WHY 'GAME IMPROVEMENT' IRONS CAN HURT YOU - 10 Handicap Iron Custom Fitting Session

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Elite Performance Golf Studios

Elite Performance Golf Studios

7 ай бұрын

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In this video we take Alex, a 10 handicapper, through an iron fitting to see if we can help him sneak down into those single figures.
Testing irons such as the new Callaway Apex Pro, Titleist T150, Mizuno Pro 223 and Taylormade P770.
But which will come out on top??

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@hanshuhta8007
@hanshuhta8007 5 ай бұрын
What a great example of a professional fitter . An example for all to follow
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 5 ай бұрын
Thanks 🙌🙌🙌
@parmanduke
@parmanduke 27 күн бұрын
I feel in love with the forgiveness and high ball flight of Ping irons some 5 years ago. Never really realized that the precision of my iron game was gone. Rented a set of players forged irons while on vacation and my old iron game was back. Pings out Mizuno JPX forged in.
@adrianjackman9422
@adrianjackman9422 7 ай бұрын
Just found this channel really interesting. Amazed how differently "similar" heads perform.
@ariesclaw8623
@ariesclaw8623 5 ай бұрын
Just subscribed - love watching your fitting sessions. Never had the confidence to go myself, so really interesting to see how it all works
@AGClassicCarTuning
@AGClassicCarTuning 7 ай бұрын
Really enjoyed the video, especially the honesty contained within the closing comments in light of how expensive golf equipment can be these days. That alone would make me come to you guys for a fitting in that it clearly wasn't a fitting session followed by a pressure to complete a sale.
@gooseGoose-et1wl
@gooseGoose-et1wl 7 ай бұрын
I know were I will be getting fit for my next Driver/Iron set ...superb and thorough fitting session !!!!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Goose and look forward to it 👌👍
@patrickbeach5915
@patrickbeach5915 7 ай бұрын
New subscriber alert!!!..love how its max 4 shots and take it out if not working...always best to keep their confidence!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Patrick we appreciate it. And yes it's generally pretty apparent if a set up isn't clicking well so 4/5 shots is all that's needed to give it a good go but realise it's just not clicking 👌
@jamesrobinson7458
@jamesrobinson7458 6 ай бұрын
Great fitting session.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 6 ай бұрын
Thanks James 🙏👍
@dicksonlam69
@dicksonlam69 3 ай бұрын
love your professionalism
@brandon8217
@brandon8217 11 күн бұрын
Such a great watch. You are awesome for supporting him in buying pre-owned as well.
@SilkyWayFPV
@SilkyWayFPV 6 ай бұрын
t150 are great. Just got them fitted aswell. I have T150 from 48-6i and t200 5i and 4i. Love that combination. I play around Hdcp 10 aswell
@edwardbrown6245
@edwardbrown6245 7 ай бұрын
Love the Callaway pro ..very nice to hit
@willfieldiii7150
@willfieldiii7150 2 ай бұрын
Great video.
@bsmith4u2
@bsmith4u2 14 күн бұрын
Thank you for this video. You are a very good fitter and I enjoy these videos. I recently gave up my Miz JPX 923 HM after only a year or so. Back to a more of a cavity back players irons to get my game back. I'm on Srixon ZX5/7 blended set at the 6/7 iron and love them.
@SeaBearBear
@SeaBearBear 7 ай бұрын
Cool fitting!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks SeaBear!
@jarhead767
@jarhead767 7 ай бұрын
Cool video, good work by the fitter for sure. Reminds me of my session a couple of years ago. I wanted the ZX5 really bad but could not deny the numbers i was putting up with the Apex 21s so I went with those. My goal for 2024 is to get back to single digit (12 hcp currently) and so I need my dispersion to tighten up. Seems like the Elevate 95s are a tad too light for me so i look forward to going back to the fitter and see if a different shaft in a 105g may yield better results. Love this game!
@ducatidad8231
@ducatidad8231 6 ай бұрын
So much better than the fitting I had for mine. 👍
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 6 ай бұрын
Sorry to hear that! And I hope your next fitting is better 🙌
@russellmills2044
@russellmills2044 6 ай бұрын
Good vid!
@Grunt21Tennessee
@Grunt21Tennessee 7 ай бұрын
Great video!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Grunt 👍
@reecejamesg
@reecejamesg 2 ай бұрын
Just subscribed, I went into my local shop for a fitting on Saturday and I really liked the look of the p790s but just couldn’t hit them well enough, I hadn’t ever looked or even really heard of the callaway apex but like this gentleman here I felt like I couldn’t miss with them so purchased them! Look forward to them arriving. Great video keep it up.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Reece! Appreciate the support 🙌 glad you went for a fitting and I'm glad it helped, hopefully the new clubs go well 🙌
@chucksmerdon6256
@chucksmerdon6256 7 ай бұрын
Love the way you go about your fittings. Very patient and relaxed environment. I was a p770 guy and recently changed to the new PXG 0317T. Better feel, more efficient, and a bit longer. I was very surprised.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Chuck! And that's good you found something that works better for you, that's what it's all about 👌
@chucksmerdon6256
@chucksmerdon6256 7 ай бұрын
I was actually playing a combo w P7MCs for 7 thru PW. The 770s were 4 thru 6. During the fitting I wanted solid heads but the P7MCs were too difficult for me. Tried T150s, 0317CB, and ZX7s which were really nice too. But the fitter suggested I try the 0317Ts. Not a solid head like I wanted, but felt like a solid head. They are new but I'm always interested to see how other people test and how different clubs compare. Thanks for the reply.
@clakerdrs
@clakerdrs 7 ай бұрын
I just went from 790’s to PXG 0317T. A bit shorter but better accuracy.
@adrianbullaoit1866
@adrianbullaoit1866 7 ай бұрын
Awesome video. It felt like he really wanted the titleist irons to be the one even though you could tell the apex pro was probably the one. I was recently fit and had similar numbers with the t200 and t150 and even though I could have made the t150s work, the ease of hitting the t200s made them the obvious choice as it was.
@davidp1152
@davidp1152 7 ай бұрын
Great fitting, great video, you are not that far from me either, I think I’ve found where I’m going to when I next upgrade!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot David 🙏 and that's brilliant! We look forward to seeing you in the studio at some point 👍
@sowhat5939
@sowhat5939 5 ай бұрын
these are great videos thank you
@si777
@si777 7 ай бұрын
I felt he wanted to edge for the T150's but then soon realised the Apex's just worked so well for him on his miss hits, I probably should get myself in for a fit sometime soon, Using the good old stealth irons and went from a 13hc to a 7.7hc this season, I really like my irons the only thing I do hate is I do tend to miss a lot left.
@MrICURNVS
@MrICURNVS 4 ай бұрын
I really like these fitting vids. I recently did a titleist fitting. I really wanted to like the t200 irons. Found a good shaft when I flushed it.. all the numbers were great But slight off center hits I was losing 10-15 yards consistently. That was way too much distance gap. Was a great fitting and the pro was super helpful like your self. Sadly the worst experience fitting I had was with a pxg guy who seemed bored as hell. But the Gen5 p irons were bang on compared to everything I hit. Not to mention quite a bit less during the holidays.
@CKGolfer
@CKGolfer 2 ай бұрын
The level of time and care you are taking is awesome. I cannot find that anywhere in my area. And I have access to the PGA Superstore, Edwin Watts, Club Champion, Golf Tec and Tru Spec. Kudos to you.
@nikmc7539
@nikmc7539 7 ай бұрын
Great fitting bro!!! Love the Apex Pro. Been finding combo 200-350 is a great set-up
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Nik 👍
@FIGHTON13
@FIGHTON13 4 ай бұрын
good video. I just got fitted. Pretty much tried the same clubs. But I hit the apex and ping i230 the best. Went with a combo set of the apex pro but with a 130-gram shaft. On the 115 I felt like I tried to slow the swing down. Average speed was 85 (115g) but with the 130g I went up to 88 mph. average carry with 7 iron apex pro was 178. 8-PW I went with the apex mb. Love this combo set. They're pricey.
@davideallett4819
@davideallett4819 7 ай бұрын
Very intuitive vlog! I’m due for a refit soon. Had my clubs 5 years now Ping i200 looking for a bit more feel. Especially when it comes to pitch and chipping!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Yeah Ping irons never were really renowned for the best feel. But perform well. What have you got your eyes on?
@leemurphy3442
@leemurphy3442 7 ай бұрын
Love the videos Ross especially the fitting videos with customers 👍, can’t wait to come down and have a fitting session myself, booked in for the middle of Jan and can’t wait, keep Up the great work mate 🏌️‍♂️
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Lee, appreciate the comment! And look forward to seeing you in Jan 👌👍
@kev12558
@kev12558 5 ай бұрын
I’m a 14 handicapper who has been anywhere between 12 & 16 in a calendar year 2023. Shows you what WHS does. Bonkers system that doesn’t allow for the average 20 mph winds at our links club. First hole si11 par 3 174 yards. In the morning 3 wood comes up short, 4 hours later, wind switch 7 iron goes out the back! 😂😂
@mufc778
@mufc778 7 ай бұрын
great watch more of this please
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks mufc
@CamMacMastermusic
@CamMacMastermusic 7 ай бұрын
I’m a New Subscriber, A 👍🏻ker, A 🔔 ringer, and A 💯% commenter. Great video ! Really enjoyed it.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Cam! Even though im not sure what half of that says 🤣🤣
@RajeevHanabe
@RajeevHanabe 7 ай бұрын
Watching this now. This fitting session is pretty identical to the one I had with Ross a couple of weeks ago. Just that my ball striking was not as good 😂 being a 15 handicapper. The irons fitting session I had was excellent as well and helped me make the right decisions for my next set of irons and goal setting.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Hey Raj! Yeah my process is always somewhat the same, lots of testing! 😂 Thanks for the comment and glad you enjoyed the fitting with me 👍👍
@jgdbb30004
@jgdbb30004 24 күн бұрын
What did you end up going with?
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 24 күн бұрын
We fitted Rajeev for a set of T150s but he didn't purchase them so I'm not sure if he did decide to purchase them and got them elsewhere and is gaming them, or possibly decided to stick with his original irons for a little bit longer possibly and may change when he gets down a little bit lower
@RajeevHanabe
@RajeevHanabe 24 күн бұрын
@@jgdbb30004 Since I wasn't comfortable with investing in a new set of clubs after this fitting session, I bought a used set made up of T200 (5 and 6) and T100s (7-PW). AMT Red shafts. Iam very happy with the set and my game is improving. Once my overall technique improves, I'll probably have another session with Ross and see what to do next.
@RajeevHanabe
@RajeevHanabe 24 күн бұрын
The reason I did not buy a new set from Ross is because I wanted to rectify some of the fundamental aspects of my swing first and get comfortable with the irons before setting with a new set.
@gcoffey223
@gcoffey223 5 ай бұрын
Over 10 years ago I got some super game improvers, Cleveland HB3's. I didn't need them then, and I often have felt it hurt. Looking forwatd to getting back home and getting my SRIXONS mixed set.
@bards7443
@bards7443 4 ай бұрын
old mate so wanted you in to the apex :)
@michaelrood2751
@michaelrood2751 7 ай бұрын
Great fitting!!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Michael 👍
@Johndct1
@Johndct1 7 ай бұрын
@CamMacMaster I also tend to agree. I am good with my irons, fair with my driver, but was absolutely terrible with my 3 wood except off the tee. I also struggled with my 4 hybrid. I recently was lucky enough to talk to a very knowledgeable salesman at my local golf shop, and he recommended the King tec 21 deg 4 hybrid adjusted to 22.5 and a Ping SFT G430 16 deg 3 wood adjusted to 17.5, and it helped tremendously. But no fitter had ever mentioned that and I didn’t even know it was possible. I also believe that all this talk about high handicap is misleading because you can be very good with your driver and irons, but if you can’t get it on the green and in the hole you will still have a high handicap. I believe fittings to be essential but most amateur golfes would probably benefit more from proper lessons and knowing what to work on.
@davidwilliams5358
@davidwilliams5358 4 ай бұрын
Another great fitting video. I have watched a lot of your content and always find it unbiased and very informative. I will definitely be booking myself in for a fitting with you. I understand why there was no Srixon ZX7 tested but why no Cobra King Tour? It has had some great reviews and sits in the 32 degree loft region.
@tomasjalowiecki8911
@tomasjalowiecki8911 7 ай бұрын
Interesting watching this as ive just been through a similar process myself. Trying the same clubs over a couple of sessions to minimise the influence of swing fatigue during the process. With my pro, and GC Quad, i tested various combinations of club head and shaft. I loved the look of the Ping i525 but they performed no better than my current Stealth irons, even though i was hitting them sweet as. I tried Titleist T150 and T200s, but saw negligible improvement. I tried Callaway Apex and hit them well but similar negligible benefit observed......and then got my hands on Paradym. Ridiculously tight dispersion, and a minimum of fifteen yards gained (longest was +32yds) overvthe two sessions. I then took my current 7 iron and a couple of those clubs to the range and repeated the process in a more 'real world' scenario. The results on both the Toptracer and Trackman ranges were consistent with each other and the GC Quad data. Paradym was hands down the best club for me. Moral of the story: trust the data rather than the fitter unless you know your fitter and trust them, and hit plenty of balls before settling on a decision.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Hey Tomas, sounds like a great process you went through to find a very good result, which is brilliant to hear. With the Paradym obviously being strong lofted irons as long as the peak height and angle of descent numbers are optimal, and the gapping all the way throughout is good then that's brilliant. Those are the 2 biggest issues I find with strong lofted sets, but as long as they do fit your delivery and speed you should be fine. I hope they go well for you and help you improve your scores 👌👍
@tomasjalowiecki8911
@tomasjalowiecki8911 7 ай бұрын
Having done a bit of reading around, I knew the Paradym irons had stronger lofts than my stealth irons so expected some additional carry. I was surprised to see that the paradyms whilst giving me more carry also stopped as quick as the irons I was hitting twenty yards less. The numbers for the different clubs just left the paradyms as head and shoulders the best suited for me.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
@@tomasjalowiecki8911 brilliant stuff 👍
@krusher74
@krusher74 6 ай бұрын
I dont see how you came to that Moral? where did your fitter do anything not to be trusted?
@tomasjalowiecki8911
@tomasjalowiecki8911 6 ай бұрын
@@krusher74in my case my fitter didn't as I've been working with him for a long time and he has helped me develop to the point where my clubs were no longer optimal. As we've been working together I've learned what affects the data and how. Other folk might not, and might simply follow the fitters recommendation without being able to evaluate the data themselves.
@PNW_Sportbike_Life
@PNW_Sportbike_Life 4 ай бұрын
I am a 16 HCP and was thinking I was going towards the G430 Irons. I tried them and hated them. Ended up going with the i230s, and what a good decision that was!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 4 ай бұрын
🙌🙌🙌🙌
@lastuberman
@lastuberman 4 ай бұрын
I'm a 6 handicap and have G400 and I200 irons and played both. The G400s are in my bag. The I200s are nice but a little too challenging in the longer irons and don't offer any advantage to me in the shorter irons.
@PNW_Sportbike_Life
@PNW_Sportbike_Life 3 ай бұрын
@@lastubermanI play 4-U, and I also rock a icrossover 2i. the 4 and the icrossover are very forgiving I find. The 230s just look sexy as well. I'd give them a try! What do you play then if not the 200s?
@PNW_Sportbike_Life
@PNW_Sportbike_Life 3 ай бұрын
@@epgolfstudiosthe 430 irons are way too chucky. I like a slimmer topline and less offset. I'll be single digit this year if my elbow cooperates. May have to have surgery:(
@lastuberman
@lastuberman 3 ай бұрын
@@PNW_Sportbike_Life I play my G400 irons. Love them. Swing speed is too slow these days for a 2i.
@jamesenewold8864
@jamesenewold8864 4 ай бұрын
I guarantee you there is not a single professional golfer that you could offer a club to hit, that they would say, "hey, i havent been fitted for that yet". Tiger used to flex by hitting old resin woods at 50+ yardage in his range sessions and just watching faces drop.
@mikeelium3044
@mikeelium3044 6 ай бұрын
Pushing the apex from first swing!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 6 ай бұрын
This is a very condensed video. I was advising the apex and there was a clear reason for that 😂
@CamMacMastermusic
@CamMacMastermusic 7 ай бұрын
IMO..A fitting should be broke down into 6 categories. Putting, short game, long irons, short irons, fairway woods/hybrids, and driver. I don’t think it’s fair to fit people according to their handicap. You can have a 20 handicap player who is absolutely deadly with their irons, but terrible with the driver, but excellent with putting and terrible with wedges. Therefore, they should be fit according to how they strike each individual club. Which means he could have a very forgiving driver, but be playing with a set of bladed irons, cavity back wedges, blade putter. Just saying.
@roadtoscratchgolf3481
@roadtoscratchgolf3481 7 ай бұрын
Totally agree with you. Fits should be broken down into these categories. Cheers
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely agree, great comment 👏
@nikmc7539
@nikmc7539 7 ай бұрын
I’d love a customer that’d want to spend 8 hours getting fit into every section of the bag. Personally, I haven’t met many golfers who WANT or can afford that type of fitting
@michaelrood2751
@michaelrood2751 7 ай бұрын
I’ve never seen a 20 cap who is deadly with their irons and a great putter
@joelane2845
@joelane2845 7 ай бұрын
@@nikmc7539You would need to be young and in great shape!!
@ryanjhubbell
@ryanjhubbell 7 ай бұрын
I think this was a product of sole design. He is relatively steep given his swing speed so the higher bounce of the apex pro made for better turf interaction compared to the lower bounce titleist.
@StuMarston
@StuMarston 6 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same. His Ping irons had lots of bounce. I don't know why they didn't just increase the lie angle on them. I think that might have worked for him.
@symboh6492
@symboh6492 Ай бұрын
Makes sense, I ended up with t100's at a recent fit as I've a fairly flat swing and the lower bounce was actually providing more forgiveness.
@mikestrauser2944
@mikestrauser2944 5 ай бұрын
I own the p790s and I’m astonished with there performance I hit shots off the toe and there still down the center with great grouping I love these clubs Taylor made you should allow me to test clubs and I can give my honest opinions
@slickrick2470
@slickrick2470 5 ай бұрын
But they feel awful…
@kennethdias9988
@kennethdias9988 7 ай бұрын
Pros are using mixed sets now , forged blades and cavity backed in the bag at the same time.
@PhotoDude801
@PhotoDude801 6 ай бұрын
At the beginning of the video you seemed a bit concerned about his club face being a little too toe down. Looks like that was evident throughout the video with all heads. I was just wondering why you didn't address this. The Apex Pros were clearly the head for him. Thanks for sharing. I love these kinds of videos. Cheers!
@dougnbodie
@dougnbodie 4 ай бұрын
I have paid to be fitted 3 times, twice at Roger Dunn and once at PGA. Roger Dunn sells a ton of used clubs, and now I know why as their fitting was rushed and just wrong. PGA was pretty good but only offered 3 shafts...I'll go custom next time and pay the extra.
@GoranMarkov
@GoranMarkov 6 ай бұрын
Interesting to see that with the apex his swing changed from "out to in " to "in to out" not every but specially in the last set
@S.forbes
@S.forbes 7 ай бұрын
Great fitting. Good choice with the Apex pro. A question i have is, from the fitting video's ive seen (which is alot 😅😅) some fitters tend to find the best shaft first then test the heads with the same shaft. Any reason you test different shafts with different heads. Not a criticism just something I've noticed with your fitting method. 👍🏾
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
I just find you can test more variables before the player gets tired to help dial it in. Plus I know 90% of the time any head I give them will pretty much get the Performance I want so really I'm testing out shafts, and hopefully one combo will click like it did with the Apex Pro and it makes things a lot easier. If not we choose a head and then dial a shaft. Head gives the numbers. Shaft is just feel and timing so imo better to do head first anyway.
@patrickbeach5915
@patrickbeach5915 7 ай бұрын
Amd please please please keep putting the swingweight in here... so crucial to feel that gets lost in videos all over the internet
@MichaelSmittySmithScottsdaleAz
@MichaelSmittySmithScottsdaleAz 7 ай бұрын
Just a note. Have your editor keep the club setup on the screen in corner so we can follow the set up. Good Video
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
I am the editor, hence why nothing that amazing happens in the editing 🤣🤣 but thanks for the suggestion I'll have a see what I can do
@MichaelSmittySmithScottsdaleAz
@MichaelSmittySmithScottsdaleAz 7 ай бұрын
​@epgolfstudios I do a lot of my edits too. Maybe just split into chapters with the title the setup. Its easy to add the text or captions.
@nateyc1
@nateyc1 7 ай бұрын
What is the background music playing? Love it and the in depth fitting.
@SmoothELands
@SmoothELands 4 ай бұрын
This is great! I feel like--especially as I've added speed--that my Mizuno HMP are almost "too hot" if that's a thing? If i close the face even slightly too much, it pulls, spin drops, and it flies 30 yards further. For this fitting, and people who should maybe switch to more of a player's irons, is it mainly the head design, or is it the weaker lofts that lead to more spin and control?
@golfnut6129
@golfnut6129 7 ай бұрын
Great service, as ever ⛳️🏌🏻
@nicholasng319
@nicholasng319 7 ай бұрын
Choose a head that you like in terms of the feel and aesthetic features. Swing weight adjustments should be implemented after settling on the right shaft to zero in on direction of the ball flight. Clubs can be custom built to any balance. There is no need to take the shafts as it is.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
The head is pretty much the most important part when it comes to numbers (launch and spin) so in general picking a head that you like the look of is not very good advice. And yes you're correct they can be but from testing other swingweights throughout the test and how this one performed I was very happy with the balance of the swingweight that we had 👌
@fiveinmidfield
@fiveinmidfield 7 ай бұрын
Great video! I would like to purchase my next set of irons and they have to be fitted... what's your view on getting a fitting when not playing and practicing much at that moment in time? Worth waiting until the spring?
@ericbradner6986
@ericbradner6986 7 ай бұрын
Really good video and great outcome for him! I was a little surprised the i230s didn’t work their way into the mix - what kinds of players have you seen them working well for?
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Eric 🙏 well we don't do Ping so that was never going to happen 😂😂 we did chat to them when we originally opened but couldn't come to an agreement on terms to open an account. They basically wanted to turn us into a pro shop and tried getting us to buy loads of stock, which for a company that pushes custom fitting is super hypocritical, and never what we wanted to be. We have emailed them a couple times recently but they are not responding to us 🤷
@ericbradner6986
@ericbradner6986 7 ай бұрын
@@epgolfstudios Oh man, that's a bummer! Totally understandable from you all's end -- but I wish Ping would approach things differently.0 I've found that Ping has slowly taken over my bag this last couple of years. I don't have any particular brand loyalty, but just found that the i230s were perfect for me first (the option of installing a heavier toe weight was a huge benefit) ... and then the G430 Max 3 wood in the flat-minus setting proved to be an awesome anti-hook set-up that's super easy to hit off the deck ... and then the iCrossover wound up being a great 4 iron replacement. Their flat and open adjustable hosel settings are just terrific for somebody like me who's always fighting a hook. (Credit to Titleist too in this regard! Their flat, minus 0.75 degree setting is also great for me.) Ping is making great stuff right now, but it's a shame their approach is making it tough for channels like you all to show it off and include it in fitting scenarios like this one and the other tests you all do. Fingers crossed they'll rethink that and get back to you all soon. And thanks for taking the time to reply to me!
@vicpnut1
@vicpnut1 7 ай бұрын
Man ..when at around 1:30 -2:00 min mark were pushing it right ,i would love to have that consistent miss..i understand as a high handicapper because i dont play a lot and practice little is half the reason why i have all sorts of misses..but my point is during a round ill go from missing left ,left hook, to pushing right snap slice ,to thinning with either left or right movement to chunking it shank ….if i could keep just one fault ,like that , i could just adjust set up or any other small adjustment mid round and be very very happy with my round…….
@Alan-75
@Alan-75 6 ай бұрын
Id love mizuno 223 in 3-5 iron and 221 in 6 pw to replace my mp30s as they are looking old.
@Devlins10
@Devlins10 7 ай бұрын
I juat got my stix 5-pw. Hoping they are a good fit out of the box. Wish me luck lol
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Good luck 🤞👍 what did you go for?
@Devlins10
@Devlins10 7 ай бұрын
@epgolfstudios went with the silver. The 22 series.They look sleek for sure. The price was too good lol. Black Friday sale. 🙂. Was time to upgrade from my x18s. The stix have a wider sole , smaller head though in comparison, and way sleeker looking. The x18s look pretty bulky in comparison. And heavier. I think the stix are sneaky good at not looking like a game improvement iron.
@jferkin8339
@jferkin8339 4 ай бұрын
the odd face impact...would love to (chasing a theory) understand if you have LED lights, and if they are flicker free LED's the frequency they flicker (if not flicker free) can be off when the Quad is trying to see the ball, and as such, the visual at time of impact might be black, and yet the numbers still catch...and data accuracy is golden...just chasing theory...
@alexshearer3227
@alexshearer3227 7 ай бұрын
Little surprised not to see anything in the Elevate line- even Elevate Tour or an AMT Red. No Modus 105 either as I recall. Also would have expected a little more forgiving head like the T200 or Mizuno 923 forged
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
We get the numbers through the head not the shaft, then the shaft is all about dialling strike which we definitely found with the IO 👌 and we were moving away from the stronger lofted irons, that was pretty much the whole point of the fit and why it will benefit Alex. Plus none of the irons featured in this video are less forgiving than the irons you mention 👍 it's all about the right performance, forgiveness is a great marketing tool.
@alexshearer3227
@alexshearer3227 7 ай бұрын
@@epgolfstudios thx for the response. Agree the IO did the job for strike and dispersion. Those heads (T150 and Apex pro) seem pretty small for 10+ handicappers. Shaft has to play a factor in spin/ height/landing angle tho or why would they have the Elevate line? I see a lot of fitters that are more than happy with 7i spinning at 5500 as long as landing angle is above 45.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
@@alexshearer3227 the 150 is on the smaller side but honestly as forgiving as anything else, the apex pro is basically the same size as T200/P790. Shafts play virtually no part in launch and spin, trust me I've literally tested this hundred upon hundreds of times 😂 and I've got a few videos on my channel to show this 👌
@R1koe2840
@R1koe2840 Ай бұрын
Interesting
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios Ай бұрын
?
@desrobertson9803
@desrobertson9803 6 ай бұрын
hi before i look at booking do you have long irons as well 4/5 iron in the heads?
@rayyou7032
@rayyou7032 7 ай бұрын
Interesting,you liked the lower spinning apex 7 iron compared to the higher spinning Mizuno, 770 heads.Yes they were shorter but the spin I feel was much better.5000-5500 spin on a 7 iron is a Lil low.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
They were spinning more because the strikes were worse. Even if they were being struck better mid 5s is fine as on course that would be close to 6,000. 6,500 would be serving no purpose apart from losing distance. We had enough control and land angle with the Apex Pro, plus more distance plus better consistent strikes. All round better 👍
@peterhammer4644
@peterhammer4644 7 ай бұрын
with his 80-85 mpg club speed the 5000 is more than enough from a mat.
@johnniejay
@johnniejay 6 ай бұрын
I'm an 8 handicap, bought the Cleveland XL Halo hybrid irons last year, looking for more forgiveness. Big mistake. I lost 20 yards of distance on every single iron, and the feedback from them (presumably due to the hollow face?) is non-existent. For the modest tick up in forgiveness that has been massively offset by loss of accuracy and distance. I have since moved to a set of Srixon ZX5's, and couldn't be happier. I think most golfers (myself included) need to acknowledge that we're better than we think we are.
@timothymyers151
@timothymyers151 6 ай бұрын
Ping i230 might be a good fit for him.
@dubbs1923
@dubbs1923 3 ай бұрын
I'm going for a fitting and I'm hoping I land with T150s, Srixon X7/5 MK2 or Mizzino 243. I'm a 12 and want a set I can grow into
@peterhammer4644
@peterhammer4644 7 ай бұрын
would have stuck with the T150. Seemed the fitter wanted him to take the Apex Pro 🤣
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
We both agreed fairly easily on the Apex. And my whole bag is Titlesit, I absolutely love their clubs and think they are amazing. It's harder to tell on the video as a lot of shots are taken out but the miss hit and better general direction was better with the Apex, obviously good ones with both were great but the miss was wider with the T150.
@clintvanzyl8497
@clintvanzyl8497 7 ай бұрын
@epgolfstudios We're limited for golf shops and fitters in my city here in NZ. I stopped playing 6 years ago and was off +3, and im loookg at getting back into it. Im 44 and wouldn't say no to some extra distance if its available. Ive tried a ton of clubs and really like the Cobra Forged Tec X, even though with my mid to high 90's swing speed with a 7 iron they really shouldnt suit my game but every time i hit them theyre the most consistent. Im getting ball speeds of about 130mph, a peak height of 110-120ft, a descent angle of between 48 & 50⁰, and backspin of about 5200-5500. Do these numbers seem ok to you? Ive always hit the ball high amd struggled to knock spin off my irons so the lower spin appeals to me.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Hey Clint! Yeah I mean that's a really tricky situation. Being completely honest the best bet is to work on getting angle of attack more down and they will link to delivering less loft and create way more distance but from better players clubs that will gap better. The thing I hate about the stronger lofted irons is that loft gaps are so small between long irons and massive between wedges. But yes from a ball perspective those numbers are ok. Only thing to be weary of would be the spin getting a bit too low in the longer irons. I did a video where I show how much difference there is when hitting down on an iron Vs hitting up. I think it was the "Custom Fitting or Lesson" video. Have a watch 👍 but generally in your case I like to go in the middle. Play an iron that still has distance in mind but the loft gaps aren't so mental. So like Mizuno 225 or the P790 or even the standard Forged Tec model
@clintvanzyl8497
@clintvanzyl8497 7 ай бұрын
@@epgolfstudios thanks for the reply 👍. I'm usually about 3⁰ down on my irons and can alter that by moving the ball back a bit. I've always played form a slightly open stance hence the high ball. I'm considering hybrids or a utility wood or 2 for the top of the bag.
@hbyrdut
@hbyrdut 7 ай бұрын
He seemed to prefer the T150, in my opinion, even though he was straighter with the Apex
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
He did prefer the way the head looked but we both agreed performance, consistency and dispersion was better with the Apex Pro
@cwugrad396
@cwugrad396 7 ай бұрын
two seconds after mentioning going upright he cooked one hard left. hard to truly find the perfect combination of shaft, loft, lie and so on when our swing changes from one minute to the next
@cwugrad396
@cwugrad396 7 ай бұрын
i think he made the right choice in the end.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
You're absolutely right it is hard. But also when weighing up lie angle its helping to improve the miss on a decent strike, and on average Alex would slightly leak it to the right with a decent swing, so on average going upright will help with his more common miss when he makes a pretty good swing. A lie angle change is never going to matter when it comes to a hard left miss, that's just a bad swing. The extra spin will help that a little bit with these new irons, but there's only ever so much a club can do, ultimately it's still down to you to get more consistent with how you deliver the club 👍
@cwugrad396
@cwugrad396 7 ай бұрын
@@epgolfstudios his own club he had a hard left miss. his fitted clubs were much better
@andrewreid200
@andrewreid200 5 ай бұрын
This video just came randomly on my feed, and I think I’ll be booking a fitting with you next week! Out of interest, do you just have the 7i for fittings or do you have others? Just interested in potentially going for a combo set or something so would like to try a low iron? Hopefully see you soon!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 5 ай бұрын
Hey Andrew! That's great we look forward to seeing you soon! And we have some longer irons in Titleist as they provide them for us which is great but they don't have interchangeable shafts. But we don't have in any other brands at the moment. Tbh figuring out combo sets is pretty easy depending on your delivery, ball flight and strike consistency. That's one benefit of working with an experienced fitter 👌
@glennhoyland6147
@glennhoyland6147 7 ай бұрын
if you're looking for a 34/35 degree 7 iron is there any issue going with an 8 iron at a 7 iron length? if you wanted to bring in more forgiving iron set options. so say a p790 8 iron at 37" instead of a p770 bent.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Swingweight would be the biggest issue followed by gapping. Each head weight is designed to play at a certain length with the head weight so going longer increases swingweight. For some would maybe be ok but it's just creating a problem that doesn't really need to be there. I don't genuinely believe the 770 is any less forgiving than the 790
@rickramirez6693
@rickramirez6693 5 ай бұрын
He should use shaft leen to git the face more in the center!
@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb
@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb 7 ай бұрын
Problem I see with all these fittings is nobody ever seems to go back to the original clubs to compare after thoroughly warming up. His strikes got more consistent but it's hard to say if it's the different setup or because he was simply warmed up? I know it takes me at least a half hour before my swing settles down (if it ever settles down) - I'm similar handicap, but better irons wouldn't make any meaningful difference to my game...
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
I do that quite often to be honest but it does depend on the scenario and how their own clubs performed for them. In Alex's case when we saw him hit good shots with his own clubs the performance wasn't very good because of how strong in loft they were paired with the head design. So regardless of consistency moving into a more player's iron would be a good move for him 👌 if he had irons that performed pretty similarly on good shots then we probably would have jumped back into his at the end.
@billfly2186
@billfly2186 7 ай бұрын
You're a really good fitter. I didn't see you address his lie. He was hitting toe down on every shot and the mat is more forgiving than real turf. Would you adjust his le 1 or 2 degrees upright?
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Bill, lie angle was mentioned a few times mate and specs were put up of each club most were 2 Upright and we went 2 upright
@billfly2186
@billfly2186 7 ай бұрын
@@epgolfstudios Thanks. I skipped around a bit and missed it.
@quickvr4
@quickvr4 7 ай бұрын
Why did you not go with the 223 that was producing spin in the 6600 range? Distance seemed consistent. Wouldn't it hold greens better and be more controlled?
@peterhammer4644
@peterhammer4644 7 ай бұрын
The 223:s flew nowhere. Spin is overrated. 5000 is more than enough with his speed for a 7-iron and will stop fast enough.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
The extra spin was mainly coming from him slightly miss hitting it hence the lack of distance compared to the others. And 6600 is an unnecessary amount of spin for someone of Alex's speed and delivery, and on course that would be over 7000. Serves no purpose except for losing distance. The stopping power comes through the land angle so he had the same control if not slightly more with the apex as more ball speed creates a higher peak height and more land angle
@factsunbiased5157
@factsunbiased5157 3 ай бұрын
You do a nice job of fitting, why the Callaway bias? He was clearly hitting the T150 better in the range setup. You kept pushing the apex and drove him to the apex pro. No biggie as long as the customer was happy, just noticed a clear bias and push
@jgourlay6581
@jgourlay6581 7 ай бұрын
New subscriber man# thanks for this video. I'm a 12 handicap but it's coming down. Thinking of trying the srixon ZX5 or ZX7... Thoughts???
@xXcharliegoonerXx
@xXcharliegoonerXx 7 ай бұрын
ZX5 mk ii are fantastic irons, I’d stick with them rather than the ZX7.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks J! Can't really comment as we don't so Srixon but the reality is no brand makes bad performing clubs anymore, they are all brilliant, it's just about getting the right ones for you! 👍 I will say I've seen some ZX7's and his them, they are a lot chunkier than I was expecting. I would definitely rather go T150s as they look so much nicer and will 100% be as forgiving 👌
@grogesy1344
@grogesy1344 6 ай бұрын
hi mate, potentially looking at getting a fit done soon ( Irons ) I want to go more into Graphite shafts i play of 15hcp, just wanted to know what sort of Iron head's i should be looking at? thinking Zx5'sMK11 / p790 Apex pro's ect.. any thought's? cheers dude
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 6 ай бұрын
Hey Grogesy. Unfortunately it's impossible to say. I don't look at irons in handicap ranges because that's really the worst way you can look at irons. The biggest thing is how much loft do you deliver at impact. If you are a bit of a scooper than a set with stronger lofts will be better for you. If you are someone that hits down a lot and takes off a lot of loft at impact then you need to be looking at a more traditionally lofted iron set, regardless of what your Handicap is 👍 and no brand is any better than anyone else, generally a 32* 7 iron, they all perform pretty much the same, so Mizuno 223, Titlesit T150, Srixon ZX7, it's just all about the head that clicks best with you, that's the biggest thing that matters. So get the loft right for your delivery and then test as many heads as you can around that loft 👍
@Jcanning1888
@Jcanning1888 5 ай бұрын
Can’t believe he didn’t buy the clubs from you after this!!!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 5 ай бұрын
We understand new clubs are expensive and not everyone wants to shell out £1,200 plus on irons. The new Callways do come in at around £185 per club which is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. Brands need to do better at reducing club prices.
@joelane2845
@joelane2845 7 ай бұрын
Ross, I know he tried the Mizuno Pro 223. Was the more forgiving Pro 225 not available? I can’t wait to see the Pro 245 !!Also, forgiveness wise, do you think the Apex Pro is more like the T 200 than the T 150? Or right in between? Thanks, Joe
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Hey Joe. Well the only problem with the 225 is moving back down towards a lower spinning head, at a lower loft, which is what we were trying to get away from with Alex. And again in all honesty I've never really seen any noticeable difference in forgiveness between those heads. It's very marginal. And yeah with the Apex Pro being full hollow body, so being as forgiving as the 225 and T200, but having more loft, it fit perfectly really 👌
@mkal009
@mkal009 7 ай бұрын
Going from a ping g425 to something like a T150/Apex is a big change. Can you say why you did not give him P790/T200 or similar to compare. He seemed to like the titleist but results from T150 were not great - maybe T200 would have worked well
@uglygolf
@uglygolf 6 ай бұрын
I thought the same and especially with his right miss 🤔
@glenburr6755
@glenburr6755 6 ай бұрын
He needed more loft. I have the same problem with 30* 7 irons. Not enough launch, not enough spin, not steep enough landing angle.
@mkal009
@mkal009 6 ай бұрын
@@glenburr6755 well you can weaken the lofts on the "players distance" 7 iron to say 32 degrees. so it seems strange to completely discount irons in this category without exploring the option.
@derrickcountryman9994
@derrickcountryman9994 7 ай бұрын
Even with the 2* upright adjustment he was still 2-3 toe down at impact. Any thoughts on other adjustments to address that? Or is that not a concern? Thanks!
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Yeah it's funny how some people can fluctuate and adjust. But aslong as direction is generally better then I'm not really concerned. The toe strike came from the swing move that created the toe down at impact, so it's a little bit of a band aid for now and he's working on it so it's a nice balance and when he works on it hopefully we can move back more towards standard
@derrickcountryman9994
@derrickcountryman9994 7 ай бұрын
I ask for that very reason. I have a similar tendency. At first when the lie angle is adjusted upright its better then I just start compensating and get right back to toe down even with upright lie angle :)@@epgolfstudios
@CamMacMastermusic
@CamMacMastermusic 7 ай бұрын
2:04 Should his head be swinging like this ? Does that change anything in the swing?
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Alex can get a little bit tilty at times which comes from a bit of a sway. We did have a bit of a chat about that though the fitting and it's something he's working on 👌 but yeah it can certainly lead to low point issues causing thins and fats - and for most people causes a bit too much loft to be delivered. Alex's loft generally wasn't too bad as he has a slightly stronger grip which counteracts the move a bit
@dominickdelfino7552
@dominickdelfino7552 7 ай бұрын
So why is the game improvement heads hurting? I have a set of JPX 921 hot metal pro and a set of JPX 923 Hot metal, amazingly I hit the pros better than the more forgiving Hot Metals. Any idea why a smaller less forgiving head would perform better for me?
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
It will be different for everyone of course. For some the stronger lofted game improvement irons would be great. All depends on how you deliver it. But for Alex the strong lofts were bad as they created too low launch and spin. That in turn Makes his bad miss even worse and reduces stopping power into greens. In your case I would say more to do with the set up than the actual heads. Are they different shafts? As those heads aren't really too much different
@dominickdelfino7552
@dominickdelfino7552 7 ай бұрын
@@epgolfstudios exact same shaft in both. So strange.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
@@dominickdelfino7552 very odd! Swingweight, lie angle all the same? Might just be a psychological thing possibly 🤷 who knows, but it they work better then who cares 😂 just keep playing them 🙌👍
@dominickdelfino7552
@dominickdelfino7552 7 ай бұрын
@@epgolfstudios I am curious if the slightly smaller club makes me focus more on strike and also wonder if more loft would help too. Or it’s just all in my head ;)
@seahagh9832
@seahagh9832 7 ай бұрын
What's up with the low strike location. Shouldn't it be on the red line vertical wise?
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 6 ай бұрын
No, 3rd - 4th groove with irons. If the strikes on or above the red line it's basically fat. But that also depends on where the person is putting the dots on the face as that's where the quad will measure from. I put them half way up the face as foresight suggest to do because this picks up data more consistently.
@mikepraught5708
@mikepraught5708 6 ай бұрын
Titleist made fitting irons pretty easy. Have you tried T150's ? They work for 90% of golfers
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 6 ай бұрын
Did you watch any of the video 😂
@Fitter4life
@Fitter4life 5 ай бұрын
Haha I don’t think he did… I tried the 150’s and they just didn’t vibe with me in any shaft. Went to mizuno 245 and viola amazing
@patrickl542
@patrickl542 4 ай бұрын
Pushing those Apex pros lol
@kainzowgroup-seniordigital3763
@kainzowgroup-seniordigital3763 5 ай бұрын
Question - You are using a lot of stiff shafts, as opposed to Regular on the irons, can you give me your logic on the choice?
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 5 ай бұрын
He's already really in the stiff range really with a somewhat jerky motion from the top so more stability is better but once I get him moving better his speed will jump 5mph minimum do definitely better for long term too
@jasonperez2535
@jasonperez2535 7 ай бұрын
This guy must be amazing off the tee or on the green to be a 10 handicap because judging by his 7 iron shot I’d say 10 is VERY generous
@christopherconway1646
@christopherconway1646 7 ай бұрын
Good evening am I able to come have a driver fitting with you please happy to travel I currently have a titliest TSR 2 Driver. Play off 4.7
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
Hey Chris, yes absolutely you can mate 👍 if you just Google Elite Performance Golf Studios you will find out website and we have an online booking system that is easy to use. Just pick Driver fitting and get booked in 👍 look forward to seeing you soon
@nikmc7539
@nikmc7539 7 ай бұрын
You think a 5.5 hard stepped would help a player like this with dispersion?
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 7 ай бұрын
No 😂
@fairwayfreunde
@fairwayfreunde 6 ай бұрын
Why is the perfect hitting zone on the clubface so low? If I would hit a ball with those groves it would hurt my hands.
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 6 ай бұрын
Just because of where we put the dots on the face, so it's how GC Quad is reading the strike location on the face. It looks thin but it's not
@home4ya
@home4ya 6 ай бұрын
off camera, did he try the Apex, t200, or HotMetal HL (lower lofts = better hight and spin)?
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 6 ай бұрын
Lower loft = less launch and less spin
@home4ya
@home4ya 6 ай бұрын
@@epgolfstudios sorry as you know the 923Hm-HL are HIGHER lofts = more height and spin...
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 6 ай бұрын
@@home4ya the Hot Meal HL is 31* 7 iron. The Apex Pro is 33*. So still quite a bit stronger than the Apex Pro
@michaelcoughlin8238
@michaelcoughlin8238 6 ай бұрын
would you say this was a typical session or did you go through more due to making a video? Just trying to set my expectations for a fitting. I must have missed it but I still don't know why game improvement irons can hurt you. Did you address this?
@epgolfstudios
@epgolfstudios 6 ай бұрын
Yeah pretty typical. Also the video is obviously condensed quite a lot. Generally an iron fitting is 1.5 hours. We like to test as many variables as possible to ensure the best results. Game improvement irons are generally speaking low spin, so if you have a low spin delivery then that can create a ball flight that is too low and has a.sub optimal land angle but it will also accentuate your miss (especially if it's left) but will also generally create gapping issues through the bag and long irons that have a very low and aggressive ball flight with no stopping power. Lots of issues really. Generally for most players, especially slower swing speed, irons with more loft are a lot better.
@TheRealMoonBear
@TheRealMoonBear 20 күн бұрын
For T150, Titleist calls it the “faster players iron”
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