On the Faker take, so many things: 1. You can't just compare Faker to his younger self. You also have to compare the current state of league to it's previous years. Assassins aren't as common, mid lane is more balanced, solo kills are rare, supports have better peel options, ADC have a lot more mobility, dragon gave 1k gold globally (so fkin busted) and etc. Stopwatch wasn't even a thing. ADC were basically naked and it was nearly impossible to survive. It was easier to 1v9 mid lane. Remember broken ass Ryze? Remember Leblanc that would pop over a wall, 1 shot the ADC and the only counter-play was picking Maokai? Much, much different times. 2. Every mid plays the same 8 champions. If Faker has a shallow champion pool, then every other mid does too. Chovy only picked ONE champion during worlds that Faker didn’t play, which was Yone. 3. Yes, nobody expected Faker to become shot caller back in the early days....because that wasn't the role of mid. Mid was the mechanical God that would hard carry because, back then, mid was an insanely broken role. Remember how fkin insane TF used to be? Shot calling was always the role of the support or the jung. 4. You guys keep brining up one Ahri game as proof that he had a below God tier performance. What about the Akali game 3? What about him smurfing on LNG and JDG? What about the Azir shuffle in mid lane that turned around the game? You gotta provide me at least 3-5 examples of him throwind. 5. If you are going to insinuate that Faker may have been mid at worlds this year, then please tell me what other mid played significantly better. 6. Stop gatekeeping opinions. Yes you casted the games, but people like myself have been watching since S2. We got the same viewship experience you have. Stop the gas lighting. Crazy thing is, I'm not saying I disagree with your take. I just HEAVILY disagree with the justifications of the take. If you want to talk about kills, kill share, dpm, CSD at 15 and 30, ward kills and etc to show that Faker was behind the curve, then I'd be open to changing my mind. Until then Faker performed great at Worlds, he is still God tier and you two are coming across as bias haters.

ah yes, Faker is not good mechanically yet he gapped Knight, Scout best 2 mids in the world btw, and then you flame his ahri game(yes, it was bad) and talk about his champ pool? Why would he play any other champion if the teams are leaving them open? But they dont talk about Knight's Azir because that would make him look bad. Also, this narrative of: if your not 40 years old and didnt watch faker born you cant talk about his carreer, its as dumb as when people criticize you guys for talking about league gameplay if your not even a 1/10 of any of those players in skill.

weird idea but, when you do the recap "devoured" it might be cool to play like a few highlight clips (maybe the plays that ppl got "eaten") or a bad draft shown on screen. would help pull ppl into the exp of the show. love the show great stuff !

The weird thing about WBG winning against BLG by having TheShy counterpick top, is that they got those counterpicks on blue side, that series had 100% WR on blue side, maybe they got baited by that but that still doesn't make sense when you know T1 was the only team to correctly use red side. Just weird they didn't try at least a red side game

Ah yes, Faker's mechanics are bad, cause he missed 2 important charms in a finals game that he went on to win anyway. Let's just forget how he gapped the LPL fanboys "best midlaner" Knight as well as Scout in the previous two bo5's, but sure he had 1 game where he didn't play out of his mind, must be washed.

Monte actually I did watch Faker’s first 3 wins, I actually did watch his first ever pro league match, and I have watched enough of the LCK to have watched all of his matches either live or on vods. Feel free to still call me a casual since I’m no analyst or ex-pro but I do think you shouldn’t doubt him and I do believe he is the best player currently playing but this is probably due to differences in criteria. He’s shown that even when he’s not the best he’s still among the best mid laners in the world so depending upon your level of “doubt” you’d be foolish to just expect him to never contend or even win. As for being the best, I feel it’s more than just mechanical ability that makes a player great or the best, and I believe his contribution to his team along with his solid mechanics make him the best player there is at this moment post-worlds, though i can understand if someone defines that as not the best player, just the most important player. As far as his limited champion pool is concerned, I still believe it’s an ocean. It’s just not an ocean that includes every single champion at every single moment. As for Dom’s how many fake faker fans would have answered the question correctly: none of you could, what is the point of saying that? If someone could you’d probably turn around and say look at this faker fanboy, just another faker d*ck sucker.

It is ironic how they hate the faker bias to the point of basically hating and nitpicking. No lies, I have heard a lot about Zeus and Oner being the best in the tournament almost everywhere. They are not the forgotten teammates they try to paint it to be.

Normally I would never respond to things like this such as your “Listen up Nephews” takes. But I have time and it’s a Saturday so why not. For my qualifications(as if that matters in the slightest), I have been watching Faker and LOL esports since 2013 Worlds. I am 24 years old and I’m attending medical school at the moment. I don’t think it matters whether or not someone was around to watch Faker win his first worlds. Disqualifying someone’s opinion due to their age or the length of their fandom is foolish at best. This is likely ragebait though. I believe the “narrative” about never doubting Faker is more likely to come from the fact that he has 100% semifinals in Worlds attended, 75% finals in Worlds attended and 50% Championship wins in Worlds attended. Seems to me like pretty good odds to not bet against him, no? (I’m sure Forest would agree) For his Champion pool at Worlds: Azir and Ori were almost never banned against Faker (outside of 2 games in Finals lol) Why should he go down the tier list of champions if the enemy team doesn’t force him to? His Sylas games were solid and his Akali game was wonderful. I don’t think anyone would say that 369 has a champ pool of Ksante and Renekton just because he was only at his best on those 2 champions. I don’t think anyone would call Knight a bad player because he can’t play Azir and his Orianna is mediocre at best. Playing a subset of champions =\= can only play those champions. I’m sure you guys would mention his Finals vs GENG / LCK summer playoffs as well when it comes to champion pool. Faker himself said he had no time to get comfortable on other champions at the time due to his injury. Holding that against him seems unfair, but I digress. I can agree that he is not the best mechanical mid. Players like Chovy, Scout and Knight are better mechanically. (Though he still managed to gap all 3 of them at Worlds, Chovy only in lane). However, mid lane is not just mechanics. His leadership, shotcalling, laning (it’s still very high tier) and much more all condensed in him being the best mid at Worlds by a country mile. (Also, we all saw how T1 looked without him. The intangibles are undeniable) I don’t think there’s really an argument for that. Note: I am not calling him the best mid this year. That would be Knight. You could argue Scout as well I suppose. However, saying that he was anything other than the best mid at Worlds is simply untrue. There is no argument I could possibly think of off the top of my head. I also think Faker was overall better than Oner at the tournament. (Not taking away from Oner obv) but Faker had maybe 2 bad games at Worlds. Oner had a slow start at Worlds this year. Maybe saying Faker was more consistent is a better way for me to put it. They both won games for T1 nearly near single-handedly. At worst they were 1a and 1b for the tourney. Ignoring literally the entire tourney for his bad game in game 1 of finals(it was bad, yes) is disingenuous. I’m sure your rebuttal( if this is even seen, which I doubt) will be that I am a Faker fanboy, dismissing all my arguments. But in the chance it isn’t, I would like to talk more on it since I haven’t gone into nearly as much detail as I could. Funnily enough, some things we do agree on, heh. It is what it is. Have a great day all of you. -FakerFanboy6969

The Listen Up Nephews segment sounds like they’re gatekeeping being a Faker fan. Yeah most of us don’t know every detail of his performances but we’re not analysts and don’t get paid to study him/talk about League. And yeah, my balls didn’t drop in 2013 but that’s because I’m a girl that was 21 during that time

they act like Faker didn't carry the JDG series (their toughest series by far), or that he wasn't smurfing in the LNG series.

Faker getting flammed cuz he only picked like 4/5 champs, why tf would he picked random shit like ivern mid, when they are letting Azir Ori free the picks with the most priority and the champs he perfoms the best? Why would i shot a contested 3 point shot, when they opposite team is giving me a free lay up?

Imagine flaming faker after winning worlds, stay mad dom and monte.

Holy shit Monte is reaching a whole new level of obnoxiousness everytime he talks about Faker the past few days. Sounds like a hipster craving to tell everyone he was there since the beginning and witnessed Faker's transformation as player for the past 10 years. We fucking get it that he's not as mecanically proficient as 7 years ago but that doesn't matter. I'd take the player with "shitty mecanics" (debatable after watching him in LNG/JDG series) and abysmal champion pool with game winning shotcalling and clutch plays over Scout, Knight or Chovy. Plus bringing up the finals to make their point when it was the happy gaming / winning parade ? It's like nothing happened before this series when they judge Faker... They love praising him and shitting on him over trivial details, no player get this much of a treatment. Why ? Because they are incensed people that always go in the opposite side of what the majority is thinking, even if it's the truth.

I got Trollis because of you guys! I hope they sponsor you again

“i love watching korean teenagers… as long as they’re playing videogames” was so brilliant. bless you monte. and bless you dom. y’all make this show so great. bless you all. i will give dgon some credit even though i didnt used to like his hosting so much, he has both gotten much better and he has absolutely put in the sweat. h/t to our boy dgon.

Lowkey hyped for SK with Isma/Nisqy. I remember watching Isma in soloq in like 2020 and I'm super excited to see what he can do with a mid laner who is known for playing for map.

Who is the best mid laner right now ? Every worlds faker attending , he is the no.1 by the stats. So i dont know what kind of copium this nobody take😂

what with this 3 champs narrative being pushed so hard? the question is, why would he select another champs down in priority list when his comfort champs wasn't even get banned? why would he whip out some weird shit like Ivern mid if there's only Orianna or Azir being picked every single game?

first worlds i watched was 2016 and Rox vs SKT is my favorite series of all time, he was already the GOAT and for some crazy reason I didn't became a faker fan that day, but his greatness is unmatched

My thought for the finals: Dom at least was right about TheShy all along, ty Dom for not making me buy into the hype.

Lol Monty trying to say faker isnt the best when his team went 0-7 without him, almost missing playoffs, to winning worlds. Just trying to farm interactions, and hats off, you got me.

Honestly felt like Faker just picked Ahri so that he could get that Ahri skin money.

Love you guys

Thank you for making this content ! You guys are the best

In the country where I live there is a different selection of Trolly, but this week I was visiting the US. Guess what? I got myself some Very Berry worms and I loved them. Keep going strong guys!

Bold of you to assume. I was there. Since 2013. Heard about a solo q prodigy that had a team built around him.

Im with dgon on this one, the opening was awesome

40:12 - Dom has an incredible memory. I’m in awe.

Was in Colombia recently and saw a bag of Trolli's on a cart of the street merchants. Couldn't tell what type of Trollis it was as the bag was yellow if I remember correctly, but that was pretty cool to see

Thanks for the great season guys

I don't mind monte has a change in opinion on T1 or Faker. But I feel most of it, is just to be different for the sake of being different. Its like the red pill is dying off on younger and only now catching up to the older generation

Weird, Monte still super negative about everything. Except now he gatekeeps other people from having opinions. Didn't disagree with his takes on Faker, but was annoyed most of it was shitting on people and raising himself up. For someone who I am sure looked up to Tastosis from SC2, he always seemed way more negative than them

Been watching OGN since 2012, and SKT T1 K took the eyes of many people. Faker definitely isn't as mechanically dominant like he was but I love this World's glow up. Excluding LCS, I was a T1 fan throughout the year. There were some dark years but I am glad T1 was able to run it back.

It was amazing to watch Faker back in 2013. I watched the T1 perfect winter season that happened after Worlds. That was amazing. Faker is awesome because of all the cool memories in lol esports like him in total awe when the entire stadium at MSI sang happy birthday to him. How he never uses skins in game and ppl go crazy when he does. Faker is such an icon of lol esports. Everyone loves him. The fact that he is now the shot caller after already being goat in mechanics is just another addition to him being the absolute ultimate player. Because of this, he will likely become a coach one day. And I hope he wins a bunch of titles as a coach. Faker the GOAT! Faker the Demon King!

I agree with Dom's hi key take. I love the carries in Bo and Upset. I like the coaching staff for this type of team, Yamato worked best on teams that took risks with rosters and playstyle (Vitality with Jizuke and Fnatic with the Bwipo jungle summer), and Steak coming in too: I would have asked Bo if he would like someone else who speaks Mandarin on the team in some capacity if I were a GM myself. The rest of the players are fine when considering budget, Saken is not proven LEC level but the other two are.

I actually saw trolli in target and thought about you guys! Hahaha, I couldn't buy since I'm a brokie, but cheers my friends and thank tou trolli!!

Nice stuff guys

IWillTencent on suicide watch

First, my creds: (Yeah I know, no one asked) I moved to Korea in 2013 and started following Korean league during that Spring, instantly becoming an SKT and Faker fan during his debut split. There may not be many of us from that time period, but I'd like to think there is a strong contingency from the first couple Worlds runs of his career still supporting T1. I've watched every game of SKT/T1 since those days and just recently moved back to the US last year. Now for my rant.. Ambition wasn't "in the middle of the lane" Dom, he was nearly under tower when Faker killed him on Nidalee. Also it's interesting to me how Monte always gets wrapped up in these borderline strawman minority takes. I personally haven't seen the take that Faker is still the mechanical god he used to be and certainly haven't seen it proliferate on social media like Monte makes it out to be. I also AGREE btw that Faker is not a mechanical god these days. But guess what, he gapped Scout 2/3 games in lane and kept up/was more impactful mid-game in the third. He gapped or kept up with knight in lane every game and I would argue had more impact over the map+teamfights in 3/4 games. He gapped Chovy in lane. Was he the best player overall at this tournament? Depends on your criteria. Purely mechanics, no I think that would go to Zeus. The full package though, knowing what he does for T1 macro and strategy? Yes, I'd dare to say. I think this comment that's buried in a reply to another comment sums the rest of my thoughts on recent content from LFN completely. "He ,Thorin, and Dom consistently set up strawmen from singular tweets/reddit comments they've read that are meant to represent a much larger sample size of people than actually exist who believe the 'bullshit' the aforementioned individuals spew. It's basically just superiority-complex venting by reducing the perceived opposition's claims to complete absurdity and elevating themselves far enough above engaging the claims at all that they can avoid dealing with any potential nuance. I too have watched all of Faker's competitive career closely, nearly all of it live and with repeated viewings/review, and I still often come to the conclusions they assume only the 'fake nephew fans" do. Ultimately, the perspectives on this show are just as much rationalized emotion as anyone they disagree with, except they're portrayed as "more objective" due to the perceived latent credibility of longevity in the scene. Hate to break it to "you guys", but simply existing and watching events unfold out of the corner of your eye (with unconscious, bitter disdain might I add; Monte as a KT fan, Thorin as a fan of washed players that never made it, and Dom as a fan of anyone not named Korea/T1) does not guarantee the much sought after credibility of a true expert."

Dang this episode was a miss. Too many weird narratives being pushed.

The easiest digital goods increase I can think of is worlds and MSI icons, have it be simialr to the csgo stickers the teams can design it themselves or just be lame and have the default and then they earn a large cut from that it would incentivize excellence because you get extra cash flow for making it to the international events and actually make some cool items for the game

Great video!

I have bought around 2-3 bags of trolli just because of this sponsorship, thanks trolli

Cautiously optimistic for kcorp.. just the thought of Upset Targa blowing up makes me nervous. Targa not know for playing for his lane and I dont want to see upset play weakside since we all know what his potential is on strong side

I think it's funny that Monte always says "you guys" when the reality is most of the people watching or listening are the actual diehards who have been around. The audience for this show and the people he is flaming usually aren't the same lol

It was a fun year, also im curious if riot will change the format again or stick with swiss-single elim for worlds. Anyways, see ya next year.

Dom casually showing that he, begrudgingly, is one of the biggest Faker-experts in the west, lol

god please save Dgon from the negativity

ive watched his entire career and i remember the days back in 2015-16 when i literally stopped waking up early to watch skt play because i would always just assume they won and 99/100 faker did win

man why everytime i watch monte he talks about faker`s champ pool and he only played 5 champs .. bro what`s going on ? .. was faker champ pool a problem this worlds ?? .. he was playing mostly azir ori cause they are the meta picks in the midlane and enemy didn`t ban them so no shit he will pick them like what ??? u can blame him if he look bad off them but he wasn`t (outside from the ahri game which was his first bad game in the tournament ) ... i don`t get it why he get blamed for playing the meta champs ?? ,, and literally the best midlaners in the world played the same shit azir ori neeko .. chovy only played 5 champs and most of them akali why that don`t bother u ??? he even refused to play ori and gave enemy rumble ori j4 ??? why knight don`t get blamed for only looking good on ori neeko ??? looked shit on akali talyiah and can`t play textbook meta champ like azir which a was a fucking problem vs t1 ?? why we don`t talk about how shit scout looked off azir ori ??? why faker is the only one mentioned despite his champion pool wasn`t a problem .. and i`m not galzing faker and i`m not even saying he is the best and i`m not even saying his champ pool not the same anymore .. i just want to know what the hell u trying to reach ???????

Monte condescendingly telling fans that faker wasnt this macro player that enables his teammates before doesnt align with what his former teammates like huni days.

Trolli is the only eSports sponsor I care about. Sure, i use credit cards, gaming pc accessories, etc., but sour gummy worms are fucking awesome.

Trick2G is liviiing with ZZrot voidlings

We have to understand that although Fakr is the greatest Azir or Sylas, he was great enough to shift from Neeko which shifted how opponents drafted around it to how he gapped everyone enough to beat the best of the best on the Orianna match up to gap them in reverse.

I think a lot of people have some soft of inferiority comlex that they didn't watch league back then and have the feeling they need to push old narratives to somehow still experience 2013-15 story's. They just can't accept that is very normal to only start in the past couple years. I started watching CS in 2018 en LoL last worlds, sure I would've loved to see those old moments but it is what it is now I'm just enjoying LFN content and old reflections of Thorin

Faker was mid lane Jesus at some point, and yes it is amazing that he's learned to shotcall and micro his team to victories, but let's not forget that he had been doing that with Bengi for years. It's still impressive that he can now control his entire team instead of just his jungler.

I'm far from a Dom fan, but honestly, massive respect for the unofficial LPL broadcast. Even if one normal person like me is not a lot, I'll try my best to support it, because I agree, it needs to exist. Huge shout-out

Oh, why was the featured matchup Xiaohu-Faker, Gee, maybe ask that "someone" who likes to push the narrative that Xiaohu is the second greatest player of all-time and really wants to push the idea that 3 MSI titles are comparable to 3 worlds title? Don't you agree, Mr. "I'd take Xiaohu's career over Faker's" Thorin?

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you've watched more of faker than the fans because the biggest haters are also the greatest fans. and i dont think the fans love for faker is any different than doms love for the lpl lol

IWillTencent coping about LPL being the best region this year

I feel like EG robbed us of Danny. We actually had potential to have a JoJo, Danny. And sniper in a year or 2 super team of real NA talent

1:07:00 Greatest Dom line

Ya'll are on notice for when my favorite midlaner Bulldog becomes the GOAT in 5 years

31:18 For all the people claiming that Dom doesn't hate T1

Monte has fallen off so hard, his takes regarding T1 and especially Faker are horrible. Without Faker JDG goes up 2-1 against T1. That Azir shuffle changed everything, literally. We all know he’s not the mechanical beast he used to be but to not call him the best mid in the world right now would be a huge joke

Faker is getting flamed by these guys for playing meta champs😂

I think teams are scrambling for the young korean tier 2 imports because theyre looking for the next berserker.

Supa isn't bad but I definitely didn't have him in the top 3 ADCs of EMEA championship.

Dgon when monte and dom shitting on kpop: I should’ve get better guests😂

No, MVP of the tournament was Faker. Oner improved alot over the course of the tournament, and I would put him as the second in T1 roster for this Worlds. But Oner was horrible in the early phase of the tournament. In the game against TL, instead of taking care of the bot lane that is hard pushing lane early (when the enemy jungler is Lee Sin), he ganks top and fails and gives over 2 kills to TL. Meanwhile, Pyosik Lee SIn ganks bot lane and kills 1, which gives early advantages to TL's bot lane as well. There was no need to hard dive top when your top is Jayce and when your bot lane, which desperately needs early advantage against high late game value enemy bot comp, pushes lane hard to gain early upperhand. Oner should have looked for counter ganks in bot. That decision alone nearly cost T1 the game. The only fact that T1 was better team allowed T1 to gradually win over TL through teamfights. Also, look at the game between T1 and Gen.G. Compare that game to JDG vs LNG game 1 and look at how Kanavi's Vi and Missing's Lulu are always one step ahead of enemy to play around Orianna while Orianna is split pushing. They position themselves faster than their opponent, gain vision advantage, preventing the enemy from making a quick collapse onto Orianna. Oner's jarvan did not know what to do in that game. He gains vision control at top and then moves towards mid, leaving a blank space allowing enemy to collapse onto Faker's Orianna. After T1 got the early advantage because Faker clapped Chovy in lane, Oner was running all over the place and did not know how to position himself around the map to priortize advantage. It was only from T1 vs BLG game that Oner figured out the right way to play the game. You can say that Faker was the 'worst' player in T1 during the Finals (though I would still say Guma was the 'worst' in the Finals and put Faker in 3rd - it was Zeus and Oner that carried the series and rest of the team just hopped onto the bus without overturning it) It is very funny that you guys are emphasizing the fact that Faker missed the charms in game 1. Sure, he had a bad game 1 of the series. But then he got better in game 2. And he CARRIED game 3. Why aren't you guys point out the fact that Zeus and Oner choked couple of times in the early phase of the game 3 of the finals (that gave huge advantage to Weibo) but busy pointing out Faker's Ahri missing charms? If you have experience as a progamer and caster, then you guys should know by now that missing couple of skillshots (unless it became the reason why they lost the game) isn't as nearly important as actually choking in lane phase. It was Faker's Akali successfully bypassing Azir Ult into WeiWei's Vel'koz and chomped down many of his health - which forced him to flash onto Zeus's Aatrox (and feeding him as a result) - that changed the course of the game. Plus, Faker did triple kills in the following teamfight around dragon, which put a final nail on a coffin. Then he initiated the next fight, destroying Weibo's team formation, win that teamfight and got the baron. So yeah, Faker carried game 3. Zeus's Aatrox surviving 1 vs 5 on the final fight was only possible because Faker's play allowed T1 to be that much ahead in the first place. You guys are not being honest with yourself as a 'professional'. Please be objective, or at least pretend to be objective and be fair. It was Faker that was the best out of all T1 roster and got the MVP of the series in both Quarterfinals and Semifinals. Faker simply gapped Scout in lane and outperformed Knight throughout the game, especially in teamfights and other crucial moments around objectives. Faker played the best out of all his teammates against the strong opponents like JDG (which I think would have either 3-0 or 3-1 Weibo in the Finals had they won the Semis) and carried his team to the finals when it mattered the most. Without Faker's dominance in teamfights and his clutch plays in game 3 against JDG, it would have been JDG on the Golden Road, not T1's 4th title. So yes, there was a great reason why the fans, especially after his performance against BLG in the Worlds, expected very highly of Faker. There is a reason why casters and analysts are focusing on praising Faker for hours: he is not only the GOAT (which is good for narrative of the tournament) but also the MVP of the tournament. How much better does Faker need to play so that you guys can actually acknowledge the fact that Faker was the MVP of the tournament?

Saying 8 teams brings a higher level of player distribution is just wrong with zven spica licorice etc not getting a slot

BAD VERSION OF GORILLAZ. Yes! This is exactly what I was feeling and now I know the perfect words for it.

the promotion system DOM talked about but then with cblol teams ascending to gain viewership

Idk why monte seems hates this faker guy so much.

It is very funny too for the kpop fan angle, they had NewJeans on the back of the stage while the focus was on the clunky AR and the random actor for almost the whole song so a large amount of that side was not even happy with it either. A lot of comments where you could see people trying their hardest to act like...well I mean they were there? Really reaching for anything trying to be positive.

Nah Dom is spitting about the Oner glow up. Dude spent the year not playing bot side in abbot heavy meta and trolling games into absolutely smurfing every worlds game and dictating the outcomes of them. Oner went from thinking about what team he was gonna go to after T1 into being the best jgler in the tourney

DGON particularly friend this episode

Sad to hear lpl wont be broadcasted in english. As euw player who only watches lpl this sucks 😅

Oh right, and the "Oner was the MVP of the whole tournament." opinion from Dom and Monte. CLEARLY someone erased the first couple of games of swiss rounds from their memory, because Oner's Jarvan was uh, NOT GOOD in those early games. Like how he whiffed E-Q and accidentally dove mid-turret vs C9, or how he left Faker to die in top lane vs GenG (Faker was actively asking for someone, just one person to cover him; Oner just... didn't). He improved massively after these games, but it doesn't mean they didn't happen. Oh, and they conveniently forget that in games 1 and 3 of the finals, Weiwei was doing much more in the early game and Zeus/Oner kept getting killed in 2v2s (WBG was 3-1 up in kills early in both games). Even in Game 2, they failed their lv6 Tower Dive on TheShy; TheShy just inted immediately afterward. Also, fuck this "broadcast ignored Oner/Zeus to only talk about Faker" narrative these two are trying to push. The broadcast talked about them A LOT. Emily, specifically, repeatedly pointed out how much Oner improved this Worlds compared to his very lackluster LCK summer season. These two are just mad the less-hardcore fans who aren't that deep into League gravitated toward, oh I don't know, the single-most recognizable ID in the entirety of this game's existence, and Riot's decision to focus their promotion on that.

LPL is 2nd tier league by Dom’s standards. For 2 years straight, mind you.

FINE 41:38 - And just so Monte knows my balls dropped in 2005 so just in time for Fakers first worlds win. Take that! and i also knew the 2015 question becuz im geniuz

Ahh yes I remember when Faker was in Judgement Day :)

Best lol talk show out there! Hope to see u guys next year

Its not a bad take to think K pop isnt good. It is a bad take to think Heartsteel is Kpop boy band and GODS is a kpop song. GODS is an anthem song sung in all english by a group who happens to be kpop based. Heartsteel is just a boy band with a single korean singer (who has het to sing a single korean word for said kpop boy band)

Whats SUPER funny to me about them saying DSG getting blasted by shopify would be sad. Is shopify poached 2 of DSGs players in zeyzal and Fakegod LMAO Guys cmon at least do a little research on guys moving to the LCS from the NACL.

Monte knows all, and us plebs can't think for ourselves. Bow down!

Current Faker is not valued by his mechanics and champion pools, rather Faker's core values are his leadership and league IQs that lead to 2023 T1 victories. Without Faker T1 can't even make it to worlds.. There are no world final mvp form Zeus, no world class performers in Oner + Guma, and no world's best support in Keria without Faker piloting them to the stage. Which makes great case for Faker to keep playing until he said "enough".

Monte and Dom still mad Choky, Knight and Scout got exposed?

Montecristo..how are you so daft bruh...you want to make Zeus choking finals part of the narrative for the featured match-up?? You DO KNOW that T1 just wouldn't agree to making such a trailer, period. I mean, why would they? putting immense pressure and emotional hardship on their 19 year old top laner before an already emotionally charged game?! their whole strategy has been to keep zeus out of the spotlight this time around, just have him swag in with shades, say nothing and carry games - they put the spotlight on Guma and Faker DELIBERATELY the whole tournament: in the trailers and in the interviews and even in their documentary releases because they aren't sensitive to these kind of fan narratives Think before you speak, man

Massive respect to Dom for keeping the English LPL broadcast alive. Truly a legend of the LoL pro scene.

Dom's rant at 1:03:00 was the rant of the year from any esport talk show

Those who were dropped on their head at birth are gonna have to come up with a new chant... RIP TSM.

as a korean who doesnt necessarily love Kpop (but kda is a banger), I am not at all offended by Monty and Dom’s absolute thrashing session 😂😂😂😂 kudos to them

As much as I contest the Kpop takes from Dom and Monte, as a Kpop fan myself, I also hate Kpop stans. Just the word 'stan' is super fkin weird to me as it is, since it's, you know, a portmanteau of 'stalker' and 'fan', and the worst part is, the word like perfectly describes some of the Kpop fans/stans. How obsessive they are over their idols is downright unhealthy and they have bullied idols to suicide on at least 1 or 2 occasions I can remember. You would've thought that they learned by now to not be so mentally deranged, but of course they haven't and continue to make Kpop fans look like the most mentally ill fandom in the world (not sure if there would ever be any concrete data on this, but I wouldn't be remotely surprised if Kpop stans made it to top 5).

32:18 - yah dude! Oner and Zeus were amazing. I also thought Gumayushi and Keira were also VERY good. Great mechanics. Also very aware in team fights. You can tell Faker is the shot caller. He’s older so it’s harder to do all the mechanical stuff and the reason he’s in the game is because of his extensive knowledge. Faker’s champion pool is limited (probably by choice) and you can tell he picks for CC mid.

These guys are amazing at creating fake outrage over few internet posts from bots or insane fans. They should run for office. You get more out of gaslighting the general populus than just league fans. Please point me to one source that says vast majority (or even a significant portion) of league fans or T1 fans say that Faker is still a mechanical god. Or that it was all Faker this tournament. Only Monte can say what most reasonable people are thinking and say it in a way that annoys people with the same thoughts.

I only casually started following the League scene in 2014, stopped in 2018 (because of personal reasons; that year was the hardest year of my life), came back to League in 2019, and began to truly follow it again in 2020. Ngl, I was actually able to answer all of Dgon's Faker-related questions before Monte and Dom did, was even shouting "BECAUSE EASYHOON!!!!" at my screen when you were wondering why Faker only played a few games in 2015. And still, I think able to answer those questions ultimately mean nothing aside from having a good memory. I certainly don't think I'm more of an authority than anyone when it comes to analyzing Faker's legacy, because, at the end of the day, everybody has their own narratives and agenda that they want to push and believe. That, and everyone has different sets of criteria for determining their GOAT. That said, I do agree with some of Monte and Dom's take about Faker, though. I just think they're also a bit delusional and hypocritical (short-sighted and laughable even) when they start talking about the delusional fans.

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I personally thought it was the worst Finals opening EVER.