Vivaldi is proprietary software. You don't know what proprietary software is doing because you can't audit the code. That being said...there's the door. This channel will always champion FREE AND OPEN SOURCE software.

@@DistroTube more like FLOSS: FREE LIBRE OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE

@@DistroTube You just gained my subscription. Vivaldi is shady.

Why do people seem to announce when they "leave?" I appreciate DT with his gracious response as he is a public figure and is a bit restricted as to how he can approach his responses. That said: I dont have to be. BRUH, if you're going to act like a little dramatic bish, by all means fk the fk right the fk off. You don't have to make some drama queenstyle announcement. That is how my teenage daughter acts. Are you a teenage lil bish? If not, act accordingly. We know you still lurk anyway. Ever try a counter argument rather than acting like a lil bish? Just a thought... This is why the world needs Fathers in the household, imho. Keeps dudes from acting like women who het hurt by opinions lol. Good lord..

Begone, Vivaldi spy

"if you don't agree with the agreement they want, don't use their services"

@Ch Pe Kurdt kobain...Nirvana

#paranoidbychoice

It used to be if you said stuff about electronic devices spying on you you would be locked up in the psych ward. Now it's reality.

@Original Gamer Says the person that obviously doesn't care about their privacy...

@HaloBaller9813 They can override VPNs? Now that should be illegal

@Rahmi Acar I'm surprised more antitrust cases havent been filed against Google, Microsoft, and Apple

@Rahmi Acar Thats a good point

@@michaelchalupiak7272 man.. by this time its like suing your own government.

Agreed

If its for the purpose of support. Then ask to collect the data at the point the user requests support. If its to know how people use your application and better improve your product, then just ask people. Taking that information is lame.

I'm in webdev space and I try to show / warn my friends about this all the time. Everything I do on a website down to database reads and request logging, they're aware of. At least they're more educated on how it all works, and can beware things like FB and insta, because they're not going to be as transparent as a fren.

I'm not actually sure about that. I think opt in telemetry is actually counter intuitive. If you want to have privacy companies should respect that and let you opt outbut the data can be used to affect real world change and most people don't care about their data. Moreover you are usually exchanging a portion of your privacy for convenience. Free software is usually not "free with no strings". It's the users choice to not read EULAs and give away their data in exchange for let's say a gmail account.

@@mberlinger3 Telemetry should be off by default and hidden in the settings. Sane defaults.

Some of the open software that does upload telemetry lets you see exactly what's going to be sent before you allow the data to be uploaded.

@@user-tm3fz7qx3s Most ask you if you're okay with it, if you're not, you can't deny it

Nice.

My Apple // never spied on me. Pirated software on floppy disks sent by mail were a sure thing then (for the older generation, do you remember Locksmith which could copy tracks bit by bit, even track 0?)

That was pushed me to Linux.

Yeah... old good permaban in XP 🤠

@Its GNU /Freedom Good Point. But there are times when I use a Windows VM in virtualbox.

Those accusations are made by the same types that are blocking poll watchers from watching the votes get counted.

watch him on LBRY

Regarding the problem of not disclosing the usage of telemetry, I think the best solution is for the telemetry to be reported to a public server (e.g. available for all to see on GitHub), but the same users who are against telemetry are also the ones who want privacy. You can't have it all, not because they don't want you to, but because of the nature of this problem. You either know they can't sell it but your data is public, or the opposite.

Instead of complaining about a problem, give a solution. Try maintaining a popular software product and see if you keep the same opinions. It's like saying food should never have calories while still expecting the food companies to make food that gives you energy. .

If I could choose I would prefer Google Meet over things like MS Teams or Zoom, Google is already one big company that lives out of spying you, but at least some of their money goes to the development of their open-source projects like AOSP, Chromium, Android Studio etc. What kind of open-source projects does Zoom or Microsoft have? Okay, MS have VSC, but it is anyway distributed under EULA and people needs to bypass that licensing by creating FOSS forks...

Don't use it for anything. Schools have done everything from from turning on webcams in students' bedrooms to trawling their social media and punishing them for things out of their jurisdiction. Don't say anything private around a device given to you by school, tape over the camera when it's not in use, etc. You won't be in school forever, beware of the normalisation of this stuff.

@@jb_lofi Thanks For The Advice :D

@Online Privacy Needed The thing is on top of that, people generally don't care as long as nothing illegal is done with their data (Theft of bank data for example).

"So you don't mind me following you when you go to the bathroom and sit on the toilet? Because you have nothing to hide, you know."

@Online Privacy Needed A much better example is frankly the history of activism in the United States (because it'll hit far harder than something as extreme as Stalinist USSR). You think the US government is above that sort of thing? I don't care what kind of crazy brainwashed patriot you are, the US government has spied non, smeared, and worse, every single civil rights movement that we today consider to have been totally just and right in their cause. Not to mention how easily any third party could get their hands on "lawfully acquired" data or backdoors. It should be clear that privacy matters, and "oh I've got nothing to hide!" is an asinine, bootlicking excuse regardless of where you live.

@@hiddingclover "So it's cool if I point my telescope and wall-penetrative parabolic microphones at your house and hear everything you do and steal glances through open windows or when you use the pool? You know, it'll be your fault if you leave your windows open a crack while you're changing. What? What have you got to hide?"

Exactly, that's why OSS and FOSS are two different things.

@@ApocOfWind I guess we could argue that the word "free" here has enough ambiguity for us to question its precise definition... But for me it always was in the context of money and nothing else.

@Its GNU /Freedom That's the good thing about it :)

Exactly

"I could run naked on the street in a foreign city because I know I will never see this people again." What if someone from this foreign city records you while running naked and then uploads it to KZfaq, so it magically gets viral or it goes straight for your family or friends? Everyone has smartphone in their hands today. To record video, audio or take pictures is easy.

@@MarkHobbes you shouldn't take it that seriously it's just a metaphor

@@aphextwin8520 Privacy should be take seriously.

@Fine Wine for users in China* are you in China?

@Fine Wine if you actually took the time to read an article you’d know that it’s access to the data of Chinese consumers and not all consumers. Are you using a fair phone? Have you bought anything from china? You’re doing it as well

@Fine Wine and also it’s interesting that you didn’t mention apple’s response to the allegations of some random blog but instead started talking about some other part of apple

@Fine Wine and what proof do you have of that? I’m gonna assume that you use Linux. Unlike Linux on the desktop you can actually use macOS to get stuff done without spending half a working day trouble shooting.

@Fine Wine Ive used linux distros, they mostly suck on the desktop, they're great in server environments but on the desktop they suck. Apps are of a lower quality, you barely get any creature comforts that the other OS'es give you, hardware support is terrible, sure printers work but if you have anything a bit more complex than that like a scanner or maybe a stream deck most of them just dont work. Lets say you wanna update just one app thats not an easy option get update updates the entire thing (who thought that that was a great idea) sucks, why do companies collect data in the first place? To improve their AI systems and to serve you ads, outside of the App Store apple doesn't have an ad service and Apples AI is far behind what google has been able to accomplish with its AI by using as much data as they can, So the question is why would they want your data? If they were monetising user data their services wouldnt be so expensive (iCloud) the part I dont like about this video is that apple themselves responded to this. there'sontop of vanilla android thats closed source and that infringes upon your privacy a shit ton more than apple does and there's concrete proof of this. So dont bring up android as a shining beacon of privacy when its not. doesn'tall the time

Nothing

The best thing to do is to have on the Internet no device, except Linux laptop/desktop. The worse being an Android or Apple phone/tablet.

try flashing a custom rom a de-googled android

Lol yeah...’smart’ tv. Even the robot vacuum like the roombas with camera load your home layout plan to their db...

Wait until you hear about sites that don't open on modern browsers because they need flash to work and that's why Internet Explorer is still used in so many places.

Enterprise versions of Windows may actually be more secure, and now that I think about it, I think they are; you have way more control over updates and telemetry and shit like Cortana when you're talking about a domain computer. Makes sense. Microsoft doesn't want IBM to discover them trespassing on corporate secrets. Individual people who likely can't afford even the most open-shut-case legal battle, however? Well. Well.

@@jb_lofi i too use the ltsc version. Its great.

Wait, seriously you can't bootcamp in new macbook?

@@ilhamadiputra4745 From what I understand no, until the hackers find a workaround. Also the new macbook is using ARM so good luck with that. I'll use thinkpads and rasberry pi's.

Same here! They don't even allow us to use our personal laptops most of the time because they aren't as locked down and surveilled as the Chromebooks and they might not be able to put their proprietary testing and monitoring software on them.

what does getting an ip of someone help? tf? you just get what city they're in

Agree

I'm curious, do you know any that's good ? (serious, not sarcasm)

Jitsi, Signal, Nextcloud talk and Jami are the best i know of.

Mumble for example, but you need to host/rent a server

@@jorgeeddde7080 mumble's only for voice I think

I'll be honest, im one of those people. Reason i dont want to talk about it because ill have to spend way too much time to look for alternatives and sometimes (let's be real here) not every app has all functions i need and not every pc can handle having a different app for different function. Like many said, its the path of least resistance. I do want to be more cautious about my privacy but it is extremely hard to be, because everything i already have is spying on me and I just simply have to be an expert to pick out everything that is spying and replace it or not use it at all. That takes a lot of time. We just have to accept it. The only method for me to be spyware free would also be to just simply abandon tech and live like amish people or just leave society altogether and live in the woods somewhere. would i do that? no. Its especially hard when you have to use proprietary software for school/work, or when you are required to use a proprietary software for school/work. Not saying that you can't use something like, idk, a vm for that, but if your pc cant handle it, what other option besides having to deal with it? and that's coming from someone who tries to look for alternatives. when it comes to "path of least resistance", many would prefer something that just works and is KNOWN to work just because they don't know better. Yes i know you didn't say that but it is how it is.

*@Fabricin* _"Javascript itself is not a problem."_ Dissagree, javascript should be deprecated.

Oh, no. Micro$hit's Billy need money, he is homeless lol

If you are talking about popcon, I'm glad Debian has it disabled by default.

yes, use software tgat doesnt have any and is open source

dt is not bald

@@AssemblyWizard I didn't say he was.