Right, because he’s supposed to act and move like a spider. Haha

And even in Into the Spider-Verse, they're still different from each other.

They are still different from one another. Like some of them rely a lot of web to immobilize foes while some versions rely to agility a bit more.

​@@ytht21 right exactly even live action are different Tobey was all brute strength and Spider sense, Andrew was all speed, agility and wit and Tom is a decent mixture of both seen throughout his trilogy plus the webs also make them unique from other heroes

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Yes! God I LOVES the apartment complex fight. There was so much character in the moves that both Peter and Goblin employed. Especially that WWE like slam through the floors. Just beautiful, all with that massive grin on his face the entire time.

This is largely how he was for the original Spider-Man film. Initially, he was just supposed to be for "spoken bits" and everything was going to be handled by a body double, but he absolutely insisted on being the one in the costume as much as possible, for everything he could, and only ever relenting when it came to the stuntwork.

I didn't know this, wow ! to know what to ask for in your role and get it. the movie is much better for it that hilarious whistle at the end when the blade comes out, those are the things a great actor brings to a character

And that fight scene is among the best in the MCU. Its a lot grittier and better

I'd say it's one of the only things that really work in that movie.

It’s also incredible how he struggles, especially in season 1 when he has to lean against the wall to catch his breathe.

Real talk you could mean the show or the movie. As much as people hated the movie, the fight choreography was head and shoulders above its contemporaries. The bullet points version is the same as for the Matrix... styles were developed for each character, then the actors had to train in that style. The One did something similar too.

Since he's supposed to be this devil that haunts and beats the shit out of criminals they did a crazy good job of balancing that aspect of his character with the sheer exhaustion and physical toll of being just a mortal man under the surface. Like, the moments when he just takes a moment and leans against the wall to catch his breath and then uses that same moment as a feint to catch his opponents off guard is just... *chefs kiss*.

The same as batman though.

You are right! Daredevil style is distinct Daredevil is a boxer (like his father) so he can brawl and punch, but he was also trained in ninjutsu martial arts by Stick, so he is acrobatic and can fight Ninjas like the Hand

I was shocked they didnt say this since its very memorable when she fought Wolverine. When I think of unique X men fights she is the first and we really havent seen anything like it since in a superhero.

She was so much better than Jennifer Lawrence's Mystique

Absolutely agree and it was very noticeable early on.

Yeah girl you didn’t mention Rebecca Romijins Mystique. That fight where she’s wolverine to sneak into the dam and how she took down all those mercenaries???

Her fighting style is kinda slippery and sexy at the same time

I think 5:49 is a far bigger problem 😂

There literally is no world to interact with, they don't use sets anymore.

@@lewismckenzie236 to be fair . It is unique only one in MCU. It does look bad thought

Domino and Shang Chi had good interactions and the fights were enjoyable because of it.

​@@Watch-0w1 the MCU might have the biggest problem with it, but it isn't unique only to them, many directors opt out of practical effects for budgeting reasons, or use less of them to stretch the 200m budget as far as they can. They want to eat their cake and have it too, and the movies end up looking like hogwash as a result of it

Yeah like the vision v vision ship of Theseus is one of the best fights cause it fits the character you wouldn’t see characters like Punisher or Luke Cage doing this but for vision it works

@@kaeaedwin7937 that's only because of his power set not because they actually did anything massively creative Yes guys without flight and laser beams wont fight like guys with them

It's extremely disappointing that Dr Strange seems to forget he has a massive arsenal of abilities depending on who he is fighting... In truth, not a single avenger or villain should ever be able to come close to him ... He should be able to set up multiple defensive /offensive spells in advance that don't require hand movements allowing to escape or capture targets.... But I have only seen him do that 2x in 1 movie... I still don't understand how spiderman used math to beat magic in a dimension that Strange should have 100% control... Also magic Which is a phenomenon that literally changes universal laws based on the type of magic used.... Oh well .. cool scene I guess

@@claudewinters2091 I get what you're saying and agree. It would be cool to see our heroes actually plan for battles. Come up with ideas instead of just slamming their face into threats. The undefined limits of magic also causes trouble. Magic is either universe breaking good or weak depending on what's convenient for the writers. It do still be silly movies tho, like I don't mind spiderman winning with math. It's in character for him and shows that Dr Strange underestimated him. Its also just good fun. I don't mind a lil silliness if it leads to a good character moment

@@thomasmendoza7728 yea... Sometimes it's best to just turn your brain off and enjoy.... I get that.... I absolutely loved the Spidey vs goblin apartment fight thou .. but I was disappointed with the Spidey vs Strange fight ... Oh well.... I was overall entertained.... So yeah....

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I think that props may be the key, hammer, wings, bow, shield, giving them something to work with makes the fights more interesting than just hand to hand or laser beams

@@josefagomezschmeisser8356 You raise a good point. That also explains why Wonder Woman's fights are better than the usual DC fare, especially when she uses her golden lasso. Most DC movies remind me of classic Star Trek, where plots were invariably resolved via fist fights.

The martial arts in ATLA are actually just a little more diverse than they appear, too. As you mentioned, Toph uses a different style from most other earthbenders, but different regions also use different styles (the earthbending of Omashu is a bit different than Ba Sing Se, the Northern and Southern Water Tribes use variants of the same style, and I could be wrong but I think the Fire Nation royal family use their own form in addition to the standard Royal Firebender form). More experienced fighters not only use more advanced techniques, they also use moves from more advanced forms of their chosen style. And like you said, they have recognizable identities even when the individual's identity is obscured. When I heard that bending was originally going to be more like it is in early Korra- faster and whatnot, I was quite surprised because the pacing is usually pretty good in ATLA.

Silhouette being distinguishable is especially notable in the Korra openings where the benders are all previous avatars.

@@LethalLuggage "Using an identical silhouette"

@@lordbalthosadinferni4384 Blending bending styles is definitely a thing that is used by masters and experts of their native style. Uncle iroh at least theoretically uses facets of all bending styles in his own, though he's too old to really be showing off his no doubt long experience with it. A good example of a fire bender using a different style would be Jeong Jeong, whose most notable and distinguishing technique would be the fire pillars. Note how he is pretty much one of the only firebenders, if not THE only one, who actually doesn't produce fire from his body. He summons it from the ground. That's basically unheard of and the show glosses over it entirely. When doing this move, he uses a more sturdy earth nation stance, as if to truly root him to the earth and push up the pillars like an earth bender would push up a boulder (with the exception being the day of the comet, but everybody's fire bending was jacked to 11 so maybe that doesn't really count.) We also see the silhouette of the avatar (presumably roku) in the opening credits of ATLA blast fire from his hands while having a more sturdy stance, in the way of an earth bender. Keep in mind that personality also needs to be taken into account. For aang, having his go-lucky, pacifistic, evasive attitude was a massive problem for learning fire bending and more notably, earth bending. I think it's fair to say that his eventual earth bending style didn't just come from learning to overrule his personality and adopt earth bending philosophy, it also comes from blending his own style with that of toph's. After all, in the big fight between him and Ozai, we see Aang really utilize his earth bending skills to the fullest, and he uses it to throw slices of rock to Ozai with movements that are uncharacteristic of other earth benders, who seem to prefer throwing big boulders one at at a time. In this fight, Aang seems to utilize air movements while bending earth. He also has a penchant for hiding behind a wall of rock, as Aang is fundamentally somewhat of a scared character, which isn't unjustified given Ozai's threatening combat style. The point is, while each bending style has it's base philosophy and concurrent movement style; personality, experience and adaptation to other styles can mark out users that are more unique.

uh no? tiger punch vs zebra punch is still a fkin punch....... OP main problem is no one uses talk no jutsu.... wHy DoNt wE uSe OuR wOrDs gUys

I have a theory that Spiderman's powers are a perfect match for wire work and why it looks so good on camera.. "We need Spiderman to web a guy to wall" easy to do with wire work.

Spider-Man is always on the defense

Spidey knows how to use his surroundings( in his case it's walls) to his advantage,not to mention webs are pretty accurate projectiles to blind his enemies.

You and I had similar X-periences! Yes, that opening scene with Nightcrawler had us pumped up so much it was the main thing we talked about afterwards. I couldn't wait to return watch it again to experience that powerful choreography and cinematography!

Same here. I was at the midnight premiere and the entire audience was silent during the fight and applauded at the end of the fight.

Same.. I watched it in India on tv and the opening scene was so well done.. now it's Wolverine but nightcrawler used to be my fav character back then.. I loved that scene and waited half of the movie for something like that to happen again until I fell asleep.. haha

Yeah it was good but I hated that it was Nightcrawler's only fight scene.

I rewatched that movie today and it's still one of the best superhero fight scenes ever. It still stands up today.

Jackie chan has an instantly recognizable fight style. I couldn't help but feel Simu Liu was missing such an iconic feel to his fight style especially since the character of Shang Chi was in no small part inspired by Bruce Lee, who is also instantly recognizable. I wish marvel had focused on the importance of hiring a proper martial artist rather than a somewhat generic character actor.... There are so few left who do both nowadays.

@@Ben-rz9cf yea , and this is not a nitpick or anything on Simu since he was great in movie but all u can see is a Jackie Chan/Bruce Lee imitator in him in the movie & the thing he lacks is the flair for theatric which is where Jackie Chan started from and Bruce Lee excelled in , when Simu does the same it's feels snarky or immature. Martial arts in CN was a discipline and a way of life or a performance in a theatre though it was glorified in the movies but that's what it was in reality, when westerners adopted the glorified version they became niche commodity with none of its backstory and history that is what Simu Lee embodies when u look at him as a martial artist. But after Shang-Chi he said something along lines that meant there was finally a Asian Action Star representation in superhero movies so guessed marvel was occupied that they hired a martial artist and bloated his ego to say that which prob ticked a lot of ppl off who had grown up watching JC and Bruce Lee movies making em write him off as generic martial artist actor & when Jackie Chan was the star of 2 movies made under Hollywood where he was superhero of sorts.

Jackie is pretty much superhuman in all of his movies, he has too many amazing fight scenes to pick from but ... there is some gold in Rumble in the Bronx, and The Legend of the Drunken Master.

Jackie Chan is arguably the greatest fight choreographer in the history of cinema, adding so much style to his movement and using the environment around him to facilitate his flow. Not to mention he does all his own stuntwork, sustaining countless injuries as a result. Yet he keeps on going. He's a fun and goofy person, but don't let his smiles fool you. Jackie Chan is a badass. He has more grit and guts than any actor playing any superhero ever.

I was also thinking about jacky chan and was wondering why no one employs him for super hero movies

What fighting style?

​@@heisenberg8083 Blue meth style 👈

Dont forget how she also employs her psychology knowledge as a supplement (and sometimes full on replacement) tp her combat skills

I’m still trying to figure out how she got superpowers in The Suicide Squad to be able to jump higher than she is tall, repeatedly.

@@bunnywithakeyboard7628 That's a thing she can do in the comics as well. I think it's explained there that its a side affect of a universal antidote given to her by poison ivy.

She was a psychologist at Arkham Asylum, psychologists don't do acrobatics. She learnt it after becoming Harley Quinn.

​@@joeligma4721 so a psychologist can't have acrobatics as a hobby?

@@bRUhlomeS I mean it'd be pretty strange to see your psychologist doing flips

@@joeligma4721 people can have whatever hobbies they want, and they won't be weird for it

@@joeligma4721 In at least one version of her backstory - she was enrolled in gymnastics when she was young and was good enough to earn a scholarship to university. Then she either went to medical school and became a psychiatrist, or she got her PhD in psychology - though she could have both, or it could just be a continuity error and writers not understanding the difference between psychologist and psychiatrist. Comic book origins are multiple choice anyway, so probably doesn't matter much🤷🏻‍♀

I think a big part of it is in a 1.5-3 hour movie you have limited time frame to show a characters personality, especially when you’re hitting Justice League/Endgame where there’s whole teams of different characters some only having a few minutes of real screen time and a lot of it fighting. Having your characters show things about who they are as people when they’re fighting is a way to give us that will still getting to see interesting fights. It can be more than wow he can shot lasers.

​@@JamienautMark2I would echo and adjust your comment by saying in a film with a large cast the limiter is devoted resources to cast personalized choreography. It's why we see characters like those in the Black Order seem intimidating in Avengers Infinity War, then turn to card board cutouts in Endgame with no characterization.

Exactly

@@JamienautMark2 3 hr is more than enough for a competent writer. Especially when, in this case, it’s way more than just 3hrs bcuz it’s huge interconnected universe with hours upon hours constantly being released

The best action movies aren't about how cool and hard the main character hits, it's about how hard they *get* hit. While there's fun cheese that doesn't follow this rule, all the best action movies see the main character eat major punishment, from the Mad Max series to John Wick. I'd argue that Captain America's cool moves are definitely memorable but the reason he's a fan favorite is he will get beaten to a bloody pulp and still "can do this all day."

​@@BlazingOwnager Well said. That line/ attribute also weighed in when Steve Rodgers grabbed Thanos' hand to prevent him snapping, and when he prepared to solo Thanos' army with half a shield.

@@BlazingOwnager funnily enough, that is basically a Rocky quote

That was because of lack of budget

@@madnessarcade7447 Retarded take. The decision to allow the protagonist to dodge every single hit, and show no signs of exhaustion/effort into the fight has nothing to do with the benefits of a high budget. It's just a dumb creative choice.

was going to say the same thing. In a fight Fisk is just an unstoppable force of nature, he is just sheer will and determination, and he will never give up... just like his personality, he never gives up until he gets what he wants.

And then frank castle is presice, brutal, and wastes zero time

Same with me. It still looks amazing.

And XMen went from huge to forgotten.

Same here! It's fantastic.

Right there with you, except Quicksilver from Days of Future Past was incredible. It’s a tough call between those two sequences for me. Winter Soldier has the next best action sequences of a superhero film for me.

the most badass scene ever

I know right? The warehouse scene was a distinctly Batman fight.

Maybe part of the problem is what Moviebob said in his "Really That Bad" series - it's a good fight, but it isn't set up properly by the film so the emotion doesn't land. It's supposed to be a triumphant return to Batman being a defender and avenger of the innocent, not a vindictive brander and punisher. But the film hasn't given us any hint of what he was like before Robin was killed, so it's just a fight. I agree it's a good fight on its own, but the surroundings drain a lot of the impact.

Ben Affleck Batman is underrated in action scenes, I still have beef that this Batman so easily kills even when the Dark Knight Returns comics he was based on did no such thing and even outwardly stated guns are the weapons of cowards, alongside the fact Batman in mainline simply hates them and vowed never to use one. But like the fight scenes were nice and heavy, its a more brawling and powerhouse Batman compared to the more acrobatic one I used to see in the animated The Batman where he slips and slides and does rapid kicks and punches more like a ninja or martial artist. Or in Justice League where he relies more on gadgets and adopting enemy weapons to keep up with the more super powered or monstery enemies.

@@raymondingles8335 MovieBlobert

​@@kennethsatria6607 with that kind of body, it's harder to jump around doing acrobatics stuff. animation can do that because it doesn't have limitation.

They just dissed all of DC for no reason 😂

​@@malachilining2730 Why ofc if it's DC then they always getting the diss unless it's The Dark Knight

he also missed entire plot of wonder woman 1 and forget WW never had her full power until her fight with ares. he comperes a clip from ZSJL(which happens almost 100 years after WW) and a clip from her first movie where she didn't even discovered her powers yet.

Shang chi is crap

That's a good observation; Shang Chi was trained in martial arts to kill, but his mother's martial arts is more about simply beating the opponent rather than killing him or her.

That scene genuinely felt like it belonged in an action movie. Wish they kept it grounded and focused on the family in the 3rd act instead of turning it into the same old Avengers lets fight a CGI army mess

@@Prince36300 yeah. Otherwise I did love the movie and I hope Shang Chi as an ip continues on to do well and improves

Yeah their argument against Shang chi not having a distinct fighting style is pure bs

Yes, describing Shang Chi as "just kung fu" seems unfair - it's technically true, but there's a lot of definition of different styles within kung fu to specific characters and situations.

The lighting put me off, all I could see was green screen and it might not even be that much greenscreen at all. But that flat Marvel lighting ruined it for me. And of course the story.

This was about movies not shows

​@@madnessarcade7447 The video description and the content discussed stated that the discussion was about the cinematic interpretations of these characters. I think believing the live action shows should fall under that category is more than understandable

same

In the past, action stars can actually do fight choreography like Bruce Lee, Jackie Chan, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sylvester Stallone, Michelle Yeoh, Cynthia Luster. That's why you don't need to hide their face with shaky cam and quick cuts. Today you can cast a skinny 5-foot actor as a superhero so you need to hide their face in 90% of the fight scenes because they can't actually do the moves.

I feel like Batman should do alot more in a group fight then just Brawl and Grappling hook. He should be allowed to go all our in terms of Gadjets, he's well known for his creative inventions so making his aproach to a group fight to brawl it out feels like a waste of potential. And that's not getting into his 1 on 1 fights which tend to be the more significant one's where you might expect to see more of a character not less.

​@@thekey0123 Well, that's 50-year-old, angry, burned-out Batman, in a hurry. His style has probably gotten a lot more basic than it once was, back when he was more athletic and "playful".

​@Thekey0123 he used his batarangs, and his explosive poppers as well

I feel like he completely ignored the watchtower scene in the first Wonder Woman movie where she uses her lasso to, well, lasso people around but also does the shield manouver with Steve to propel her to the tower and then to smash through. In her second movie they did try to do something with the lasso but I feel like it largely didn't really work.

Yeah this video just completely overlooked eveeyth8ng in WW and BvS and even MoS where the entire fight is basically Supermaj trying to stop Zod without killing him. Go rewatch the no man's land scene into the village in WW and tell me it isn't distinct 🙄 Batman uses his batwing, grapple, batarangs, grenades, crates, and the literal floor. Tbh I think whoever wrote this video just doesn't like DC 😂

Facts, and I actually loved that movie, it felt like for better (and for worse) they really branched out with creativity. Riami did a good job imo

@@lvnar5734 Raimi directed it well but the movie still sucked, imo

Raimi had like no control for probably 80% percent of the movie it went through recuts and reshoots

Sam Raimi's direction was great; the horror elements; the nostalgia of his earlier work; But - the comedy was off, killing some characters felt so wasted and the fight between Doctor Strange and Sinister Strange was boring. The musical notes? C'mon.

​@@lvnar5734I am with you.

Oh man, it's wild to be reminded that the Goblin formula was the same as the Spider mix, just not filtered. Getting bodyslammed _through_ floors? I lost my damn *mind* watching that go.

And Superman.

​@@HoodedSpidey 😶now that's cap

​@@sgn4354Wonder woman is VERY inconsistent, sometimes she can fly, sometimes has super speed, sometimes his bracelets are super powerful, sometimes she doesnt even use them

​@@HoodedSpideySuperman fights exactly like Zod and all kryptonians (which would make sense except for the part Superman was never trained in krypton), also, fights like Shazam, and like, Black adam

@@jamz8785 so he fights as if he has super godly strength.

It would have been perfect if he turned down all the lights, while we the audience are seeing one of the henchman’s night vision perspective who’s just standing still being scared.

​@@HappyLlama8373 Ah. Batman: Assault on Arkham

are they wrong tho? cgi is expensive and creativity is not exactly a key ingredient in the disney soup

Please leave that busted Netflix iron fist out of this AK the show with some of the worst fighting on the planet.

@@jordanwhite352 I literally could not care less what you claim to think.

@@ryandegrave8978 You should if you actually want something good

@@jordanwhite352 That makes no sense.

@@ryandegrave8978 simply look up any fans or critic reviews of ironed fist and that should tell you everything why everyone pretends to ignore that that series existed

You also get Marc's brutality and skill alongside Steven bouncing and bobbing like an amateur boxer 😅 it's like a two-for-one!

@@keenanchandler2469 Yeah. The diversity of the fighting really tells a story all on its own

> The Eternals all had extremely unique powers and they fought differently They possessed mighty abilities, like the power of boredom and incoherency!

​@@BlazingOwnager i like Thena and Makkari's fight choreography tho.

Makkari was so cool in that film - it felt like the first refreshing take on a speedster since Dash & Quicksilver.

@@keenanchandler2469You didn't even like Sonic in his movies?

@@EclipsingTNT I loved both Sonic films, but his speed scene in the first is essentially the "Time in a Bottle" scene feat. more chilli dogs. 🌭🌭🌭

Vibranium absorbs energy and releases it as kinetic force. While the shield in the comics is unique (an amalgam of vibranium, adamantium, and a "mystery metal" implied to be uru), the MCU shield is pure vibranium. The reason it bounces around like a Nerf ball is because it absorbs the impact with the object, then projects it back; if it's a solid object, like a tree, the tree barely moves and shoves the shield back. Hitting a person, it wouldn't cut the person in half, it would produce a concussive force which causes the person and the shield to push each other away.

Meh, it was mostly CGI on that bus with him being rubbery half the time and takes you out of it The bamboo fight was way better

@@ninjanibba4259 If you watch the making of, it really wasn't. The bus isn't really rolling down the street, but the interior was largely real. I just feel like this video didn't acknowledge the amazing work Simu put to become the best action performer in the MCU.

@@fengusburnt yet no one talks about it, if it was truly special, it would have been impactful As it is, it's nothing more than another MCU product with ok action

@@ninjanibba4259 That's absurd.

the agents in the matrix are using slimmed down versions of karate and judo, which only appears western due to literally a decade of effectively whitewashing and dumbing it down before it. the wachowskis and woo ping yuen made the choice as story reinforcement, no doubt, but they're all technically just different asian martial arts, with some additional warring nationality predispositions...

Probably

I liked how Daredevil and Punisher weren't afraid to take a pounding while dishing one out. That emphasizes the realism of their characters being just a bit more than an average human

Plus you watch the final Zod fight, they have different styles as well. Superman fights like a brawler mixed with his flying, tackles, and heat vision. Zod has military precision mixed with brutality.

I would say, it was the must brutal fight scene in the MCU as well - I think we never once saw superpowers to be used by heroes with clear intention to immediately kill the opponent, not just immobilize them

Really? I thought her unique fighting style got totally lost in MoM the Illuminati scene is actually a prime example for that I think. She just kind of stands there for the first three members, basically not moving at all for Blackbolt, extending one hand for Mr. Fantastic and doing a single spin for Cpt. Carter. The most unique thing she really does in that movie is her kill on Professor X, no?

@@desreploid3353 just because she wasn't moving like a ninja doesn't mean she wasn't creative at all. The whole point of that scene is to show us that she is letal af with bare minimum (think fast), therefore creative.

I've always been a fan of Shinso's power. If you answer a question he asks, you get mind controlled. That's nuts.

@@Crocogator He should've been utilized way better imo

I don’t know if you’re reading the manga, but Shinzo just did something to turn the tide of the final battle. But I do agree for most of the series he could have used his powers more often if he was around more