Holding the weight over the head while doing thrusts is a waste of time. There is no resistance through the hips…..

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@@jerzey22 I think you missed the joke brother 😂

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@@jerzey22went right over your head lol

I always wondered!

You keep a kettlebell on your night stand?

With the thrusting too?

Turks can ligma

Can u make me iskender

You know exactly what he’s training for

DuuuuuuuH

Asking for a restraining order if you pull that in the gym lol

Duhhhhh😊l

That's his turkish getting up

yeah really, having done BJJ I have absolutely grabbed a collar to frame and stood to base.

​@@BigBADSTUFF69Dr Mike is a brown belt but does mostly no gi from what I can tell.

Derrick Lewis doesn't stand up to base though. His is more of a wrestler's stand up.

"Aight....imma stand up now"

@@shrimuyopa8117 Does he even do it like a wrestler? Because his standups look casual AF and it's bonkers haha

Agreed

And making them.

​@@user-rn1ws5id8hThe hip thrust and zercher squats are better.

Yeah I pick up my babies with one hand at full arm extension

Whenever I pick up my little boy and stand up, I always think about turkish get up for some reason and it's probably because of that standing part from one knee down position. I hate turkish get ups, I never do them and I am just about fine. TGUs are a meme exercise imho but who am I to judge the others based on their exercise choices.

have to agree with this. kinda weird because hes a brown belt at bjj, though

​@beingofstrange He learned pretty quickly that both weak minded humans & the algorithm confuse negativity for expertise and just criticizes everything.

Watch the whole video he explains it more. Has absolutely nothing to do with hypertrophy and more so a better exercise selection that carries over to the sports that people generally train Turkish get ups for.

Couldn't be more wrong about him & his views. Sorry your workouts have always been huge wastes of time, that's not his fault.

​@@beingofstrangeyou should watch some of his videos

hes a brown belt

Even if you don't stand up against resistance, it can help you get up faster and staying in balance

The only time you need a technical standup is against resistance. Otherwise you can just… regular standup 😂

@@nk-jz2jgThen he should turn it in, because the point of the technical standup is so you can stand up without being pushed over.

@@tjl4688 and ur above a brown belt I should assume then

same here, I started doing it to help my popping shoulders

Dead hangs helped me with popping shoulders. Try it out as well

It’s good for way more than the shoulder. And if you don’t know that, you or the person coaching you doesn’t understand that. Much like this chap. Proximal stiffness and distal mobility…

​@@BrodeyDoverosxproximal stiffness and distal mobility of what?

@@BrodeyDoverosx ok. I didn't say it wasn't good for anything else. I just said it IS good for shoulder stability

😅👍naked Truth

Damn.

Would a 1969 Mustang be better than a 2024 Mustang?

@@DaddyC445yes

Such a line of argumentation only leads to a recursion into absurdity

Yes, pushing someone so you dont go back to your back. Is weird dr Mike dropped the ball here

Turkish get up is not specific to wrestling scrambles?

@@jacko9293 don't believe I said they were

But not with the full load on an extended shoulder, which as he said is the limiting factor. Train similar with a weight vest, or bag on your shoulder, sure. You'll be much stronger than a tiny kettlebell or dumbbell wrenching your shoulder out.

@@cgrado but TGOs are generally done with heavy KBs, why is it wrong that that is the limiting factor? When scrambling you usually have your arm extended to create distance and the opponent will try to move that arm to get in. A weight vest doesnt simulate that and a bag could but you would need both arms to carry the bag which makes it another excercise entirely. A valid one but different.

Damnnn i might have to try these then! My left shoulders been killing me at the back when jabbing and throwing hooks

Same here. Though, I was exposed to them in wrestling first. Shoulder stability is simply relative to the supporting musculature’s ability to resist forces jamming the humeral head into the socket, and attempting to pull it out.

It's dogwater when it comes to movement economy though. You're wasting a lot of energy for something that targets your shoulders and rotator cuffs. Do this instead. Take a light dumbbell (start out with 6 lbs or something) and slowly lift it like you're doing a biceps curl and move it around your head like you're swinging a sword around your body. This will give you a similar challenge for your rotator cuffs but eliminate the involvement of irrelevant muscles... and thus won't fatigue you extra, for no reason

Are you talking about something sinilar to a kettlebell halo?

​@@jacobtimbersFatigue is a meme. Vast majority of people who worry about fatigue don't even train hard.

This is a genuine reason to do an exercise. Still not really a good exercise though.

@@shraka I couldn't disagree more. It's a fantastic exercise for real world application. You keep doing curls though

​@@bloodycrepe The real world application of getting up while holding something heavy over your head? You don't need to pretend it's some magical exercise, if you like it just do it. Having fun is under-rated.

@@shraka yes, let's dumbify it. No, these are not the only benefits of tgu. Far from it.

@@shraka Moving branches while logging, firewood production, stacking hay, passing feed bags to a 2nd floor, building stone walls, hanging rafters... I guess that's just me and other farmers though.

It's often used for core stability as well. Not that there aren't much better ways to target that specific adaptation, but it's another reason some people program it.

Great for core - I recently hit 100LB for reps on a barbell get up. The only reason for that is it was a test of strength to train at Sig Kleins gym back in the day.

Mike tries to be too hard to be a contrarian. Not every exercise movement has to be “perfect”.

@@p0k3mn1 it wouldn't be my first choice to strengthen core, but it should still work the core, right? Just about any compound movement does, right?

I’m not gonna argue directly with the guy, but it’s like… the most compound of all compound movements. It makes you strong the way construction workers are strong, it trains your whole body and brain to control a heavy load at an awkward angle. For hypertrophy and weight room stuff he’s right, but strength is a fuzzier thing when you’re talking about sports and two men pushing at each other.

Why?

@@GrandmasterFerg lol he doesn't actually know, someone just told him to do it

​@@KeyserSoze23 grappling positions are weird and awkward and require a huge amount of isometric strength in weird and awkward positions, such as framing from different positions. These challenge glamohumeral abducted resistance, which the tgu conditions within the first half of the movement and that includes closed and open chain stability (or do you train anything resembling a lateral press?). Grappling is grappling. If grappling would mainly include big compund movements it would be called weightlifting instead. Let top tier competetors include their TGUs and you do your chest on mondays, back on Wednesdays and legs on fridays.

I think burpies over and under a 2' stationary rope are but that's just my opinion.

trains tons of balance and stability. I'll keep doing them too

Oh we called it a Yogi Bear or the Fucktruck. Pick ya poison.

Just commented about the same thing. Anyone shitting on the get up has never done it with a 200+ pound sandbag. It literally works every muscle in your body.

Or just do barbell squats

​@@eyespy3001how is a barbell squat comparable to this exercise?

@@eyespy3001 found the guy who’s never touched a sandbag

Well he does say the only thing he acknowledges is that it increases shoulder stability

@@cjironcjiron yes, but he makes it sound as if this is not important. The strenghth increase I got was really stupid.

He is just a bodybuilder, don't listen to him about anything athletic

​@tatertots0046 he also has a PhD in Exercise Science and was a personal trainer in the past. What he's saying here applies to the vast majority of people with the vast majority of training goals. It can be a useful exercise for a few people in specific cases, but it's primarily a shoulder stability exercise, amd there are simpler ones out there that will still provide those benefits. If you like them, do them. Nobody is gonna call the cops on you for doing Turkish Get Ups

​@@teamrgvbodybuilding1772Get off your knees bro. He's cool, but describing him as a juiced bodybuilder is accurate. And that is outside of what most people's goals are.

@AtechG35 most people don't have any goals that would be benefited by Turkish getups

​@@teamrgvbodybuilding1772Please go tell the thousands of practioners who follow the Simple and Sinister program that their Turkish getups are for naught.

You could say that about 99% of exercises, I think what's important to remember is not to keep doing a specific thing as you age, but to keep doing things at all.

​@xgamermudkip7154 100%. There's no magical exercise. Just work Full ROM, stay active, stay mobile.

@@elcee3292it’s good to have an array of movements you can use for each joint to train mobility, though. But yeah it doesn’t necessarily matter what you do

Tbh I always figured it was stability and strength in framing positions, but I'm too lazy to do anything except just training more or harder on the mats. For all my good intentions, I only tend to use my kettlebells for post injury rehab

The only two exercises that’s important when we get older is sit-ups and full depth squats, other than that just be active.

This dude pretty much hates on any type of functional performance training that is non traditional especially when it comes to work on stabilizers etc. It's a common misconception from the bodybuilding community that it's useless in sport specific training. It's the same reason everyone hates on Joel seedman too tbh. They all have just seen his most viral clips of his most complicated lifts but don't realize 90% of his shit is actually simplistic sport specific movements that clearly translate directly to the sports they play. This guy has even bigger of an ego than half the people he rips on for having one.

You cant train multiple stuff with great effect at the same time

@@lukathegameplayer1537 so you'd do, suitcase walks, scapula windmills, mobility work, and a whole lot of other things instead of doing a Turkish get up? 💀 All the above mentioned benefits are supplemental to your main training. There's no point in taking specific time just to get better at the supplements

@@s.m.pravin9738 No i wouldn't, but why train all those things if it's not associated with your sport, its pointless. If you want to get good at turkish get ups, do them, but for the vast majority of people it's pointless. You don't need extra mobility and flexibility to be healthy. You need to have a large amount of muscles mass, cardiorespiratory function and low body fat levels.

Mobility and flexibility play a much bigger role in injury prevention that strength. Muscle for strength is great but without mobility and flexibility, even with decent cardio you're still not going to be truly athletic.

@@lukathegameplayer1537 you need to work on things like shoulder mobility and stability and strengthen your core if you wanna get bigger in the gym. You just cannot get bigger lifts by ignoring all these. You'll run into a brick wall very soon. You'll realise soon enough. You sound like someone with very minimal training experience. You'll have to work on all this to even get a 225 bench

They're great as a warm up to get a lot of stuff moving together. Not the functional strength miracle they're sold as by the kettlebell community, but they have utility.

@@uexkeruStability=strength. Compared to powerlifting movements it is absolutely superior in terms of functional strength.

@@user-mg7eu6jk6kAs opposed to dysfunctional strength…? Non-functional strength? All strength is “functional,” since strength allows you to, you know, function properly and not collapse under gravity.

But he only talks in the context of hypertrophy and muscle building as the title says. In this case, he's 100% correct

Isn’t he like a brown soon to be black belt in bjj? I think he knows more about strength, muscle and jiu jitsu than most

​@@kConrayThat us true. I will say though looking at how he moves on the mat, he isn't crazy mobile guy. He's a brick shithouse. Both of which are valid in jujitsu.

I thought that at first too. Then I learned that hypertrophic training creates fast twitch muscles that are required for the athletic movements. So training for hypertrophy is the base for maximum athleticism.

@@jonlopez07no it’s not 😂😂

The resistance when you stand to base is not even remotely in the same direction as in a TGU

​@@HessianLikeTheFabric no shit, you're likely never going to ever replicate it exactly

Look at it this way: if you want to train to be able to stand up with the weight of someone on your back, there’s an exercise perfectly suited for that- barbell squats. You’re never going to be in a situation where you’re going to have to get up from the floor holding a 45 lbs person over your head with one arm, so the TGU is a useless training movement for this specific application (and many others). There’s no reason to train shoulder stability while getting up from the floor.

​@@eyespy3001wait what, a squat is an entirely different movement. You flipped the situation from starting on back to starting on front/feet? You are imagining a very different starting scenario than I am.

No you didn't understand, and you're completely right. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about

One of them is a doctor, the other isn't.

​@pandamilkshake one of them is a black belt in jiu jitsu, and the other isn't lol

​@@pandamilkshake in sports science, which for a reason makes his main profession being a youtuber. He's not an MD. And as mentioned not a black belt or even competitor. Let top tier athletes do their TGUs. You go hit chest trice on monday, back and bice on Wednesday and legs on Friday.

@@neinbruderja7519PhD. is higher education than MD. Also MDs knows nearly nothing about exercise, so I would rather listen to someone who studied (and teached at uni) the sports science when it comes to sports. Mike has actually brown belt in BJJ, dunno how many times he competed, but he competed for sure.

@@pandamilkshake Mike fanboys who listen to him like he is some omniscient entity lmao, stay Dyel

I agree as Mike seems to always refer to Hypertrophy or Stength training specifically. He almost never talks a lit neuromuscular development and control and dismisses alot of relevant exercises because they don't git his own narrative of what he thinks is important.

You are no way near any endrange for the hip, how can it test hip mobility? Lumbar stability... The weight is never offset more then shoulder width from your spine and is limited by what you can control overhead. So its as usefull for lumbar stability as an equally loaded suitcase carry, wich is super light.

@@MsKoffeinjunky it tests hip internal and external rotation. The hip is a ball joint and adducts, abducts, extends, flexes, internally rotates, externally rotates. The Transverse abominis / obliques / QLs are put through some range of motion, which confers dynamic strength in the trunk as opposed to a static suitcase carry. Due to the position the body must be in to perform the get up, the moment arm is significantly increased on the lateral core muscles as you move your body around the weight.

TGU is not a good exercise for obliques as your shoulder stability will be the limiting factor, not the core muscles, not the hips and not the support hand. There's a reason why when old time strongman manuals taught the TGU, it was a show-off feat. But when they taught two and one arm clean, snatch, press and squat, these were both feats and basic exercises to get strong, and a lot of those guys were more jacked than the guys doing TGUs or weird SquatU prehab while being terrified of slightly rounding their backs If old timers wanted to work obliques they had the one arm press, bent press (still not ideal) and calisthenic exercises like the human flag. All required a lot of body control.

@@uexkeru Notice how I said modest stimulus to the shoulder girdle. I study sports physiology and physical therapy and I'm having a hard time understanding what you're talking about, unless you, much like Mike, are arguing from a pure muscle mass standpoint and not from an overall health standpoint, which includes training core stability, and is my point. You aren't understanding the underlying forces placed upon the body in the position of a TGU and how they relate to overall health vs just size. Also your lack of injury knowledge and experience is showing when you talk about people being afraid of rounded backs. Flexing the spine under compression causes delineation and eventual herniation of the vertebral disc, this is essentially settled and proven by Stuart McGill and his lab showing in real time with flouroscopy. Again, the difference between a researcher and a clinician.

And not just the shoulders. It demands core stability through a dynamic activity taking you through multiple planes of motion, unlike most other core stabilizing exercises which stabilize in a static position. Mike doesn't know what he's talking about, and anyone who uses "Dr" without a clinical doctorate is a chode, and he seems salty because most sports physiologists wanted to go to DPT school and couldn't get in.

Agreed.

EXACTLY, THANK YOU

Wdym like these two? eugene just did it lmao

Bro he literally did it in the video and I’m pretty sure Mike has way more mobility than you🤣🤣

I’m a former D1 football player, this exercise helped in no way at all.

@@GartBsure bud

Just go to his channel. There is an episode where he rolled with his BJJ coach.

Bodybuilders have always been the weakest actual athletes I've ever seen tbh.

bodybuilders are not athletes@@burny890

neither are powerlifters btw

do you know where I can find video of both the ways you describe to do it? I'm having a hard time just imagining it.

@@hansmemling2311 I couldn’t point you to a specific video. The simplest way to think of what I’m saying is that when you to the kneeling position, be sure the bulk of your weight is on the front foot instead of the knee that is on the ground. 70/30 distribution is a good way to think of it. In my opinion not doing so beat the hell out of my patellas.

@@jtalmighty947that's good advice, I'll try that. Thanks!

it's a lot of hard work for no measurable results, why would I work hard doing that when I can get bigger or stronger by doing the same amount of hard work in more effective exercises

​@@user-ge6yf1iy8nThe measurable result is the improved stability and command over your body's movement while going through the stages of a handstand or any body movements where the stability is required

@@user-ge6yf1iy8n somethings are not exactly measurable. Stability in an overhead position, while under high cns stress. Holistically if you're not a pure bodybuilder and want to be adaptable under different degrees of load, like I said doing hand stands this is useful. Training philosophy will vary, bodybuilders focus on strength/muscle pretty much but other facets include movement in different planes of motion, explosive strength, flexibility, injury reduction.

@@user-ge6yf1iy8n “more effective exercises” effective for what goal? I get what you and the doc are saying as far as a hypertrophy standpoint. If you are going just for bodybuilding, Turkish get ups are essentially a waste of time. If you’re looking for ways to improve your core brace and shoulder stability for improvement of whole body recruitment in something like a deadlift or squat, or even clean and pressing, Turkish get ups train that very well

If you want to practice hand stands, do handstands. Start out with easier versions of the hand stand such as variations of foot on wall. Doing funky exercises shouldn’t be a replacement for this.

Exactly. That's the only reason why SquatU mentions it in his book

read the article

just do OHP and get actually strong instead? with dumbbells if stability is a requirement

OHP will only ever work upwards pressing, regardless of using dumbbells or barbells. Arguably the least necessary direction of shoulder movement in everyday life. I'm not the biggest TGU fan ever but they are far from a stupid movement. In my experience people who call them stupid or unnecessary are usually too uncoordinated to get the movement sequence down correctly.

@@kiffe22 is it not established that a TGU is just an overhead hold?

I would disagree. It really depends on your goal. If you want to just get big? then yes its useless. But if you want to be strong, atheletic, and mobile, then multi/compound movements are great

@@beanhuang481 You might have misunderstood me, compound exercises are amazing (squat, pullup etc). It's exercises where you do one movement and then an unrelated movement back to back that are stupid. Hard to load appropriately and with no benefit over some coordination maybe? but if the coordination is getting trained, you're not training your muscles. Getting stronger makes you coordinated anyway, but if you want more of that, just do a real sport. If you want to be mobile, use large ranges of motion

@@billaros1000 but those movements in the TGU are not unrelated. Yes, the body has to do a lot of strange contorsions to allow the commplete grind of the shoulder rotators that the movement is made for, but since these movements are not that difficult, you can somewhat ignore them. Rotating your arm under pressure and keeping it stable is what the TGU is all about. The rest of the movement is about facilitating that. And gives an ok warmup.

I love TGU but your comment made me chuckle

It was also done by the same country known for its wrestling. I think it's good for core strength and preventing shoulder injuries.

Exactly, it's great for sexy time.

Do you think he would even disagree with you? I mean he clarifies in the video that he’s referencing BJJ athletes and the carry over to the sport. His actual take on this exercise I’m sure has more nuance than your strawman of him

Well said

Try no to be so mad next time

Do you got the source? I Wanna see this.

He was talking about jiu jitsu

Or Joe Rogan.

Way better workouts exist for your core that actually focus on the core and not also shoulder stability, balance etc. Do core workouts for your core.

@@jbrandona119 well yeah obviously. He was just saying Turkish get ups are useless and I was just saying they’re not completely useless

He’s talking about jiu jitsu

@@jbrandona119 Most core workouts are concentric based. The way you use your abs throughout the day is to stabilize your lumbar spine. This generally means contraction at relatively long muscle lengths. There's a reason why exercises like hanging leg raises and reverse crunches are seen as better exercises than regular crunches or sit ups, because they also train the abs in a lengthened position. These concepts are also seen in bilateral and unilateral carries. If you are capable of performing a turkish get up with a large weight, you will likely not benefit much from core work if your intent is to build power / injury proof your back. Understanding why the abs exist and how the work is the key in understanding why the TGU is a good core exercise, especially for dynamic / athletic movement.

No it isn’t. They need to learn the movement pattern of standing to base and get strong on squats and deadlifts. This silly bullshit is what keeps people weak.

lmao, way to call yourself out on being a shit trainer. imagine getting weak beginners doing this shit

Unfortunately nuance and people in the KZfaq comments don’t tend to mix very well lmao

What's the context that he meant? Hypertrophy?

well, if the clip does not contain the word hypertrophy, then it will show up for people that train the movement for other reasons. TGUs are really good for some movements, and this will for sure find its defenders.

​@@FlorisGerberThe people should learn how to read titles and descriptions

​@@HessianLikeTheFabricthe title is clickbait "Turkish get ups suck" and the description is also useless. Short form content just sucks

What is it for

​@@pedromelendez9487core strength and mobility development mainly

you lift weights to build muscles😅

I think he is trying to say our own bodyweight is resistance. So, yea, everyone "stands to base with resistance."

@@jayma733 did you even watch the video before posting yours?