Remember, if Fubuki leaves then Hololive is in trouble

Side note is that bilibili isn’t a shareholder of anycolor anymore. That may or may not be a factor 🤷🤷

I'm not against this necessarily, lots of money to make will boost Cover up, especially since Cover wants to make each talent more valuable (here at least those who can speak Chinese). My worry is a potential repeat of Coco and Haachama. It's a double edged sword decision.

I just want it to go well, we all don’t want another war to happen.

I feel like as Nousagi said, Cover is testing the waters. They are waiting to see if their fanbase just outright "revolts". This is going to be a slow transition. If the fans seem receptive enough, then they will probably go full speed ahead.

If a second coco incident happens, i think the overseas fan will also be criticizing hololive for thinking setting foot in china was a good idea

Am I the only one who actually think the fact that only BiliBili announced it, and Cover didn't, was actually A GOOD THING? With Bili announcing, that will help Cover from accidentally starting drama with CN folks again, I mean who would understand CN PR better than a CN corpo right? So by going at it like this, Bili was actually protecting Cover's talents from backlash on their side, which is REALLY GOOD

Extremely worried of course. When I started watching hololive a few months into it, Coco graduated. Cover really, *really* needs an emergency giant EXIT button out of this one if things even go a little bit south.

I think there's a rule in China,that influencer with 100k subs must disclose their identity. Not if how Hololive will be exempt from that. Either way I'm worried but I'll try to wait and see first.

I wonder why many "fans" from the West are cooking up this drama, even though in Asia or Indonesia this isn't really a problem, and in the last year Holo-ID has often played games from China when other members/branches didn't do so. Kobo is often watched by Chinese fans (from Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia or the mainland) and interacts with them in Mandarin. and we in Southeast Asia, especially in Indonesia, can access Bilibili without revealing personal identity because it only applies to mainland China. Kobo is quite popular among Mandarin speakers. So that's one way he can stream on Bilibili and attend big Bilibili events. If this is the case, we Indonesian fans will be "gatekeeping" kobo not only from Chinese antis whose existence is almost extinct, but from western antis who like to cook up unnecessary drama.

Money. The answer is always money.

Kaela can speak mandarin too.

they can dip their toes , but never make a branch for them again . Just sprinkle some events(holofes), merch and livers here and there but never get too deep on that market again .

Cover doing business with China again is not something to be too worried over imo.This includes some talents also streaming on Bilibili and perhaps even doing events in China again (These two are bigger than simply uploading videos to bilibili/asking for licenses or sponsorships from Chinese games/selling merch to China but is still imo not too big). Now, something that would justify actually getting worried would be if Cover had decided on a new HoloCN.

The only good thing I see from this maybe we will get Hololive x Azur lane collab 2.0 or collab with other China game.

From what I see that this time China is desperate and begging Holo to return. Since Kobo is ID seems safer to start than with JP or EN member. kinda begs me the question, from what I remember back then when Niji expand to china they Flex and got a lot of attraction but now it's almost Silent

If they're testing the waters, then there was no need to advertise it. No need to bolster the numbers with people that don't use the platform. It wouldn't surprise me if some members felt bad about leaving Chinese fans like they did. Since Cover decided to go ahead, can only hope things go well. Also, those psy-op antis are still out there. We need to remember not to emotionally react to rrats.

My main guess was that Hololive now have talents that can actually speak (mandarin) chinese, even if its not perfect. Previously it was Aqua a popular talent in CN and Fubuki followed along to test the waters, problem was that neither can speak mandarin, so it was kinda awkward. Kobo and Kaela has been known to be able to converse in chinese, with Kobo being fairly fluent. They might also hire staff that can help translate for the talents. Overall its not a bad deal, enter the chinese market once again and hope for the best. Just need to avoid sending over the talents that were targeted during the Taiwan incident, so basically anyone who mentioned Coco on stream, and Haato. The antis are the minority, but they do have the money. The main problem i can see is the Niji-sisters and the Coco-haters.

Money is the answer. I'm not against a business wanting to make money on China, I just don't like when they force a graduation of a talent because they said Taiwan's name. Basically I won't shit on the talents because of it, but that doesn't mean that I'm Fam with the antis

Cover has to try to dip into the Chinese Market but i believe theu won't making a Chinese Branch again. As they are currently applying for opening their stock trading internationally so they won't be tied to the stagnating Japanese stock market, that's the purpose of opening their US branch. Just hoping things goes smoothly and keepnit under control as this for the genuine Hololive fans in China.

I understand cover trying to get back in that market, but i will never forget what they did.

It's more like billi wanted cover back than cover wanting to return, which possibly made some new agreements that this time around it would work in cover favor than last time Considering hololive is much bigger now while billi is in a state unstableness (with all those bullshit laws), billi would seem to be the one that bend the knee first. Right now there's no confirmation if cover really wants go back, cause as off right now, they have only been invited which means that billi is the one attempting to rebuild the bridge (doe it's currently at ashes still) to try and bring holo back. And if they are returning, it's probably only few members that would be interested to giving it a shot in their own volition, we know kobo is one, considering knowing how she is when it comes collabing with anyone she wants or going anywhere she wants, even doe it's brash at time's, she will probably take the opportunity if it's available especially having a cn fanbase already. In conclusion, are the talents force? No, which is the most obvious answer, does billi want holo back despite their shit show display? (cause anyone who knows that era will never forget that era) probably so with them making the first move in inviting holo. But will this go well? Probably a rocky start for some despite the success with kobo debut their, but time will tell, we already know cover is willing to take risk, so if the cn fans aren't willing to welcome holo back then sayonara forever billi, but if they are willing and mature enough to not hound the talents like last time then who knows wether this will be positive or negative in the long run. And lastly, if the old cn antis tries to come back to attack, this time around their fighting in our turf.

Hope there won't be Coco or Haachama incident anymore...

IDK why but i have a feeling that cover corp missing one important step before announcing this. I don't know what this one crucial step is, but it feels like it.

3:53 fr, there are no announcements and advertisements, but it can get a lot of attention from the mainland

comment section is giving "did Cover forget to ask for my concent?" kinda vibe. bro, company do company things. lets just see where this is headed. if it goes bad we dunk on them, if it goes well we praise them.

Maybe they'll focus on Hong Kong or Taiwan. Maybe Shanghai too, since they're not as crazy as those from Beijing.

When they want to play with fire, they will get burn by a fire.

I also think they are trying to see how they will go about including the Chinese viewers again, since I had no idea that this just happened, I just came back from an exam and I saw this news (I had flashbacks of Coco if I'm honest), so we'll see how this will develop and if there are still people who are still resentful towards Cover.

because of money, yes! because of demand too, yes! The number of Hollive fans in China is growing rapidly, and these fans are not the antis of the past, but a new generation of VTuber fans. In Southeast Asia we can access Bilibili without having to use a VPN or hand over personal data. What we see is that Hollive fans are growing in mainland China, with many video clips or video reposts from KZfaq content creators. Hololive uses Kobo because Kobo often interacts with Chinese fans in Mandarin. and there are quite a lot of Kobo clips on Bilibili, yesterday's Kobo stream also received a positive response and received attention from Bilibili. so if you are hololive "fans" from the west, stop cooking up this drama which has a bad impact on the talent itself. We holo-id fans are also aware of past incidents, but we can't hate an entire country just because a group of antis acted badly. move on!

There is one more leak. I mentioned it somewhere else, but one of them say B2 was negotiating this, as they want Hololive back to events really hard, to the point they allow them to receive 100% of what they generate in B2 and on top not to abide to the " One China Rule", the only condition is to never mentioned Taiwan on the site or at least refer it as Taipei instead, just that one, as long as inside their platform and not outside. Also they are not obligated to have one. This also comes into light that Metishon is involved on this, as they are a company who has a VT agency called Noa Talent, who is now partnership with Sayu. Metishon has a lot of connections and deals with Hoyoverse apparently. Also Metishon is directly act as a middle management Kobo's B2 account. My hope is this is only money but with the condition put by Cover instead. Also i guess your rumour must be related to the fact B2 pulled from investing in Anycolors as well .

I just want them to play Genshin, all this started literally like 2 week after Genshin release that was like 1 week after Holo EN Myth debut, even some members talk about it as "oh this new game", then the thing happened and we never heard about genshin from any of them again, they lost the genshin hyoe and the holo playing it hyoe, now has been like 4 years and the game is full of content, I'll love to ssee any of my faves doing a full run of Genshin live. (Genshin Impact is a chinese game if it was not implied clear)

8:57 yeah... i remember when i can't type kiryu coco on honkai impact 3 chat when the war is still going

I would definitely think there's enough new blood in the fandom that the backlash would be lower then we'd think. Combined with testing the waters to see if CN fans really want hololive back. The issue will be if some sort of organization gets established on the mainland side.

I’m a little concerned that this could go wrong but I’m cautiously optimistic. 100 percent sure the Chinese game companies have to give back perms tho or in my eyes this isn’t worth the hassle.

My theory: It's in time for their stock market label change to Prime Market happening this year. They are in the Growth Market in Tokyo Stock Exchange. With that change, they're opening up to international investors. They revealed this in the latest Investor Report. hindsight is 20/20. They already appeased the west with Cover USA, Dodgers collab, 2nd EN concert, and world tour. Now they've set their eyes back in the neighborhood. Tldr: it's money.

The rrats are true. I hope Coco incident part 2 won't happen but if it does it can be way worse.

So like... Can we get Pieces, suisei song back?

3:17 I afraid there's might be misunderstanding, but she didn't mention matsuri in her debut yesterday. She just said that she'll be in bilibili event

If this is true then it's disappointing. To those people who keeps on telling us to move on & just accept this then how about those antis are the ones who need to move on? why is it always us who needs to give way? I just want to remind everyone all the awful things that the holo girls experienced becoz of those antis, remember Coco & remember how haachama was so depressed she had a very long hiatus & when she came back streaming she was crying so much cause she blamed her self for Coco's graduation & this is even the tip of the iceberg, They were harassed in the internet for just mentioning a word!!! & now people wanna fold just because kobo streamed in B2? wow!. If they would really go back to china just remember that the Hologirls will be banned on mentioning Coco's name & there will be 0% chance that she will be able to visit a holomember's stream. and also just to mention Kson's face was blurred in B2, it was a video during a live stream event in the Yakuza game event. Now tell me who needs to move on.

maybe ID has pressure to convert subscribes to money, but cover still learn nothing after COCO. by the way, where is the "Pieces"

not suprising, kobo often stream for chinese-indonesia audience and seemingly cover saw this opportunity to test the water.

For me, full blown announcement is bringing more harm because right now some people went mental and could bringing unwanted attention ....and low announcement is very good because this can become as filter (how you may ask?) Its been years, maybe some people still have the unsavory feeling but very majority is like "i hate them, idc, and idgaf" so the one that watching Kobo from China is the one who wants to support her. It is a brand NEW CHAPTER of relationship, the kind that learning from the past incident and the kind that hopeful of the future mutual happiness. Rather than truly gripping of past pain, we should move on and embrace future vtubber with our difference as whole community. Unity in Diversity of VTubber

Let's just hope everything goes well for everyone.

The question is, is it for just random events or for good? It is possible that B2 offers lots of money to try to get Hololive back so then it is just a good business. It will be another story if Hololive re-debut CN branch or just some random streaming. It is very possible if dipping toes back into China and cause lots of negative reactions then it is still very likely that Cover will bail on China again.

Let's just wait and see...

We didn’t learn anything from 2020.

best to not engage with their bilibili channel. Let's Taiwanese enjoy what they want and ignore the kneejerk reaction. its not like I am going to watch on bilibili. I will only be piss if it cut into youtube stream time. i don't even watch them on twitch.

This is basically testing the waters. Doing business in China is a slippery slope as well, all US companies have seen so far. The law are arbitrary, change at the drop of the hat, and largely very anti-foreign business. It could become another coco situation, but I'm sure cover has probably banned youtube analytics reveal streams now. Compared to all fanbases, the Chinese fans are the most rabid. Covid may now be over, but the primary target audience for vtubers (males from 15~45), are suffering from many struggles there (so many economic factors, such as deflation, high unemployment, wage decreases, etc.). This means they can be just as "on edge" as they were during the covids, like a powder keg ready to burst. I do hope they become extra careful now. But it also feels like a push from stock holders and the board of directors. It makes sense, business wise, that they would try to go back (Japan is in a recession, and the US may enter a recession, so it would be better to diversify income sources by trying to go back into China, merely from a risk diversification angle). This also explains why they brought 3 EU girls into Gen 4 of holoEN (a test at expanding to the EU market). But ultimately it is a dangerous game to play with China. They literally tried to destroy Hololive over a nothing burger, and they can do it again. This isn't even including the current geopolitical strife between China and basically every other Asian country.

There's no eternal enemy, only eternal benefit

Honestly, the first time I saw the news about Kobo going to stream in Bilibili triggered a flash back for me. History might repeat it self in the future, we could only see.

Kobo seems to like Chinese memes on Tiktok very much. Although I don't believe it could stand long if they decide to return on Chinese market further. I still believe Cover understand the risk and have experience to deal with the situations. Chinese reaction on social media: Most of the comments are compliments, they are looking forward to other Holomems' return. Many posts in fan groups are being banned talking about the content related to the "past", while many still believe it was Coco's fault that Cover quit China, and the whole incident is a misunderstanding between Cover and Bilibili. A few comments still insult Hololive, and a few believe that Cover returned because they couldn't make money. Taiwanese reaction on social media: Most people believe it won't end good, they say that time will prove everything. Many comments wish Kobo and Cover to stay safe, and some commemts think Cover's decision is inevitable from a business perspective. While a few comments said that Taiwanese will fall to pieces and make the matters worse first. Indonesian reaction on social media: Most of the people think it won't be so serious. Although some comments still afraid Kobo might be attacked just because of a insignificant mistake like what Vox suffered, they were more concerning about the hatred Kobo recieve from some Western fans who didn't watch her hate her because of her returning on Bilibili. A few people even believe that by returning to Chinese market, the relationship between Cover and China could be eased.

I like how the title is phrased like a baffled question

they can try to enter cn's market again, i really hope it goes well, because if the repeat of coco happen again, cover will definitely face much harsher reaction from the community.

In WuWa case seems like enemy of my enemy is my friend type thing with hoyoverse, in my opinion

I will watch with great interest as my pointer hovers over the unsubscribe icon.

I dunno about the mainland but Kobo already have many fans from HK and TW, so im assuming theyre testing the situation for now

Coco leaving hololive still affect me to this day, I miss having to wake up in the morning then watch Asacoco before doing my activities ☹️

I wish, I really wish this was announced officially by Cover like a week before it happened, it wouldn't have felt like a punch to the gut that way.

Hmmmm Arknights is pretty big sponsor back then. I really want my Holo operator.

They had several Taiwan events about 2 months ago. Its possible that maybe those events failed or didn't make as much money as they wanted. It would suck if they just abandoned Taiwan for China now. I guess RIP Taiwanese bros

Oh Thank God. The discussions here are much more civil than r/Hololive. It's refreshing. Anyway, personally, let Cover cook As far as I can see, Hololive has no downsides with this partnership. If it goes good, great. If it doesn't, then they back off the market, maybe for good this time. Since they're only sending 2 talents for now, that means they're being cautious. Plus, we can't really blame Yagoo here. CEOs are at the mercy of the investors/board members who probably desires to return to the Chinese market. EDIT: Bilibili's vtuber community is in shambles right now thanks to dumb legislations. They need Hololive's clout to revive it leading to this.

Only Kobo could do this since her fanbase also has CN fans in them, Matsuri no idea. But, Cover is definitely testing the waters because, no way they will transition all talent to B2 if they are getting flamed right now. It’s either for business relations or money which I’m not surprised, it’s a company at the end of the day, don’t treat them as your best friend. I’ve also seen soo many comments concerned about this which is fine, they don’t events from 4 years ago to happen again but then there are other comments that remind me of the NDF, the obsession is so unhinged. Just give it some time to make your own judgement, if fans from BiliBili attack the talents, you know what to do.

If the talents wants to stream on bilibili its okay... But if cover forced their talent to stream on the platform thats a different story. In those days holobros cant do anything and powerless to help 2 talents. The things and what ifs that we lost is not a insignificant. Holobros can forgive but never forgets

Well, I just hope it goes alright for them And if it does go well....I'm gonna cope that maybe holo can play certain gacha games again on stream like AL and Arknights like back then

Well, I think question should be "Why not?" (in term of business.)

Will we have one more chinese branch I wonder?

I really hope that Cover Corp. has safeguards in place for the worst-case scenario. I know the ID bros have Kobo's back, but I doubt they would be enough to protect her if she makes a mistake. I obviously want the talents and company to prosper, but I don't want to see any of them go through what Kaichou did. Hopefully, a repeat of the Taiwan incident, or something similar, doesn't happen.

I just want to know how Cover going to navigate the new Chinese laws about streaming and superchats. Also how their going to naviagte the Chinese government request for vtubers real name and information in order to stream in country.

Well. This is an inevitable trainwreck.

What the rabbit didn't mention is that China's economic bubble is overdue for a crash. So Chinese investors are desperate to move their money elsewhere before it pops. Anykuro is also losing Sony a huge chunk as well. So Sony could be looking to drop them in favor of Cover to recover their failed investment.

one of the most respectable things holo has ever done was decide to pull out of china, choosing principles over money. being beholden to the chinese state in any manner is a terrible idea

Somehow this got recommended to me. Well, if everything goes well for Fubuki after this, I'll have no complain. If things go south I'll speak up more.

I am optimistic. Most of the antis were rallying around HoloCN livers and management to continue their anti campaign. Livers because of their alt activities. Management because they sought to profit from it. The antis had 'leaders' to rally around. And because they had leaders, the antis were successful in squashing the Chinese fans who still supported Hololive (at least until HoloCN was graduated). Without them, I'd expect the antis to be less able to muster that critical size to flood Hololive with their opinion.

its concerning that Kobo might slip up and say something to kick of the war again like mentioning something about Taiwan

so, on the one hand i want to believe Cover has learned & they will take precautions but what does worry me is that if they do more limited content for Billi Billi we might start seeing favoritism creep in

There's also something kinda worth mentioning. Hololive got perm to stream Wuthering Waves back when it came out. The company making it, Kuro Games, is from Guangzhou, China. Considering how Cover privated vods of game from China like Muse Dash since the Coco incident, this might indicate that China has somewhat allow Cover to work with them again.

This is some bing chilling moment

i guess no more Taiwan events or Taiwan collabs in the future huh?

It's straight up money, it seems like the Chinese market was too big for Yagoo/Cover to ignore. I'm honestly pretty pessimistic about this return to B2. It's great for the Taiwanese fans and the loyal HoloBros from China and I hope that this is all it's gonna be; reaching out a hand to those fans. But when the CCP and their anti's start up again, I don't know man, I think I'm just gonna walk. I can't believe I'm gonna say this cringe stuff but; I've been here since Gen 2/Gamers and I was there when the whole China situation happened, reporting posts/bots. It just feels like they're making the same mistake for money. Running a business isn't supposed to be an emotional affair so in that way I suppose it's good that Yagoo can make that decision, but personally I'm not feeling it. Only time will tell I guess. Or Fubuki.

Hey, I also don't want people to harrass Hololive, but I'm just wondering how many of them think Taiwan should be the next Hong Kong? Cause that's what you are gonna have to promote if you are streaming in China, as we clearly saw the last time this came around.

Bilibili sold their Nijistocks recently. Now Hololive enters their market and will definitely take that share. Filian from twitch is also planning to stream on Bilibili from the Sakana and Loomi QnA stream, so I'm guessing the other vtubers will follow too

5:55 I went to that subreddit and saw the chaos, people calling eachother fake fans, unsubscribing to Sora, Matsuri and Kobo actually calling em traitors it's Niji 2.0, u/Helmite trying to rationalize the subreddit.

Hhmmm... little skeptical about this. I'm all for Cover expanding their business but going back to China is going to be a rough hurdle. Especially for any fans that came into the rabbit hole around the issues China and Coco. (LIKE MYSELF. Pretty sure I came a month or two before her G word)

I know what happened but why depraved chinese fans who didn't want the coco incident and why not let cover grow, when the coco incident happened cover was a mere upstart now they have the tools and capacity to handle it better, also all fans who advocate for coco incident doesn't even support her as kson. So much drama for a business venture. If cover fails and an incident happen, then let them learn more and try again another time.. there is no success in not taking a risk, being angry at cover for not doing this is like being angry at yagoo for trying to grow the company at the best he can

imo Cover is very unlikely to be the one to reach for China, looking at it, BiliBili is no longer a shareholder of anycolor anymore, so they may need to reach for another corpo with the same lvl or higher than anycolor to fill in, and the best choice for them is Hololive, but their government may still against it, which is why they make it less obvious...

Personally, I dont want them to go back Especially when certain "events" will likely occur in the near future But what happens, happens

As long as they have exit button and can keep safe the talent's I'm okay with this.

Finally i have something to worry about

I’d be wary af tbh.

I say they can go to bilibili if they want BUT! they better be prepared if the coco and hachama thing happen again

I think hololive need to be careful with these situation what seems to me is that kobo might not lead to her fall but of someone else and my thoughts are not fubuki or any id member. To me it seem like the one with the target on her back for harassment is gura because of all the stuff she has done with Taiwan and the fact that she is also one of the few members that seem tired out and would be the prime target for all these and that would lead to civil war in hololive and then what is Kiara going to pick kobo over gura or calling for that matter.

Isn’t it because the yen is really weak rn? So they are considering all options.

Cover is a company first and foremost so capitalism is the name of the game. I don't know why people trick themselves into thinking that they're their Nintendo esque friend

To me, while... concerned I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. The precedent has already been set, if pushed hololive can and will walk away from a hostile market. One should never underestimate the value of being willing and able to walk away from the bargaining table

I'm prepping my "Told Cha" deck; pray to God that I don't have to use it in the future si vis pacem para bellum If you want peace, prepare for war One wrong move, and they'll cease to exist (it's the internet they'll be fighting against, and the internet is nothing but to never forgive and forget) Maybe it's time for ppl to wake up from the _'Cover is a benevolent corpo'_ dream and see it as it truly is: They're a corpo, and they'll do corpo sh*ts MONEY FIRST, everything comes later Signed, 3rd regiment veteran of The West Taiwan War

It's not dipping on water mann, it's truly dipping on lava....

Hoping it will benefit the holomems more Than the possible risk

If you're worried about this, don't pester the talents, pester cover. The girls don't really have a choice, they're employees.

As long as those antis dont target the talents anymore and no more CN branch, I'm good with this decision. Doesnt mean Im gonna be there tho. Imo, there are still Hololive fans in China and Taiwan and we and they all know it so they also deserve to have the opportunity to watch the talents on their platform. Before graduating, Coco also still has fans there and someone did sc her telling they found people still supporting her on B2 and she loves them all still, even the antis. I still remember the antis targeting talents, bot spamming the chats making some other talents also catching strays. It's really like a war and I dont want the talents to be subjected to that again. It could be that the B2 thing is only for certain talents that are not affected by the whole Taiwan ordeal, those who are ready and willing to accept if they're being targeted again by the antis. As far as we know, those antis still exist and still up to this day, hate Cover like hell and want to see Cover bend their knees to them. I remember a post or something when there was rumour about Cover returning to China, like last year? and saw those antis gloated and saying stuff like Cover is bending their knees to China's supremacy, Cover needs China and their money etc. It's insane how those antis think that a corpo as big as Cover and successful outside of China is in need of their 'power' thats why they were returning. So I believe we will see stuff like that in the future coming from those antis weirdoes. it's going to be kinda painful to see and funny too