It is essentially the fence and the idiot problem. There is a fence in the idiot's way. Rather than look at the fence, it's surroundings, and the purpose behind it. The idiot breaks it down and celebrates claiming they made the roads better by allowing a new path into the village. The next day the idiot is angry at why all the towns people are angry and blames them for having a bunch of wolves enter the village last night through the same path he came from.

Shad hit the nail on the head 30 seconds in. Virtue signaling is a sign that a person has the mentality of a child. I remember being a kid and seeing some other kid getting scolded and saying out loud "I'm not like that, I'm well behaved." And I saw plenty of other kids do the same thing when I was working as a primary school teacher. Adults virtue signaling is a symptom of infantilism that is so common nowadays.

"People who unironically say humanity is bad and the bugs should have won" *Servitor buzzing stops, reloads the boltgun* (grumbling):"Xeno sympathizers."

In the words of Roanoke Gaming - " Humanity Number 1, baby"

Those that say humanity is a problem and should be reduced should lead by example, then I might consider the heft of their resolve and argument

Remember the rat utopia experiment ? it's pretty much that.

These types of people would totally be the same kind of folk who were holding up the “hello E.T” sign in Independence Day and cheering right before they were vaporised. 🤫

In the book, Heinlein described the bugs as "a species evolved to function as a communist collective. " It's not too hard to guess the politics of the people complaining, the bugs are their wet dream after all.

It's time to get the flamers brothers, the heavy flamers.

Reducing CO2 emissions doesn’t even register as environmentalism to me. I see it as a scam for better or worse.

"the only good bug is a dead bug!" - Starship Troopers

Hate the bugs Hate the bots Love me managed Democracy Love me humanity Simple as.

"it's a mindless drone" so basically tyranids, and people are siding with them...... what?

Theres an even greater irony. Lets say that the bugs territory had been encroached on. That humans had invaded it in some way or another. These people, who are saying the bugs were justified in using lethal force to retaliate against an intruder in their home are also the same people who are against personal firearms and the right to self-defence.

"Why do they hate humanity?" They're sociopaths. They lack the thing that makes someone human and they resent us for it.

It's a mixture of extremely simplistic thinking, self-loathing, and nothing better to do.

Fun thing: In the Starship Troopers (CGI) Series, the bugs themselves are slavers and colonizers given an alien species, 'The Skinnies' as they are called, are enslaved through use of mind control bugs. So if they really want the bugs to kill humanity, they will probably do it slower once they've taken over everything by capturing you alive and implanting you with a mind control bug. Same premise as the Jaffa from Stargate, who are also enslaved by parasites using stolen alien technology.

Shad hit the nail right on the head. The most telling thing about people who criticize Starship Troopers from the viewpoint of the humans being the bad guys is that, every time, they wilfully ignore that the bugs are the aggressors and not the victims lol.

Is a common theme with woke people that they revere characters that act more like villains than the supposed bad guys. See Velma, Barbie, Rachel Zegler's pre-rewrites Snow White, Suicide Squad.

Because they hate themselves.

They are spiteful mutants

Damn Space Mormons, why are they so hellbent on galactic colonisation, they tried to do the same in The Expense...

I always saw the movie as a clash between cultures that could never co-exist. (Never read the books) Yes there is the news reels about the Mormons getting killed. But the only way they could have been warned is if it happened before. The bugs have a hive mind. One human is the same as all humans. That is their mindset for the war. The reason why people are defending the bugs today, is they have the same hive mindset.

Shad, it's called Mask-Off. Face-Off is a great Nicholas Cage film.

Turns out, those old times movies that showed Commies as a hive mind weren't wrong

They also fear responsibility. Expecting people to earn what they get is "fascism". It's "fascism" when their mother makes them clean their room.

My impression was never that the bugs were the “good guys”, more like the humans were stupidly conducting a needless war against dumb, dangerous animals on the other side of the galaxy and somehow losing. It was a negative portrayal of war, militarism, and humanity itself.

If it's Helldiver's universe, the reason bugs hate us is when humanity kills bugs the bugs become oil and humanity decided it needed to kill bugs, a lot. Also I think in the narrative of the movie that take is mentioned. Just before the bit where Johnny tells them "I'm from Buenos Aires, and I say kill them all!" The reporter says "Some say the bugs were provoked by the intrusion of humans into their natural habitat, that a "Live-and-let-live" policy is preferable to war with the bugs. "

Shads doing his part! Would you like to know more?

I didn't see any of those bugs holding up a "Welcome migrants" sign.

carl in the expanded lore has connected his mind to the bugs fully and knows that they will never stop until humanity is extinct. there is no peace to be had humanity has no choice but to fight.

with regards to the eating bugs, the problem isn't necessarily taste. The problem is that they are essentially made of chitin, with little if any meat underneath. Humans can't digest chitin and as a result it just goes through you and can, if not chewed enough, damage your intestines or stomach. Crabs and shellfish and other seafood which has a chitin exoskeleton has significant portions of meat underneath the chitin which can be eaten while peeling away the shells, this is why we don't eat the shells of shellfish or other crustaceans, just the meat underneath. flies away

These are the kind of people who would try and protect the zombies

It's fun to see it. A whole new generation of people who don't get Starship Troopers.

My favorite scene in that movie was the commercial they made with the kids stomping the bugs, and in the background, a narrator says 'Are you doing your part?' - so fantastic!

“It’s a very rightwing book. And with the movie, we tried, and I think at least partially succeeded, in commenting on that at the same time. It would be ‘Eat your cake and have it.’ All the way through we were fighting with the fascism, the ultra-militarism. All the way through I wanted the audience to be asking, ‘Are these people crazy?’” - Paul Verhoeven

I would send those people to be the negotiators with the bugs.

We told you Mormons it was a dangerous planet, we told you about the bugs ! I'm not on Twitter, but ha someone made a Palestine/Israel comparison with Starship Troopers already ?

"We are bad for merely existing, but also I am better than everyone else for dedicating my life to publicly shaming myself for how bad I am for existing" is a brain-rot way to say "Everyone on earth is scum but I'm better than them because I say the buzzwords". It sounds to me like a religious concept of original sin, but if you utterly stripped it of grace, and replaced it with pride.

We call them Death Cults for a reason. Edit: Shads rant is the best!

It's also because Heinlein overtly made the bugs to represent the perfect communist

According to the movie, humans fought a war with the bugs some time ago and since both sides cannot communicate with each other, they are still at war. Wonder why the director forgot about that.

Most modern ideologies can be summarize as 'nihilism', one way or another.

The bugs weren't capable of space travel, how could have they launched a meteor? They even say that bugs aren't intelligent. The movie is mockery of fascist propaganda, why can't you understand that? Even the director said as much.

OK at first I open the video and I was like what the hell is shad on about? starship troopers does not hate humanity. But a few minutes in he finally clarifies it’s not the movie that hates humanity. It’s the people on Twitter.😂 yeah, that makes more sense

Just a stunning display of media illiteracy, both for the book and the movie. The book is meant to discuss the horrors of war (the author was a Navy veteran) and exploring the concept of a society where political leaders were required to have experienced those horrors firsthand as well and how that might impact policy decisions. And while in the book the right to vote is limited to "citizens" (those who enlist & serve in the military), every member of the society enjoys a whole host of benefits--free education, healthcare, services, etc.--with only political participation gatekeeped to full citizenship. The movie is explicitly a parody of fascist propaganda, colonialism, jingoism, and how political/military leadership often views frontline soldiers as dehumanized cannon fodder. The "Roughnecks" like Rico and his fellow soldiers are pretty blatantly human-counterparts to the majority of the Arachnid drone soldiers. We see this with clear visual symbolism in the Battle of Klendathu, where the Roughnecks are deployed and charge forward as a chaotic swarm just like the bugs. And then it is fairly heavily implied that the bugs didn't even start the war--that it was humanity seeking to colonize Arachnid worlds (a la Ender's Game) and the bugs were defending their territory. Hell, it's even implied that the astroid attack on Buenos Aires was a false flag, used by the government to justify the final assault on the bugs and re-rally the public behind the war after the disaster on Klendathu. None of this is all that sublte either. So either Shad & Co. are truly thick and unable to see very very obvious symbolism & messaging, or they're just performatively lying "because woke" or something. Either way, what a dolt.

Starship Troopers is one of those movies that got really lost in translation, the Guy who made it completely misunderstood the books so he created a Satire of false impression but he still somehow managed to incorporate original elements that confused the message he was trying to say, He is obviously painting the humans as fascists with their Gestapo uniforms but somehow completely misses some really obvious things like the media in the movie is really pushing the idea of propaganda but it actually tells things exactly as they happen so it is more honest than our own, the leadership is a supposedly authoritarian dictatorship but when they lose the first battle he takes responsibility and resigns, there are tons of other inconsistencies which is no wonder that a bunch of people misunderstood the story and though the movie was facist propaganda which is an absolutely hilarious irony.

"Naboo was literally a swamp until the mormons" Star wars deep lore.

I have nothing against eating bugs, but chitin and sclerotin don't digest in the human gut soup. You'd get some nutrients from them, but the whole "they're mostly protein, and we all need that!" thing doesn't make sense if you're just making very proteinous poo.

Did y'all watch Starship Troopers? No one was there? What? Planet Dantana was deep within Arachnid territory. The Mormon colonists were warned to stay away. The colonists seismic activity alerted the underground bugs. Starship Troopers movie was a satire of fascist military states, here oppressing religious peoples and peaceful ones and a quick tongue in cheek here -LOL at mormons being actively so dumb in settling there despite warnings and not arming themselves. Furthermore in the show it's likely the bug meteor was either a Federation inside job or completely unlucky occurance, perhaps even caused by the ship hitting the asteroid. Either way the Federation used it to warmonger as countless examples in history show. The book is different and more ambiguous but it's pro human species, boiling down things to us vs them, very anti Star Trek inclusive message. Furthermore modern misanthropy boils down to: world ending or threatening problems of castastrophic pollution and weapons driving ecosystem collapse, see climate change and nukes principally.... and two that we have such technology and wealth yet a worsening of the divides between the uber rich and the poor leading to more misery, not less. How can one see uber rich and not have misanthropic feelings when genocide, slavery, famine, and general suffering abounds?

Starship troopers is odd to me. The director wanted to show how easily people fall for fascistic propaganda. However, they failed to really show it in a negative light. The bugs are an existential threat. Men and women live together in an egalitarian society, but women still act fairly traditional. And then there is the whole "service guarantees citizenship"... It's an interesting conversation of a movie

Shad, for some background, the director was trying to lampoon the original book this was based on. The book is amazing. The movie was so badly lampooned that it became unintentionally hilarious. For more on the director and his mentality, look him up and his connection to "The Jesus Seminar"

Draining a swamp is not a good thing. In Poland we drained most of our swamps over the centuries and now we suffer hydrological draught every year. Swamps accumulate water when it rains and later release it slowly to the environment. Of course for a person living in a swamp draining it may be beneficial, but for the landscape as a whole it is harmful.

"I want to make a movie so painfully obvious in its satire that everyone who understand it lives in perpetual psychological torment inflicted on them by all the people who don't" - Paul Verhoeven, 1996

It just follows the trend of humanizing monsters. I could get behind friendly vampires, I was a bit lukewarm on friendly zombies (though the the gal on I Zombie is really cute, and the series kept the Romero approach of zombies), but misunderstood bugs?

Well damnit. Now I have to start liking Mormons, because of how likeable Shad and crew are. Way to go, guys!

The Starship Troopers movie was a satirical extreme of what a militant regime could be in a manipulated society. I wouldn't presume it's a scathing review of actual humanity, because it doesn't represent actual humanity. Same thing with Animal Farm or Ender's Game, they're more like cautionary tales.

It amazes me how the movie is a satire of Fascism and people miss the memo completely and instead support humanity.

Siding with bugs is always the right answer: because they're cuter than humans

House spiders have free rent, but anything else has to go.

I mean, the point of Starship Troopers is that humanity just attacked the bugs for no reason. Fuck, dog, the Military sends the asteroid to Earth in the books and blames it on the bugs just so they can fight more You know what Starship Troopers is about, right?

well, the bugs in Starship Troopers are a hivemind, so no wonder these drones side with them.

I think a lot of the misconception about the Mormon colony in Starship Troopers that doesn't come from a disingenuous read of the book is due to the sequence of events being rearranged by Paul Verhooven, I think intentionally to produce exactly this kind of misconception, that we knew the bugs were there and they went to colonize anyway. This is not the case, it's only presented out of order in the film.

Shad seems to have impressively missed the entire point of Starship Troopers

Bro, did you not rewatch the movie before recording this? The movie goes out of its way say humanity bad

Thinking of Shad's rant on the Mormons getting pushed about and relocated.. I wonder if he's read/watched the Expanse? They are one of the only religions mentioned in the series commission the building of a generational ship... and well I'm not gonna spoiled it.. But it doesn't go well is all I'm saying for the Mormons.

Knights would be extremely media illiterate. This is great cosplay

media literacy is dead

Half this video is just "muh oppression". Wtf?

What’s ironic is I just finished reading starship troopers and not once do I remember hearing about Mormons in the book. If I’m mistaken, a page number would be nice.

Why do they hate humanity? They’re afraid. They’re afraid!

It's genuinely shocking how many people in here are just intellectually incapable of recognizing or understanding even the most blatant satire aimed at them. The entire point of the movie is that no, the bugs are NOT "a genocidal race intent on the destruction of mankind", they are literally just a normal species whose land humans have decided to colonize, and you are watching a society which is doing its very best to make you the viewer believe otherwise. I didn't think you people needed something more blatant than "the news advertising a live execution as a family-friendly sporting event and then reporting on how a group of aliens with stone-age technology hundreds of millions of miles away from Earth destroyed Buenos Aires with a targeted meteor strike" to know that this is obviously satire, but apparently so. The movie is satirizing the ways in which fascist propaganda dehumanizes its opponents and makes them out to be inhuman monsters, and how easily people can get swept up into a genocidal fervor. Say what you will about lefties, at least no Marxist is going around saying that actually Big Brother in 1984 are supposed to be the good guys. I feel like this might be the ultimate example of intelligence being a non-transferable skill between various subjects. Shad is very bright in his field, but apparently has the media comprehension skills of a particularly precocious five year old.

Verhoven wasn't trying to suggest the bugs were the "good guys", but if you are rooting for the fascist human society in the movie you clearly missed the point.

As many memes that exist because of this movie... I don't blame you.

TLDW: The arguments constantly switch between both the movies and the book. For any arguments on Starship Troopers KEEP THEM SEPARATE!

2:15 Yes Shad, I have to say that is pretty radical. Animals are NOT here for mankind. That is just nonsence. They are not objects that you can just use and toss aside. They live and breath like we do. Humans are also animals. Only 5% of the land is untouched by humans. Only 15% is protected as preserves and national parks etc. That is not a lot.

Well they say that the humanity is the problem attacking fictional genocidal bugs, but it's the same kind of people who don't realize how sh*$y a war is until your own friends and yourself are being targeted. Morality over reality I guess x) ?

I spend way too much of my life challenging people in KZfaq comments to describe even a single instance of fascism in the starship troopers movie. It's been over a decade and the best they can ever say is "the director said so!"

It's the same people fighting for human rights for zombies in the middle of the breakout.

And it's funny because usually the people who has the most misanthropist and hate ideals towards humanity tend to be also extremely protective and "inclusive" towards minority groups (like women and the rainbow mafia) and it becames weird because, if you hate humanity so much, why did you become so picky and hyper defensive towards this kinds of people?

90%+ of people who discuss the politics of Starship Troopers have never read the novella. It's almlost shocking how few people know anything about the story.

I don't care much for humanity as a whole, but I don't like genocidal bugs either. I also don't really talk about my distaste for things on social media.

One thing to consider is that Staship Troopers was a freaking movie. It wasn’t real!

"Why do so many people hate humanity?" From The Princess Bride: >"I could give you my word as a Spaniard!" >"No good; I've known too many Spaniards."

Sometimes I feel like people who support the bugs are mad at humans for not giving them everything they ever wanted.

Service guarantees citizenship.

The first Starship Trooper is a MASTERPIECE. And oddly prophetic.

There’s an original series episode of Star Trek where they meet the gorn and they do very well in looking at “maybe humans were the aggressors” when something is mentioned about gorn nests around the first outpost but it was done in a classy way

According to the propaganda broadcasts, the bugs were first on dantanna. The "mormon extremists" set up a colony inside the arachnid quarantine zone. You could argue that the bugs just followed their instinct in protecting their territory. Still no reason for genocide.

"Come on, you apes, you wanna live forever?" - Rico, Johnny

Tell the same people that hundreds of millions of poor people in poor countries are just subsistence farmers supported by international aid. Their cause is not about the number of people, otherwise they would try to reduce birth rates there.

I'm on the side of "purge the xenos, the mutant, the heretic" myself. If anyone disagrees, we can discuss it whilst waiting for a member of the Holy Inquisition to arrive...

11:06 and again, anyone who is for "net zero carbon emissions" in my opinion HATE PLANTS and vegetation 🙄😮‍💨

You’d think they’d want to talk about District 9 with more sympathetic bugs

“I’M DOING MY PART!”

I don't know about the book, but the first movie is about the dangers of militarism and expansion. It's a satire, something that goes over the heads of seriously a lot of people. But it's a Paul Verhoven film, so to have satire on culture isn't a surprise. The human society in the movie is horrifying, but I never got the idea it was anti human. It's just holding up a mirror to us

HUMANITY FIRST!

I’m still mad the Starship Troopers book still hasn’t had a faithful adaptation.

The Mormons weren’t even in big territory. They were in the massive exclusion zone around bug territory, that the bugs were illegally invading

These people have never seen the film.