. How many times is it the city ruin but change into night times instead. Or this time, there's elevator but the same open space again & again. Once done, go back to the same TV greeted by the same black screen. They said they are reducing TV but from my experience, its 80% TV. To play Hollow Zero, get through the TV section (building up your roguelite passive). "Combat" & commission world, TV first and 1 or 3 combat within Minor gripe but the day & night, Schedule system is more annoying. I cant do certain task & actions unless I sleep first or wait for the right time. I must rush the story if I want to make Grace stronger cuz that boss mats is locked behind Soldier 11 story.... That being said... Why cant I use my own characters in the overworld. The only time I see my favs are during combat and main menu or squad menu.... Granted that Im only level 26 right now and only been through the main story, permanently on Challenge mode. But I dabble with the sidecontent too. They should add more arcade games. Havent experiences whats the grind in zzz yet, idk even where to go to grind. All my stamina are used to get skills, promotion, levels mat. I havent farm the stickers set yet The world looks nice, music too. But once you look past the surface (aesthetic), there's little substance (gameplay)

i remember certain wuwa haters (who never really tried playing it, just plain haters bec they play GI) said "knowing how hoyo only releases polish games, players will quit wuwa to play zzz" 😂😂😂 i can't laugh enough when i see zzz rating today, oh yeah, not dead on arrival, just barely breathing 🤣🤣🤣

At Lvl 25 I just started to notice difficulty in missions called Ralla Commissions. You can actually die there in few hits there, was quite surprised.

Ah fuck the TV MODE. it is BORING. plain simple BORING.

>pgr is button mashing >me playing solaeter -_-

I quite literally felt myself sweat when I had to fight the monsters & the game was just like “here you go, just do it 🤪”. Like no tutorial like Honkai Star Rail & just straight to the battle with enemies coming at you.

PGR Players: Why pgr is on this arguement!? *leaves* *game devs gives free meta 6 star*

It looked boring, when I watched in closed beta on YT, but I keeped reserved opinion, until I will play it. Now when I tried it, I can confirm my opinion. I played it just for story, after 3 hours I'm kinda tired - same coridors, same combat "mouse+E+space", same trademill from another games for account progress ... for me, it doesnt make any sense to play the game rather then play my actual/previous games _(may be beside of the story)_ . Its like to play simple version of existing "recolored" game.

I have no idea why people are saying this is a horrible game compared to wuwa when it looks a feel's like a low budget genshin with boring story copy-paste gameplay from other hoyo games and much more the game hasn't been out for a week and people are already saying "wUwA iS bEtTeR" i just hate it

Pgr is way harder and more in depth actually, the gameplay is simple but its really difficult trying to get the pings (which is all rng) while also trying to dodge and enter the matrix

I know the answer it's the combat is dogshit in the combat game. You cannot market it as such and not expect backlash. I don't know who thought your SPECIAL ACTIVATED SKILL should share energy with your burst. "You can spam attacks for 10 seconds and then use an entire skill... OR you can wait 20-30 seconds and do a wowwahweewaw burst." You end up doing nothing forever waiting for this. You ironically have less options than genshin, a game allergic to combat related events and endgame. The AI is pretty dumb and the damage is near non existent. More things that would help combat be interesting. You can still have simple and fun combat without an insane sweaty difficulty too. You just have to have shit to do. People are mad that the combat games combat is bad and it's deserved. The combat is undercooked, raw even and like the roster? Underaged like a incomplete wine. (Among other things haha get it.)

Blud is coping super hard. PGR combat is 200 times more satisfying than 💤. Sure the game system is not that great (5-year-old game by the way) but the combat is so good that you don't really give a shit about it. You are allowed to have your own opinion, But that doesn't change the its total shit.

Oh come on it's not that bad we get free rewards like the developers say And the characters design's look's cool

Honestly I do agree that the game is over hated

What kills ZZZ is being marketed as an action combat-focused game and being at best a visual novel for zoomers with the most unsatisfying gameplay filler possible. That and getting dunked on by WuWa with its flawless combat.

As a pgr ,yes the ping systems seems repetition,but now most new/mid released characters utlise doge/hold/basic combos which opens different skills so its becoming complex. Enemies hit super hard in pgr in many modes and in story compared to zzz enemies Don't sleep 😂.

PGR endgame are the hard content people looking for. Yes most S rank are braindead nowadasy with their massive i frames, but that doesnt stop the boss to be able to one shot them either by being grabbed or buffs. There are bosses with attacks that goes through your i frames such as Trailblazer, Primal Projection, and Iron Maiden (remake). If you want more challenging then just use old characters or A rank char that doesnt have an i frames. The game gives freedom on whoever you want to play with. Plus the boss had different mechanics making the fights intresting and add more creativity such as parry stylishly with multiplt characters. S rank gameplay are the braindead one, A rank are the more mechanic style gameplay

It gets better after playing for about an hour because it kills people's insomnia

I mean i had enough of hoyo games tho genshin and honkai star rail its enough and wuthering waves now took my heart tbh i play it more than 2 hours a day i dont feel i will play zenless zone

ZZZ is truly living up to its acronym