Will Drilling a Sump On Car DESTROY THE ENGINE?

Will Drilling a Sump On Car DESTROY THE ENGINE? | TURBO Your NA Barra Pt 4

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2 жыл бұрын

You can’t drill the sump on car, it’ll put metal through all your oil and DESTROY the engine! We’ve tested this motoring myth so you don’t have to, and the results may surprise some.
I then moved along with testing whether flushing oil through the sump would remove any of these metal shavings if we did get some from the drilling.
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@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

A note that I’ve discussed with some more knowledgeable people since recording. In a normal engine ANY material in the sump like is possible from this video is potentially very bad… BECAUSE it points to unknown damage elsewhere in the engine. But if you know the cause of it and it’s not a sign of engine damage then it is extremely unlikely to cause further issues, as the oil pick up screen and filter will stop these moving further through the system - unless of course there is enough to block or it passes these, which is again unlikely. As always though be sure to do your own research, I’m a hack and cannot guarantee there will be no damage to your engine!

@HazeyAuto 2 жыл бұрын

Throw in an extra litre of oil prior to drilling, effectively covering the hole. The oil flowing back out once you drill through should force any swarf out of the sump. Just keep a drain pan under where you are drilling. Browney could do a follow up video trying this test with either of the sump rigs shown here.

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Ben, fair point and perhaps something that could be looked at at a later date. It has been suggested by others and I've tossed this idea around in my head a few times too. Could work but my concern would be that once you make that first tiny through hole at the very tip it will start leaking but still have a way to go with the drilling. Could mean I speed up the drilling to ensure oil level doesn't drop too much/have me swimming in it and then some pieces are 'flung' away from the drill bit into the pan. Probably get similar results flushing the pan a few times after carefully drilling? Just my thoughts and I'm not exactly the sharpest tool! Could well be a better method.

@MeatballGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Mate a very well thought out test there! I would have absolutely been in the 'drill now, pay later' camp of impatience!!

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Glad others feel the same, it's really just a taxi engine anyway! To be fair I meant it when I said I was probably going to do it anyway baring some sort of disastrous result. Hope dad life is treating you well mate, especially with lockdown making roping extra helpers in impossible I imagine.

@MeatballGarage 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage Haha these taxi engines will be worth good money one day - after everyone has had their fun blowing them all up! Mate dad life is everything they say and more! You are right - the combo of him being preemie and needing extra attention, and being locked down from family etc is hard work - but it will get easier. We have had a lot of moral support, and friends and family drop us off food to save us from cooking though - which has been amazing! The 'Dad Bod' has also pretty much appeared overnight as well, needs addressing urgently!

@MrParker300 2 жыл бұрын

Browney, you are so good to watch. Great to listen to and good editing. Thanks for your vids

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

That's very kind mate, thank you very much. Always trying to work on improving little bits as I go, we'll get there one day!

@RyanMiller-ly4li 2 жыл бұрын

You can also over fill the sump so it is above the drill hole. Any swarf with be pushed out instead of falling in the sump.

@johnconroy9555 2 жыл бұрын

Loved it Browney went through all possibilities lol cant wait for the turbo hookup...john...Willaura..😎😎

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Sure there's some possiblities and many methods I haven't tried but I've done enough testing to go ahead myself at least. Thanks John, hope you're well 👍

@HiRiSC300 2 жыл бұрын

I've been staaaaalliing on this for my build....literally one year+ passed since I last was on this part of my SC300 build. I got side tracked with the body (on purpose) and now that's done and here we are again. I have watched countless videos on this exact topic and this by far has been the most effective in illustrating what happens in the pan during the process. Personally, I think I saw what I needed to move forward with the dreaded hole. Wish me luck and thank you good Sir.

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks very much mate, I did the testing cause I wasn't particularly convinced myself by other videos! Happy to help encourage bad decisions, thanks for watching and best of luck with your project - sounds killer 👍

@TheSoulessdruid 2 жыл бұрын

Nice work Browney, love ya stuff. One cheat you could use on a steel sump but not an alloy is to put a big ass magnet on the sump below the hole. You could leave the sucker there especially if it don't budge or drag it up to the hole to get a few of the nasties out.

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Great idea, stick a heap of old speaker magnets around where you drill maybe 🤣. Didn't look too much into more options on the steel pan as I'm not doing one soon and the results as is we're actually really quite good so you may get it pretty perfect with some tweaks like the magnets you mention!

@matthewoutram1228 2 жыл бұрын

Well done alot of thought has been put into this great video

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, never enough though - still wish there were things I did slightly differently! 😂 Think it's a pretty good test still, thanks for watching mate.

@MrKrueger88 2 жыл бұрын

Just a great video mate ... pretty much a myth buster for sure . Add in the fact that the oil filter removes bigger particles or they just sit in the bottom of the sump .

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, was a little surprised that this hasn't really been covered before, not that I could find anyway. And yep, I think we'll be fine doing it this way 👍

@marksshed1100 2 жыл бұрын

One flushing idea for removing any debris from the sump, would be to leave the sump plug out and flush out the motor with diesel. You could even run a small pump and, with an inline filter, just recirculate it through the motor for a few minutes.

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the idea mate, diesel has come up a few times in regards to this. I know about squat when it comes to diesel, any reason you suggest this over using clean engine oil? Is it just a price thing?

@marksshed1100 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage a couple of reasons really. 1.price, cheaper than oil... Even supermarket brand. 2. Being thinner than oil, it will flush faster. Faster flow rate "should" remove the debris better. 3. Being close to oil than petrol is, it will still provide some protection for the motor until the oil can circulate through the motor again. It also has detergents in it to help clean surfaces.

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

@@marksshed1100 Thanks mate, gives me something to really consider and sounds like a decent idea. Got a heap of cheap oil here already but will weigh it up, thanks very much for the response mate 👍

@jtsn667 Жыл бұрын

About to drill out my sump on my territory and this is very useful stuff, knowing about the oil pickup screen gives me hope

@glensgraphix 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent episode Browney! You've covered most of the things that could come up. I haven't read the comments yet, but I'm expecting some Negative Nancy's and some name calling. Before watching this I wouldn't have considered drilling a sump while on the car. Now I've seen this I would give it some thought that it could be done if done the right way. Looking forward to all the NA parts coming off.😀

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

I was expecting much more blow back on this one too, fair we all have different opinions, but it's been fairly well all positive. Love hearing your thoughts, not because I want to change peoples ideas necessarily but it helps to confirm the position I've come to on this, I am just learning as I go after all! Thanks Glen, time for the NA gear to go!

@SHOCKcustoms 2 жыл бұрын

Love this browney! Tremendous content!

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, hope it covered the testing alright 👍

@Doc_in_the_carpet_truck 2 жыл бұрын

Top work Browney great use of experimentation no beer no science haha !!!🍻👍

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

😂 Thanks mate, was an interesting test.

@clarence4343 2 жыл бұрын

Nice ED man i rarely see those around now few and far between, cant wait to see it

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

You and me both! Shame there aren't more out and about still.

@beerturbogarage 2 жыл бұрын

i like to overfill the oil, hookup air compressor on low psi to oil dipstick, drill and tap with lots of grease. then it pushes oil and debree out of the hole when you punch through..but the grease gets most of it. once taped i put a barb fitting on, some hose, then with sump plug off flush sump with some diesel. then do some chean oil. then refill.

@KiwiPokerPlayer 2 жыл бұрын

Great idea to test it this way Browney. This was some Smarter Every Day action.

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Damn that's very high praise, you saw the plastic cups right? 😂 Thanks very much mate, and you've just reminded me I've been meaning to check out some of his stuff so there goes an afternoon!

@KiwiPokerPlayer 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage The plastic cups specifically reminded me of his see-through carburetor video, that's why I mentioned him ;)

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Haha just watching that now! I need a 3D printer...

@rubberbandman2540 2 жыл бұрын

ive done this many times on ba bf and fgs never had an issue use the same method works well never had one come back yet well done

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear from people who have actually done it, thanks for sharing mate 👍

@rubberbandman2540 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage no dramas mate keep doing good work mate cheers

@TommyTexas666 2 жыл бұрын

keen for the next vid!!!

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, work has started. Next one is going to be a pretty long video I'd say!

@russelblackwell6041 2 жыл бұрын

love the beard browney the cars looking mint

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, poor BA is a little rough these days but the camera hides it well👍

@brockmacckie9905 2 жыл бұрын

Awsome job mate and very interesting information much enjoyed it and pump for whats to come on migthy ba xr keep it up and also looking forward to seeing the ed

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching mate 👍

@brockmacckie9905 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage all good mate 😉🤟

@dklyne 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe test no grease and a strong vacuum. I’m sure that would let nothing fall in.

@simcard027 2 жыл бұрын

i don't know but i'm thinking if you pour oil in thru the hole you've drilled when you do your flush that will help to push any shavings that may have gotten caught up in any baffles inside the sump down to the bottom of the sump and out the drain plug also using a strong magnet to drag shavings to the drain plug

@milesinfront 2 жыл бұрын

In regards to Barras: Yes, there is a small risk that you will do catastrophic damage to your n/a motor. But there's also a risk that you will do catastrophic damage to your n/a motor by over-powering it with the turbo. So you either take both risks, or you swap it for a factory turbo motor or remove and upgrade the n/a.

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Completely agree mate, I think we’re on a very similar page here 👍

@30059686 2 жыл бұрын

A mate of mine drilled his AU sump on the car and then flushed 20 litres of supermarket oil through to clear the debris

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Yep, have to think you'd be pretty safe after that 👍

@Noelly1980 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video man. Keep it up. :-)

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks mate, will do my best!

@unfknknown9678 5 ай бұрын

do you know the thread pitch for the factory oil drain bolts??

@joevd9949 2 жыл бұрын

How the turbo conversion coming along? Gotta be due for an update soon

@MASSIVEPUFFSGHEE 2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone know if I can take the hole ultra low setup out of my ba xt struts shocks lock kit and bolt it into my rwd sy have always wanted to do this

@MrLochie123 2 жыл бұрын

Im about to start my conversion and im gunna do it the hard way and pull the motor but ive always wounded would over filling the engine with the cheapest oil i can find and drilling it work so the oil level is higher than the hole im drilling then draining the oil and replacing with the correct stuff ill get covered in oil but nothing would make it inside

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

I've tossed this idea around in my head a few times too. Could work but my concern would be that once you make that first tiny through hole at the very tip it will start leaking but still has a way to go and oil will start leaking. Could mean I speed up the drilling to ensure oil level doesn't drop too much/have me swimming in it and then some pieces are 'flung' away from the drill bit into the pan. Probably get similar results flushing the pan a few times after carefully drilling? I don't know, just my thoughts and I'm not exactly the sharpest tool! Could well be a superior method, at very least we know doing it the hard way as you say you are is the absolute best 👍

@ScoutYa-cg5sd 2 ай бұрын

Is removing the sump on a bf the same as an Au? I need to replace my sump gasket

@enjoiskateboardingSB Жыл бұрын

when drilling the sump, can we drill all the way though for the two holes where the bolts for the drain go? or do we drill to a certain point before going all the way through then tap threads? great video by the way.

@BrowneysGarage Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't ideally, just gives 2 more spots for potential oil leaks! Can't recall if I mention what depth I drilled them to in the video and don't have it noted here, but if you need to check you could drill the the large hole first, work out how thick the material is from that and take 5 or so mm off it for the depth of the other 2 holes. Thanks mate and good luck with it!

@ptreeau2180 Жыл бұрын

Just one question why didnt you drill and tap the hole in the proper place on the sump where the return is supposed to go?????

@RossHollandAU 2 жыл бұрын

Nice work !👌 will be referring people to this video in the future :) as you know I'm confident it will be fine 😁

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Legend, thank you mate. Yep she'll be right! Oh and congrats on reaching 1k subs, I saw it and was shocked cause I'd assumed you had a lot more - well deserved 👍

@RossHollandAU 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage cheers mate appreciate that! Never really asked for subs over the last year or so.. probably didnt help 😂 keep up the good work 💪

@mattyosborne1453 2 жыл бұрын

Not gunna lie. Watch this video a few times before drilling and tapping mine 😂

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Not so bad, I had to make a whole test video to make myself fell better about it! 😂

@mattyosborne1453 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage mine was only a -4 so way smaller size hole but I was still peaking out over it

@nanithefuck 2 жыл бұрын

i’ve done this conversion myself in December, i went with the drill and epoxy the fitting method. took my sweet time drilling and didn’t rush it at all and repeatedly cleaned the hole i’m sure SOME shavings got into the pan, but going on 10 months, no dead engine or any sign of ware. and like you said, big chunks will get caught in the pickup screen, smaller particles will go into the oil filter. it’s surely a risk, but thinking the oil path it’s not a huge one. what are filters for anyway 🤪 imo you’ve got a better chance at blowing the box up before the metal shavings get anywhere important

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear, I'm fairly confident I'll be ok with my method but doesn't hurt to hear from others who have done it already! As you say, should be right and there's plenty of other risks that we accept doing the NA+ T. How have you enjoyed the conversion? Got power, timeslips, boost numbers etc?

@nanithefuck 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage made 263rwkw 800nm torque at the wheels through the na btr at 11psi getting a zf conversion done next week though it’s gonna cost an arm and a leg to do 😅

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

@@nanithefuck Nice! And ouch, I hate to think what that'll set you back, bit of work in that one.

@nanithefuck 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage getting a place to do it, setting me back 6500$ drive in drive out

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

@@nanithefuck Not surprised, and doesn't sound completely unreasonable... but glad I'm not footing that bill! Good luck, will change the car for sure.

@craigfiles7067 2 жыл бұрын

Having a 2nd person with a vacuum cleaner with the thinner nozzle fitten does help with stopping debri falling into pan

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

A few have suggested this in different forms, may be worth playing with in the future. Thanks for sharing mate 👍

@stevenhansin5809 2 жыл бұрын

I've done this a few times on motorcycle's with no issues

@robcreighton7705 2 жыл бұрын

What for

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

If you’re talking about turboing a road bike you’re a lot braver than me! Hell just riding a road bike at all you’re already ahead 🤣 Cool to hear your experience, thanks mate.

@young11984 2 жыл бұрын

Use a vacuum with an elbow and a hole in the back of it, while drilling and tapping start the vacuum with no grease and it will pull debris to you instead of going forward in the pan

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Would be interesting to try, don't think Missus Browney would be too pleased with the state of the vacuum afterwards though! 😂 Not too sure if it would overcome the debris 'flung' out in the worst case scenario, and space will be more limited when doing it on the car.

@young11984 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage lmao, i use my shop vac and a 1-1/2” PVC 90 reduced from my 2” hose. Best part is no grease needed and once you stick the bit thru the hole you dont need to hold it either, i have done it on a few pans with engine in them and many on the work bench that was nasty inside and never saw even one small piece of a shaving as long as you are slow when the drill starts thru it pulls it all in the vacuum. Give it a try

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

@@young11984 Aha, makes sense. No shop vac here yet but I'll definitely have to give it a go at some point. Thanks for sharing mate 👍

@young11984 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage anytime bud, thats why im here....to learn and share what i have learned. Enjoy the Barra vids, i had one shipped in last year to the states and have yet to finish it in my 65 F100

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

@@young11984 Mate, that sounds like a killer build! Any where we can check it out?

@jtsn667 Жыл бұрын

What if you filled the sump up with oil higher than the hole? Then still using the grease and drill method eventually go through and the overfilled oil pushes out the shavings while it pours out the hole?

@jtsn667 Жыл бұрын

So like fill it over the hole and drill out while the oil is in and higher than the hole

@bearcatracing007 2 жыл бұрын

Now I don't know anything when it come to such low performance vehicles 🤣 but could you use a banjo bolt and fit it where the Sump plug is? Not enough flow or??

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

Luckily low performance vehicles is all I know... but I'm still not an expert! Think that has potential to work. Some say the return shouldn't feed in below the oil level but I'd say that'd be fine, then you have the issue of the sump bolt being on the other side of the engine to the turbo. Guess it could be done but a lot of spinny bits in the way, especially if trying to keep the line with a downward path to drain 🤷. Something to play around with another day!

@bearcatracing007 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage an expert is a drip under pressure 🤣 Was just an idea, not up on car ways of doing things sorry but look forward to the outcome. Once again doing things and testing that I haven't seen others do very often.

@micka4697 2 жыл бұрын

Hey Browney hope your well🖒 Have you got anymore upcoming videos on the BA🖒

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

All good here mate, hope you are too. Yep, plenty coming. Next video is going to be a long one!

@micka4697 2 жыл бұрын

@@BrowneysGarage Awesome mate just haven't seen any for a while and wasn't sure if something had happened 🖒But good to know so looking forward to it 👍

@ebv8 2 жыл бұрын

This is the only thing stopping me from fitting my turbo kit. I'm lazy and really don't want to remove the sump

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

It looks like a huge pain to remove, do-able certainly just painful. Glad to be a test dummy for yours, see how we go 👍

@nullcorporation2332 2 жыл бұрын

Coul you not use like an extremley high powered magnet next to where you plan to drill, and just dragg any shavings out through the hole you just drilled ? edit: Ok, I learned something about aluminium today

@BrowneysGarage 2 жыл бұрын

We’re all learning as we go mate 👍. Good idea though.