Foley criticizes everything nowadays so no surprise. Secondly it’s not the attitude era no more so the Chair and kendo stick is all we got when we get “extreme”

Why so u can look like him? Lmao nah I'm good

No thanks he's a masochist who had a dream job

He's just an emasculated Twitter SJW like Batista. And this is coming from someone who's a fan of Foley and Batista.

@@Takerfan-nr5bk speak that truth good on ya..

Yeah because it was bull, wish they let Asuka go ham like her "skull reaper" Kana days of old sometimes lol

Batista is awesome. I remember how pissed he was when WWE split up the Hurt Business. That was stupid on Vince's part and he knows it.

@@zeospark9715 cry more furry

​@@Podgorski37 Lol alright random dumbass on the internet

@@zeospark9715 imagine liking your own comments 🤡

Yeah he does you gotta get ready to make the catch if that spot goes down, but literally all standing there arms up in the air like the guy is ready to go crowd surfing looks really dumb.

A much better idea would be to look like their going for the dive only to bodyslide from under the bottom rope to tackle them

Jr is right

Good luck getting AEW to listen. if it isn't a spot fest of choreographed gymnastics and doing ten running knees in a row without selling...it ain't AEW.

@@juicepouch1 QQ++

It's like the super kick, so many moves used to be big impact moves are now just as big as a slap.

Agreed. It's not a bad spot at all, but when we see it nearly every week or see it more than once during a show, it loses the wow factor and becomes just another transitional spot that joins former finishers as just another part of the move set.

i agree kinda. i love a good suicide dive but there is a difference between big e bulldozing through 1 person and the scenario jr describes 😅

@@jbj7599 so pretty much every young bucks match 🤣🤣🤣🤣 constant jumpstarts and countless kicks

@@jbj7599 young bucks ruined the superkick.

It would be different if it didn't happen in almost every match and if you couldn't call the spot from a mile away

He was 100% right. It's the most obviously choreographed thing and it makes completely devoid of excitement. When you see everyone bunch together like that, you know someone will be jumping in.

- Jim Cornette

@@zenos02 punches and headlocks happen every single match and you see them coming from a mile away as well…. It’s wrestling bro…

@@ZachGatesHere bro… it’s 2021 and we talkin about WRESTLING. It’s ALL obviously choreographed… when a guy drops down after shooting someone off the ropes you know what’s gonna happen… in fact, shooting someone off the ropes is way less believable than anything else in wrestling lmaooo…. It’s 2021 … like if you can’t wrap your head around the fact everyone has wrapped their head around what wrestling is then you’re either an idjit or Jim Cornette.

And u know what the crazy part is? the sword kinda works

@@Notsbaby no it's goofy and childish ffs

🤣🤣🤣

@Ziyan’s Power lol funny wrestling is fake and nobody likes you

@Ziyan’s Power well no offense dude and I'm sorry for saying things to you but atleast movies accept they're fake but wrestlers don't do it and the sword is too goofy and not in a good way

I remember Gregory Helms doing a version of it in WWE before Jericho used it

Yeah foley doesn‘t care about his own body but about others he does so i actually understand him, he really did all his sick stuff just for our entertaining imo he deserves the most respect

Look how much it shortened he's career. I think he's just looking out for other's

That wasn't a criticism of Foley. It's to say how dangerous Sasha was being.

It's common courtesy to ask for permission.

@Bro Dawg but because of mick Foley, the bumps have got bigger and more dangerous just to get that kind of reaction again...

I always hate to say these words. But "Jim Cornette is right." A move is nothing if you don't sell it. One of my big issues when I watched AEW in the beginning (I think it was a Young Bucks match) was the progression of impact move to impact move without any time taken to sell the moves. And you can make an argument that Foley started it with taking a move worse than any ever given to anyone in the continental United States of America**... and continuing the match. Then _accidentally_ taking a worse one that didn't look as strong to the naked eye, but was still obviously bad... and continuing the match. Then getting put away with two moves that definitely didn't match up to those two... then coming back out for the Main Event. It could've killed any and all injury storylines for all time, having someone that REALLY injured keep going... though they did manage to mainly get Mick over as the legitimate toughest man in all of wrestling instead. ** Okay, I just thought of some scaffold matches, especially in the extreme places in the country, which could get away with being called more extreme than the Cell table bump. They weren't exactly well known to the mainstream though.

@Bro Dawg Reading comprehension is a problem for you, apparently. It became a stunt show instead of a performance: It ruined bumps because they had to keep being bigger and more dangerous.

@@cypher515 Good comment. However, as someone who hated AEW for the reasons you outline, I have to give them credit for the last month or so of events. Good to Great matches, much less choreographed no-sell nonsense, and good stories. If you aren't watching, now is the time to give it a run.

That was Vince McMahon that told Foley not to do that kind of bump again

He's the man of one thousand and four holds.

Jericho invented everything

Including the armbar

Dean Malenko was just about to publish his move set, Jericho attacked him and signed the book. Making him owner of all moves

ARMBAR!

Johnny Ace was the one who innovated it, so the humor is twofold.

And guess who Randy Orton asked for permission and blessing to use the diamond cutter?

@@John-bj1zx like hell he did.

@@Rjensen2 Believe it or not, it's the facts.

@@Rjensen2 Yup it was Johnny ace that invented that move, just like it was mickey whipreck who came up with the stunner (sort of lol) and Scott Steiner first hit the 450 splash (young Steiner was a freak).

Definitely a filler entry

Wrestling is dumb and staged

I mean, I accept the spot if it's earned. Such as in a tag or 6-man tag where one team sets it up. But in most cases, people just gather around and wait for the high flyer.

Suicide dives were once special moves that were only busted out when the wrestlers had nothing left to lose and r willing to put their own bodies on the line for it...that's y it's called a "SUICIDE" dive...and doing it every single week on weekly television is just diluting the whole idea and concept of the move

There are tons of examples where moves are "off limits" to protect the allure of them. Why else are we to belive this move, that everyone does, is particularly more powerful?

@@stevendycus9559 If they're off limits, they're off limits by the company, in which case performers know not to do them in risk of punishment.

Well you could be like Goldberg or Adrian Neville who made their moves so difficult to hit that no one wants to copy them 😂

Bunch of cry babies

I mean Taker has no ill will towards Kane. And he used all of Taker’s moves. Taker’s is pretty unique and memorable too so it’s more obvious I guess

And Steph slapping wrestlers…

We all were

John Cena is not a Wrestling Fan he's a body builder

to me if anyone could pull off kicking out of the Burning Hammer, I would personally say it's Kota Ibushi. but it should be clear IF you do said move, Ibushi should be OUT ON HIS FEET. To explain, Ibushi in NJPW kicked out of the three BomaYes (Kinshasas) but the way it was sold, it was clear it was purely reflex, Ibushi was dead on his feet and was put away with one more. If ANYTHING, IF you're kicking out of that kind of insane move, that's how. Like even if Kendrick just Cena Punched him for the three I'd buy it. Then again... this is WWE so I'm asking too much.

@@immersion726 finishers should be protected. If not, then More wrestlers should kick out of finishers like ibushi sold the 3 bumayes. They gotta sell it like they just came back from dying at least for 10 seconds.

@@thewarmestgarbage6007 100% yes. Like Ibushi made it clear he was straight up out on his feet. Like it should be a straight up kick out, they're on their feet then BANG. They're not even moving, eyes glassed over and even a fingerpoke could finish them

It wasn’t a Death Valley driver.

I feel like for once, Batista agrees with everyone else.

Sorry, but Asuka is overrated and overbooked.

@@funtimefreddie9637 she’s 10x the wrestler Becky is.

@@simsingh8492 Nope.

@@simsingh8492 I totally agree

They said inverted ie reverse

You land on your head/neck on a Death Valled Driver as well.

Speaking of Wade. The wasteland seemed pretty close to the FU

If memory serves correctly yes

*he

A lot of big guys were, big show even used the moonsault as his finisher at one point

Why was undertaker mad that he used the sunset flip or whatever? I wasn't watching back then...

Sadly, Nash tore a quad reading this post

His quads weren’t talented

@@williamtoccijr9579 lmaoooo

Clueless

How about Kofi Kingston's cage match with Dolph Ziggler? Door is open, Dolph is crawling out while Kofi is clear across the ring, suddenly he dives out to hit the ground first. I thought that was really creative (and REALLY dangerous, especially as he clipped his foot on the middle rope in so doing).

That move is also used by like 20 other people. It’s just a back elbow

I think Mick's point wasn't so much "don't do that many chair shots" it was more "If you're going to do that much you need a DAMN good reason for it story wise. Don't just blast a guy 20 times and then go nowhere with it." But yeah, the Rock's shots were definitely much harder to watch. The swings were more brutal, they were headshots, and Foley was handcuffed so he couldn't even put his arms up. It's downright painful to watch.

He’s not a piñata! Delicious candy isn’t gonna explode out of him if you hit him with a chair enough times. Isn’t he the one who took the 18 foot drop off a cage? If so then he’s REALLY an authority of what is taking it too far

I think most people were

But is six pac a legend?

@@simsingh8492 imo he is

@@taimoorhussain6062 guess so. He was entertaining for sure

He pretty much paved the way for cruiserweights in WWF, not that Vince would typically give any of them a huge push, but Waltman definitely helped move the bar.

Yeah, what exactly is the problem with Nash doing a sunset flip? Is it that it's dangerous? Takes away from the mystique of the "big man"? I don't get it.

Piss off its the ace crusher

The RKO is pretty distinct. Fast and explosive to the point that, " RKO from out of nowhere! Became a meme. No one was ever going to describe the Diamobd Cutter as sudden.

I hope you're over 30

@@oxtheunlikelycontemplator2682 and I hope you're under 20. In fact, you must be.

@@jamesmiller5331 almost 40 😂

Cena’s finisher was originally the F-U (but is now the AA), a pun on Lesnar’s F-5 so Cena’s move was meant to look somewhat similar to the F-5 so that’s why he hasn’t said anything to Brock

You are giving Cena way too much credit. He is a known ego maniac who uses his power to get what he wants. He is basically a modern day Hogan

@@ben1ben2ben1 This is literally not true, most people hated Hogan while a lot of people have nothing but praise for John

Ikr...I always found the concept of owning a move to be just the stupidest...who cares if someone has the same move...in fact having the same moves can lead to interesting story telling...just look at Eddie Guerrero and RVD's fewd centered around who does the better frog splash

Lol acting like I'm gonna let anyone steal my world famous punch. I'll die on that hill!

Rock's Sharpshooter looks just as shitty as Sting's sad Scorpion Deathlock. It sucks.

…..gotta be, because Orton stole that move from Page.

@@thepoeticbutcher3370 it’s me it’s me, it’s DDP. Dynamic resistances bitches

The FU or AA is just a lamer F5

What? No it isn't, it's a standing Fireman's Carry, nothing to do with the F5 other than both carrying opponents on their shoulders

The FU/AA is nothing like the F-5. It’s a crappy Death Valley Driver at best. Brock’s finish is unique.

In b4 Karens come into this thread trying to correct you on Reks' gender

*He

Because it's a list of spots that pissed off *legends.*

I've heard that when DDP retired, he told Orton to take the Diamond Cutter to the next level

Both DDP and John laurenaitus told him to use the move

There is a slight difference in execution between moves but yeah.. Basically the same.

Shatter machine is also a fancy name, as well as every other one you mentioned tyvm

dErP

That's because he grew up in professional wrestling not independent wrestling.

I may not agree with Jim on a lot of AEW wrestling......but his hatred of far right republicans is a bond that can't be broke lol

@@nebraskajoenelson8987 Cornette hates all conservatives, not just "far right".

@@Muhammadwasapedo I know....but me personally believe their are smart republicans out there ....just a lot more dumb ones lol.

@@z216ghost Cornette grew up in the era where turnbuckle catapult's and spinning toe holds were finishers. The most obvious staged finishers you could ever do.

Yeah, because he totally didn't acknowledge that strong possibility in the video, right? RIGHT?! Well, at least you felt cool for 21 minutes....

@@GrymmSoul I know it. But why put in the fucking video if it is so clearly plotline? Padding? Get out of here.

I saw some comments here be annoyed at Randy lmao

In Khali's defense, he didn't have many moves before stealing that one from Big Show.

Big show should stfu since Andre the Giant did that all the time.

I wonder what happened to Big Show after that punch...

Pretty sure that's a good way to get the wrestlers you work with make you look like shit on purpose, and badmouth you to booking and ban you out of the locker room and who knows how much other hazing depending on the organization. Wrestling, as a business is like...at least 50% high school politics. It's not one where it pays to have enemies.

@@rustyshackleford2950 you have a really good point . I just don’t think it’s fair that some wrestlers are so damn sensitive and don’t let others wrestle the way they wish.

Likewise. I had to actually pause the video because I wasn't clicking to the point, found the wiki article, and realised what I was hearing. Seriously quite impressed by the respect given.

Nah

What’s a pronoun

To big chungas, some include her, he, she, him, them

Wrestlers and wrestling fans have come such a long way. Very proud.

Vs Nyla Rose.

@@havensinclair3832 why?

Wrestlers have huge egos which leads to a not insignificant amount of pride and hypocrisy Who knew

"misgendering" Sheesh we need to go back before 2015

Yeah I had to go back and remember that she transitioned earlier this year I believe or last year

The original Lion Tamer was different from the Boston Crab. He stood upright and drove his knee into the opponent's back. Then he changed it because the Boston Crab is more versatile. But otherwise, yeah. Your point is a good one.

Well, did you saw him doing that again after that match? If not then you know what happened