When a gpu is nearly a rent payment, it makes it hard to justify. Especially when a new one will be out in 1-2 years.

There was *never* a graphics card more than 500 bucks I was tempted to buy. The companies are nuts!

the problem with the high end gpu market, is that you can get an entire desktop PC system (with a good video card) for what they are asking for a single video card.

I'm still rocking my 1080 Ti. It works great for 1080p gaming. I would really enjoy an upgrade, but I can't justify the cost because I just dont have much time to play games anymore.

It's like nVidia and AMD are actively trying to kill PC gaming.

I remember when the most powerful cards were an eyewatering £400. Now you can pay double that and still be 2 or 3 tiers below the flagship card.

I think we also need to consider that the most popular games on PC right now are free-to-play esport games like Fortnite, Valorant, Apex and so on. And all of these run at 200 frames or more on pretty much every modern GPU, even on some APUs. The bigger market has no reason to change.

Got a RTX 2070 super right before the huge spike in prices, it lets me play all the games I enjoy on high or max setting with little to no stuttering for the most part, even 3 years on. I have literally no reason to get a better card.

The GPU market is a great lesson on how even if there is a duopoly, the market still has to compete with other products because 1600 dollars used to buy a GPU is 1600 dollars that could be used on a trip, new hobby, fancy dinner, tickets, Steam Deck, console, etc. People only have a certain amount of money and at some point they'll just use that money on something else.

During the crypto craze, Nvidia and AMD fell for the illusion that gamers want high end cards. Most don't care as long as your card can pump out more frames than your monitor can handle. Now that mining is dead, the performance/price is simply a massive overkill. I still have a 1650 Super and most games run fine. It feels like GPUs have reached the same kind of product maturity as smartphones.

It seems to me that the scalpocalypse kept game developers from leveraging the horsepower of the newer GPUs, since to sell games they had to accomodate people with several-year-old hardware. Then the market became flush with last gen's GPUs, those who wanted them went ahead and got them, and now there's no killer apps pushing recently sated gamers to the next generation. Games coming out today can run passably on hardware almost a decade old. And as far as I know there's no experience on PC that requires a 4080 to enjoy.

My current card is a Radeon RX 580, which I got in late 2020 before the GPU price hike and shortage. It still runs new games just fine. I mostly play indie titles and ports of older games nowadays so there's not much incentive to upgrade other than playing games in native 4K.

I remember a time where you didn't have to save up for months just to buy a PC component... but now it's insane

I had a 1060 up until a couple of weeks ago. I now have a 3070 that I picked up used for a very reasonable price. It’s quite the difference, but to be honest, the 1060 was still holding its on pretty well. Nvidia and AMD have lost their minds with this pricing.

I upgraded back in 2018 to a new PC with a RTX2080. Up until then, as far as I knew, the 1080 still was up there as one of the best cards and has been for years. Picture me surprised when NVIDIA released the 3080 just 2 years later.

I'd be building a new computer right now if prices weren't so ridiculous.

I'm worried about the very real possibility of getting laid off, and putting food on the table in the face of high inflation. I'm not worried about saving up so I can buy Jensen a new leather jacket. I don't care to run a portable space-heater PC with self-igniting cables and exotic cooling requirements, either. Lots of things pushing me away from upgrading my PC, and honestly, I don't really care anymore.

As someone who is more than overdue an upgrade (still running a 1070), the thing that's putting me off is that many of the AAA titles being benchmarked on a 4070ti or 4080 aren't achieving amazing results and so these cards don't look massively future proof. If I spend £1000-£1200 on a card I want it to last me about 6 years. Plus, a lot of recent games just don't appeal to me so it's hard to justify the purchase. I'll just wait until this thing completely packs up and then get something mid-range.

I remember scrounging up cheap used parts on ebay to get a decent gaming computer back in 2011-2015 it was super easy and it helped a lot of my friends get into pc gaming. Just something highschoolers could reasonably obtain if they really wanted it. No way this is the case now.

My GPU journey for the last 10 years was going from GTX 560 to a RX 480 to a RTX 2080, which still feels like the smartest thing I've ever did. Bought the 2080 from eBay for ~350€ when the next generation came along, so I've been comfortably looking at all these prices as they went by 😅

I was an avid hardware guy for years. Now though, once prices exponentially rose, I have tuned out of the hardware scene. I play on 1440p and am content with my old 8700k and 2080Ti. The only concession I took two years ago was to double RAM from 16 to 32 GB. I’m happy and play everything I want to play.

Blows my mind when you can buy a full rig with a beast graphics card for just slightly more than the card you want on its own. THAT IS INSANE!

I'd been wanting to upgrade my entry level graphics card for something better, now that I've gotten more experience in gaming. But, the high prices kept me playing with the one I had. Recently it started having problems, so I started looking around again. Surprisingly the prices have started going down and I picked up a new 8 gig RX6600 at a decent price. It was already discounted 20% and I added my relative's 10% discount because they work at Amazon, where I bought it. The difference in my gaming experience is HUGE and it I didn't have to mortgage the house to do it!

what is this game with racing 4:21 and what gpu is needed for that performance?

The prices are just insane for the amount of actual "upgrade" you are getting from version to version. Scalpers and Cryptominers drove the price beyond all reason for most people. It is a price point issue -- you can get people to pop out $400 if you can see a serious visual difference, but the plus $1K market is going to be small.

I upgraded to a 12 GB 3080 last year and it hasn't disappointed. I can probably wait for Nvidia's 80xx cards to come out before I consider upgrading. A video card is a discretionary purchase, and if you think about it, both AMD and Nvidia need us a lot more than we need them. RTX 4090, $2500. Really? They must be smoking some pretty good stuff.

What was the name of the racing game that you showed in this video?

When the nvidia 2000 and, not long after, 3000 series were announced (and their equivalents), I bought extras of the GPU I still use which is the gtx 1080 and 1080 TI. Got them before prices spiked. One of the best PC decisions I've ever made.

I got tired of the market manipulation. It made me realize that my need is stronger than my want.

I spent about 2 year thinking about upgrading my RTX2080… but now I'm just sick of the daft prices. So I'm going give Nvidia the finger, and making do with what I've got.

Hi what graphic card are able to run red alert 3 smoothlt 1060 enough??

This is the first time in my life I’m actually considering getting a console rather than upgrading my PC. It’s not even an issue of being able to afford it, I just cannot justify the price no matter how I spin it.

It's insane how the price of high end gpus doubled and some even tripled since the great crypto rush.

I got a graphics card back in 2017 before they started to skyrocket...my monitors are 1080p and 1440p. And the eye has a hard time seeing an actual difference for more than 60 fps... now please remind me why i need to upgrade from what i got now if it was able to handle that already?

Many creators warned that GPU makers scalping consumers for their stimulus checks during a crisis would have long term negative impact on interest. I understand once a corporation can make quadruple margins its hard to go back but the way they keep trying to artificially stimulate the market to fit that fantasy has only made it worse. Gaming has had total collapse in the past and its certain to occur again. Perhaps its now, and frankly i am glad for it. Its the only hope for a return to quality and value across the gaming industry. Great vid, nailed it!

40 series has brought substantial gen on gen performance and feature improvements, it's just the pricing that is out of whack. Crypto blew up GPU values to insane levels and nVidia forgot what the market is like when it's just gamers.

it was helpful to hear the suggestion you gave here about checking your needs for the GPU with the games you want to play. thank you.

As someone who only played old times RTS, I was wondering if I really need better gpu than GeForce GT 740 DDR5 now (lol). Running everything smoothly on High or better with just 30-40% usage. Should there be great RTS like new Generals, Red Alert or Starcraft... then maybe.

10 years ago, every new generation of GPUs were huge upgrade. It was always tough to decide whether to buy or wait, since so much progress was happening so fast. Last years, only thing that's been rising fast is prices. Yes, of course performance of new cards is somewhat better, but not at the level you'd really need to buy them or felt forced to buy them. And game devs have to make games mostly to fit what rigs people have so things have stalled a bit. Really, prices should come down or there should be bigger improvements in performance for most looking to get new GPU.

The biggest challenge for tech channels is that the Great GPU Price Crash that everyone waited for never really happened. I was LUCKY to get a 30-series card at (inflated) MSRP, and that was at the lowest dip possible here in Norway. That sucks. It's nowhere near the reasonable prices people hoped for. Of course that leads to resignation and disinterest. The only GPU news I'm interested in right now is Intel Arc. Where are all the millions of crypto farm GPUs? Where are all the scalped cards people were sitting on? We know they exist. Some of them have turned up in South America, with their chips literally painted over to look new. That explains some of it, but what about the rest? This is the kind of news I would like to see tech channels reporting on right now. Tech channels should give their test rigs some rest and adapt to meet what people want to see.

I was interested, but with supply issues and markups, I bought a Lenovo legion 17" laptop with a 3060, and planned on building a custom PC with the 40s series. Then the 40 series was so expensive, and other pc parts were so expensive that it just makes sense to keep my 3060 laptop. I use a controller and an external monitor and game at 1080p with other settings maxed and I'm happy with it

Still rocking a 1080 non ti. Rt stuff didn't really interest me and only in the last generation have I even considered upgrading; in large part due to the crazy inflated costs and the nerfed price to performance ratio compared to 10 series and previous. If I did pick one up I'd prolly look at the 7900 xt, but want to wait to see what the 7800 looks like and how black friday deals will affect pricing. What do yall think, is the 7900xt worth it? I suspect there's no way to say its not going to be a substantial performance boost but the price to performance has had me riding a fence for months or maybe years as I consider the upgrade. Frankly I'd like to see the 4090 come down to $1,000 while something like the 7900xt would be around 600ish. Basically a return to form for 10 series and previous generation cards rather than these over priced rt cards that have to run only partial rt with their dlss or w/e because the hardware just is not capable of dealing with this without disabling areas or reducing quality. Anyways id love to get any feedback on this, thanks for your time.

My old 3700k system lasted 8 years with one upgrade to a 1080ti. I built a new PC right before the price boom (cyberpunk 2077 hype was real) and actually was able to buy a 3080 on release day for MSRP. I don't see me upgrading for a long time unless they drop prices down to a reasonable level again.

I still remember buying my first card, a Voodoo 3 2000. This thing was maybe 2 models away from the very top range and only cost maybe 200 bucks, if that. It's really simple. The corporations may say this or that as to why the prices are rising, but the reality is because we only have two companies that make them to any standard, and the CEOs of both are cousins.

Many people like myself paid so much for the 3xxx series that there is no reason good enough to get ripped off again on the 4xxx series. I personally paid $999 for an MSI Gaming X Trio 3070 ti. Still feeling stupid for paying so much during the shortage, but I really needed an upgrade during the Covid/mining days.

I built my rig when the 10 series released and it was low end, I'm talking 6gig 1060 and an i5 6500 with 16gigs of ram, it's still going strong and I don't plan on upgrading till this pc either dies or hardware prices drop significantly. It does what I need without question and if it starts to get slow it usually means I need to clean the fans, after that it's basically good as new.

I'm still actively looking to buy a GPU, but get discouraged when I'm faced with buying a "new" GPU that was released almost 3 years ago, or buying one that costs twice as much for a small uplift.

I'm using a 4th gen intel from 2012. Can any one recommend me some decent Specs for my new build?

I recently upgraded to a 144 hz monitor with my old 580 and it's doing fine. I wish I could update to an RTX for all of that raytracing and AI optimizations but a card that does that nicely and is also a valuable upgrade from my 580 is simply too expensive to even consider.

Because my current card, a Radeon RX 570, is still holding up well enough for all the games that I'm interested in. The RX 570 aged surprisingly well even though I think it was considered a budged card even for it's time. It is struggling at the newest games, but I am less and less interested in the big AAA releases anyway. Nowadays I like diving into the past for the old time classics and overlooked titles.

I've been on a GTX 960 since 2015 and it's gotten to the point where I can't play newer games anymore, but I also can't really upgrade because even the low-end cards have seemed super expensive for what they are. It sucks.

I was actually thinking of upgrading my GPU from 2070 Super to a 3080 but go used since the prices are floating around 450$. The reason for upgrading is I really want to be able to run Starfield at 1440p 60fps and from what I’ve seen the jump isn’t insignificant. But what do you think?

Agree. I was thinking of upgrading my 3070 to 4070 12GB, but then decided to wait and upgraded to 3080Ti for USD 450 only and sold my 3070 for USD 350, I consider that a good upgrade and now will wait for 5 series or 8 series from AMD and pricing, backbone being o/c 4.7Ghz 5600X with 32GB and SSDs.

I think nvidia underestimated how elastic graphics card demand actually is.

Have to agree but it is a huge mistake by both AMD and Nvidia as if they lose the interest of the core gamer market that brought them all this success going back so many years, it will be over. Also making a profit is of course the goal but my God, they are just rubbing it in right now and almost laughing at us from on high as they price the most important customer that being the low to mid range gpu buyer out of the market..

The concern isn’t focused solely on price tiers per expected performance, but also the fidelity at which the cards can run at. Buyers are the older RTX 3000 and rx 6000 are plenty good enough to play at nearly all resolutions while taking a hit to graphical settings. So the newest gen can provide a few more fps. Only if you’re playing 4k and for the few at 8K would the new gen be worth it. Then there’s the cost component as well.

I put together my pc back in the early days of 2020 before the whole fiasco. Had a 5700xt and a 3600, felt really good but in the end fast forward to the beginning of 2023 I snagged a red devil 6950xt for 700 bucks and got a 5600x for 150 and now im very satisfied with my pc and most likely won't upgrade anytime soon maybe 5 years from now. Still waiting for the whole am5 platform to go down in price, because for ram cpu and a new motherboard now would be around the 600 dollar mark and thats insane.

The problem Nvidia and AMD had was they expected everyone to continue upgrading. Lots of people only got PC's from covid benefits. And not as many people are still looking.

The first pc I built back in 2010 had a Radeon HD 4850 512 MB. It was like $140 and my total pc was $512. I cut grass for weeks to raise that money. Those days are over. I would never tell a kid now to get a PC because of how expensive it is.

What was that first game he showed with the guy riding a horse through a town?

What is the game at 7.00 - thanks

I'm still using a GTX 1080. For my last few PC builds I've just been getting a lot of use out of my hardware-- I had a Haswell setup for the longest time (until 2021 I think?) and then finally upgraded to an AM4 build (5600X, 32GB ram). I'm way overdue for a GPU upgrade at this point, but first the pandemic / crypto crisis pricing-- and even just the literal time / effort investment required to buy a product at any price due to shortages-- put me off when I did the AM4 upgrade. Then it got close to current-gen GPU launch time, and I didn't want to pay launch-day MSRP for a 30-series card that was on its way out. Then the current gen stuff arrived, the prices for last-gen stayed at full MSRP, and the price of the new hardware was literally ridiculous. Fuck off: I'm not paying over a thousand dollars for a mainstream flagship graphics card. I'm not paying $900 for a gimpy mid-range card that can't even do 4k properly running today's games, let alone have any headroom for future releases. And I'm not paying $1,600-2,000 for a 4090 because low-volume halo / techdemo cards have always been a dumb flex for people with too much money. I feel like GPUs are in a similar situation to where CPUs were during the long-ass stagnation period of Intel Core dominance-- yeah, there were new products every year but they were expensive and they didn't offer any substantial performance improvements in real-world use cases for people who play games as a hobby. It's just not worth spending thousands of dollars to slightly increase a benchmark score each year. The reality is that I can still play all the games I actually want to play-- which is not many these days anyway, since like many of us I'm regrettably a fucking adult now-- on my GTX 1080. I spent a little money this year dropping a 5800X3D into my system because it actually does a lot more for performance in a game I enjoy (Escape from Tarkov) than a GPU upgrade would have. Tarkov is the most demanding title I play (pretty much the only other games I've played in years are EVE Online-- a MMO from 2003-- and Valorant, which I play casually with some friends). I play at 1440p/144hz. Neither of those games needs any more GPU horsepower to be playable in that configuration. My last PC upgrade, I did so that I could get actual playable framerates in CoD: MW. I actually needed more CPU cores, more mhz, and more RAM to make that happen. But now? I didn't even buy the new CoD game because it looks worse to my eye than its predecessor. All the titles I do play are old. Until I decide to switch to 4k displays, or someone drops some must-play title that wrecks PCs, why would I spend extortionate amounts of money on a graphics upgrade that I don't even need?

$300 is my sweet spot. The last card I bought was a $230 Geforc 1050 GTX. I am not a big gamer and if I can't find a good deal, I will stick with what I've got.

I am still using 1050. I have been working in some computer repair shop so I still have access to their components services. I am interested in 3070 12 gig oc since I do a lot of 3D work and I am getting to more complex stuff (I do level design...). Basically the price in the store is from 600-750 USD and I can get it for around 400-450 USD. So, they are getting them under $400. This means that the prices are almost doubled in the stores. I am in East Europe so there is also the shipping factor, but not to that degree...

I’m on a 5600X and a 2070S. May swap out the mobo (currently a B450 chipset) but outside that, I’m not touching a thing for the foreseeable future.

My GTX 760 still handles a lot of my 1080p game needs, upgrading to a 2070s at the end of this month. The beauty of running cards until they don't work is it's soo easy and cheap to upgrade to crazy levels.

I think one part you haven't mentioned is indie games. They are going strong and run fine on 1080p60 due to the nature of their graphic style or gameplay pace. Whether it's people not upgrading their rigs that are making them popular or they are just getting better quality is up for debate. Another thing affecting prices is the prosumer market. AI, 3D and video rendering, Adobe, all use the graphics cards now. Small businesses and prosumers are buying up the latest Nvidia cards for these. They will drop launch prices to get the 4090 to swap out their 3090 ASAP, because money is made on those machines.

I didn't realize how powerful the graghics on the newer motherboards are. I played mw2 on medium settings with no video card.

Waiting for Starfield for years my rig is getting older and older. These prices nowadays are really sad. My old Ryzen 5 3600 with RX5700XT OC from Gigabyte need to last for a while still. Thanks for FSR and for playing @1080p, otherwise I don't know what I would do...

So true. I maintain a PC hardware affiliate website and the sales are incredibly low. It's like 2-3 times less compared to 2021.

AMD has already admitted that they're shortdropping shipments intentionally, because the increased prices actually brought them in more profit. So, they are intentionally keeping demand higher than supply now so they can keep the prices jacked up.

I was already sticking with my old hardware i5 9600k/RTX 2070 a system built for 1080p gaming but due to an unexpected monitor death, I found my rig lacked te necessary fps for 1440p gaming. Sure I'd love a 4090 but $2K? After looking at 3080Ti and similarly priced cards which were effectively "last gen" I decided after carefully considering the performance, that a 4070Ti was pretty much exactly what I needed. Yes it was expensive, but it was available and at MRRP, paired with i5 13600kf I'm reasonably happy (that $900 price niggles but the mobo price increase was more of a shock tbh) my advice when building a PC, decide on the performance level you want to reach, and assemble a list of products capable of that performance. Overall the cost of the 4070Ti build wasn't that much higher (made huge savings on NVMe drives compared to 3 years ago and RAM too) given the massive jump in performance.

Remember: There are a ton of older games you can play, you don't need a new GPU. Let them choke on their stock. If your old GPU breaks, buy an APU instead of a GPU. Intel Pentium G604+motherboard would be a lot cheaper than even the cheapest first hand GPU, and it can still run old games.

Honestly I've been so happy with my 5900X and 6800XT I decided to go for a custom loop and call it a day for the next 10 years.

Has nothing to do with caring or not caring. Most people just cant afford an upgrade.

Still on my MSI 2080 Duke and no plans to upgrade this generation. Maybe the 50xx will be different since I've have my 2080 since a couple months after launch.

I bought a 2070 in 2018 and till this day its still working. I can still play pretty much every game at either 1440p or 1080p. Sure I have to lower my gfx settings abit, and I may not get Full 60fps but who cares when gfx cards now cost so much and from the looks of it is just minor incremental improvements. I can totally take my time to wait. I'll probably only upgrade when they release the 6070 or even 7070.

With the insane price gouging and artificial scarcity over the past 3 years, is it really a surprise people aren't in a hurry to buy GPUs?

So what is the best bang for buck mid range card, 3060? I still have my old PC that I built many years ago with Asus Strix 980 Ti and its been going really strong, but some new games require alot more Vram, so I am thinking of 3060 with 12gb

I'm still using my 1070TI. This is the longest I've ever used a video card because an upgrade of the same tier level now is absurdly expensive. I can afford a new one but I can't justify it because my card still gets the job done.

My desktop I built in 2018 has a 1060ti. I just ordered a 4060ti this past weekend. I'm glad to see prices have come down some, but they are still too high for most consumers.

Seems that Nvidia's driver updates for older GPUs are deliberately slowing performance down to get customers to buy the new ones...just like Apple was doing with their old iphones to get people to buy their new ones...

the vega, rx 5000 series and rtx 2060/2070 were quite good deals for their time. nowadays theres practically no mid range anymore.

Where are the games worth updating for? I can only upgrade the framerate on Skyrim so much.

The latest thing I upgraded like a year ago was my CPU and RAM going from a Ryzen 5 3600X and 8 GB if ram to an i7 12700KF with 32 GB of ram. But I kept my GPU a 2080 super that I got when it came out for $700. I’ve been recently thinking about upgrading but never saw the worth in it. The amount of performance i’ll get for the games I play isn’t worth the money I would spend, which could go to better peripherals like a monitor. Although being able to make use of my 1000W PSU wouldn’t hurt 🗣️

People are back at work and money is tight right now with ballooning prices on everything including GPUs. Hopefully nvidia takes a massive hit this generation.

I am still very much into PC gaming (since the 90s) and I would totally buy a 4070/4080. I could afford it I just won't at the prices that are out there so, until the prices drop significantly, I'm happy to wait. If I have to wait until the 5000 series nVidia cards come out and get a 4000 series then I will do that.

Tbh my 1660s has held up pretty decent, and would probably upgrade my motherboard and cpu next along with my ram. While it can handle most current gen games such as red dead 2, vr titles such as medal of honor above and beyond, along with some rather buggy stuff like star citizen, I do think once games like gta 6, starfield and armored core 6 come out, it will probably start running into issues then.

My GTX 1060 I bought seven years ago still runs everything, so why would I upgrade?

I honestly think there's also a platou we've reached. We aren't getting as big of leaps any more. Each new series just feels incremental compared to the last so it really is not worth it to upgrade until 3 gens later. That along with better optimized games that still look great on lower settings you can easily wait far longer now between upgrades than ever.

You said what I am sure that everyone else is thinking. Some how the manufactures forgot these card are something we play with and they can only get so much for a toy.

I have a GTX 160 6GB but I feel like I would enjoy an upgrade. What should I do : - Just wait until better market values? - Or is there a specific card that has a great value for its price nowadays? (I'm not looking for high end performances, only something that allows me to play future games at 60fps in 1080)

Still rockin the 1080 ti, mostly emulate stuff anyway & occasionally new play games. Still plenty good, I would have to build a New PC to upgrade so I'm waiting to at least 5 series or even 6 series fr.

I've been doing tons of research in hopes of educating myself on all the different parts and terms with desktop computers, and now that I've gotten a good grasp on all the different parts I'm mostly just waiting until some stuff releases that's actually worth the price before I make my dream build.

For me, it's between needing a card that fits under 310 mm (midsized case), doesn't have a crippled memory bus (looking at you 4070 ti), and doesn't spontaneously combust due to "user error".

still running my old PC rig with a 2080Ti and doing quite fine... had to re-paste the GPU a few weeks ago as it began to overheat, but other than that, no issues and no need to spend a ton of money for a 30xx or 40xx generation of cards (only using Nvidias as I have very bad experience with Radeon)

this vid hits accurately on my thoughts as as someone looking for a gpu ill wait or buy used. heck it makes you wonder if they arent trying to intentionally kill the game custom pc market so the industry can move over to something more mass produced like the steam deck or console like pc.

I'm really overdue for an upgrade, but prices here is Brazil are really really hard to justify, pouring 3 to 4 months worth of pay for what is considered "budget" out there is just a bad taste in my mouth. I have an ancient Intel from 2013 running a 1060 (the 3gb one cus it was much, much cheaper at the time and a sizeable upgrade from the 660 the pc came with). Which was all bought with mom's money at the time, but even now I'm really struggling to justify buying a whole new PC with my own money, the games I enjoy are mostly indie or are old enough to not need new hardware.

Price went from £400 to £2000 and then the fuel bills went up 200% when the new cards went 6x more power draw.

just bought a 6800 xt that was a bit over 100$ off on a best buy sale to upgrade from my 3060 laptop (was originally looking for a 3070 ti). only reason i even ate the over 500 dollar purchase for a gpu was because amazon had a 5600x for sale at 50% of during their prime day and ive had this x570 motherboard (plus ram & case) just sitting around the past 2-3 years. the 3060 asus laptop is great and all but is pretty limited in alot of cases, like the 6 gb vram the 4 core i7 cpu & the fact that i cant fully clean the fans without removing the heatsink, which sadly has a stripped screw on the cpu (or gpu dont remember) bracket and im not 1 for taking a drill that close to the die power delivery or vital mobo traces