Why Don't Catholics Believe in Sola Scriptura?

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Douglas Beaumont

Douglas Beaumont

Күн бұрын

Do Protestants really have the Bible as their highest authority (the doctrine of Sola Scriptura)? Would it matter if Catholics affirmed Sola Scriptura? Here I will argue that it would not matter if Catholics adopted Sola Scriptura because practically nothing in this debate actually follows from the principle.
0:00 Introduction
0:37 What is Sola Scriptura?
1:20 The Argument for Sola Scriptura
2:39 Do Protestants Deny Tradition?
3:40 Does the Catholic Church Violate Sola Scriptura? (pt. 1): Going Beyond Scripture
4:35 Does the Catholic Church Violate Sola Scriptura? (pt. 2): Contradicting Scripture
5:13 Do Protestants Contradict Scripture?
6:38 Contradicting Scripture or Scriptural Interpretations?
8:09 The Catholic Church's Position on Scripture and Tradition
9:09 Non-Biblical Catholic Teachings
10:08 Protestantism's Contradictory Foundation
11:20 Nothing Really Follows from Sola Scriptura
11:47 The Sola Scriptura Smokescreen
12:26 Scripture is Not The Real Issue
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@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
As always, I welcome constructive discussion in the comments below! I wish I didn't have to say this, but . . . comments that are off-topic or demonstrate a lack of familiarity with the contents of the video will be ignored or deleted. Abuse or rudeness will result in blocking and reporting.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
By consuming the accidents of a thing you are consuming the substance.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
It's formally insufficient for Protestants too - which is the Church's point. :)
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
I find the formally insufficient view proven by Protestantism. ;) I'm not saying that many things, including the basic Kerygma cannot be understood sufficiently *for salvation* (at least some basic belief) - but if founding a movement on a verbal contradiction that led to 100+ denominations and theological positions doesn't suffice for proof of fairly ubiquitous formal insufficiency, I don't know what would.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Substance is that which a thing is - and accidents are modifications of substance, so you've got it backwards.
@Hanna_W
@Hanna_W 9 ай бұрын
You are such a blessing!
@christopherlampman5579
@christopherlampman5579 Жыл бұрын
Doug, I’m a Protestant moving towards the Church. Your videos have been my number one source of inspiration. Thank you.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
God bless you on your journey and thanks for letting me know!
@sotem3608
@sotem3608 Жыл бұрын
I will pray for you Christopher, I'm going to be confirmed this easter as well!
@hoha3725
@hoha3725 Жыл бұрын
Easter is near. God bless you all!
@faithofourfathers
@faithofourfathers Жыл бұрын
Excellent video! These are some of the reasons I left my “non-denominational” Protestant church after 26 years of Protestantism, and returned to the Catholic Church.
@seanthompson5077
@seanthompson5077 2 жыл бұрын
When I was an evangelical Protestant, I realized that there were scriptural verses that we had to ignore. The number of verses I needed to ignore grew overtime. I was also taught the Catholic Church taught a false doctrine of “ works based salvation.” My conversion to the Catholic faith happened after I was blown away by the church’s teaching on salvation and justification- it’s ALL grace. Our calling is grace, our faith is grace, our works are grace. The catechism’s teaching on this topic is the closest match to the 200 verses covering this topic written in the New Testament. However, I love my Protestant brothers and sisters and how they preach to the lost. We need to humble ourselves and learn from them in that regard.
@KSTrekker
@KSTrekker 2 жыл бұрын
I had a similar conversion story and it always bothered me how as Evangelicals we steered clear of some verses (especially John chapter 6). If you were given an explanation, it was always something about “lost in translation” between the original Greek or Aramaic. So God inspired the writing of scripture only to have it lost in translation 2,000 year later? I don’t find that plausible.
@KSTrekker
@KSTrekker 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pikee - Do you offer any proof to back up this statement, or are you just trolling Catholics?
@seanthompson5077
@seanthompson5077 2 жыл бұрын
@@Pikee Which words specifically??
@voxangeli9205
@voxangeli9205 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent!!!
@crossbearer6453
@crossbearer6453 Жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN how can u pray to Jesus Christ and know He is alive if u can’t see Him like u see everyone else??
@KSTrekker
@KSTrekker 2 жыл бұрын
This was the best explanation of Sola Scriptura I’ve heard. I’m tired of constantly defending the Catholic Church against “where is that in the Bible?”
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad it helped!
@churchoftheformerdaysaints
@churchoftheformerdaysaints 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. I think this is often a case of one knowing the other better than the other knowing the one. I've been to anti-catholic apologetic classes, and I was always disappointed with the argumentation. Like with my limited knowledge of Catholic teaching and scripture, I can prove it to be a valid interpretation in most cases at least. And many times a preferable interpretation.
@churchoftheformerdaysaints
@churchoftheformerdaysaints 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN that Matthew 16 teaches that Peter was the first pope, which was the historical interpretation of the church fathers, the correct interpretation according to the historical-critical tradition, and the Petrine authority was shown in the synods and counsels of the early church.
@churchoftheformerdaysaints
@churchoftheformerdaysaints 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN chapter and verse, please.
@churchoftheformerdaysaints
@churchoftheformerdaysaints 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN right... "Holding the chief place in the Apostleship..." Augustine believed Peter was the chief apostle according to your quotation. What is proved is that he also believed Peter was less than Christ, which is essentially what the position of Pope is. Not only that, but Augustine lays out a line of succession from Peter to Anastasius, the bishop of Rome in his day (letter 53, 400ad, regarding Donatism and the unity of the church). Add to this the general deference given to the Bishop of Rome as equal to the other bishops, but higher in honor (which was expressed by Turtullian, Origen, and Cyprian, and in the synods and counsels of the church), plus scriptural references to "the three pillars, Peter, James, and John" (Gal. 2, something), the loss of the James line of succession, and the schism between the John and Peter lines (byzantine and western, respectively), the only pillar left in the western church is Peter. Ergo, Peter was the first Pope. Although I'll admit, Augustine, and the other church fathers interpreted Matthew 16 in a multiplicity of ways (the rock as the church, Christ, the confession, every christian, and Peter), it was ultimately used by them to establish bishopric authority (among other passages), and Peter was the first and most honorable among the apostles to be given this authority.
@johnpeters1441
@johnpeters1441 2 жыл бұрын
It is amazing to me that those who hold to Sola scriptura ,need their pastors to explain it to them over and over.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
It's a tricky one to get right and maintain consistency!
@johnpeters1441
@johnpeters1441 2 жыл бұрын
I might be wrong ,but I do watch them on television quite often, since I was a little kid . it's just amazes me how many different opinions there are. You would think the way they explain it they would all come up with the same conclusion. But that's just me talking.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnpeters1441 Welcome to Protestantism. ;)
@ucheodozor4147
@ucheodozor4147 Жыл бұрын
Sir, you're one of the soundest minds I've ever encountered in my entire life, and in my career as a logic and philosophy university professor. I saw your other video of a discussion with your protestant friend. I noticed that he couldn't really fault your arguments for Catholicism, even though he said he found them unpersuasive. I guess it's probably because it's not easy to throw overboard a belief system in which one has been brought up. However, with time and studies, I strongly believe he'll make the switch, unless he's a hardliner in anti-Catholicism. Still, the Holy Spirit has been quite capable of taming Saul into Paul.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much!
@rexfordtugwelljr
@rexfordtugwelljr 2 жыл бұрын
For most Protestants, sola scriptura is “the Bible and my interpretation and you’re wrong if you disagree with that interpretation” What is astounding is the almost complete disregard for the consequences of this self-imposed infallibility…a divided Body of Christ
@sugarloaf10
@sugarloaf10 Жыл бұрын
I so appreciate how well versed you are in the opposite side - enough to concisely elucidate the claims without resorting to disparaging comments.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@marce.goodnews
@marce.goodnews Жыл бұрын
By reading the Bible I came to a point of not finding any protestant denomination to be part of. And then an old acquaintance shared with me the second episode of "Mass of the Ages" and the Eucharist triggered me to search more about it and lead me to the Catholic Church.
@francishaight2062
@francishaight2062 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant, and thank you, sir. Pretty much all of your points, Doug, and others, can be said to have been swirling around and percolating, though inarticulated, just below consciousness my whole life, since I first encountered that most favored excuse, sola scriptura. They can leave us confident that Catholicism is where the truth is to be found, even if we haven't taken the time to work them out and articulate them as well as you have done here. Ave Maria!
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Very welcome!
@abdumasihalarkhabil9667
@abdumasihalarkhabil9667 2 жыл бұрын
The Catholic doesnt have to limit her source to a certain texts, doesnt have to twist History (even the dark History of the Church), doesnt have to pretend that every teaching of the Church is not involving development.... The Catholic position is easy to defend
@matthewbroderick6287
@matthewbroderick6287 Жыл бұрын
I asked Dr. Gavin Ortlund a dozen times, " Can one know with infallible certitude what Jesus Christ meant by "this IS MY BODY ", ( Matthew 26:26). Naturally, he never answered me! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
@St_Pablo298
@St_Pablo298 Жыл бұрын
This is pure gold. Logic should tell any Protestant that thousands of denominations can’t all be correct, and thus “scripture alone” clearly is being merged with different interpretive traditions.
@I12Db8U
@I12Db8U Жыл бұрын
Logic should tell anyone under the Roman Bishop that "scripture and tradition" is clearly being merged with different interpretive traditions. Eastern Orthodox (Russian and Greek schism), Oriental Orthodox, Nestorians, Sedevacantists. You got Old Believers and Old Calendarists. All accept "scripture and tradition."
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
@l12Db8U - These are different traditions and we all acknowledge that, so your analogy fails.
@I12Db8U
@I12Db8U Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont They're different traditions all claiming to be purely Apostolic. This is precisely the same as each protestant claiming they're being purely Biblical.
@hannahmaningo8884
@hannahmaningo8884 Жыл бұрын
​@@I12Db8Uthen, go back to the deepest roots and the early church fathers. It can even be found in the bible. Start there and trace all of history until this day. There you will understand 😉
@I12Db8U
@I12Db8U Жыл бұрын
@@hannahmaningo8884 The Assyrian Church of the East is the oldest unchanged Tradition. They're the only ones who haven't invented anything new since the time of the Apostles. Do you refer to them?
@Nick-rb1dc
@Nick-rb1dc 2 жыл бұрын
What I like most about Doug's KZfaq channel is how it actually teaches Protestant doctrine! Whenever I want to prove Protestant doctrine, I only go to Catholic sources. But how is that possible for a Catholic source to teach non-Catholic teaching? It's Impossible! Similarly, since the Bible is actually a Catholic book, it is impossible for it to teach anything other than Catholicism. So the REAL problem with Sola Scriptura is that it is an incoherent attempt to use a Catholic Book to teach non-Catholic teaching. Too often the Catholic side concedes the Protestant error that the Bible doesn't teach any one specific form of Christianity, but rather a book of various ideas that you can freely make up your own religion about. But then Christianity is no longer something passed down, and instead a build-a-relgion, which is nonsensical. So the Bible must be about one specific religion, Catholicism, and if so then by definition it cannot teach anything Protestant, and any verse they appeal to is necessarily a misinterpretation. To suggest otherwise is like saying I can take random clips from Catholic Answers and claim it teaches Protestantism.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
I love this approach! (Great idea for a new video! ;) )
@churchoftheformerdaysaints
@churchoftheformerdaysaints 2 жыл бұрын
Well I think what Doug said was true. Sola scriptura as de re doctrine is true even within catholicism. As a de dicto doctrine though, it certainly is self-refuting, like you said.
@Nick-rb1dc
@Nick-rb1dc 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN that's a broad claim considering that most of Protestantism does not support SDA dogmas including 1844. Over 99% of Protestantism would say 1844 has no reasonable Biblical basis. And most would reject the dietary laws of SDA and Sabbath claims. Meanwhile, most would say the SDA view of Salvation is not faith alone but instead closer to Catholicism. So it is highly ironic that you identify as Protestant in any real manner, or are somehow defending Protestantism. Even the SDA view of Sola Scriptura is different since Ellen White is seen as an inspired Prophet and thus at least equivalent to the Pope.
@Nick-rb1dc
@Nick-rb1dc 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN and that dogma of 1844?
@Nick-rb1dc
@Nick-rb1dc 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN the "Adventist" in "Seventh Day Adventist" hinges on the 1844 doctrine, which even SDAs are embarrassed about.
@adamjackson8664
@adamjackson8664 2 жыл бұрын
I've often thought about this I don't see a problem with Sola scriptura. In fact I'm willing to go that route. The explanations from loads of scripture I never had a clear answer of in protestantism but found the catholic explanations just made way more sense.... and it's all there. Authority structure, purgatory, communion of saints, confession... like it's literally all there it's just always glossed over and sometimes downright ignored in protestant circles... with these explanations, history, and logic... and God's grace I became catholic. I really believe if someone would be honest and actually look at the bible and search for explanations it would be hard not to become catholic. It would be willful ignorance at that point.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
I hear you! I often tell people that it was Protestantism that led me to Catholicism. ;)
@loridavis7086
@loridavis7086 Жыл бұрын
I had elderly neighbors who were Free Will Baptists … wonderful people. I couldn’t have had better neighbors. They loved Jesus & lived it. They had adult children who were also Baptist but believed in pre-destination … & didn’t even pray for a sick child b/c the outcome was already pre-destined by God. In the same town, I had a Baptist based non-denominational church friend who interpreted “saved by Grace” to mean zero accountability to God in our actions as long as we claim His grace… have a relationship w a married woman (my friend), embezzle money from the company you work for (a retired minister who stated there was no contradiction in his actions & beliefs b/c he was saved by grace). They didn’t draw on God’s Grace & power to be changed, but continued in sin (doesn’t that contradict a lot of scripture?) These examples illustrate to me what you are saying about the varied Protestant conflicting interpretations of scripture … & this is just in the Baptist church alone. I appreciate how well you are explaining these things b/c while I’m growing in a better understanding of the Catholic Church, I’m also growing in understanding of my Protestant, evangelical friends … where they’re coming from. While I don’t believe in their teachings, interpretations, or way of condemning all other religions, I can more easily love them when I understand them… even when they’re telling me I’m going to hell.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
The trouble is all of those interpretations are possible for a group who can start off with direct biblical contradictions. What can stop them after that?
@hannahmaningo8884
@hannahmaningo8884 Жыл бұрын
I certainly agree. It lead me to question how they view morality. Stated in Revelation 21:27 "but nothing unclean will enter it, nor any[one] who does abominable things or tells lies. Only those will enter whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life." I was told by a baptist friend that only if you believe in Jesus Christ, accepting Him as your personal Lord and saviour and repent of your sins you will be saved . . . Well catholics have that too, only for baptists, ones saved always saved. But in the context of being human we always sin, and because of that we have to always repent too. What happens if we don't repent the sins we have committed after accepting Jesus and believing in Him? Will I still be able to claim my place in heaven? The only answer i get is "that is why the gospel has to be preached" "that is why you have to repent before you die" What if the person who claims to love Jesus, believe in Jesus, and accept Jesus, does not follow the commandments given by Jesus? What if the person has a hard angry heart towards his neighbors, can he still claim his place in heaven when he dies if he doesn't repent? And going back to revelation 21:27 I'd say God is being serious here. We can even prove to them that some of their teachings are very contradictin like in Matthew 25:42-46 "Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels." 42k For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43a stranger and you gave me no welcome, naked and you gave me no clothing, ill and in prison, and you did not care for me.’ 44* Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’ 45He will answer them, ‘Amen, I say to you, what you did not do for one of these least ones, you did not do for me.’ 46l And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Reading the bible even further makes me think that they're unkowingly contradicting "sola scriptura".
@hannahmaningo8884
@hannahmaningo8884 Жыл бұрын
With all honesty, i really love how they love Jesus. It makes me love Jesus even more. I do pray that they will be guided by the holy spirit, and be lead back to the truth. This isn't a battle between people, but a battle between the church founded by Christ and the one who does everything he could to break the church apart.
@lesliejamieson6781
@lesliejamieson6781 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I loved your research. Thank you. I will share you as my source when I argue these points!
@matiyasalemayehu5198
@matiyasalemayehu5198 2 жыл бұрын
Clear and articulated arguments. Thanks for your efforts. May God bless you.
@carpet95
@carpet95 2 жыл бұрын
Hello! Learning a lot from your channel. Please do more videos on specific issues, as these not only help strengthen my position as a catholic, but also on my conviction and understanding on how God wants us to properly follow Him and his commandments. Thank you!
@carpet95
@carpet95 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN Hello, can you pls elaborate. Tnx.
@RedWolf5
@RedWolf5 Жыл бұрын
@@carpet95 ignore he’s SDA
@NassauOngalewuPukapuka-hg4zt
@NassauOngalewuPukapuka-hg4zt 5 ай бұрын
Praise the Lord for your testimony brother 👏 absolutely AMEN 🙏
@RedWolf5
@RedWolf5 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent again! I love your presentations and the way analyze these issues.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@leeveronie7850
@leeveronie7850 Жыл бұрын
Excellent Video Mr Beaumont ..... Thanks for Sharing Your Thoughts and Knowledge
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@halleylujah247
@halleylujah247 2 жыл бұрын
Thorough explanation thanks!
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@TrailandBackAgain
@TrailandBackAgain 2 жыл бұрын
Your reasoning is rock solid, brother. Great video, Doc! 🍻
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated!
@josephtucciarone6878
@josephtucciarone6878 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for teaching us.
@randycarson9812
@randycarson9812 Ай бұрын
Please debate Dr. Gavin Ortlund on this topic. Others have done so very capably, but this flawed doctrine is the gift to Catholics that keeps on giving.
@PuzzlesC4M
@PuzzlesC4M Жыл бұрын
Wow. I have always been taught that the Church held tradition above Scripture, and in a way, I was ok with this studying Catholicism… because the scriptures are part of the tradition. But I didn’t realize the Catechism put it this way!
@agorawindowcleaningllc451
@agorawindowcleaningllc451 4 ай бұрын
Former student of Doug. Wholeheartedly disagreed with him then (mostly because I was a Calvinist) but his videos are top notch, informative, and appreciate his clarity. Find myself agreeing with him more these days on his views. I’ve Been binge watching his channel.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 4 ай бұрын
Good to reconnect!
@zon3665
@zon3665 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thanks
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome and thanks for watching!
@39knights
@39knights Жыл бұрын
Excellent well balanced, calm exposition of the debate over Sola Scriptura. I would even argue that one can hold the Church can command things in contradiction to scripture. When God made a covenant with Abraham, it was to be an EVERLASTING covenant (Gen 17) and circumcision was the EVERLASTING sign which seperated the saved from the unsaved; as some would argue baptism functions now. Yet at the first council in Jerusalem, with the final say of Peter, the sign of circumcision was stopped. Nowhere could anyone say Jesus said it was to stop (He Himself being circumcised); nor was there any scripture to back up the New Tradition. We also see this happening over the matter of divorce. Jesus did say that it was God's intention for permanent marriage, and in the New Covenant it should be too. But under the direction of Moses and the Law, divorce was permitted and one would have to say, tolerated by God for a time. There is nothing really magical about the year between 1BC and 1AD that peoples' hearts are now so 'evolved' that such contradictions are no longer needed to lead people toward salvation. That is why the balanced approach you advocate for in Catholicism makes so much more sense in determining God's Will for the direction of His people in the absence of God doing so directly, face to face, upon the Earth.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
I don't think the Church can affirm actual scriptural contradictions. For example, circumcision was never for Gentiles and so the Jerusalem council was called to determine the rules for a new situation. But your point remains regarding interpretation - in many cases it may seem obvious how to apply a given scripture when it turns out it still needs to be explained.
@simplydanny
@simplydanny 2 жыл бұрын
I try to explain this to protestants all the time, your interpretation or theology does not equate to the infallibility of Scripture. Unfortunately in their minds there are no distinctions between the two and believe the Holy Spirit is guiding their understanding and it’s unfathomable for them to think that they’re getting it wrong. This is my experience without fail. Another element is needed outside of the self. The Church as Doug says doesn’t deny that these element exist such as sacred tradition that guides interpretation of Scripture and a Magisterium that has the promise and charisma of infallibility. Whats more interesting is that these things are not novel. Moses and the Jewish world ordered their religion the same way. They had the torah, they had oral tradition and they had the Sanhedrin. It makes sense that the new Moses, Jesus, would order His Church the same way. Great job Doug, always look forward to your videos.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Great analogy, thanks for watching!
@simplydanny
@simplydanny 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN you missed the point my friend, it was said tongue in cheek. If Protestant have the Holy Spirit but come to different conclusions, then the two logical conclusions are that the Holy Spirit is a spirit of confusion, or that Protestant don’t have the charisma of infallible interpretation. God is not the author of confusion therefore the latter must be true, thus we must look elsewhere.
@simplydanny
@simplydanny 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN but Catholics do believe that there are times when the Pope and the Magisterium re infallible, this is why the Church promulgates documents and makes definition. This is why when a Protestant says something is heresy it holds no weight, because one you have to define heresy and second you have to officially declare someone or something heretical. When those who are within the Church are heretical or an idea is deemed heretical there are serious consequences attached to those things. The Catholic Church acts exactly how an institution would act if it did have that authority and we have apostolic succession to prove it. Meaning we have the tools and mechanism in place to act on behave of Christ. Yes but which denominations are wrong? Who decides that? Even Protestants understand the necessity for councils because all denominations have them, they just don’t have authority and don’t even exercise authority. But if Protestant can’t even agree on some of the most essential parts of the faith, that just tells me this system is all based on who has the best argument, and that’s just not how you determine truth. Doug actually has a video on this channel about the difficulties for Protestant to even determine essentials amongst themselves.
@voxangeli9205
@voxangeli9205 2 жыл бұрын
@@simplydanny, makes sense absolutely!👍
@tamib64
@tamib64 2 ай бұрын
Salvation is a free gift from Christ alone that none should boast
@jacobwoods6153
@jacobwoods6153 2 жыл бұрын
I have one complaint... You don't post enough videos! Lol.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
I'll see what I can do. :)
@davidszaraz4605
@davidszaraz4605 2 жыл бұрын
Great as always Dr. Beaumont! Yeah protestants interpret James 2 their own way. But let me ask you this, have you ever heard a protestant interpreting Matthew 25:31-46? When I ask protestants why are people on judgment day judged according to their deeds, I simply don't get an answer. This passage is just so utterly refuting Sola Fide, they simply cannot give an answer. Do you know anyone who tackled with this one? Thank you!
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
I heard it handled in much the same way as James 2;24 - that the works that should follow from salvation (i.e., not as part of salvation's cause but only as a result of true faith) were not present which indicated lack of saving faith. Another interesting move among Dispensationalists is to say these are a group who, due to their living during the Great Tribulation are judged by their works. Weird.
@voxangeli9205
@voxangeli9205 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN , Douglas is not answering you, he’s replying on others instead... Why?
@voxangeli9205
@voxangeli9205 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN, Douglas is not answering you, he’s replying on others instead... Why?
@voxangeli9205
@voxangeli9205 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN, Douglas in not answering you, he’s replying on others instead... Why?
@voxangeli9205
@voxangeli9205 2 жыл бұрын
@YAJUN YUAN, Douglas is not answering you still for the 4th time, he’s replying on others instead.... For the 4th time, why?!
@Glory_be_to_Christ
@Glory_be_to_Christ 10 ай бұрын
I don’t feel like I belong to any denomination, is there something wrong with me, brethren?
@shadowledastray
@shadowledastray 3 ай бұрын
No, I've been there, jumping between different Protestant denominations, but once I began reading the writings of the Saints and feeling a connection to their thoughts, it sorta grounded me in the sense of belonging to this greater order and spiritual heritage spanning Church history. Suddenly my "protest to Roman Catholicism" became a desire to return to the historic Church. So that may touch upon the heart of what you're experiencing too, the need to be connected to the roots of the Christian faith to which you were called. There are many dead branches, for they did not remain in the Vine.
@PellePoluha
@PellePoluha 2 жыл бұрын
Hi! Thanks for this! I'm a Catholic but struggling a bit with this issue. Isn't one major difference between Protestantism and Catholicism that the Catholic church declares as dogma teachings that are only loosely based on Scripture, thus "forcing" me to believe things not based on Scripture. Protestants also have these kind of teachings as you say but they won't make my salvation depend on me believing these teachings.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent question. The Church technically doesn't require one to believe (with full assent of faith) non-dogmas, but full assent to dogma is essential to being a faithful Catholic. (Salvation is, as always, dependent on God's judgment and subject to factors besides mere assent.) Since Catholic theologians affirm the material sufficiency of Scripture, dogma should be able to be found, however remotely, in Scripture. (For example, Mary's bodily assumption into heaven can be argued from Revelation 12:1. It might not seem a very strong argument to some, but it is there. However consider the very canon (authoritative book list) of Scripture itself. I don't think it can be shown that Scripture is materially sufficient for knowing what counts as Scripture, yet both Catholics and Protestants are expected to give full assent to the established canon. That kind of undermines the argument that one should not be "forced" into believing things not based on Scripture. So it's an interesting issue for both sides (much like, as I argued in this video, sola scriptura is).
@wbl5649
@wbl5649 Жыл бұрын
Purgatory being a main example.
@rtapologetics
@rtapologetics Жыл бұрын
Hello Mr. Douglas are you willing to debate or have a dialogue on this particular topic? We have someone that's interested in chatting with you on this topic.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
We can discuss it. Email me at dougbeaumont@gmail.com
@apostolicapologetics4829
@apostolicapologetics4829 2 жыл бұрын
Can a catholic theological argue that the "canon of scripture" is a secondary issue of doctrine and then hold to the material sufficiency of scripture? I personally think this can not be possible because not all doctrines are found in scripture. The canon being one of them, the order of worship, can we elect more apostles, is the canon closed, when is someone officially married,ect? Not all is in Scripture even materially but I could argue all is in Sacred Tradition except one condition and that would be the "inspired" part of tradition which would be Sacred Scripture. Therefore, I guess we could say that for a time the church was operating sola Sacred Tradition until the first inspired book is pinned. The Sacred Scripture would be a development of doctrine from Sacred Tradition that is the only inspired part. Any thoughts?
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen more than one definition of material sufficiency, and usually mostly as an aside to contrast it with formal sufficiency which is usually the focus. The more expansive view (e.g., Dave Armstrong) is that: Material sufficiency is the belief that all Christian doctrines can be found in Holy Scripture, either explicitly or implicitly, or deducible from the explicit testimony of Holy Scripture. A more moderate view is just that Scriptures contain all that the faithful need to be saved. I suppose one could argue that the canon is assumed to already be in place before the issue is raised, but that would still leave the other examples you listed. So if the expansive view is taken, your points are, I think solid. If the moderate view is taken there is probably enough wiggle room to get around your examples, but I think it's still an issue. I'll have to study this out more, thank you - well done. :)
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
0:46 Let's recall, that the Protestant heresy or error, whichever it may be is all what the Catholic Church condemns, usually at Trent, and not all that the Protestant affirms. Obvious example "Lutheranism" - a Lutheran may very well believe things a Catholic not only may believe but even _has to_ believe, like Christ rising from the dead, or God intending the Church to convert nation by nation collectively, and therefore to have the Church as institution with the nation, and laws of the nation state inspired by God's true Church. What the Catholic Church _condemns_ are things like "simul justus et peccator" or "Ecumenical councils have erred" or "there is no Purgatory" or "souls in Purgatory do not profit from Indulgences" ... In the same way, what Session IV at Trent condemns and what Luther affirms by this one of his five solas are not the same.
@bluecollarcatholic8173
@bluecollarcatholic8173 2 жыл бұрын
What do Protestants mean when they say , classical Protestantism never taught Bible Alone ?
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Basically they are trying to get out of the obvious problems with the so-called "solo scriptura" model popular amongst poorly-informed non-Catholics. When "sola scriptura" is taken to mean "I only believe what the Bible says," that is more a reflection of Baptist theology than the direct denominations of the Reformation proper (Luther, Calvin, etc.). These "classical" Protestants see the Bible as the only prime / highest authority. All of the solas are challenges to the Church - not just generic statements of "aloneness." So with Scripture, "only" is opposed to the Church / Tradition.
@shadowledastray
@shadowledastray 3 ай бұрын
​@DouglasBeaumont I noticed the Reformed Protestants would say "It's Sola Scriptura, not Solo Scriptura" in response to newer Protestant branches that dismiss all writings of the church fathers and saints through out history, because "where is that in scripture? I care not for the traditions of man!". Seems like the logical conclusion to the Sola Script position, a multitude of denominations, all born in isolation, one for each believer and their own personal interpretation.
@noxvenit
@noxvenit 2 жыл бұрын
Right, it would not matter very much if Catholics adopted sola scriptura: we'd still be having most of the debates we have been having for the last five centuries, debates which occurred among Catholics (ie., when we were all Catholics). (If I recall correctly, there were three dominant views of justification prior to Trent: those held by Scotus, Aquinas, and Augustine.) We would still be arguing about whether justification is by faith alone, apart from works, which in turn depends upon whether sanctification is part of justification (ie., in the sense that, in a Venn diagram, the circle called 'justification' there would be included a smaller circle called 'sanctification') or whether, while not strictly separated, justification and sanctification are distinguished from each other such that justification is by faith alone, the works "component" properly belonging to sanctification. We would still disagree with each over transubstantiation, the proper understanding of the Augustinian views of original sin and concupiscence (among others), whether original sin includes the guilt for Adam's sin, whether concupiscence itself is sin, doctrinal development. And we will certainly continue to debate the relation of scripture and interpretive traditions (ie., whether and to what extent such traditions is fallible and, therefore, subject to correction by the scriptures); that is, whether subsequent synods and councils can correct previous synods and councils. But since the so-called Reformation was sparked by Luther's 95 theses, we should start by asking why it was the 95 and not the 97 theses (published a month or so before the 95), which cause such a stir. After all, the 95 said nothing about justification by faith alone, or scripture alone. If anything, the 97 (being anti-scholastic, pro-Augustinian) contained more seeds of Protestant doctrine than the 95. And even then, he appended to the 97, the following declaration: "In these statements we wanted to say and believe we have said nothing that is not in agreement with the Catholic church and the teachers of the church." He felt similarly about the 95.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent points, all! And the sensational mythos surrounding Luther seems inexcusable today.
@noxvenit
@noxvenit 2 жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont As inexcusable as the continuing insistence by many Protestants that Rome teaches salvation by works.
@noxvenit
@noxvenit Жыл бұрын
@@po18guy First, it's a cute counter-factual claim, but he Scriptures will not and cannot be completely taken away. "Bible Christians" as you call them would still have the faith, as they have been praying and singing scriptures for centuries now (just like Catholic and Orthodox). Besides, if the Bible were completely taken away, from what texts would your priests deliver homilies from? As to how recognizable the reformation is, my grandparents died not recognizing their post-V2 church, and John Paul was still pope when they died; whereas I, little Catholic boy that I was, thought Trads were basically fundamentalists. I don't know what they would think of Francis. And as to 500 years, Rome and Constantinople have been trading accusations of one or other heresy for much longer than that: filioque, anyone? Hesychasm?
@apostolicapologetics4829
@apostolicapologetics4829 Жыл бұрын
@ 11:16 Didn't Luther acknowledge that James 2:24 meant justification in the initial sanctification sense? Otherwise why would Luther want to throw James out of the canon if it meant vindication before men as the modern Protestants want to claim it means. Also, how can the modern day protestants go against the founder of Protestantism on this definition of justification yet except Luther's canon?
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Luther actually said James and Paul could not be reconciled. So sad.
@grosty2353
@grosty2353 2 жыл бұрын
In regards to 6:04, how do you feel about Lutherans, who are undeniably Protestant but believe in the presence of Christ in the Eucharist?
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Luther was the first to leave the Church so he retained more than many Protestants. He personally believed "this is my body" was literal in SOME way, but not the way the Church defined it (literally/sacramentally along Aristotelian-Thomistic lines). So Luther compromised by saying Jesus is really present although what we eat is not his body and blood. As far as I can see, this remains contrary to John 6.
@grosty2353
@grosty2353 2 жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont but isn’t that Also the case in the thomistic sense since Christ is present in the substance but not the accidents?
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
@@grosty2353 Accurately stated, the substance of bread/wine is replaced by the substance of Jesus' flesh and blood. In the Lutheran sense, the substance of bread/wine is not replaced - it remains. Jesus' body and blood are spiritually added to (i.e., not substantially replaced by) the bread and wine. Following A/T metaphysics, these are completely different things. A substantial change means something changes into something else (without accidental physical change in the case of the Eucharist). For the Lutheran, something else is added and not in a substantial way - so what is being eaten is the same thing it was (i.e., bread/wine - not Jesus' flesh and blood).
@grosty2353
@grosty2353 2 жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont makes sense to me. Thanks for clarifying and taking the time to respond. God bless.
@dcn.paulschwerdt1582
@dcn.paulschwerdt1582 Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont My two cents' worth: consubstantiation is the word to describe what Lutherans believe. P.S. I'm going to watch the video of your appearance on The Journey Home now.
@MAMoreno
@MAMoreno Жыл бұрын
The difference between Protestantism and Catholicism on this issue is that Protestantism (in theory) does not insist on the infallibility of its own interpretations, while Catholicism explicitly insists upon its own infallibility. What this means is that Protestantism allows for course corrections if a demonstrable error has been made, while Catholicism has no such mechanical safeguard against error. Protestants don't take it as a matter of faith that the Christian tradition never went astray. In regard to something like James 2.24, if a Lutheran denomination determines that "Sola Fide" is incorrect, it can change its perspective accordingly (though some individual congregations may reject the denomination's conclusions and break away, of course). If anyone in the Catholic tradition--from Francis to Frankie--comes to the conclusion that the tradition got it wrong, there's no path toward correcting it from within. The Church would have to change its position on the infallibility of the Magisterium before it could change its position on anything that has been clearly instituted as doctrine.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
This is a good point. The Protestant must affirm this outlook of course, because if they rejected it their entire project would fail. However, I do not see that as a benefit but rather as a detriment. It's possible that God went through the trouble to inspire an infallible text but then left its 100's of fallible interpretations to be sorted out by fallible people with no infallible guide, but I don't see that as beneficial.
@fantasia55
@fantasia55 10 ай бұрын
Each denomination insists on its own infallibility.
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
2:29 I was shocked in Austria, surrounded pretty much by Catholics, when a Salvation Army officer gave me the booklet "Sieben Sekten" = "Seven Cults" Along JW and Mormons, you also found 7 D A (my dads then confession) and RC.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Coming from a "Christian" group that doesn't even pretend to baptize, that might be a compliment! :)
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont The booklet was not by a Salvationist. The Salvation Army was for juridical reasons registered as a confession, it is more of an interconfessional "order" or "ministry" ... often its members are baptised and go to communion in other Protestant denominations that are actual denominations. The Salvation Army officer in question was some kind of Swiss Reformed, not sure if Calvinist or Zwinglian, I tend to think the latter. I think the author of the booklet is from Switzerland too.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
@@hglundahl Gotcha.
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont I also think the author of the booklet was not a Salvationist.
@simonfreeman308
@simonfreeman308 Жыл бұрын
@@hglundahlYou should research the Salvation Army because your information is wrong. The only correct information was that they don’t practice baptism.
@Rebel00852
@Rebel00852 Ай бұрын
5:08 "pretty tough time proving the catholic church actually contradicts the words of scripture" Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
6:03 Historically, Lutherans have upheld the Real Presence. They have tried to show how this does not involve the "Popish" doctrine of Transsubstantiation (let alone Sacrifice of the Mass), but the quarrel between Luther and Zwingli was that Luther upheld and Zwingli denied Real Presence. High Church Lutherans and High Church Anglicans do believe the Real Presence.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
True - they affirm the phrase (however they fill in the meaning). In the context of this video I was speaking from the Popish understanding. ;)
@hglundahl
@hglundahl Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont Actually, Catholics have not defined the Lutheran idea as denying the Real Presence, but as denying what are its actual preconditions. And consequences. Transsubstantiation was opposed, a few attempts can be seen as: * consubstantiation * impanation * ubiquity of the Body of Christ. Luther however _did_ deny the real presence remained after the communion service. This is not followed by some High Church Lutherans.
@churchoftheformerdaysaints
@churchoftheformerdaysaints 2 жыл бұрын
As a traditionalist messianic who generally agrees with everything you said in this video, what would be the Catholic argument against my interpretive framework? That is, the church and the synagogue should be synchronized as much as possible, and that there is essentially perfect continuity between the testaments.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure, what is the traditionalist messianic argument against the Catholic Church? :)
@churchoftheformerdaysaints
@churchoftheformerdaysaints 2 жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont I don't know if it really has an argument against the Catholic church, as much as a contradistinction, which is the obligatory nature of the Law of Moses. I suppose it also is not generally seen as part of the Catholic church, which I believe is okay, and still within the graces of the Lord.
@Darth_Vader258
@Darth_Vader258 Жыл бұрын
@@churchoftheformerdaysaints Judaism is PRE Messianic Catholicism while Catholicism is POST Messianic Catholicism.
@churchoftheformerdaysaints
@churchoftheformerdaysaints Жыл бұрын
@@Darth_Vader258 I don't understand your point
@Triquetra15
@Triquetra15 5 ай бұрын
I don’t know exactly what traditional messianics believe, but I was taught that the Catholic Church does believe in the continuity between the Old and New Testaments and that Jesus fulfilled the prophesies in the Old Testament and in no way contradicted them. Additionally, the Catholic Church believes that Jesus, as the Son of the Father, established a new covenant with humanity through his Passion, Death, and Resurrection.
@mortensimonsen1645
@mortensimonsen1645 Жыл бұрын
I follow your logic which is very good and convincing, but I think one could say that "Sola Scriptura" is dishonest and that's reason enough to not embrace it, neither for Catholics nor for Protestants.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
You got it. ;)
@jmorra
@jmorra Жыл бұрын
Why, then, do I so often get the impression that whenever I see a toss-up between holy tradition and scripture, holy tradition always seems to win?
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Can you give a real-world example?
@dave_ecclectic
@dave_ecclectic Жыл бұрын
If Sola Scriptura was true, then why do we need a man to explain the Bible? And of course, why is that individual's explanation better than the pastor down the street. Why does anyone need to 'church shop' AND why don't they recognize how bad that term is? Church shop.... why not call it what it is, Jesus shop.
@Scientist_Albert_Einstein
@Scientist_Albert_Einstein 2 жыл бұрын
If anything "sola Scriptura" leads to Catholicism. You can completely destroy Martin Luther's false doctrine of salvation by faith alone by using sola scriptura. James 2:14-26 completely destroys the heretic! In fact sola scritura destroys a lot of protestant heretical teachings. John 6:51destroyes the protestant heresy that the body of Jesus is not the bread. Jesus himself destroys the protestant satanic and heretical doctrine that the bread is not the body of Jesus. Just read Matthew 26:26, Mark 14:22, Luke 22:19, 1 Corinthians 11:24 Protestants claim that they use sola scriptura but in fact they don't even use scripture and they don't care about scripture. They step on scripture and preach whatever they want!
@justthink8952
@justthink8952 Жыл бұрын
No one can definitely prove Catholic tradition are not inspired by the holy spirit. Catholic Church not being able to prove with visible evidence those traditions to be inspired by the holy spirit doesn't prove that they are not inspired. No one can say that the holy spirit cannot inspire the setting up of Church's tradition. We cannot limit the works of the holy spirit. No one can definitely prove the 26 books of the NT Bible are inspired because none of those books except the book of Revelation claim itself to be scripture. Besides, no one had received revelation that those list of 26 books as inspired. At the same time, no one can say the NT books are not inspired due to lack of visible proof because there is reasonable basis that it must be inspired. It is by the Catholic Tradition that we take the NT books as inspired. Take it or leave it but that's the fact.
@cynthiax56
@cynthiax56 2 жыл бұрын
➔ All of the following things that Protestants attack can be found in the Bible: Holy images are BIBLICAL and are not "Idols" .... ➔ INTERCESSION OF MARY & THE SAINTS, CARVED IMAGES IN THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD, HONOURING MARY, AND BOWING AS A SIGN OF HONOUR AND RESPECT: (All copied from the protestant version of the bible by Cynthia X) Including proof that saints are not dead, niy tsyjrt sharing in eternal life with Christ. Sacred Images are Biblical & mocking & destroying them is a serious sin, an act of blasphemy: ➨ SACRED IMAGES: Sacred images are not idols and it is an act of blasphemy to attack them: ● EXODUS 25:18-22 God commands Moses to make STATUES of Angels. ● NUMBERS 21:8-9 God commands another image to be made, a serpent. ● EZEKIEL 41:18-25 KJV ➔ EZEKIEL's VISION OF THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD ADORNED WITH CARVED IMAGES: ... 18 And it was made with CHERUBIMS (ANGELS) and PALM TREES, so that a palm tree was between a CHERUB and EVERY CHERUB HAD TWO FACES; 19 So that the FACE OF A MAN was toward the PALM TREE on the one side, and the FACE OF A LION toward the PALM TREE on the other side: it was made through all the house round about. 20 From the ground unto above the door were CHERUBIMS (ANGELS) and PALM TREES made, and on the wall of the temple. 21 The posts of the temple were squared, and the face of the sanctuary; the appearance of the one as the appearance of the other. 22 The altar of wood was three cubits high, and the length thereof two cubits; and the corners thereof, and the length thereof, and the walls thereof, were of wood: and he said unto me, This is the table that is before the Lord. 23 And the temple and the sanctuary had two doors. 24 And the doors had two LEAVES apiece, two turning leaves; two leaves for the one door, and two leaves for the other door. 25 And there were made on them, on the doors of the temple, CHERUBIMS and PALM TREES, like as were made upon the walls; and there were thick planks upon the face of the porch without. ➨ BOWING as a sign of honour / respect: ● JOSHUA 7:6: 6 Joshua & the elders of Israel tore their clothing and lay prostrate (face down on the ground) before the Ark of the Lord. (an OBJECT) ●1 KINGS 2:19 Solomon bows to his Mother. (a human being) ➨ INTERCESSION OF MARY & THE SAINTS IN THE BIBLE ...INCLUDING BIBLICAL PROOF that SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: The Protestant claim that we are forbidden to speak to / pray to Mary and the saints is NOWHERE in the Bible. In fact, the following scriptures were copied (by me) directly from the Protestant version of the Bible: ... ➨INTERCESSION of a holy person on our behalf: ● JOB 42:8 8 Now therefore take seven bulls and seven rams, and GO TO MY SERVANT JOB, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and MY SERVANT Job SHALL PRAY FOR YOU, FOR I WILL ACCEPT HIS PRAYER NOT TO DEAL WITH YOU ACCORDING TO YOUR FOLLY; for you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. ➨INTERCESSION of MARY: JOHN 2:1 At the wedding feast at Cana, it was Mary who asked Jesus to help the wedding party. ➨INTERCESSION OF THE SAINTS: REV 5:8 The prayers of the Saints are offered to Jesus the lamb. ➨The KING Honours his mother's request: ● 1 KINGS 2:20: Then she said, “I have one small request to make of you; do not refuse me.” And the king said to her, “Make your request, my mother, for I will not refuse you.” (Jesus is the Greatest King and he also honours his mother's requests) SAINTS ALSO WORKED MIRACLES: ➨ JOHN 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. ➨ PAUL RAISES A MAN FROM THE DEAD: ● ACTS 20:7-12 9 And there sat in a window a certain young man named Eutychus, being fallen into a deep sleep: and as Paul was long preaching, he sunk down with sleep, and fell down from the third loft, and was taken up dead. 10 And Paul went down, and fell on him, and embracing him said, Trouble not yourselves; for his life is in him.20: ● MARK 6:12-13... 12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them. ● ACTS 19:12 The Handkerchief of Paul healed sick people: 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ● ACTS 5:15 The shadow of Peter healed the sick: so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ➨SAINTS ARE NOT AMONG THE DEAD: AND THEIR INTERCESSION IS BIBLICAL: They share in the ressurrection of Jesus: (Protestants attack Biblical saints while they follow dead reformers) ● MATTHEW 27: 52 -53: When Jesus was raised from the dead Many were raised up with him. 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. ● LUKE 23 v 39-43...Jesus told the good thief "today you will be with me in paradise" ● REV 19 v 14...when Jesus returns he will be accompanied by his heavenly armies of saints. ● 2 COR 5 v 8...Paul tells us that to be absent with the body is to be with the Lord. ● JOHN 11 v 25-26...Jesus said I am the ressurrection and the life, he who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives, believing in me will never die. ● LUKE 1619-30 The story of the rich man and Lazarus show The Rich man, Lazarus and Abraham, all concious and interacting with each other even though they have physically died. ● LUKE 9:30-31 And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: 31 Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. (Moses & Elijah were alive, and were yalking with Jesus) ● REV 6:10 The souls of the martyrs are before the throne of God, crying out for justice. (they are conscious and actively petitioning God) ● HEB 12:1-3 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, ● MATT 17:1-13 ...At the Transfiguration of Jesus, he is seen speaking to Moses and Elijah, further showing that Holy ones of God are not among the dead. ➨HONOURING MARY: LUKE 1:48: All generations will call Mary Blessed. We Catholics are the ones who call her the BLESSED Virgin Mary and treat her accordingly. RELICS OF THE SAINTSS ● 2 Kings 13:21 The Bones of Elijah revived a man: 21 And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spied a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha, he revived, and stood up on his feet ● ACTS 19:12 The Handkerchief of Paul healed sick people: 12 so that even handkerchiefs and aprons that had touched him were taken to the sick, and their illnesses were cured and the evil spirits left them. ● ACTS 5:15 The shadow of Peter healed the sick: so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. ● MARK 6:12-13... 12 They went out and preached that people should repent. 13 They drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them. (the use of oil, a material substance was used to heal people) ➨NOWHERE does the bible permit protestants (or anyone else) to Scrutinize & monitor the prayers of other people, nor to judge their sincerity or their salvation. Protestantism does not come from Jesus. It began with Martin Luther in 1517 & exists Only to oppose the Catholic church which Jesus founded 15 centuries B4 the protestant revolt. They only know & accept the PARTS of the Bible that suit them and they do not have an accurate bible either.
@gk3292
@gk3292 Жыл бұрын
@Mysterious Cynthia…amen!! preach it sister!!
@cynthiax56
@cynthiax56 Жыл бұрын
@@gk3292 😍❤
@wjm5972
@wjm5972 Жыл бұрын
@@gk3292 amen gk
@dannisivoccia2712
@dannisivoccia2712 Жыл бұрын
The rule-of-thumb for interpreting the Scriptures is to always compare scripture with scripture. 2 Timothy 3:16&17. "ALL Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work." Many Roman Catholics, as well as Protestants, have established church doctrines based on one, two, or some scripture verses, without comparing ALL of the other pertinent scripture verses with each other. An example would be the difference between the works of the Law (for one to attain right standing with God) spoken by the Apostle Paul in his letters, and the works spoken by the Apostle James in his letter, the manifestation (fruit) of one who lives by faith.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
The problem is that anyone can choose which verse is used as the control and it gets us nowhere. As to the works of the Law, the distinction does not help the Protestant case: douglasbeaumont.com/2019/03/06/st-paul-on-works/
@PatrickSteil
@PatrickSteil Жыл бұрын
Agree. It should not be Scripture Alone it should be “the totality of Scripture alone”. I believe the Catholic Church has worked very hard when it says something definitive that what it says doesn’t contradict Scripture and also basic logic and reason.
@dannisivoccia2712
@dannisivoccia2712 Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont In your suggested video, "What St. Paul Really Said About "Works" does not take into account what Jesus said in John 15. Especially, where you said, "Catholic theology further teaches that performance of righteous acts and avoidance of sin are to characterize New covenant believers, and that they do affect ongoing salvation." In light of what Jesus said in John 15 your statement should read, the performance of righteous acts and avoidance of sin are the fruit of a believer who abides in Him, and His word abiding in the believer. It is another example of how important it is to compare all scripture with scripture.
@PatrickSteil
@PatrickSteil Жыл бұрын
@po18guy Amen - the Word of God cannot be constrained to a book alone! If the 12 Disciples didn't do it, why would we?
@dannisivoccia2712
@dannisivoccia2712 Жыл бұрын
@po18guy First of all, the Holy Spirit-inspired word of God is God's provision to His people for every human question under the sun. Comparing Holy Spirit-breathed scripture with Holy Spirit- breathed scripture is not at all man-made. Each scripture of a certain topic validates all other scriptures within the same topic, since all Scripture is God's truth and cannot contradict one another. Anything other than this is man-made.
@myrddingwynedd2751
@myrddingwynedd2751 Жыл бұрын
Scripture alone is definitely a problem when it comes to dogmatic teachings regarding the blessed mother. One could argue other disagreements are about interpretation. But since there is nothing specific in scripture in relation to the assumption of Mary, or the doctrine of the immaculate conception, then scripture alone as the sole rule of faith is definitely a problem. Luckily for Catholics, scripture doesn't teach scripture alone.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Revelation 12 supports the assumption but the immaculate conception is a theological conclusion without any simple proof texts. Of course the same can be said for other doctrines Protestants still adhere to.
@myrddingwynedd2751
@myrddingwynedd2751 Жыл бұрын
@Douglas Beaumont The woman clothed in the sun verse? Of course, protestants say the woman is Israel. It's down to interpretation I guess. I've heard some argue that the salutation "full of grace" implies a state of sinlessness by which we may arrive at the basis for the immaculate conception. The same language is used for our Lord in the first chapter of John, that he was full of grace and truth. What do you think?
@splendidarc1402
@splendidarc1402 Жыл бұрын
Im a Protestant. Id like a time machine please.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Who wouldn't??? :)
@josephssewagudde8156
@josephssewagudde8156 Жыл бұрын
I have discovered that one must be a a protestant to be a better catholic in future.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Ha! I've heard it said that Catholics get the best Protestants and Protestants get the worst Catholics. ;)
@josephssewagudde8156
@josephssewagudde8156 Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont , probably because there has been a very poor catechesis in the Catholic church and those who leave the church for protestant wing don't really understand the doctrine of their former faith and may not add much that side. Many of these are born Catholics. Protestants on the other side join the Catholic church after a long inquiry and have sound reasons for crossing the tibre, where they add a lot. Many former protestants understand the Catholic faith better than born Catholics.
@PatrickSteil
@PatrickSteil Жыл бұрын
Raised Catholic but then was Methodist for 20 years. So thankful for my time as a Methodist. Funny thing about Methodist, very few of their teachings contradict Catholic teaching. But they have no sense of. Who they really are. They trace their roots to John Wesley - an Anglican Priest till the day he died, but they don’t look even to the Anglicans for any doctrine or practice.
@reformedcatholic457
@reformedcatholic457 Жыл бұрын
No, not every Protestant holds to Sola Scriptura it's a popular misunderstanding by Roman Catholics. Anglicans, Lutherans and Reformed truly hold to Sola Scriptura this is because they also study Church history which helps interpret the Scriptures.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Can you give me an example of a Protestant group thay does not hold to sola scriptura?
@freakylocz14
@freakylocz14 8 ай бұрын
I'm Catholic, and I affirm Prima Scriptura.
@samuelwilliams1559
@samuelwilliams1559 Жыл бұрын
I am glad you like discussion. So do I. I promise to be respectful. But I cannot agree with the view that all RCC teaching are in scripture. Many are not. Now yes there are differences and having a youth pastor is a human tradition. But it does not go against scriptrue. But when a human tradition is the opposite or does against scripture. Than that is a false teaching. Start off with a small easy post to show the RCC puts it self above scriptrue. Even though they say they do not. So here. 1Timothy 3:1-7 This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. So first A bishop can be married. But in the RCC that is a false teaching. So the RCC places human tradition on the Bishop cannot marry. Now if a Bishop does not have a wife for other reasons not a problem. But to demand that the Bishop must not marry. That is placing tradition above scripture. Second A Bishop must be a good person . But RCC Bishops fought in wars slept with Whores and murdered people. But they are not removed that is putting human tradition above scripture. So Bishops including Popes who operated orgies and went to war on other RCC how can that be anything but a rejection of the Bible as any real authority. Next point. Jesus said : Matthew 5:43-48 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. But the RCC instituted the inquisitions to route out the enemies of the church by torture. To kill the enemies of the church. So the RCC has put the human traditions above scriptrue. The Pope is not in scripture. But he is made the ruler and could do what he felt. So wicked men were in charge of the Roman Catholic Church. Not GOD.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Even many Protestant churches recognize that the requirement (not merely an allowance as you summarize it) of married bishops is not what this verse means. It actually says "one-woman man" and is a character trait of faithfulness, not a requirement for being married. Further, it is a church rule, not a theological dogma and it is limited to Rome (although even Roman Catholic priests can be married under certain circumstances). So your first example fails. Second, your understanding of the role of the Inquisition has been historically falsified for many years - even by those outside the Church. See strangenotions.com/spanish-inquisition/ But even if it hadn't - a failure is not the same thing as a falsehood. The Church can err, but that does not make it false.
@samuelwilliams1559
@samuelwilliams1559 Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont True not a requirement to be married. But there is a requirement to not sleep with women and to not live in hate and sin. The RCC supported both sleeping with whores and living in hate. Also on these inquisitions there were many . Not just the Spanish. There are a number of good Secular documentaries on this topic. I have read a n umber of them. So putting a person on the rack is tough love for heretics?
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
@@samuelwilliams1559 Lots of things happen that are not supported. Just ask Ravi.
@samuelwilliams1559
@samuelwilliams1559 Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont Saved it to watch. So why was burying people alive okay?
@samuelwilliams1559
@samuelwilliams1559 Жыл бұрын
@po18guy So like so many. Instead of going to read actual History. You make up insults. First who is Slick Mike? Never heard of him. Jack Chick is a not a source for anything. He is full of conspiracy theories. I read some of his ramblings. But nope. Do not trust him at all. Which James White? I do not distort the sacred word. I gave you the exact words of the Bible. So your argument is with the words of GOD. As for getting my ducks in a row. Did that decades ago. When I started reading the History of the Roman Catholic church. So in you mind I am a troll. So inste4ad of trying to show me to be incorrect. You lab So you me as a troll so you do not have to read actual history. Not once have I personally attacked you. As you have done to me. Here is one of my sources on the evil the RCC has done. It is a good Pope. Who laid this evil done. List of apologies made by Pope John Paul II From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Pope John Paul II on 12 August 1993 in Denver (Colorado) Pope John Paul II made many apologies. During his long reign as Pope, he apologized to Jews, Galileo, women, people convicted by the Inquisition, Muslims killed by the Crusaders and almost everyone who had allegedly suffered at the hands of the Catholic Church over the years.[1] Even before he became the Pope, he was a prominent editor and supporter of initiatives like the Letter of Reconciliation of the Polish Bishops to the German Bishops from 1965. As Pope, he officially made public apologies for over 100 of these wrongdoings, including:[2][3][4][5][6] The legal process on the Italian scientist and philosopher Galileo Galilei, himself a devout Catholic, around 1633 (31 October 1992).[3][4][5][6][7] Catholics' involvement with the African slave trade (9 August 1993).[3][4][5][6] The Church's role in burnings at the stake and the religious wars that followed the Protestant Reformation (May 1995, in the Czech Republic).[3][4][5][6] The injustices committed against women, the violation of women's rights and for the historical denigration of women (29 May 1995, in a "letter to women").[2][3][4][5][6] The inactivity and silence of many Catholics during the Holocaust (16 March 1998).[3][4][5][8][9] For the execution of Jan Hus in 1415 (18 December 1999 in Prague). When John Paul II visited Prague in 1990s, he requested experts in this matter "to define with greater clarity the position held by Jan Hus among the Church's reformers, and acknowledged that "independently of the theological convictions he defended, Hus cannot be denied integrity in his personal life and commitment to the nation's moral education." It was another step in building a bridge between Catholics and Protestants.[3][4][5][6] For the sins of Catholics throughout the ages for violating "the rights of ethnic groups and peoples, and [for showing] contempt for their cultures and religious traditions". (12 March 2000, during a public Mass of Pardons).[3][4][5][6] For the actions of the Crusader attack on Constantinople in 1204. To the Patriarch of Constantinople he said "Some memories are especially painful, and some events of the distant past have left deep wounds in the minds and hearts of people to this day. I am thinking of the disastrous sack of the imperial city of Constantinople, which was for so long the bastion of Christianity in the East. It is tragic that the assailants, who had set out to secure free access for Christians to the Holy Land, turned against their own brothers in the faith. The fact that they were Latin Christians fills Catholics with deep regret. How can we fail to see here the mysterium iniquitatis at work in the human heart?".[3][4][5][6] On 20 November 2001, from a laptop in the Vatican, Pope John Paul II sent his first e-mail apologizing for the Catholic sex abuse cases, the Church-backed "Stolen Generations" of Aboriginal children in Australia, and to China for the behavior of Catholic missionaries in colonial times.[10] An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded. - Pope John Paul II [11] In December 1999, at the request of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, then Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith who would later become Pope Benedict XVI, the International Theological Commission presented its study on the topic Memory and Reconciliation: The Church and the Faults of the Past. The purpose of this document is "not to examine particular historical cases but rather to clarify the presuppositions that ground repentance for past faults." It examines repentance for past faults in the context of sociology, ecclesiology and theology.[12] So you are saying JohnPaul spread false History? r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrCmuP2fhtiKRcAYAIPxQt.;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzYEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1645997943/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fzims-en.kiwix.campusafrica.gos.orange.com%2fwikipedia_en_all_nopic%2fA%2fList_of_apologies_made_by_Pope_John_Paul_II/RK=2/RS=GNU.Wg60ij2.Hls42VBY_SouGqg- 1. The St. Bartholomew's Day massacre (French: Massacre de la Saint-Barthélemy) in 1572 was a targeted group of assassinations and a wave of Catholic mob violence, directed against the Huguenots (French Calvinist Protestants) during the French Wars of Religion. St. Bartholomew's Day massacre - Wikipedia Just do a little research. Look up in an encyclopedia the Papal wars. Here is one source. Choose to ignore it and look up your own. If you wish. medievaldiscord.com/the-papal-wars/ www.britannica.com/biography/Cesare-Borgia I choose to love GOD and love others. Like Jesus said.
@roshankurien203
@roshankurien203 Жыл бұрын
Once you realise biblical epistemology lies on the living witness. 2 or more. You don’t have much of choice but accept the Catholic Church
@JayEhm1517
@JayEhm1517 Жыл бұрын
Solo Magisterium.
@ateam388
@ateam388 Жыл бұрын
If a Catholic believes in only scripture, and not 2,000 years of apostolic tradition. As well as the New Covenant (Eucharist). Well, that’s just sad.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate here.
@4jgarner
@4jgarner Жыл бұрын
Question, the passage in James, did you quote it in it's entirety? Or just part of it? Because I seem to remember it reading differently but i have shoddy memory.
@4jgarner
@4jgarner Жыл бұрын
I also think i remember more in the verse from 1 Peter. That's odd.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
There is more to it- but not less, and the more doesn't change the meaning.
@4jgarner
@4jgarner Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. James 2:24 ESV So you feel that the "you see" in front of it doesn't change anything at all? And if not, then why did you cut that part off and not put in an ellipsis to show that you weren't quoting the entire verse but only a part?
@4jgarner
@4jgarner Жыл бұрын
@po18guy yes. Please do. And i can check and make sure that these verses weren't misquoted or that the "more" doesn't in fact change what is being stated as the meaning here. Thank you so much!
@4jgarner
@4jgarner Жыл бұрын
@@MasterKeyMagic it does though. Especially looking at it in the filler context.
@peterzinya1
@peterzinya1 4 ай бұрын
By saying that the bible isnt enough show a contempt for the bible. catholic have their doctrines and traditions, which many contradict scripture despite you saying they dont. One more thing, catholics assume that when the NT says "church". what makes them think the writer was referring to the catholic church, which wasnt around for another 400 yrs.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 4 ай бұрын
Ok if the Buble is "enough" which of the 500 disagreeing protestant groups are following only it and not their tradition? And the 400 year claim is historically false.
@peterzinya1
@peterzinya1 4 ай бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont I have nothing to do with protestant groups and dont know what they do. The Lord is my Shepherd, i shall not want. To the best of my knowledge, the CC formed in 350 and was officially launched in 400AD. Ive seen some devout catholics say jesus was catholic. Just depends on who you talk to.
@fantasia55
@fantasia55 10 ай бұрын
There are tens of thousands of Protestant denominations, not hundreds, because each non-denominational church is its own denomination.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 10 ай бұрын
A Protestant denomination is a group of church congregations of the same kind. Churches can be separate and individual but that would not make them a denomination.
@fantasia55
@fantasia55 10 ай бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont You’re taking the Protestant side on this issue.
@zhengfengyang
@zhengfengyang 2 жыл бұрын
Luther's approach to biblical interpretation cannot be separated from his convictions about the nature of Scripture and its place in the life of the church and the individual Christian. His renowned protest against the doctrine and practice of the Roman church arose, as he himself insisted, from his own submission to the teaching of the Scriptures. Faced with instructions to recant all that he had written to that point, Luther told the emperor, the Imperial Diet, and the representatives of the Vatican assembled in Worms in April 1521 that he was bound to the text of Scripture, which he considered to be the word of God: "Unless I am convinced by the testimony of the Scriptures or by evident reason -- for I can believe neither pope nor councils alone, as it is clear that they have erred repeatedly and contradicted themselves--I consider myself conquered by the Scriptures adduced by me, and my conscience is captive to the word of God." ---- Martin Luther
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Everything Luther complained about in his 95 theses were dealt with in his lifetime. What, then, are you still protesting? Only the fact that Rome does not submit to false Protestant doctrines - many of which Luther himself disagreed with (or would have had they not magically appeared "in the Bible" decades later).
@bobpiec
@bobpiec 2 жыл бұрын
But doesn't the Catholic Church Deny Gen. of god creating in 6 literal days. They do teach evolution.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
The Catholic Church does not teach evolution nor does it deny a six-literal-day creation. Rather (like the majority of Protestants), it sees that Genesis might not be literal and makes space for the various sciences to make a case for those things in their areas of expertise which are not contrary to the faith. So, for example, God could have used the Big Bang plus the process of Evolution to prepare a material body suitable for a human soul - but the soul could not have come from nature because each one is necessarily created by God. The Catholic is free to affirm either understanding of Genesis.
@davidstamburski9487
@davidstamburski9487 2 жыл бұрын
Lutherans believe that communion is the body and blood of Jesus, I also think anglicans do also. I guess they are in the minority most Protestants do not believe in the real presence. So you may want to correct your video on that point
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
Neither group believes that communion is the body and blood of Jesus. Lutheranism teaches that Jesus is present to ("in, with, and under") the communion elements - but they remain the same substance (hence, "con-substance"). Anglicanism teaches that Jesus "is given, taken, and eaten, in the Supper, only after an heavenly and spiritual manner."
@davidstamburski9487
@davidstamburski9487 2 жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont ok. I believe you're correct.
@wallamboklahong9125
@wallamboklahong9125 Жыл бұрын
Scripture alone had misled many Christian groups and lose of Souls, return to the True Church of Christ, not created by man, The Church of Christ is Catholic, the Holy Church of Christ is The Church of Fathers of Church of Christ.
@Justas399
@Justas399 Жыл бұрын
Can you give one example of a oral tradition of Paul that is not found in the Scriptures and how you know? BTW- we both know that your church has not infallibly nor officially interpreted most of the Scriptures. Luther was not the only one who believed in "alone". So did many catholics before him. There are all kinds of beliefs among catholics. And that is supposedly with an infallible pope and magisterium.
@ashlavanadis
@ashlavanadis Жыл бұрын
The thief on the cross took no sacrament. His faith alone saved him in the end. And he was a wretch up till that moment as far as we know. This is one of many instances of Christ confirming salvation by faith alone. You are miss reading the portions of the text regarding sacraments by isolating the verses out of their context. Works are an evidence of salvation that exists, not a requirement for salvation to be granted. Faith alone saves. We do not need intermediaries for confession, purgatory does not exist it’s heaven or Hell only, and the Bible is very clear that anyone that adds to the scripture is in sin.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Here's why that doesn't work: douglasbeaumont.com/2018/11/09/the-good-thief-and-salvation-by-faith-alone/
@LazarusVonoai-xr1yl
@LazarusVonoai-xr1yl 3 ай бұрын
There was no need for sacrament at that time as Jesus was there hanging with them.There was no need for any tangible sign to signify his presence.They were talking away with each other in person and the thief was healed in person.Faith is a gift of the holy spirit and to have faith is to believe without using the senses to establish spiritual truths.But choosing to believe without seeing etc, is an act of the will so You're actually doing work here, wether you like it or not! so you working for a reward of salvation by faith alone aren't you? "To will" is an act which is work.This should put us to rest!
@arthurcolwell1962
@arthurcolwell1962 2 жыл бұрын
To broad a criticism. . Council of Trent. .. Indulgences
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
??
@arthurcolwell1962
@arthurcolwell1962 Жыл бұрын
@po18guy if Jesus did not fully fulfill his mission then possibly. But you know he fully completed everything. And he alone can commute you sentence and forgive you and write your name in the book of life and cloth you in his righteousness and take you home with him
@zhengfengyang
@zhengfengyang 2 жыл бұрын
The protestant doctrine of the "Sola Scriptura" is not at all to say that the protestant view of the Bible is the right and the only right interpretation. Rather, this was and still is what Rome claims. Instead, it simply proclaims that the only and final authority of the saving grace and truth is not of Rome, but of the very Word of God, the Bible itself. It is not about who interpret the Bible right, although it is important, it is all about the final authority of celestial matter. The immediate backdrops of this doctrine was at time the Rome was under Leo X, who, by all account, was indulging himself in his luxury life with his artistic hobby - building St. Peter's basilica by issuing indulgence to the lay people, just to point out one reality, and did not care too much about spiritual life. So the real issue, when it comes to define Christian faith and Salvation, at Martin Luther's time, as well as today's, was and is, Who has the final celestial authority, Rome (Constantinople) or the Bible? Church Tradition (orthodox and protestant church tradition), or the Word of God?
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
This changes nothing. Scripture can be the final authority of celestial matter for everyone if everyone gets to decide what it means. Rome admits where it gets its authoritative dogmas from and Protestants don't. That was the point of the video.
@jamesstrohl2016
@jamesstrohl2016 Жыл бұрын
Actually you do contradict scripture. For instance, setting up the pope to be the head of the Church on Earth. Christ is the only head of the Church in Heaven or on Earth. The Catholic Church violates scripture on baptism as well. I do agree there are many denominations that violate James, as well as other scriptures. However, that is because they do not understand the Bible. Secondly, the Eucharist, or Communion, is where the Catholics completely misread John 6. One cannot say, righteously, that the scripture means what they want it to mean. It means what God says what it means, which is very evident in the Bible.
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
Show me the verse the Catholic Church contradicts, so far all you have done is expressed your own interpretations.
@jamesstrohl2016
@jamesstrohl2016 Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont The New Testament authorizes Baptism by immersion for part of the Plan of Salvation. The Catholic Church believes that the Pope is the Head of the Church on Earth. There are not any scriptures to support this. It is quite the opposite. Christ said He had all the authority on Earth and in Heaven, Matthew 28:18 Eph. 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. These are not opinions but facts. There is no other way to interpret them. These are two points that there is a contradiction in regard to the interpretation of Scripture to the Catholic Church. I'm sure if I dug a little bit more, I could find others. The question that can Catholics believe in Sola Scriptura? Absolutely they can, they just aren't Catholics anymore. Christ only authorized His Church and none other. Catholicism did not come into being until approximately 385AD under Theodosius 1.
@fantasia55
@fantasia55 10 ай бұрын
Church Fathers acknowledged the Catholic Church long before AD 385.
@jamesstrohl2016
@jamesstrohl2016 10 ай бұрын
@@fantasia55 Prove that sir.
@fantasia55
@fantasia55 10 ай бұрын
@@jamesstrohl2016 for example: "There is one God and one Christ, and one Church, and one chair founded on Peter by the word of the Lord. It is not possible to set up another altar or for there to be another priesthood besides that one altar and that one priesthood. Whoever has gathered elsewhere is scattering." ~ St. Cyprian of Carthage, A.D. 253
@Justas399
@Justas399 Жыл бұрын
Its the rejection of Sola Scriptura that leads to false doctrines and practices. It has led to the false doctrines of the claims of the papacy, Marian dogmas and purgatory for example. These doctrines contradict Scripture.
@RedWolf5
@RedWolf5 Жыл бұрын
Sola Scriptura is nowhere to be found in the Bible, is a totally made up doctrine that appeared suddenly in the 16th century. You also seem to forget that Christians had no Bible to read for over 400 years therefore Sola Scriptura would’ve been an impossibility for them, early Christianity was almost exclusively an oral tradition as the Bible clearly states. 2 Thessalonians 2 [14] Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the TRADITIONS which you have learned, whether by word, or by our letter. Everything in Catholicism is 100% biblically supported, Marian dogmas, purgatory, the establishment sacraments etc etc etc. because Catholicism is the true faith, the faith practiced by the earliest Christians and the only church established by Christ himself while on earth. 1 Tim 3:15 - church is “the pillar and foundation of the truth.” Peter, the first Pope, is named 195 times in the New Testament - more than all the other Apostles combined (combined they make it to 130x) Next closest apostle named is John who’s named 29x Mt 16:18 - on this rock (Peter) I will build my Church Mt 16:19 - I will give you the keys of the kingdom…whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven Lk 22:24-31 - apostles argue who’s the greatest Lk 22:32 - Peter’s faith will strengthen his brethren Lk 24:34 - Peter is first apostle to see resurrected Christ Jn 21:17 - Peter is Christ’s chief shepherd who “feeds the sheep” Mk 16:7 - angel sent to announce resurrection to Peter Acts 1:13-26 - Peter oversees election of Matthias Acts 2:14 - Peter preaches first apostolic sermon Acts 3:6-7 - Peter performs first apostolic miracle Acts 8:21 - Peter excommunicates first heretic Acts 10:44-46 - Peter baptizes first Gentile Acts 15:7 - Peter presides over first apostolic council - 1 Chro 28:2-4… David stood at the council Acts 15:19 - Peter pronounces first apostolic dogma Gal 1:18 - Paul visits Peter after his conversion Lk 22:29 - Jesus assigns the kingdom followed in context by Lk 22:24-25 Jesus singles out Peter from the rest of the apostles Acts 10 - the first gentile convert is specifically told to find Peter Matt 10:2 Peter not only listed first but he’s called protos = chief or principal Peter wasn’t first to follow Christ Andrew was but he’s put fist here because he’s the leader. Isaiah 22:22 - the keys of the house of David
@Justas399
@Justas399 Жыл бұрын
@@RedWolf5 Do you know what Sola Scriptura means? If so, please tell me. Can you give me one example of a tradition of Paul that is not found in the NT and how you know? You claim all catholic doctrines are 100% supported by Scripture. One of the claims is that Mary was immaculately conceived. Can you give me a verse that mentions her conception? No doubt Peter was one of the leaders in the NT. However, he never mentions in his letters that he is the chief shepherd of the church and the rock on which the church is built on. Nor do the apostles in their writings mention any of this. Here is another problem you have with the papacy: Roman Catholic scholar Richard P. McBrien concedes, “from the New Testament record alone, we have no basis for positing a line of succession from Peter through subsequent bishops of Rome” (Richard P. McBrien, Catholicism: Completely Revised& Updated, [HarperCollins, 1994], p. 753).
@RedWolf5
@RedWolf5 Жыл бұрын
@@Justas399 yes I’ll tell you. Sola Scriptura is a made up doctrine that Luther himself confessed he thought of while taking a poop, but not only that he confessed to have had many debates with the devil and to having excrement wars with him. He was a lunatic and was possessed by many demons. Protestantism is not from God, in the contrary is a luciferian doctrine and the work of satan. Apostolic Traditions must be looked into as a whole as the earliest Christian writings prove, including the didache etc etc please read: "In accordance with Apostolic faith delivered to us by tradition from the Fathers, I have delivered the tradition, without inventing anything extraneous to it. What I have learned, that I inscribed, comfortably with the Holy Scriptures." - St. Athanasius the Great The immaculate conception is an easy one, since you like to use Ephesians 1:5 (which actually debunks you) please go back to Ephesians 1:4 and remind me what ámomos means then put those two in context with Luke 1:28 then you’ll get your answer. Peter is the ONLY one who’s given the KEYS of the kingdom to bind and lose and the one commanded by Christ to feed his sheep. Matthew 16:17-19: And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For FLEASH and BLOOD has NOT revealed this to you, but MY FATHER who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and UPON this ROCK I will build MY CHURCH , and the gates of hell shall NOT prevail against it. I will give you THE KEYS of the KINGDOM of HEAVEN, and whatever you BIND on earth shall be BOUND in heaven, and whatever you LOOSE on earth shall be LOOSED in heaven.” John 21 [17] He said to him the third time: Simon, son of John, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved, because he had said to him the third time: Lovest thou me? And he said to him: Lord, thou knowest all things: thou knowest that I love thee. He said to him: Feed my sheep. Our Apostolic and Papal succession can be traced directly to Peter, that’s something your church cannot claim; this is a historical fact. Richard McBrien is not the Catholic Church so that proves nothing. Let me remind you that we don’t believe in Sola Scriptura because it isn’t biblical, therefore we don’t have to prove this to you from scripture because the Bible nowhere says we have to… do you understand what I just said??? Sola Scriptura is totally made up and with it alone is impossible to covert an atheist, for example due to the fact that Jesus must be proven to them from a historical stand outside the Bible. The church is full of infiltrated anti-Catholics that try to destroy and devalue the work of God from within this is not news for us, it has happen since the time of Jesus when Judas infiltrated our church and betrayed our high priest.
@Justas399
@Justas399 Жыл бұрын
@@RedWolf5 Ok. You don't know what Sola Scriptura means. Your ignorance of it is appalling. Sola Scriptura is the doctrine that the Scriptures ALONE are the inspired-inerrant Word of God. This means the Scriptures are the ultimate authority for the Christian and the Christian church. To reject this principle means that false doctrines and beliefs will follow. We see this with the Marian dogmas and teachings on Mary by the RCC. There is no record in Scripture of Mary's conception. If Mary is without sin, then so are all Christians. Where does Peter in his letters claim the church is built on him? Where do the apostles in their writings acknowledge him as such? If a doctrine is not grounded in Scripture (doctrines on the papacy and the Marian dogmas) then those doctrines are not biblical nor apostolic. They are the doctrines of fallible men. How was it possible for St Luther the lunatic to bring the catholic church to its knees?
@RedWolf5
@RedWolf5 Жыл бұрын
@@Justas399 “my ignorance is appalling” lol… please stop pretending you know what you are talking about! the Bible does NOT teach Sola Scriptura you silly goose! If anything the Bible teaches something like Sola Traditio. Please find me the passage where the Bible teaches SS! There isn’t one because is totally made up. 2 Thessalonians 2 [14] Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the TRADITIONS which you have learned, whether by word, or by our letter. 1 Corinthians 11 [2] Now I praise you, brethren, that in all things you are mindful of me: and keep the TRADITIONS as I have delivered them to you. Paul goes as far as saying this! 2 Thessalonians 3 [6] And we charge you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw yourselves from every brother walking disorderly, and not according to the TRADITION which they have received of us. You belong to the disorderly brethren St. Paul warned us about and you are one of the THIEVES and ROBBERS St Iraneaus told us would come calling themselves Christians, YOU are NOT are Christian, isn’t that sad??? THIEVES and ROBBERS Saint Irenaeus (died A.D. 202): "[The Church] is the entrance to life; all others are thieves and robbers. On this account we are bound to avoid them... We hear it declared of the unbelieving and the blinded of this world that they shall not inherit the world of life which is to come... Resist them in defense of the only true and life giving faith, which the Church has received from the Apostles and imparted to her sons." (Against Heresies, Book III) Mary is without sin because she’s the New Eve you silly goose! The New Ark and the temple where God dwelled, you obviously don’t know what you are talking about, PLEASE stop PRETENDING! I repeat Peter does not have to claim anything because is Christ who did for him: Matthew 16:17-19: And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For FLESH and BLOOD has NOT revealed this to you, but MY FATHER who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and UPON this ROCK I will build MY CHURCH , and the gates of hell shall NOT prevail against it. I will give you THE KEYS of the KINGDOM of HEAVEN, and whatever you BIND on earth shall be BOUND in heaven, and whatever you LOOSE on earth shall be LOOSED in heaven.” CHURCH AUTHORITY Acts 2:42 - doctrine, community, sacred rite (bread) Eph 5:25-26 - Christ loves the Church 1 Tim 3:15 - church is “the pillar and foundation of the truth.” Mt 16:18; 20:20 - Christ protects Church Heb 13:17 - “obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls” Acts 15:23 - The apostles chose these men to be leaders Mt 18:17-18 - church as final authority Mt 23:2 - Pharisees succeeded Moses (seat of Moses) 1 Cor 5:5; 1 Tim 1:20 - Church has power of excommunication Matt 16:19 - Peter gets the keys of heaven 2 Thessalonians 2:14 - Hold TRADITION Luke 22:31-32 Peter primacy Jn 21:15-17 Peter in charged of the flock 1 Cor 1:10 Unity in the church all agree Eph 4:3 Keep effort for unity of the spirit Phil 2:2 Keep unity Jn 17:20-25 Jesus prays unity from cross Luke 11:17-18 Kingdom divided is waste Col 1:24 The church the body of Christ Jn 16:13-15 ~ Filioque Rev 22:1-2 ~ Filioque proven PETER & PAPACY Peter, the first Pope, is named 195 times in the New Testament - more than all the other Apostles combined (combined they make it to 130x) Next closest apostle named is John who’s named 29x Mt 16:18 - on this rock (Peter) I will build my Church Mt 16:19 - I will give you the keys of the kingdom…whatever you bind on earth is bound in heaven Lk 22:24-31 - apostles argue who’s the greatest Lk 22:32 - Peter’s faith will strengthen his brethren Lk 24:34 - Peter is first apostle to see resurrected Christ Jn 21:17 - Peter is Christ’s chief shepherd who “feeds the sheep” Mk 16:7 - angel sent to announce resurrection to Peter Acts 1:13-26 - Peter oversees election of Matthias Acts 2:14 - Peter preaches first apostolic sermon Acts 3:6-7 - Peter performs first apostolic miracle Acts 8:21 - Peter excommunicates first heretic Acts 10:44-46 - Peter baptizes first Gentile Acts 15:7 - Peter presides over first apostolic council - 1 Chro 28:2-4… David stood at the council Acts 15:19 - Peter pronounces first apostolic dogma Gal 1:18 - Paul visits Peter after his conversion Lk 22:29 - Jesus assigns the kingdom followed in context by Lk 22:24-25 Jesus singles out Peter from the rest of the apostles Acts 10 - the first gentile convert is specifically told to find Peter Matt 10:2 Peter not only listed first but he’s called protos = chief or principal Peter wasn’t first to follow Christ Andrew was but he’s put fist here because he’s the leader. Isaiah 22:22 - the keys of the house of David
@tonenovak9435
@tonenovak9435 2 жыл бұрын
Here is evidence that the catholic church is not from God. -Contradicts the bible: -Purgatory is not mentioned once and was made up much later than the bible was written. In fact Paul knew nothing of an intermediate place: 2 Cor 5: “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” -Mary didn’t remain a virgin after having Jesus: Mathew 1: Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Also Jesus had brothers like James and Jude. -Peter was married: “And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.” -The celibate is not biblical: “A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;” in fact even more: I Tim 4 says that forbidding to marry is a doctrine of devils. -Confession is not biblical: 1 tim 2For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; -Praying to angles, praying to and for dead saints. Not only that this is not mentioned once in the bible, but its expressly forbidden as necromancy in the torah. Its really quite transparent, people would give entire fields for the church to do a mass for their dead relatives not to mention indulgences. And please dont stick kenneth copeland with the rest of us, he is just a plain prosperety gospel heretic. Best regards. God bless
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont 2 жыл бұрын
First, thank you for interacting with the content of the video! Second, I think you're off to a good start, but none of these examples really work. -Purgatory is not mentioned once and was made up much later than the bible was written. In fact Paul knew nothing of an intermediate place: 2 Cor 5: “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.” It cannot contradict the Bible if it is not mentioned, and the verse you cite only says what someone "wills" - well of courase they do, that doesn't mean it will happen or when or after what. -Mary didn’t remain a virgin after having Jesus: Mathew 1: Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS. Also Jesus had brothers like James and Jude. Nope, not a contradiction either. There is a lack of distinct terms for relatives in the Hebrew and Aramaic, and the usage of the Greek "adelphos" ("brother") to signify all of these relations in the NT which is then carried over into the English. It's a translation issue, not a factual issue. Further, other Gospel passages seem to clarify these relationships. James and Joses were the sons of Mary of Clophas (Mk 15:40). Judas was the son of James (not either of the Apostles) (Lk 6:16). James the Lesser was the son of Alphaeus (Lk 6:15). James the Greater and John were the sons of Zebedee with a mother other than the Virgin Mary (Mt 20:20). Side Note: The ancient Church has always held to Mary's perpetual virginity, do you really think the Church that defined the biblical canon and the trinity and Christ's incarnation was that dumb? -Peter was married: “And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.” So? -The celibate is not biblical: “A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;” in fact even more: I Tim 4 says that forbidding to marry is a doctrine of devils. As many Protestants have noted, this qualification is not to BE married (and how many Protestants actually require their leaders to be married, have multiple children, etc. - none.) The greek indicates this as a character trait - that of being a "one-woman" man. The Church does not forbid marriage, it requires that certain offices remain single. As to contradicting Scripture I can play the same game against Protestants: "“If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is not expedient to marry.” - The Disciples (Mt. 19:10) "I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am." - St. Paul (1 Cor. 7:7-8) -Confession is not biblical: 1 tim 2For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Oh wow LOL. You're making this easy: “Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” (Jn. 20:23) "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." (Mt. 18:17-18) "confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed." (James 5:16) -Praying to angles, praying to and for dead saints. Not only that this is not mentioned once in the bible, but its expressly forbidden as necromancy in the torah. Its really quite transparent, people would give entire fields for the church to do a mass for their dead relatives not to mention indulgences. Not mentioned = no contradiction. Praying to God via the saints is not necromancy. (And BTW - are they really dead? See Luke 20:38). Oh and as far as Copeland, LOL - OK I admit that was low, but he's Protestant and quotes the Bible, like, all the time, so.... ;)
@davidszaraz4605
@davidszaraz4605 2 жыл бұрын
Great preperation doctor. I would also add that the first reformers believed in doctrines like the perpetual virginity of Mary, like Calvin did. Yet Calvin held to Sola Scriptura, very interesting.
@seanthompson5077
@seanthompson5077 2 жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont In regards to purgatory, don’t forget Mathew 5:26 “You shall not get out until you pay the last penny.” However, purgatory is one of the those topics I don’t give much attention to.
@wjm5972
@wjm5972 Жыл бұрын
@@DouglasBeaumont prayers for the dead , a long time jewish practice is found in 2nd maccabees
@johnlong8037
@johnlong8037 Жыл бұрын
DO YOU DO DEBATES ...YOU SEEM VERY GIFTED TO DEFEND GOD'S CHURCH... VERY GOOD VIDEO...THANK YOU...
@DouglasBeaumont
@DouglasBeaumont Жыл бұрын
I have but I don't find most of the formats helpful to either side.
@0135172990
@0135172990 Жыл бұрын
A good philosophical inquiry on Sola Scriptural, Sola Scriptura will fail miserably because, the queen of theology will ask which comes first : The Church or The Bible? 1 Timothy 3:15 reveals the verdict.
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