Why Snakes Are Associated With the Demonic and Lies | Jonathan Pageau & Fr. Andrew Damick

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Jonathan Pageau - Clips

Күн бұрын

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@zaferozveren1244
@zaferozveren1244 3 жыл бұрын
In Turkish: Yalan = a lie Yılan = a snake
@ScotsThinker
@ScotsThinker 2 жыл бұрын
Turkish language seems poetically accurate. I can see why C.S Lewis chose the Turkish name for Lion for his Allegorical Character in Narnia.
@bradshacalypse
@bradshacalypse 3 жыл бұрын
There's definitely something to the idea of having thoughts that may not be your own. Anyone interested in that topic should look into Jerry Marzinksy's work. He's a retired psychotherapist who actually listened to the "voices" in the heads of schizophrenics for over 35 years, and he found that they are absolutely NOT mere hallucinations. These "voices" all seem to have the same agenda: to utterly break the person they're communicating with by any means they can, which usually manifests as impersonating one's thoughts so as to be indistinguishable from one's own and saying nasty, horrible things to make the person feel like they're this monster of a human being when in actuality they aren't. And the scary thing is that these aren't just limited to schizophrenics, they're just extreme cases. We ALL have them, to varying degrees. I know I struggle with them all the time. These "voices" really do behave like classical demons, which has to make one wonder... are they demons?
@aramkaizer7903
@aramkaizer7903 3 жыл бұрын
That's really interesting. I'd like to know more. Got a source?
@aramkaizer7903
@aramkaizer7903 3 жыл бұрын
In recent times. I have intuited that there is a part of the human being that is this caustic destructive force that will try to latch on to everything in your thoughts just to destroy. It would like to manifest in you in a manner that would either cause you to destroy others or yourself. I have experienced this myself. I have unravelled many of the deep roots of manifestation that this spirit has planted in me. And it is very ugly. Is this thing a part of me? Or is it something else.
@bradshacalypse
@bradshacalypse 3 жыл бұрын
@@aramkaizer7903 I first discovered Marzinsky's work through Freeman Fly's podcast "The Free Zone", which you can watch here --> kzfaq.info/get/bejne/o9SiqKao2dLXd2Q.html that's probably a good starting point. He also has a website, www.jerrymarzinsky.com/ where you can delve deeper into his research if you like.
@aramkaizer7903
@aramkaizer7903 3 жыл бұрын
@@bradshacalypse I've wondered. How does this all factor in to the Jungian Shadow. I haven't really completely made that connection clear yet. It seems as if Jung was operating under a completely different paradigm if there isn't a common pattern
@bradshacalypse
@bradshacalypse 3 жыл бұрын
@@aramkaizer7903 I've been wondering that myself. After pondering it a while, I've come up with this... Where the Jungian Shadow is the culmination of all the rejected aspects of one's personality (some more or less benign than others) and thus is unique to each individual, these "voices", on the other hand, are almost identical in malicious intent across every individual haunted by them; all seemingly trying to utterly break down their target. Here's a useful analogy - if the Jungian Shadow is all the clutter and mess in one's closet that one has put away (just stuff they'd rather not deal with for whatever reason), these "voices" would be something like an invasive intruder from elsewhere hiding among that clutter, hellbent on harming the person in some way. That's just how I've wrapped my head around the whole thing, some useful food for thought, perhaps. I could be wrong, though. Maybe the "voices" are indeed aspects of the Shadow, but that have taken on a life of their own somehow. Or maybe they're non-corporeal parasites that flock to psychological trauma like flies to feces in order to feed off that entropic energy. Who knows for sure? Definitely something to research further.
@Oldkingcole1125
@Oldkingcole1125 3 жыл бұрын
Watching this on my break and won’t get to see the whole thing before break is over. I just wanted to say thanks for this video, and I love your videos. Told my dad about your zombie video. You’re helping me and others to think with more perspective.
@terryblanchard1644
@terryblanchard1644 2 жыл бұрын
Great use of your work break. Cudos!
@kevinzalac8945
@kevinzalac8945 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate these clips. I listened to this whole episode months ago. But I forgot this gem of thoughtlines. This is often the case with the clips. So thank you.
@kennyblobbin
@kennyblobbin 3 жыл бұрын
Super helpful. Thank you. Keep em coming.
@viravirakti
@viravirakti 3 жыл бұрын
Also, to put the simbol within a modern, scientific frame, the snake is a creature (former lizard) who lost his legs (which elevate and mobilise or free the body) and went down or fell back on the ground (became one, in full body contact with it: "you shall eat (be like, be one with) the dirt"), on a lower level of existence, material, earthly, (going) in the opposite direction of God, the direction towards which all the rest of creation tends to. And that's why we are "the children of the serpent/devil", because of our inclination towards sin, vices, bodily passions, earthly life and rebellion against God and holiness. Because of our fallen nature. And Christ came to reverse that by taking the place of the sinner on the cross (prefigured by Moses' bronze serpent hanged on a stake, to save the people bitten by snakes), by changing our nature, our life, our direction and by showing and giving us a holy model to follow. The snake is also a symbol of the bodily passion and appetite, through the way he eats his prey: the image of a snake swallowing an whole animal, even larger than his own head, mouth and body (so that the jaws and the stomach are stretched at maximum) it's one of the most horrendous and grotesque in nature.
@oldmanlogan9616
@oldmanlogan9616 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Very interesting insight
@GeistGuard
@GeistGuard 3 ай бұрын
It's like when you ask for a manager at a store and then some guy comes up who says he is a manager but isn't really a manager, it's the fuzzy shroud of corporate beaurocracy that acts as an anesthesia and a numbing confusion that makes you forget what you where going to ask in the first place or so mad you give up
@Ggdivhjkjl
@Ggdivhjkjl 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing this.
@MrMemnok
@MrMemnok 3 жыл бұрын
A Letter to Basalisk : For low is the serpant And High is the Cloud "How can I reach?" In pride did ye howl. Cunning I made thee, But Wisdom ye lack Heel over head Ye will not be back Through dasterdly secrets And ransomed attempt Much Blood did ye spill To aid thines ascent But here do ye fall No hands ye to grasp For did ye foget, That ye are an asp? This height ye have climeb From the beginning of time Brought forth great pain For Death is not Kind. Ye shall fall to the fires And burn with desires For ye have created The wallow of mires. Be gone for Good For this Time be New This Cloud Everlasting To whom drink of its Dew No place here for sadness Son shines thru a Cloud While ye burn there forever, amongst the sinner,the rebel,the proud.
@josepharnett7256
@josepharnett7256 3 жыл бұрын
Very nice
@christophersnedeker2065
@christophersnedeker2065 2 жыл бұрын
The cockatrice is seen among the creatures of the holy mountain of Isaiah.
@paulo2357
@paulo2357 3 жыл бұрын
Why the original sin is interpreted as rebellion?
@BobelPop
@BobelPop 2 жыл бұрын
If you read where Satan spoke to Eve in Genesis 3:4, 5 it reads: "4And the serpent said unto the woman,-Ye shall not die. 5 For God doth know, that in the day ye eat thereof, then shall your eyes be opened,-𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙮𝙚 𝙨𝙝𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙗𝙚𝙘𝙤𝙢𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙠𝙚 𝙂𝙤𝙙, knowing good and evil." Jesus mentioned to the Jews when he accused them of being of their father the Devil, he pointed out that the Devil spoke of his own disposition rather than staying in the truth. Satan made his move in Eden promoting his idea of usurping the divine throne promoting his greedy lust for power to Eve and making it very appealing to her without her understanding the details of it all would lead to, hence the lie was needed.
@BeABereanActs1711
@BeABereanActs1711 7 күн бұрын
Would love to hear more expounded upon of the rejection of these “false” or “antichrist” thoughts from the deceiver as a mean toward holiness. I may have read too much into the statement, but in my own life when paying careful attention to my own thoughts, when I reject out right what I know to be antithetical to Scripture and choose instead to believe to God’s Word no matter how I feel about it or understand it, I’ve seen growth and a form of supernatural strength against these negative/deceptive/grotesque thoughts.
@monicsala6639
@monicsala6639 Жыл бұрын
Does he sell merch on Amazon? I found Matheau's book but would love some art. Its gorgeous! I'm an amateur portrait artist but gosh, that's so talent.
@andycochrane4131
@andycochrane4131 2 жыл бұрын
Once, around 15 years ago, on a whim I went out and had an enormous dragon tattooed in the centre of my chest. I don’t know why.
@user-xf9bj6lh8m
@user-xf9bj6lh8m 3 жыл бұрын
One distinction which I’ve come across was between two sort of opposing forces: Satan aka. -- ( a name I probably best left unsaid) -- and Lucifer. One is a rather conservative figure and sticks to traditional life, the other - one of incessant and unceasing change. Although essential for the ability to even think about discerning between the two, the intimate differences are too subtle and nuanced to lay out here (assuming I was even capable, which is unlikely). However, I’ll pass along a little of the already infinitesimally small bits of information I am aware of. The first of these demands order and structure - to the point of absolute tyranny in order to again and preserve it. The latter, ‘change’ and ‘progress’ to the point of sadism or hatred as key virtues if they are the only and last perceived ‘original’ options available. The problem is that both devils/demons/dragons/etc. are needed for wholeness, but they must be subjugated or bow to the Holy One.before they can die and be transformed into an instrument of TRUTH.
@nickyalexa7744
@nickyalexa7744 2 жыл бұрын
So how can the snake simultaneously be a sign of healing and a sign of lying? Was Moses not the great hero and truly a deceiver, which would explain why he carried the snake staff?
@sandrag6575
@sandrag6575 2 жыл бұрын
Moses was not a deceiver. That's man depiction of Moses' rod.
@traceursebas
@traceursebas Жыл бұрын
In the ancient world snakes were seen as divine beings, as people thought them to be immortal because they shed their skin and seem to be rejuvenated. Divine beings therefore had healing properties.
@TechnoirGraphix
@TechnoirGraphix 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you can ask Fr Damick why he believes there are three natures in the Trinity. Because that is a twisted notion he never rectified.
@user-tm5em4vu7u
@user-tm5em4vu7u 7 ай бұрын
Why are snakes associated with satan?
@gllarocque
@gllarocque Жыл бұрын
The snake embodies the curse that God gave it. It's not a myth. God said what happened..mr christian
@LukeRup.
@LukeRup. 3 ай бұрын
?
@KW-mz4pn
@KW-mz4pn 2 жыл бұрын
Jonathan shouldn’t people on your show NOT be saying the names of the demons? Not good Guys, not good.
@TonyTones123
@TonyTones123 2 жыл бұрын
I understand your concern but there is no need to fear the demons because Christ said we don’t have to fear them. They’re having a very Christian conversation about Scripture and the symbolism within it
@brendangolledge8312
@brendangolledge8312 2 жыл бұрын
Where is the proof that these beings actually exist?
@Tou-Immanuel
@Tou-Immanuel Жыл бұрын
Bro this is a channel about understanding symbolism, not science backed history. Also dinosaurs and titanoboas existed if you want something close enough.
@LukeRup.
@LukeRup. 3 ай бұрын
They dont exist like that
@jaybanks2709
@jaybanks2709 Жыл бұрын
the serpent in the Garden was not a snake but and angelic being snake-like in appearance and nature the fruit was indeed sex guys this channel is just wrong
@svijetlanradov8235
@svijetlanradov8235 11 ай бұрын
What lol??
@xXxXKusKusXxXx
@xXxXKusKusXxXx 8 ай бұрын
Your attitude betrays you
@LordJagd
@LordJagd 2 жыл бұрын
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