What weird is that it wasn’t banned for being to powerful the deck on has a 50% win rate and it was deemed to not have to high of a meta % but because the card was polarizing

@@ashdog9235 Gavin pointed out in an article that the low win% is because mono-red was almost always winning game 1, but most decks have so much hate for it in the sideboard that it won game 2 and 3 a lot more rarely. So essentially, it was very strong, there's just hate for it in pauper (Blue Elemental Blast and Hydroblast in particular)... but that does completely skew the format still.

Also fury hits the omnath decks. So it was kinda a 2 for 1.

The Fury ban is also important because, despite the Goldfish team ignoring this, Fury being able to literally wipe a board for free, then come back as a 3/3 Double Strike for one mana is a huge issue. Yes, W6 is there. Fire/Ice is there. Those spells cost mana. Those spells cost more than one mana and don't leave a beefy body on the field afterwards.

@@Xoulrath_ It's usually a 4/4 Double Strike because Not Dead After All, Feign Death, etc. generally puts a +1/+1 boost on there whether through a counter or a role.

@@51gunner yeah, that's very true. I was just using its base stats.

They can switch to U/B with subtlety and slip out the back. Or they can switch to solitude and ephemerate

Yeah, some of their best as well (subjectively, obv)

Most alt art cards these. Days are objectively trash and almost unintelligible

@@yashindiamente282 that's just... your opinion bro.

Bad take.

This is true. To some degree the flash on Bowmasters makes it as oppressive to x/1s as Fury. Maybe more so.

OB only triggers once ..so it can only kill one 1/1

@@stormycat0905 to a SINGLE X/1, that point can be argued. The problem is that you don't take into account the creature decks that are ripped apart by Fury. Bowmasters COSTS two mana and kills ONE creature on ETB. Fury gets as many as FOUR creatures upon ETB, while doing so for "free." It isn't even close. One for one trades are fine, and SHOULD be what the game encourages. I play a lot of mana dorks; I always have since I first learned about ramp way back in 1997. I've NEVER had a problem with someone "bolting the bird," because it's a one for one trade. I spend my mana and play my card, the opponent spends their mana and plays their card, and we've each spent one mana and used one card. Fury comes in and changes the landscape because it ignores the need to play well. It absolutely decimates Elf ramp, or Goblins, or Merfolk. At its absolute best, it's an 8 for 3, leaving a fast clock behind. Even at its most basic, it's a 4 for 2. This doesn't even allow a deck like Elves to begin to play. Goblins is even worse off. Maybe Merfolk can do better, but it can't perform well enough to bother sleeving up. Even Humans, which was a tier deck for quite a while, has completely disappeared. People want to play these decks, but they can't even begin to with Fury around.

This is true, although you miss one thing, Fury dealt with 4 to 8(Scammed) x/1's in ONE turn, while Bowmaster only deals with max 1 in one turn and W&6 1-3 over several turns.

Fire play design. That's why. They can't not power creep now. They have no choice but rampant power creep (still less than yugioh at least.... for now)

Yup eye of ugin 2

Three years ago Beanstalk would have been considered a Commander only card that made its way into a Standard set.

@@imaginarymatterI mean it top 8’d a standard pro tour iirc

it wouldn't've 3 years ago@@henryzelman4541

Leave copter alone fool

I would like to second this

Seth did it for a whyle

The problem with Pauper is while yes lots of decks are viable and playable its also a solved format. I dabbled with it for awhile but got bored.

@@eusebioalbertieri2248 I'll have to find that video

True and good point. Sadly, we can't ban a $50 card that is still being pack cracked.

True, but but at least your opponent has to spend mana to deal with them now lol and unloading your hand of small creatures is less risky

It will not have much of an effect because Orcish Bowmasters is still a premier X/1 killer and it's still in.

X/1s won't truly be free until Orcish Bowmasters is gone as well, arguably W&6 as well altho that one sees much less play nowadays. Really should have just banned Grief to be honest instead of Fury.

​@@user-dd3dz6vz7lYes I agree. However Bowmasters is one of the best answers to Ring. So as long as Ring is legal Bowmasters should stay.

@@ElGrandeFatso why tho, do you really think grief is gonna be everywhere causing problems now? or do you think fury is healthy

Also of note is there's not as much card draw in the format as something like legacy in modern meaning bowmasters is not nearly as scary when depending on the matchup it might deal 1 damage at most

I wouldn't say it failed miserable, Rakdos was just better.

Yeah it's probably Dimir more than B/W. Both will be tried.

That would take a major rules rewrite, because right now, every single card, even tokens and lands, has a mana value and a color identity. It's a core element of how the rules allow the game to function. Tokens that aren't copies of permanents have a mana value of 0, as do lands. 0 mana value is the baseline for all things. Lands' color identity is colorless, which is why there are special rules about what lands you can use in an EDH deck. What you're asking for is a rehaul of the system that would be on par with the Sixth Edition rules changes, so for a fringe case like this, it will absolutely never happen.

​@@collinbealthe game has needed a MAJOR rules update for years. Better now than ever. Wizards is bleeding players and there has never been more and largely better competition.

@@collinbeal well I did say it was spicy. Perhaps the easiest solution to stopping this interaction would be to go back in time and prevent any cards without mana costs from ever being printed, lol

@@jertlemiah now that I'm on board with 🤯👍. Remember to bet on horse #7.

It's pretty much always a 3-1 when you want it to be. Opponent attacks you flash in, kill one with the trigger kill the other with blocks

​@@TheEvolver311that happens ONCE, then you get to play around it. You know, the thing that you're supposed to do with a game? People want free wins and don't want to actually play the fucking game.

I'm actually wondering how long Smugglers and TC will last together in the format. TC is going to eat a ban eventually

Exactly not not just that but Fury is a free wrath and can answer even more things than Solitude.

Hey, got any LGS recommendations in Philly? I've been looking to move there for a while now.

@@thekopekemaster depends on the part of the city Northeast is vacant. PGS and Redcapps are the best 2 imo. Both amazing stores

@@thekopekemaster Garden of Earthly Delights in Northeast is pretty good too. Sorry I forgor

Same here in St. Louis. There's only like 2 stores who regularly run Modern the same day every week, and even then their usual turnout is less than 16

@@Skelatard Thanks! I'm hoping to move pretty close to center city if possible, maybe in Fishtown. Seems like PGS would probably be my best bet if I end up around that area.

It'll eventually get whacked. People will continue to scam. That opening line is still nearly an auto-win. Someone will find some collection of BX cards that are good enough to justify scamming.

Fury was suppressing a lot of decks down but was also a 3-turn clock on turn one. With Fury banned, we might see a resurgence of more low-to-the-ground creature decks. Bowmaster is good but isn't a 3-turn clock on turn one either.

Karn is banned in Pioneer.

Because they want to print problem cards. Modern Horizons 2 was a dangerous precedent for the game because it was one of the first sets that it's tough to argue anything toxic in it was a "mistake." For one of their first spoiler previews of the set, they discussed how Grief would be generically good as another unmask, an evasive beater, and potential synergy with Ephemerate that would make it a stronger turn one Though-Knot Seer, when turn two Thought-Knot Seers were enough to ruin the format.

@@SmartAlec1 You think to highly of their mental capacity. The simple answer is banning an rare or mythic is worse for them financially both irl and on arena.

@@Shimatzu95 They are the only currently financially successful division in a large corporation so they would be smart. It is a greed thing, no doubt about that. But the power creep is very deliberate and the Grief thing I mentioned isn't a theory: I remember vividly the designers talking about that as they were previewing the card which is insane.

Also interesting how Grief was the most hyped, was then among the least played for a long time, only to then become one of the most played when the scam archetype emerged

A 1 mana catch all to anything is too strong. Unless we get more non basic land hate its too easily achievable to be a 1 mana spell.

Lol I'm surprised that he lasted this long in Pioneer. Oh wait, no I'm not. 😂

To doubble up on this comment. Free spells should be reserved for vintage and legacy ONLY, get this nonsence out of commander please.

​@@Shimatzu95free spells have always been in Commander lol

The Cascade decks have plenty of interactive cards that are not the Elementals

​@@Shimatzu95Commander IS basically Legacy, dude.

@@TheEvolver311 status quo is not necessary good