It’s not impossible. Ever seen Incredibles?

A family dynamic in Superhero films is possible. Look at Incredibles and Guardians of the Galaxy.

Feel like Gunn would have been a solid choice for Fantastic Four. Both of his big hero movies have focused on found family, it’s clearly something he knows how to do well. However I’d say he needs a partner as the GotG / Squad humor wouldn’t be ideal for the Four and he can get too carried away with that tone at times.

It should also be added that their most important villain, Dr. Doom, is remarkably difficult to sell in film. Sorcerer Supreme level mystical arts, ultra-genius level scientific mind arguably superior to Reed, master martial artist on the level of Taskmaster, and supreme leader of a country. He's utterly absurd, and any attempt to play him anything but straight with all those characteristics will fall flat. Dr. Doom has to be played with earnestness and utter sincerity in his convictions. Victor believes, KNOWS, that his way is best for the human race. And, sometimes, it seems like he might be right. He's Marvel's Lex Luthor, but far more complex. He wants to bring paradise to Earth, the same way that he did to Latveria. He's noble, cultured, and has the willpower to push through any difficulty. In another story, with different goals, he'd be the perfect hero. And in some stories, he is. Trying to do that in a movie is... well, you can imagine it. Selling that kind of character to Hollywood executives is impossible. "What's his weakness?" "The man has an ego that, were it given physical form, would likely collapse into a black hole, except he'd keep it from doing so through raw willpower." I'd compare Dr. Doom to Death Note. The idea is so utterly stupid, completely absurd, that it should never work. But by committing to an idea fully, and exploring it completely, any idea can be utterly engrossing. But that level of commitment doesn't exist in Hollywood, because that requires faith. And getting a Hollywood studio/producer to have faith in anything requires either a madman, or a truly passionate director.

I'm sure the MCU could do it. If they can make Ant Man cool, they can definitely do Fantastic Four!

I really liked the F4 with Chris Evans. I've rewatched it as an adult and I still like it. As far as comic book movies were back then, it's easily one of the better ones.

The 2004 film almost nailed the FF with the family aspect, but butchered Doom. They played up the celebrity angle a bit too much.

I honestly think it's pretty easy to make a F4 movie, and we do have one. It's called the Incredibles. The issue is that Fox didn't care about making a F4 film, but rather a quick cash buck to keep the rights from going back to Marvel. Now with the buyout, I'm a bit excited to see how the F4 film will do

The Fantastic Four should not be an average “superhero movie” kinda the X-Men or Avengers, but mostly an adventure story (kinda Lost in Space) with the family dynamics being the priority

There should have been a nod to The Incredibles because that was the best version of a Fantastic 4-esque story we’ve ever seen in cinema. Everything the films got wrong, Brad Bird got right.

"This was truly a huge step forward." cut against Reed Richards stretching to take a huge step was an editing chef's kiss. It's the little things.

The reason why the last few F4 movies failed was due to Fox hiring the wrong director's for the job. Now that Marvel have the rights again here's hoping Jon Watts will finally give us the proper F4 movie we fans rightfully deserved.

The answer is simple, especially in today's world of entertainment: Fantastic Four should be a show, not a movie. It's too hard to do the team and a villain like Dr. Doom justice in feature length movies; their characters and chemistry is better served depicted over the span of a seasonal show and Disney+ could really do it right with the proper creative team. Also I'm of the opinion that a FF show or movie would be better as a period piece, like if it took place in the 60's or 70's. FF is a bit outdated conceptually, so return them back to a simpler time setting.

"Blood is thicker" even though half of them aren't related. It'd be weird if Sue was related to Reed, since they're married. Ben isn't related at all. Only Sue and Johnny are related. I think it's actually more about how CHOSEN family is what matters most. They chose to be a family and pretty much always stick together and have each other's backs, at least when it matters most. (Of course from time to time they've done a story where Johnny tries going off on his own or whatever but he always comes back)

There's a lot of blame being put on Trank himself, when actually the first culprit we should be looking at is Fox's studio interference with the project. Barely any of his original ideas were left in the film because they had to constantly reshoot and replace entire sections of the movie to appease the studio mandates. He was confident in his vision for the movie, but he said he was ashamed by the version that ended up being released, because it wasn't his film and he knew fans wouldn't be happy with it.

The bridge scene in the 1st Fantastic 4 movie is so underrated, I'm specifically talking about the scene where the Thing tried to pick up his fiancée’s ring, that's still one of the most well done scene in comic book movies history It's basically the Sandman transformation scene but better, at least that's a villain, and he did eventually picked up his daughter's photo, the Thing never managed to pick it up, and he's a good guy who got turned into this monster due to an accident

I never got the total hatred of the Tim story movies. They both are fairly decent solid movies that are entertaining enough. Far from perfect, they could have done better. But they could have done worse, and they have. I agree that the Trank version was complete crap, the the Tim story ones were more solid and entertaining then people give them credit for.

i've seen a lot of people say a F4 movie should start after their adventures/origin. Kind of like how we haven't seen Tom Holland get bit by the spider and uncle ben die etc. Just jump in and bring the audience along for the ride.

As i always said the Fantastic four would better as a TV series. The Tim Story films were "fine" cause they captured the characters correctly (these characters were made in the 60s) but as you said they are a family drama so character development needs to be done slowly with these characters. As a series the MCU could use them better as a vehicle to showcase new universes, time times and explore the marvel universe similar to the way they have always expanded the comics.

Having literally just rewatched both of the TIm Story films recently, I do think as films they are very fun and hold up pretty well. The chemistry between the team is fantastic but yeah Doom is absolutely terrible and his costume actually gets worse in the sequel and they definitely do fail to explore the crazier aspects of the story unfortunately.

You hit the mark bang-on. Really disappointed that there hasn't been a solid live action F4 movie, because the comics are so good! I feel like James Gunn would be a solid directing choice for an F4 movie. Both GOTG and The Suicide Squad do a great job of focusing of the familial aspects and interpersonal relationships that are associated with group dynamics. Though he would probably have to tone down the humor a bit to match the F4 tone.

I really liked the 2005 film it was the closest thing to the comics, it was fun and exciting I think the only thing I had a problem with was Dr. Doom making jokes that's about it.

They keep not emphasizing the family aspect of the Fantastic 4. Incredibles got it right just from the fact that it wasn't an origin story, so they could just introduce characters with powers and have them be a family from the start of the movie.

It really simplifies things to attribute the troubles to a curse. I like to think that the cause of said curse were those that greenlit the Corman version

The Fantastic 4 were favorites of mine, as a kid. I also grew up with the cartoons. At the time The first Story film was made, Studios were still trying to perfect the superhero genre. Before the 80s, There were not many SH movies ( Other than 2 Superman films with Chris Reeve) 1989's Batman was the next big DC franchise..a great stand alone movie! If and when the F4 is brought into the MCU Maybe that will help it to succeed

I would love to see you tackle what you personally think is the more accurate interpretation of hulk mark,bena or Edward? Or how you would make the perfect hulk movie. Me personally believe all interpretations have aspects that would make the perfect hulk story.

Fantastic Four just requires them to get creative with the Multiverse. If they stopped trying to make them modern and instead had them existing in a bizarre retro reality that gets caught up in the 'multiversal war', they could really work.

Put Brad Bird and John Byrne on as advisors. They understand what makes the team work. Look at Incredibles 1 and 2. It's about family who happen to be super-powered. They are a family of adventurers who sometimes get drawn into super-hero battles. Too bad the MCU made Tony Stark smarter than he was supposed to be. Makes it tough to show Reed as the smartest person. Modern Invisible girl's powers make her the toughest on the team which is great for MCU wokeness. And hopefully they won't forget Johnny is same age as Peter Parker and they become best of friends.

I still unironically feel that even if it wasn't a great finished product, since it kind of never was a finished product, the 1994 Fantastic Four movie is the closest we've ever gotten to an actual Fantastic Four movie. Even if the effects are very cheesy, and the audio is very poorly mixed a lot of the time, the performances in that movie (ESPECIALLY DOOM) definitely carry it.

Thank you. I think i have an idea now of how MCU would explain the absence of them so far. aside from probably not being the fantastic four yet - there's the fact that they're adventurers. you never see them in new york or wherever they are cuz they're probably busy being somewhere else

Yes! Finally some talk about fantastic four! Hope one day they’ll finally be properly portrayed on screen. The 2000s cartoon was the best.🤩

James Gunn has to be the perfect director for fantastic 4 family dynamic I mean look at guardians of the galaxy, we had no idea who they were and then we started liking their characters in the first movie

It can be done. The first two movies were comedy skits with a few boss fights, the last movie was as dry and lifeless as the planet they visited. They should explore a Negative Zone filled with bizarre are interesting life, similar to the Guardians of the Galaxy background characters

I still standby that the Roger Corman film is the best adaptation for film, so far. I hope the MCU can give us a Star Trek meets Family Drama here. Something similar to GOTG but still has its own style and can stand on its own feet.

I've heard a couple proposals for a F4 movie with Molecule man as the villain. I'd love to see that, also they could set up Doctor Doom for the sequel. In my opinion this would be terrific so they could take more time to develop the character. As for the FF themselves, just try to find a cast that actually has good family chemistry, and maybe it might not hurt to let the group spend some time together before the film is actually made.

This is always my argument for the FF. They're super heroes from a technical standpoint alone, they're more so adventurers. Reed doesn't really have powers, but he is the smartest person alive and scales way past Stark. The MCU sometimes has a problem where going bigger doesn't always mean it's better. Sometimes it feels crowded and you can miss the straightforward nature of going from an alien hellbent of intergalactic genocide and could just want a bad guy that's going to do something not as globally effective but much more personal for the hero. The FF were always the team that handled scale well. Dimensions, magic and science, all were faced by a family that felt like the accident not only brought them closer together, but gave them purpose. Another great video.

I like your coverage on the first family. You said pretty much how I feel. Let's hope the future will be fantastic

I have a soft spot for the Story films, though it has been a while since I last watched them. My ideal F4 film would be a family adventure film with a retro sci-fi feel. Almost like it was made in the sixties and set in what they thought today would be like.

I'm not a filmmaker nor am I a writer but I think a Star Trekish Fantastic Four with no Dr. Doom would be great. And make comic book accurate Dr. Doom solo movie later on have the Fantastic Four take on Dr. Doom or team up against Galactus.

That shot of what's supposed to be Reed's arm waving goodbye out the roof of the limo as it drives away at 3:35 is Cring 3000!! 🤣

So what you’re saying is The Fantastic 4 needs Dom Toretto!!!

An ode to one of the greatest comic book creations ❤️

Real poetic bro, love the ending

2:23 I appreciate the huge step forward

The first 2 with Cris Evans, Ian Grundruff and co was still good for that time! But i am sure Marvels Version will be very good. I fear if ever can get as good Wolverine like Hugh Jackman!

Not sure if it’s your voice or something but your videos always make me feel like rainy days and blankets

Well done, man. thanks.

I know that's a weird statement but the best way I can think of to make a good fantastic four movie would be to look at X-Men First Class. It was colourful, it's the only X-Men movie that made the yellow jumpsuits look cool so there wouldn't be a problem with fantastic four's blue jumpsuits, it had a 60s aesthetic without making it a period movie and a training montage like the one in that movie would be the perfect way to show the FF adjust to their powers.

I think the 90’s corman one could have actually been the 2000 X-Men and raimi spidey before those films if they just had a large budget

I think a big part of the problem too is that there has been no way in the past to do Thing or Reed without looking stupid with awful special effects, and then when effects are finally good enough we get an awful script. I have faith in the Watts adaptation.

i did learn to read with J.Kirby's FF. It still holds up

Jon Watts is the perfect director and choice for the Fantastic Four! He did three Spider-Man films like of course Homecoming, Far From Home, and No Way Home. He made the character Peter Parker go through what every teenage kid to go through, focusing more on Peter's side of going to school and taking on responsibility for himself. If Jon could make a superhero to come alive and pop out like Spider-Man, I think he can do the same with Fantastic Four. And yeah! they're more like a family, so I think Jon (Watts) could pull that off very well of a superhero team up, like Fantastic Four. I really like what you were getting! :D I totally agree!

They also barely touched on the Thor/Hulk rivalry in Avengers too. Imagine the 3way rivalry between the Hulk, The Thing and Thor. Each at one time or another if memory serves correctly would duke it out for who was stronger.

I actually think F4 as body horror is an interesting take, but it definitely wasn't the move at the time, and it needed a much better execution to work in any sense.

From what you said, i think F4 would really works as a series for starters, and after their backstorys family dynamics were established, near the end of the series they could start introducing doom and then make a movie to finish working on his arc

Great video!

I hope that when whoever disney picks for Mr fantastic in the mcu (if they haven't picked someone already) isn't too young. Someone who could realistically have silver streaks in his hair, and not a guy who looks fresh out of high-school like in fant4stic.

It is interesting how the Fantastic 4 movies have tried to differ from the source material unsuccessfully (although my personal bias, I love the first 2000s film). A great example of differing from the source meaningfully is Iron Man. Iron Man from the comics really doesn’t give too much of a hoot about anyone but himself. But Robert Downey Jr.’s Iron Man has a story arc. He has a family. He has a wildly different sense of self and values than the original comic book character. And you know what? It works! To great success. It’s honestly difficult to imagine the Iron Man and Avengers movies without the version of the character we see. What’s difficult about Fantastic 4 is… the differences from the comics do not meaningfully contribute to the story. And while I like the character in the movies, Dr. Doom is probably the biggest failing of all F4 films so far. He will be a huge challenge for Marvel to adapt to the big screen, but I’m excited to see how they do it.

Well that last one that went through all kinds of production hell.

I like the Tim Story films and I own a lot of related media to them. Fant4stic’s failure made the previous films stand out.

I quite like the 2000s fantastic four movies Chris Evans was great as the Human Torch and Michael Chiklis was great as the thing

0:17 Yo! Ray Holt whatcha doing there?

Muito bom. Uma boa perspectiva

The body horror element was the only good part of Trank’s film, not sure why that was the takeaway here. Sure the whole thing shouldn’t be Videodrome, but having these characters experience a shared trauma could be used as a great foundation in the right hands.

I personally liked the Tim Story movies. I mean they weren't perfect, but neither was Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy. For their time, both franchises felt like homey and engaging superhero stories on big screen feature-length films BEFORE that kind of thing got totally over-saturated by the MCU. I genuinely believe Tim would've gotten a third movie if he didn't decide to make Galactus into a f'kin cloud in the sequel.

I think it’s the fear of making something grounded but also realizing the absurd and having fun with it. It’s a balance of fun without being camp and grounded without being joyless.

You honestly said it perfectly how the stories have always focused on trying to follow the generic superhero algorithm rather than highlighting the uniqueness that comes from a group made up of space traveling nerds. I feel like the rise in popularity of DnD (which isn't typically thought of as space and scifi but has lots of translations/sibling modules) can really give a scifi adventure film that the band has needed all along

The moment they announced Jon Watts as director, I felt the movie was doomed. But coming off of No Way Home, my confidence has risen. I trust Marvel with their decisions.

The main problem is that they are ALWAYS against Dr. Doom

the Fantastic 4 are my favorite Marvel heroes/property, I am hopeful that we can get a good movie someday. I love that their dynamics, the reason Reed never had them adopt secret identities, the larger than life interdimensional adventures. Guardians of the Galaxy are the closest the MCU has gotten to what I look for in a FF film... here's hoping.

I like how the 94 movie depicted how they got their powers. I like the personalities of the mid 2000s and i like how sue and johnny were mixed family dynamics and sue is so weak cause she didn’t actually go through.

The Incredibles is a good FF movie, so clearly not impossible.

It’s not. We have The Incredibles

I am suddenly picturing the Fantastic Four doing something fun with the song "We Are Family" in the background!

Nice video man :]

It ain't impossible, both 2000s films were actually good.

F4 Earths Greatest Heroes was the best.

i like no love that the FF got to grow up have a family etc not many other characters get to do that. It's sad that comics now the characters stay the same and not get older have kids and maybe have legacy heroes. I enjoyed lot's of stories that had heroes grow up / retire.

You forgot about the play Tobias made in Arrested Development

I didn't really care for the F4 that much, cool abilities, but kinda lame imo. What I REALLY want is for them to finally make a good live action Dr. Doom, he's my favorite Marvel villain and it really sucks to see how they massacred my boy.

4th times the charm

Both iterations of live action Fantastic 4(2005 and 2015) had great 1st halves......they drop the ball when it comes to the villain and the 3rd act

Stan Lee was doing the interrelationship side of the comic. He said in an interview he was fed up with his job (not Fantastic Four, just his assignments up until then) and was talking to his wife, Joan,and decided he wanted to quit after the newest comic. Joan told Stan if we was going to quit, he may as well do a comic the way he wanted to for his last assignment. Stan said that’s the best advice he ever received an just wrote the Fantastic Four as a bickering New York family that loved each other through and through but had so many issues whenever they weren’t fighting whatever Kirby cooked up for them to fight, they were being pains in each-others’ super-butts. But the staff and readers loved it so much, Stan was given near complete creative control of his comics, stayed and the rest is history. Sadly Joan is no longer with us and Stan as returned to whatever cosmic force dropped him here on earth, so there is no one with any creative control over the movie rites willing to embrace that concept. But you can all thank Joan Lee for acting as the muse for Marvel’s First Family.

0:19 "Wait, when was the Fantastic Four on Brooklyn Nine-Nine?!"

Funy what you said about what makes the family sounds a lot like the dynamic of rebels and the ghost crew

John wats has a good track record if you watched the spiderman home trilogy. Both Mysterio and Vulture are pretty difficult to make a full live action but somehow John wats managed to pull off. He'll usually changed things but still retain the original things that make those characters unique.

I was very excited for the Trank version and was then let down when it came out. Watched it again about a month ago with no expectations and it wasn't the worst thing. Almost fit into the current MCU storylines even.

Found family is really popular in the fanfic universe. I think it’d be really great to see it on screen, esp with F4 who is supposed to be that at their core.

am I the only person who like the 2015 version? when it first came out I didn’t care for it but watching it last week I don’t think its not as bad as everyone says. the terrible suits add fuel to that fire. but besides that and their corny catch phrases here and there, this is a very solid reboot. I really enjoyed the horror like theme that was used when leaving the other dimension up until showing how it affected each one. very good stuff. You could see how powerful and vicious doom was too.

FF was more based on Kirby's Challengers of the Unknown. The Avengers were a response to the success of the JLA

Love the FF!

I legitimately believe that with how much the MCU, especially these days loves to add elements of comedies i to the films, I think MCU Fantastic Four whenever that happens will essentially be a superhero sitcom, which wouldn’t be a bad way to go about it.

0:17 genuinely thought this clip segment was pulled from a Brooklyn 99 episode

I don't think it's impossible to make a good Fantastic Four movie, you just need a solid cast, a good story and script with a director that stays completely faithful to the source material but keeps it fresh. As a huge fan of the FF, it really saddens me that they still can't get it right after all these years, they deserve a classic movie on the big screen, they're long overdue now. I'm really hopeful that the MCU can get the job done and do true justice to comic book's first family.

Dude,you are correct!!🎯💯👍🏻😁

Well, we'll get some sort of Reed tease in May. I hope we get the MCU Fan4 by 2026, announced this summer. There's a ton they can do with them the previous films can't. Just don't make them time travelers or something silly. Heck, a SWORD partnership makes perfect sense. Make Reed the lead scientist/astronaut; Ben the former USAF/NASA pilot; Sue a combination of Amy Ross (NASA) and Dava Newman (MIT) as a suit designer; and Johnny the cocky gifted intern. Partner the Future Foundation (funded by Doom) with SWORD in a SpaceX style venture.

It’s impossible bc the FF at their core are not fit for movie adaptations. While the super powered family dynamic has been done and done well, the FF are scientific explorers first and superheroes second. Most of their adventures have to do with going out into space, time travel, and dimension hopping. It wouldn’t really translate well in film but rather a serial series. They’re essentially Marvel’s Star Trek.

I love these characters - plus I love their villains: Doctor Doom and Super Skrull

Maybe try it like the resent Lost in Space…but with the Fantastic Four.

With all the hype surrounding John Krazinski as Mr. Fantastic, do you think he could direct/produce a Fantastic FF Movie? He did the Quiet Place, which centers around a family.