Is This OVERKILL for Home Theater?

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When it comes to home theater, is there a such thing as overkill? Watch these (8) 18's flex a door - • Irene Scene - Door Flex
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@rhysbartlett55 4 жыл бұрын

Well, according to my wife it was a dark dark day when I found your channel. Such is life I say. Keep it up

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Hahaha. Don’t let her know where I live

@herrtrigger7220 3 жыл бұрын

sounds like it's time to upgrade!

@simkinsfrank4169 3 жыл бұрын

I have 13 speakers and 3 10” subs into 1.33 ohms into a 1 ohm load amp. Does it count if it’s in my 19’ boat?

@ironcloud8457 3 жыл бұрын

Lol my girlfriend gets pissed when she hears that “pink noise” when doing levels 😂😂😂

@Laissez_Faire 2 жыл бұрын

😂

@VividTheater 4 жыл бұрын

When your system starts destroying your house and your neighbors house, then that is when you hit the overkill threshold.

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

That’s what the volume knob is for

@VividTheater 4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Usually owners of endless system power and massive subs lack volume discipline lol. The wife or the cops are the only true volume knob.

@lunatikk1967 4 жыл бұрын

@@VividTheater Yo rock but THAT is when you know your home theater is just right 🤣

@JerrysHouseMusic1 3 жыл бұрын

When you can’t here anything but bass and you can’t here Dialogue or effects .. then yes it’s overkill

@rico9391 3 жыл бұрын

That's not overkill. That's ridiculous.

@Bradimus1 4 жыл бұрын

Overkill = Almost Enough

@HossLUK 4 жыл бұрын

there's no such thing as overkill when it comes to your passion

@alford35 4 жыл бұрын

Nope not at all. Overkill in audio just means headroom or lack of distortion if proper gear. Less distortion, higher efficiency, and proper gear equals better everything lol

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

That’s my thoughts exactly

@paultripp1156 4 жыл бұрын

I’m 62 years old, just bought my first set of hearing aids, yes... there is such a thing as overkill once you get to a certain point you pay a whole lotta money for just a little bit, how ever there is a lotta people out there that go the underkill road.... and that really sucks, your right plenty of power is always better, comfortable volume is best, bragging rights..... well that’s stupid!

@bphilbac 4 жыл бұрын

Paul Tripp Well said Paul! I agree totally.

@Sloimer 4 жыл бұрын

“Overkill”? Sorry - I’m not familiar with that term.

@fdezdebobadilla 4 жыл бұрын

"overkill" would mean that it would be 'too much' sound power

@Sloimer 4 жыл бұрын

ivanhoe 1968 woosh

@gibluap 3 жыл бұрын

@@Sloimer he took you literally! Lol! Although, you were serious! Lol

@adamk5305 4 жыл бұрын

Of course there is overkill, but the threshold for which differs among all HT enthusiasts.

@danielseguin913 4 жыл бұрын

This video is a gem. Came right on time for me as I was asking myself the same question about my future plans upgrading my HT. I’m a fan of you and your videos. You are doing good presentations and provide very helpful knowledge. Thank you for sharing!

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much Daniel I’m glad you’re enjoying the content

@sleeper1023 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for raising and discussing these points. As someone relatively new to the hobby, this dispels a lot of misconceptions I have--making it clearer for me to select which hardware to acquire.

@b3owu1f 2 жыл бұрын

Man..this was such a great video. I kinda knew some of this already.. but the way you talked about multiple subs lowering the workload of one to pressurize the room.. that really made good sense.

@jallred2 3 жыл бұрын

Great talk, I agree with your points on blending subs within the soundfield and having headroom for your speakers.

@atorgrotto 4 жыл бұрын

Just became a patreon 120db crew, well done videos, also just finished my home theatre with a Marantz AVR with 5 channel amp with the help of your videos, made the decision a no brainer. Made my home theater come to life! Thanks for all you do Michael!

@drew9932 3 жыл бұрын

Been playing for years, decades even. But learned so much with this video. Thank you!

@Youthman 3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it. I learn something new every day

@shaneducholke364 4 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean about subs needing to pressurized the room. Best thing I ever did during construction is I used tuck tape and acoustic sealant on ever electrical box, over every staple I used for the poly, on every stud, every base and head board so it was completely air tight. I also got sealed plugs to go in every air vent and I used sealed exterior doors to prevent air loss. This was mostly done for addition al sound proofing (plus alot more) but I noticed a significant improvement to my sub response and believe that has to do with a sealed room. It sounded like I doubled my subs and took me days to fix all the rattled.

@peritia5703 4 жыл бұрын

Wonderful and informative video! I really appreciate that you went into such great detail to explain your positions.

@ProjectSOG 2 жыл бұрын

Very good information and super educational. Thank you so much!

@budgetaudiophile6048 4 жыл бұрын

I honestly feel it's impossible to have "too much" subwoofer in a room. If I could afford to have 5 32" subs (they're about 3 grand each) instead of the 5 18s I have currently and 6 24" subs (they're about 2 grand each) instead of the 6 15s, I'd do that. Just gain match, time align, set your levels, send it! It's all about HEAD . . to the ROOM!

@deputysheriff5994 4 жыл бұрын

Very informative!Thank you! Would love to have all the power when you need it for sure!So yes would love to be in a position of "over kill"!

@adamrodriguez4027 4 жыл бұрын

All i heard was that a man bought two more massive subs based on one movie scene

@rafaelruiz-tagle358 4 жыл бұрын

You sure make an awesome show every time… Every Time! Thanks for giving us your knowledge and experience!

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Glad you are enjoying the content Rafael

@DuraMaxDieHard101 3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. I even run 2,000 watts to 12 inch subwoofers in my truck but they're dialed in. I also wanted to say thank you very much for sharing the difference in subwoofer because I am looking for new ones.

@akjannu 4 жыл бұрын

Great Video ! I fully agree with Youthman !! we must have enough headroom in both Amplifier and SW/Speakers to enjoy movies or music. I have a dual 12 inch Sunfire and Dennon 11.2 with Marantz 5 channel power Amp MM 7055 for earlevel speakers sounds great both at high and low volumes !!

@DerekBove 4 жыл бұрын

I like this format of video. Lots of common misconceptions out there, and this is timely as I look at external amplification :)

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I’m trying some new things on the channel. Seeing what people enjoy the most. Thank you for the feedback

@justinthibodeaux1460 4 жыл бұрын

Super informative. Loved hearing your perspective on this!

@sabrewolf9567 3 жыл бұрын

Great video I’m just starting to dive into the hobby. I had been wondering about this exact topic for a little while now. Thanks for all the info keep up the great work.

@shaneducholke364 4 жыл бұрын

When I built by home theater room 15 years ago, I found a very detailed formula that was used to fi s out the optimum and maximum amp watch to a particular speaker. It used sensitivity, max speaker capability, cable length, room volume and total number of speakers ( I may have missed on or added one, it was a long time ago) you plugged those numbers into 2 different formulas, 1 gives you minimum per channel and the other gave you maximum. I believe max was based on +10 or basically a level you would never listen to. This helped you get the beat performance without hurting your speakers. I bought just above the max and my AVR does not over work or get too hot. I just wish I could find it again. I tho k it was in a really old Sound and Vision Magazine

@dirkbisschoff8946 4 жыл бұрын

I fully agree with you Youthman! It's NOT overkill if the amps, speakers & subs are dialed in correctly. Great video 🤘

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@JingoLoBa57 4 жыл бұрын

Very thoughtful and thorough video. Learned a lot thank you. I hope listeners can distinguish between dialed in and overkill. Maybe a follow up vid on diff scenarios and how to calibrate overkill from just right (or under powered too). Well done. Mind you I guess a virtual reality headset and chair maybe just as effective in communicating the experience you are looking for too. Cheaper and easier to set up, lol. Just not social...

@BradleyButlerDrums 4 жыл бұрын

Port chuffing is something I wasn’t familiar with but I had an experience with my sub that it made a “fluttery” sound and I had no idea what it was. So I looked up what it was after you said that phrase and sure enough that was the problem. Thanks for the knowledge!

@brawlman 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent summarization... Well done 👍

@TheKrillmeisterswe 4 жыл бұрын

Overkill is a "term" that doesn't exist when it comes to hometheater

@strtngfrsh 4 жыл бұрын

Overkill is a term that should exist in everyone's vocabulary when it comes to home theater.

@charlesm.9858 4 жыл бұрын

I agree!! Mine in THX certified and it’s the Perfect set up according to Lucas Film and they are the God fathers of how sound should sound and I have been to their studios and I have NEVER heard anything like it that comes close!! And I have installed theater Gear worth over a hundred thousand dollars... so I can confidently say..There is Term that does matter like YouthMan says.😁

@johndoe9501 3 жыл бұрын

@@charlesm.9858 my $20 earbuds are thx certified

@Majorowsky1337 3 жыл бұрын

id say same comes to the car audio ;)

@TheKrillmeisterswe 3 жыл бұрын

@@strtngfrsh nope

@Quetzalcoatl0 4 жыл бұрын

Can't agree more. My 0.02 $ is that you need an amp that can do 2x the power of what your speakers are rated, not PEAK power, but the nominal power. If you have more, then that's even better. Would you rather drive a car with a top speed of 170km/h at 160km/h or a car with top speed of 250km/h at 160km/h ? Also remember that the less the cone is moving the cleaner the sound, the lesser of distortion. So having 4 - 8 or more subwoofers will make the bass more clean, and you would be able to reach lower digits hz, even single digit hz.(if sealed, vented can't produce under port tuning).

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Completely agree

@inglouriousmofo 4 жыл бұрын

Amp/speaker matching can be tricky sometimes, but having way more amp power to speakers can be dangerous. I agree you do need a bit more (25-30% is my general rule) but 2x rms is overkill and just asking for blown speakers.

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve used 200wpc for years with a ton of speakers and have never damaged a speaker.

@inglouriousmofo 4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman Yes, and I agree, but that's not a good example. In your case, the speakers may be underrated. Try 2000 watts to a 1000 watt speaker and see what happens. All I was saying is twice the power is not always a good rule to follow. Also you can't always follow receiver wattage specs. 100 watts from a receiver is not always equal to 100 watts from a power amplifier for example. When you push your system, most likely your speakers are seeing a bit lower than that rated receiver power depending on the company.

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Common sense has to be used as well. I would have zero issues running a 2000 watt amp with speakers that are rated at 1000 watts. It would be dumb for anyone to turn it wide open. But then again, running a lower wattage wife open is just as dangerous due to distortion and clipping.

@vansonmafeet734 4 жыл бұрын

I've told my wife I am looking to get a second subwoofer for my theater, which of course she thinks I don't need. Every time we watch a movie I ask her "did you like that?" She says yes of course. So I tell her that everything I've purchased for the home theater I bought for her enjoyment, I'm not being selfish. That seems to work. .....looks like I'll be getting that second sub fairly soon.

@mitch7983monkey 4 жыл бұрын

Just so everything can blend seamlessly I made sure to include the WF Factor at 22:30 mark! Great topic and video, Big Thumbs Up!!!

@bartl006 4 жыл бұрын

I think it was Tom Danley (used to work with Jeff P way back in the day) who said that drivers and loundspeakers start getting into non-linearity/distortion at 10% of rated power. Great video! keep it up, and see if you can get a Danley TH-50 in for review. I'd be curious to know how it compares to your current set up

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Danley is next level as well. They design subwoofers for Football Stadiums LOL

@FinnishArmy 4 жыл бұрын

I upgraded my TV to a 70" 4K last year. In July, on my birthday; I'm getting a 4K blu-ray player and a 4K 9.2 channel receiver for myself. I'm very excited! Been watching 1080p blurays with 7.1/5.1 surround. I have a full 7.2.2 setup, just no way to fully utilize all the speakers I installed myself. Dolby Atmos is going to be so great!!

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Congrats on the upgrades!

@davidtallott3070 4 жыл бұрын

IMAX audio engineers speak of head room in a KZfaq video discussing there speakers and amp. They use a a really great example with driving a car either flooring it all the time or having enough power in the engine to go faster when needed. Thanks for your videos youthman always learning from you.

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Glad you are finding the content helpful.

@nonametofame 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, definitely. This was touched on in your video regarding subwoofers, but having too large of speakers for a small space can present issues. You will introduce significant room gain in bass, if you're not able to pull them away from the walls/corners. This will result in requiring proper room treatment (which isn't cheap) and appropriate room correction to tame excessive bass frequencies, which can cause bloating and unevenness. So, yes, you can overpower your room with too much displacement. Every room is different, so you need to do the proper research.

@Sensi1995 4 жыл бұрын

Lots of good info in this video again thanks!

@ARSENALS-cn8mv 3 жыл бұрын

SIR I REALLY DO RESPECT ABT THE LOVE ND KNOWLEDGE U HAV FOR THE HOME THEATERS ND AUDIO SYSTEMS..I NEVER MISSED A SINGLE VIDEOS OF YOURS..KEEP IT UP..🇦🇺🦘🦘

@garryhammond3117 4 жыл бұрын

Total agreement Sir. Overdriving and distortion lead to speaker distruction. Of course, one could also go "stupid" and run way too much power into a given speaker.

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Yes you still have to use common sense. If you have a 200 watt rms speaker and feed it 1000 watts and try and turn it wide open, you are asking for trouble

@KlipschHead281 4 жыл бұрын

Very well done video, I have tried explaining there is no such thing as overkill to people since 1978! Explaining distortion, clipping etc.... I'm going to point people to this video, thanks. The other thing I have to explain is phase, for some people some people can't tell when speakers are out of phase, back in the day it seemed most stereo stores had speakers hooked up this way, drove my ears insane.

@howi5065 4 жыл бұрын

Grait video man. Realy like your videos and Content, keep up the good work!! 👌 I actualy started building my very first Home theater just 3 days ago, and man i am learning much from your videos. Thanks!!! 😎👍

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Congrats! Enjoy the journey

@howi5065 4 жыл бұрын

Youthman Thanks! 👍 I am leaning towards Klipsch speakers. Now I just have 5.1 of Dali. But want something bigger and with more punch!! 😎

@jessicaembers924 2 ай бұрын

I've got overkill in an efficiency apartment? I've got eight 15" band speakers with horns wired in series parallel with a 1,000 watt Allen Heath powered mixer, and a 3 way 540 watt studio monitor system. They blend phenomenal, i like that old school new school approach.

@SrinathKanugovi 4 жыл бұрын

good info @Youthman ... thank u 😊

@mgdotto1 4 жыл бұрын

Wow super super super informative I am trying to build my system and don’t want to make mistakes THANK YOU!!!! SO MUCH

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Glad to help

@bucknertarsney7674 4 жыл бұрын

It’s a $$$ spent for value consideration. Sure, on an unlimited budget, more is better, but that is rarely a reality in a low or mid level HT build. Amplification power and speaker efficiency is key, balanced with $$$ invested is highly important.

@path9mm 4 жыл бұрын

That's why I went the DIY route.

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

You can get a lot of value to performance with DIY if you are handy

@JesusISdaonlyway 4 жыл бұрын

You illustrated that a single subwoofer may struggle to pressurize your room. Where as, more of them working together can share the load and makes it that they all work less for a cleaner sound and maintain health of the equipment! That just makes so much sense. I experienced that with a Polk + Marantz SR8001 set up I had. I had four speakers (no subwoofer) and I noticed how just two of them on would struggle but when I turned all four on, the sound especially at louder volumes seemed to make my walls disappear. I also noticed that when all four speakers were on, the excursion of all the woofers was less but the sound was more and I was able to turn the amp up higher without distortion. I love how scientific this stuff is. Yeah I'm a nerd! Beautiful explanation though!

@michaelbauer6126 4 жыл бұрын

The term “overkill” is in my vocabulary but is limited by my budget! I appreciate all the components I’d like to have but know that some are simply not affordable for me! 👍😁

@Guitar387 4 жыл бұрын

I have a very modest budget home cinema system , REL 400 sub ,Denon 2600 and four mission lx 2 speakers and a mission lx centre speaker , I have two monitor audio radius 45 for atmos. My room is only 12 foot square and it’s enough. But I love watching audiophile you tubers like this man.

@dc2prashant 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks sir very informative

@merwynvincent 4 жыл бұрын

Wow not many ppl talk abt these things. I'm surprised that a subwoofer worth 3000$ too flap around when it's loud. I believed a svs 18" sub would just complete my system!!! Presently I have two Rockford fosgate T2 built into my custom boxes which does a very neat job in reproducing low end till 14hz. But it flaps around when I crank up to 0db. Till now I thought it does that as I designed the box and system. U really put a light into the topic most reviews won't tell about their $3000 subwoofers.... Very honest review. Thanks......👍

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

I think it would be great if SVS made an 18”.

@merwynvincent 4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman When I have saved enough to buy a svs, I hope they have an18" then!!!!

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Don’t hold your breath lol

@markkaupas8921 3 жыл бұрын

I had to come back and listen to your video again. Just like seeing a movie twice because you enjoy watching it.

@offshorevids7073 4 жыл бұрын

Love you sight!!! Avid viewers here! Sure do wish you would also review HOME THEATER SEATING...especially the BIG & TALL seats. Seems like nobody on KZfaq does this. Keep up the great vids!!!

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

I have several home theater seating reviews on my channel. Look up Valencia Tuscany, Valencia Verona and Valencia Oxford on my channel. I have not reviewed any Big and Tall seats though.

@shadrachjackson752 4 жыл бұрын

Wow! That is.... Wow! I like it. I understand it. I probably would do something similar to that if I had the opportunity. I wonder what it sounds like. I wonder how far can you hear that away from the house. I wonder if you can hear that from maybe a couple blocks away.

@gilbertrios5283 3 жыл бұрын

Wow this is HT 101, I wish I had had a video like this one to guide me into this crazy hobby when I first started back in the 90's... Some great info here for the rookie! Now as far as overkill is concerned, I've been at this game for many years and I have not gotten to that point...With my years of experience, I've improved the quality of my ht by buying better components, and bigger subs because when it comes to bottom end, bigger is better! By doing that, I have no problem pushing my ht to reference level with no strain! And that to me is Sonic Bliss!

@C--A 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah bigger subs are better as long as they are good performing subs and you have the space available to accommodate them. And yep that's the key having the headroom to hit the home reference level if you choose to play at that level. But 8 or more massive subs playing hot way over the home reference level is overkill! It will give a inaccurate bass presentation plus damage your ears hearing in the mid to long term.

@mdjak3686 3 жыл бұрын

Always a fantastic day when you post.

@Youthman 3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it MDJAK

@IGB231085 4 жыл бұрын

Just to add to another great advice video. Impedance dips are also demanding on amplifiers especially some receivers

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

That is very true. My RF7’s have impedance dips down near 2ohm. Didn’t think to mention that.

@IGB231085 4 жыл бұрын

@@Youthman obviously when buying higher end electronics they can usually deal with such issues

@imissmypeep2209 4 жыл бұрын

I would love to hear your set up! I recently moved into a travel trailer and had to sell all my surround sound equipment. When I get a house again some day I'll be extremely excited to get a home theater system together. With two subs this time. Though I won't be able to afford anything like you have ! Lol, lordy. Great video.

@superdan43 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed.. 🙏🏾

@dennisbohner6876 4 жыл бұрын

What needs to be considered is voltage drop from the power line and the efficiency of the amplifier. If you go all in then you need dedicated lines and if you choose certain amps you can pump 220/240 volts which passes considerably more power to the device. If your amp is designed to run Class 'A', you will need to compensate for the lack of efficiency (usually 75% of the power is turned to heat). If you move up the ladder to newer designs, such as Class 'D', efficiency can exceed 90%. With the Class 'D' you can get more power delivered to your speakers with less waste heat (think ventilation issues, ease of placement), weight and a SMALLER power line. The better power amp modules are sonically indistinguishable from the better traditional designs. So it's not just the speakers which create choke-points for reproduction volumes. You want to get nuts, get a highly efficient amp, speakers and a power line with no other draws than the amp. With a good Class 'D' receiver you should be able to avoid the need of an off board amp. Even if you are venturing into crazy loud then consider the same design as IMPORTANT in an outboard amp. One other added benefit of coll running amplifier, they should last longer. Heat is one of the destructive forces working on your electronics. It's also eco-friendly. Especially when you are running your A/C to go Class 'D'.

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Good info!

@Dirtywhtboy87930 4 жыл бұрын

Dennis Bohner that is why I have a small breaker box at the meter base. I ran all 10 gauge wire as a dedicated circuit for my home theater, actually three runs. One for my electronics that my monster cable power distribution box is plugged into. Another one for my main amps. The last one for my subwoofer duty using QSC RMX pro audio amplification. Now I’m satisfied that everything is truly getting full power.

@bassproable 3 жыл бұрын

Hmm that's a bit of a personal choice. I played live music for years and had different rigs for different venues. So really it depends on your space and room dynamics.

@brianschulz6462 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for awesome content. You mention efficiency of speakers and sensitivity as well. Do you have a video explaining these? I’m going the route of AVR and hope to acquire a Marantz 8012 but don’t want to buy the wrong speakers. I’ve been considering paradigm but would like more input on selecting speakers. Thanks for all your efforts

@stephenbarnes8817 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve always had a saying. Too much is never enough

@FOH3663 4 жыл бұрын

Many good points! Don't underpower you LCRs Clipping=no bueno (simply listening closely one can hear loudspeaker compression, if they're compressing, turn it down) Also remember; It takes 4x excursion to maintain level and drop one octave. So if your sub system can attain reference level in a bass managed 5.1 or 7.1 system (~125dB* or so) at 25hz** to hit achieve that at 12.5hz*** you need to quadruple your sub capability. *(for example worst case scenario, ie, full scale 0dB LFE, +7ch) **(quite difficult) ***(extremely difficult)

@LoudCobra1 4 жыл бұрын

Well in my case I could have gone bigger but the layout and size of the room determined the size of my speakers

@charlesm.9858 4 жыл бұрын

Aloha YouthMan! I believe it all goes back to having a standard in which Lucas came out with years ago.. We know that THX has made that standard Years before anyone else and I believe when we get back to that standard.. it helps put sound quality, Speaker size and position into check other wise it could be so out of proportion but it’s hard to enjoy even at a quality standpoint anything can be loud but without having that standard people tend to get lost into what is to much or to less or asking where or who set that standard in the first place. Just my thoughts 😁🍿 Be safe Sir!! Aloha!

@GrinDiesel1969 4 жыл бұрын

Youthman I knew you were Legit when you said "With speakers, you are going to harm your speakers more by underpowering them than by overpowering them!" Yep, that was the Answer I wanted to hear! Subbed!👍👌

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for subscribing. Lots of videos for you to enjoy on the channel.

@dmgraham69 4 жыл бұрын

very good video and explanation Mike. more may not be better

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you David

@johnf517 4 жыл бұрын

Overkill is what you feel before you get accustomed to the upgrade and then realize it's time for overkill again... I have 2 x SVS PB16s.. I thought those were overkill... Now I want the JTRs you got... LOL

@ThePixelsony 4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agreed with you.

@eddieshirely1462 Жыл бұрын

I Totally agree with you. More is Better. More power more subs more more more.. Yeah boyyie.. This is Even so with the video. Multi Stack configuration with projectors. It gives it so much more punch. Coloring improves considerably. Ohh. By the way. Don't try it.. Its really hard to go back. I failed that part. Haha

@drwinlied 4 жыл бұрын

Not even someone being killed by their own system ("Death by Stereo", Lost Boys, 1987) would be considered overkill. Spend any time on forums/youtube and you'll soon realize (not that you don't already) that in this industry, more is never enough. Also, save yourself some money and stay away from forums/youtube.

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Love the last sentence 😂😂😂

@icantthinkofanoriginalname7818 3 жыл бұрын

Omar japhet Landeros gonzalez are you there head of advertising

@daveycrockett5738 3 жыл бұрын

Lol love the profile pic, Kurt Russell, big trouble in little China’s classic. Also lost boys, another classic. Lol good advice!

@Youthman 3 жыл бұрын

That Yamaha only plays down to 32Hz. It’s designed for venues where they play music that doesn’t have low frequencies. I’ll stick with my JTR Captivator RS2’s that play flat down to 5Hz.

@daveycrockett5738 3 жыл бұрын

Youthman ya me to youthman, I’ll stick with Jtr, cap4000 should be getting in about 3 weeks or so.

@nimlil 4 жыл бұрын

Also, the more subwoofers, the more even the bass is thruout the room (less room modes), so as you said, you don't end up over driving them to fill out the lulls or holes in areas that may not be getting enough bass (even thou other area's may be getting too much . You've talked about room modes in other videos but I don't think you mentioned them here when you were commenting about adding 2 or three more subs ;-)

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

That is certainly a great point.

@mikan004 4 жыл бұрын

For those asking why we need twice amplifier power just for 3db, 50dB is 10 times stronger than 40dB, at least based on measurement where 0 dB is a level that most, if not all humans, cannot hear. The thing that I am trying to say is that the dB scale, is logarithmic, not linear, altough we hear it quite linearly. And I think refrence level (80dB) is the level at which the average human can hear all fequencies from 20Hz to 20kHz well. And it is not exactly the amplifier that moves the driver but rather the magnet, which is powered by the amplifier. Anyway, great video Youthman, extremely informative.

@skizzarz 2 жыл бұрын

18:45 I think it's more than it's overpowering itself than other speakers, it's the overtones that would be the sounds you'd be able to locate from a sub.

@aslanbarsk 3 жыл бұрын

Great video :)

@aaronz7267 4 жыл бұрын

that cracking sound sounds like the voicecoil former smashing against the magnet! probably damaged them a little bit!!! i have ran much higher end car audio subwoofers as well as reconed plenty of them!

@gerardstroh9970 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Youthman!! Gerard Stroh In Tracy Ca.!! I'am Very Big On Subwoofer I Run 3 Big 18's In My Home Theater In My Home Theater and I Have Very Large Cabernets and My 2 of My Subs are 5 Feet Wide & 4 Feet High and 2 Feet Deep and I use 2 Big QSC High Wattidge Power Amps And The Subweefer Don't Have Any Trouble Reproducing Subsonic Bass Below 20 Hertz And You Can Really Feel It!! And All My Speakers Are 98 DB And It's Best To Have More Power Than Not Enough!! I Love Your Tech Talk On Subwoofers!!! I Love Your Channel!!! Keep It Up!!! Bye From Gerard Stroh!!!!

@TransformationalGaming 4 жыл бұрын

I'm like you I need a DSP. I need to understand how noise cancellation works... But to be honest I am really struggling with the room correction like audyssey. I just don't think I've bought in yet..

@larryjackson3145 2 жыл бұрын

YES!!! For one example... if you have small Jamo towers for fronts, but 6 18inch subs... thats overkill!!! At some point, every system will face diminishing returns...

@GunnyPhillips 3 жыл бұрын

I'll say this. There's definitely a such thing as "underkill" and avoiding it is well worth the risk of encountering that mythical threshold called overkill. Great video as always!

@Youthman 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks John. Completely agree

@wendellgayheart9228 4 жыл бұрын

I agree Youthman 👍... it’s kinda like pleasing a woman...small can be enuff but bigger is better because a man doesn’t have to work it as hard 😁

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@williamtoth6186 4 жыл бұрын

But if you got it you’re gonna use it all. Right?

@chrispatterson2115 4 жыл бұрын

@@williamtoth6186 dam right

@mikan004 4 жыл бұрын

Wow bro

@glynmatthews678 10 ай бұрын

That's a great way of explaining it ...youthman should borrow that 😂

@Guitar387 4 жыл бұрын

Would it be overkill ? Absolutely not ! I love this man 😂😂😂

@rmasushige 4 жыл бұрын

Another great video Michael! It's official, I need more subs and amps 😁

@camillocaleffi4028 4 жыл бұрын

bellissimo video e bellissima spiegazione complimenti

@MalitiaHDOfficial Жыл бұрын

Having such powerful subs and over all system, do you have different circuits for something like subs, speakers, etc?

@drew5955 3 жыл бұрын

Hey bro, love your videos. Always informative and well put together. Content is always great. Question... starting to upgrade my old 5.1 to a 7.2.2 or 7.2.4... started looking into LFR and think I like the R820f for left and right and r34c for center... whats your advice? I noticed in one of your videos u have a regular left or right as a center. Is that absolutely necessary?

@Youthman 3 жыл бұрын

An LCR configuration is three identical speakers. This will provide the best performance and an absolute seamless transition when sound pans from one speaker to the next. Is this absolutely necessary? No. It's just the best option.

@shinvergil Жыл бұрын

Thx.

@thiagodelgado3128 4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with u, I've powered a rb61 II 5.1 system with a denon x6500h, man this receiver can't push all potential of this little bookshelf, I'v experienced here, only a power amp can drive maximum levels without make the woofer moves. In denon receiver's sometimes looses control. And even on this bookshelf 105dB is too loud haha.

@LifeofBliss 4 жыл бұрын

I definitely think there's a point of diminishing returns when it comes to spending money on components. But overkill is subjective. I think there are always products and people that will push the limits of what can be done at home. I personally don't believe there is overkill if you are working within your budget and the space is an enjoyable experience

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Agree. It makes for good conversation

@Mark........ 4 жыл бұрын

Great easy to understand vid bud

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@Bryan-hd7nm 4 жыл бұрын

Great video as always youthman! I am looking to upgrade my speakers soon wondering if you can help me out! Looking at new Klipsch reference premier or the Martin Logan’s you unboxed and reviewed not too long ago? Any thoughts? Thanks!

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

It’s always best to listen with your own ears to find out what your ears prefer. Both are great speakers, but do sound different

@johnlira3316 4 жыл бұрын

Great video learned a lot thx SIR keep the videos coming when are we getting a demo?? I know of the copy right but what about of the subs moving or you watching a movie in mute so we can see ur face reaction lol

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Check out this video for a demo - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdBnmryams-RkX0.html

@luciomorales6047 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome videos

@toddroy9558 2 жыл бұрын

Youthman, my room is 12’x24’ I’m planning on using two SVS 16” plus ported subs. Now will adding one or two more of those subs, will that allow me to get those real lows?

@thecollectorscrypt4792 2 жыл бұрын

How did you connect your klipsch subs together? I have the same subwoofer a d would like to add 2 more. My denon x3700h only has 2 sub ports

@Youthman 2 жыл бұрын

Get a Y RCA adapter to split the signal from the AVR to two of your subs.

@ronmerkus5941 4 жыл бұрын

I have to agree with you , that manufacturers do play this big wattage game in the AV receiver , especially in the car audio market......there is a few things one should look out for if you enter that market . As in Ohm's rating in the 1 ohm stable to 0.5 ohm stable , and not just look at the wattage output of a amp!

@Youthman 4 жыл бұрын

Car audio is pretty bad at doing that as well

@Evil_Peter 4 жыл бұрын

I'd say that overkill should be seen as balancing gain and budget. For example, if you have amplification that lets you play at your desired listening level without any distortion or other negative effects it will be overkill to increase amp power (since you already have the headroom you need, and amplifier quality is something different) if that means that you can't spend as much on something else, like room treatment which often is something that is very neglected relative to the effort put into the audio system. When money isn't a factor then I agree that there is no problem with overkill.