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No kidding! We used to do some of these in gym class back in the 1970's

@@kelleychilton2524 Girl do what you mean I did 11 of these last school year for school it's been over 50 years and they still don't know these are bad?

@@Hestaka Most PE teachers just don't care and stick to textbook exercise... And kids are less likely to get hurt (and heal fast) from those exercises. Now we know, why PE teachers can't give a proper example for those exercises 😒

@@kelleychilton2524 ah the good old days

Thanks. Extremly important information!!

Thank you for the advice! I'm 17 and I will never bend and twist at the same time again. But I'm a dancer, so let's see how that goes.

🤣he says, "if you want to Hutt your back, this is what you should do."

You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but don't pick your friend's nose.

@@donf4227 😅🤣

Thank you!!!

You really need more likes

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Thanks

very useful, thanks

all that for 9 likes

@@noggadock6150 It was 0 back when I started so I consider this a good investment

@@noggadock6150100 now :)

Literally my entire military career in one video.

@@jodimcdonald4356 I know right New PRT

They force you to do all of these in gym class

Jodi McDonald I think this is why physical therapists should be teaching exercise rather than personal trainers.

Ash_OutcastsOfSuburbia when they shouldn’t be.

Ikr I’m 14 with a lot of knee, ankle, WRIST, foot and upper back pain 😞. My wrists hurt so bad and are sore that I don’t want to pick up anything. Doing similar workouts and I have ran 5 miles two days in a row before. I have to be careful what I do and make sure I rest.

you should never come up that much .....it does not work your core. only slight upward motion then the tension goes away from your core

@@lowestoflows2 me too! I feel like I am too weak

No pain, no gain.

@@subs4794 that saying refers to the muscles, not the BONES

SAME!! even at a young age, and eventually i /did/ injure a disc trying to ignore those pops as "normal"like i was told

idk situps was never a thing in my place, was always crunches.

You have to disengage the lower back while doing them. But yeah there are better exercises

It probably throw your dogs body off too.

@@dianeyoung8068 facts

How's your dog 🐶?

You must have sit a lot im general Bad blood and nerve supply You dont need a hip replacememt from just that

​@@backbone93 Please use correct English when giving out medical advice.

I was going to say, I think many of us have! Over the years most of us were either taught these exercises either in school, sports, or the military.

Yep...I now know why I have chronic tendonitis and joint pain in my knees and elbows in my early thirties...

@@111Phoenix777 i have started working out at home about 20 days back and I'm doing triceps bench dips... I myself knew that something is wrong maybe I'm hurting my shoulder then i saw this video and it got confirmed... Can you suggest me few alternatives..!?

@@null2639shw I don't know if I know anymore about it than you. I'm still learning myself. I never liked doing tricep bench dips ever. They always hurt my shoulders, even when I was a young man. Last year with all the gyms being closed I broke down and bought a pull-up/dip station for home and was glad I did. And I've been using exercise bands with that to decrease the weight, since I can no longer lift my own body weight. With the few exercises I do these days, I avoid the extremely wide grips which I always started with and emphasized when I was a young man. Also I'm taking MSM and Glucosamin Chondroitin every day to save what's left of my joints. I would recommend either using a dip station, or two tables or chairs on either side of you, about shoulder width apart, so you can start with your hands directly under your shoulders or slightly in front of you, so you're avoiding the extreme angle rotation on your shoulders

One of the books that Zahabit recommended was Dr. Kelly Starrett's and Glen Cordoza's "Becoming a Supple Leopard" (2015). I bought the book a few months ago, but have yet had a chance to read it cover to cover. On pages 216 to 217 though, it talks about dips, and the importance of keeping your forearms vertical throughout the exercise. I'm not sure that I've been doing that, so I'm learning here too. Also, it recommends that you use a dip station that's high enough off the ground that you don't have to bend your legs during the exercise. I haven't been doing that either, but not sure what my alternatives are. All the gyms are still closed, and it's impractical for me where I live to buy a set of parallel bars. I think we're all just doing the best we can with what we have. I'm not in pain when I do my limited exercise routine, yet, so I'm lucky. But I guess I could use some work on my form.

Marlelar Marlelar yes!!!

Totally! I thought they would

Absolutely. It's so annoying saying we have healthy alternatives but not giving them! Maybe it's a way of making us watch their 2000 videos trying to find them...

I agree would've been better to do less that were wrong & do alternatives. 🤣🤣👌

Better than alternatives, learn how to improve your body so you *can* do these things safely. There are thousands of good KZfaq videos showing good progressions. The body is made to move in all kinds of ways and if you pay attention not to force things, your body will adapt.

Congratulations, keep it up!

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Yeah, props to you! I hate to say it, but the hard part is just starting (if you had that weight on for a long time.) I put on about 15 pounds after a Soccer injury 30 years ago, and it stayed on for quite a while. I have lost it a couple of times, but it always came back, until this last time. This time I lost it as you did- just by staying active for a long period of time (not really even thinking about the weight issue.). (Pickleball.) Now my weight is 2 pounds more than when I played College Soccer, and has been for almost a year. I think if you enjoy the exercise you're getting, you'll probably successfully keep it off, but it you're eating and /or exercising in an unpleasant way just to lose weight, probably not going to work long term.

Good job!

Just keep on adjusting the routines to your changing weight. Really fat people are basically a walking gym. If they could strip away the fat there'd be quite a set of muscles underneath, at least below the waist. But while you lose weight, you are basically working out with decreasing weight....

I agree with that man!

same

@@padaleczwyczajny9185 they have done on one it’s old but gold

@@3zek0 do you have the link?

@@khakishark kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p72BprCApseUaJc.html

IKR! :-)

That has to go be bill wurtz

I hope they saw this comment! Can I ask, did you end up making a video about the alternative exercises?

@@AJames-xs2xr if you need a theme song let me know

Yes pleeeease

I found it kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m56UrLOXvdGYYoE.html

The alternatives video is at kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m56UrLOXvdGYYoE.html or search for Alternatives For 15 Common Exercises You Should NEVER DO! (By Popular Demand)

Km Trn you’re 50?!?! You look like you’re in your 20s!

Oh nooo! I hope your doctor ordered a bone densitometry for you/ check for osteoporosis!

@Reaper5.56 Xx lol 9 months later and someone still replies

Reaper5.56 Xx good observation

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right?! same here

Basically. YEAH mine too

take the blue pill. and wake up.

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Just go for long walks then ?

Consistency is key! Glad that we could make you happy :)

Don't forget heavy schoolbooks..on the hip or backpack back in the 60s. my back is a crash.

I think every trainer at a gym should watch their videos, especially this one.

that video would be soooo long haha

I avoid gym memberships. I'm 67 years old. I cannot afford physically nor financially the "no pain, no gain" philosophy. That lands people in the Hospital and a lot of pain. I'll pass.

As we wait for that video, you might want to check out "Weight training without injury: Over 350 step-by-step pictures including what not to do" book

Most personal trainers are just enthusiastic about training. Edit: they don't have any formal education on exercise safety; they just LOVE the field.

That's because physical therapy and weight training are wildly different. Done with proper form, most of the exercises mentioned are safe...

​@@wilfreddv are you sure I have read plenty of comments and all of them says they got problems ... Later everyone blames the form ... Nobody actually is considerate about the problem someone is going through

Not wholly true sir. I survived 60's PE, have no military time and ABSOLUTELY have no back pain or problems whatsoever. I also did not do sports in school. Guess I'm just lucky,.... though I personally, I call it "being blessed" ! Hope you can find a remedy of some sort for your back. Thank you for your service !

Dips are great-just not bench dips-which force your shoulder to the end of the range of motion.

I would say the the critique is on the position of the hand/arm on the Tricep Dip.

Thanks

Thanks

Gary Thompson there’s only one way to run on a track

Jeff Cavalier gives alternative to some of these exercises

Randolf you may want to check their other videos, they have given alternatives in other videos

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My suggested videos right now shows one of their videos with the title "7 exercises you should do every day". That sounds like a good place to start!

6:00 ho half way?

Bumble Bee what do you do to strengthen shoulders? I guess I'm gonna stop doing military presses.

Tyler T I've seen Athlean-X recommended dumbbell shoulder presses with your arms around 30-40 degrees in front of the body

those are traps...try "bat wings" exercises or anything to strengthen the trap muscles. they are essential for me I have scoliosis and really help

thanks for the tip, checked it out and really like the channel!!

The only thing they would probably disagree on is Russian twists. I've seen Jeff do those in a V-sit position, and his rotation core movements often include spine flexion. A few years ago Jeff did say spine flexion combined with rotation caused hernia, but he still does that in his videos. I don't know about Jeff's experience with patients/athletes with herniated lower back (and that seems to be one area he hasn't had an injury), but that seems to be the weak spot of his channel. Even on the video about sciatica he went on to talk about fake sciatica and offered solution for that, though his recommendation of daily spine decompression is in line with the hernia treatment shown in this channel. Still, most of Jeff's 1 million ab exercises are really problematic for people with herniated disks, but he would just tell you to strengthen your hips instead of coming up with lower back friendly movements as he does with knees, shoulders, wrists and elbows. Even for flat feet he has incredible exercise tweaks, but not much on lower back problems.

After 10 years of constant chiropractic treatments, I came to the conclusion that it’s quackery. I finally improved when I quit getting adjustments, changed jobs, and began exercising again.

@@MrTeff999 Yup. It's not medically sound.

@@9UaYXxB Wisdom is known of her children. What would you say of those people who got significant improvement after visiting a chiropractor? Modern is as scientific as it is political.

@@omusaatsawatuukha2513 What would you say to those people that have experienced paralysis or other medical emergencies after visiting a chiropractor? Remember it is not technically medical treatment or necessary, and therefore not worth the risk of death or grave injury. Popping your knuckles feels good until you develop severe arthritis.

@@Chunkable999 People who have suffered back pains for years will disagree with you on whether it is "technically medical treatment or necessary." There are people who have experienced medical emergencies after taking drugs recommended to them by doctors.

Erosenkohl athlean x is your answer

@Jon Beck KZfaq channel

@Jon Beck he's targeting athletes and people who want to build functional strength. Also check out some of his older videos, there aren't as many gimmicks but still full of great information. You dont need to look any farther than his professional athlete clients or absolutely shredded physique to see he knows what he is talking about. In addition, just because he promotes strength training doesnt mean you'll turn into a mass monster if you follow his workout regime.

Jon Beck literally anything you need you can find on his channel. hes the best. he even has videos about an uncommon bone deformity which i have and helped me. he trains athletes for a living

@@shravanpoloju8311 He recommends the tricep dips these guys say are bad...

Then why do you even bother going to a gym?

Barry Wainwright exactly my thoughts. None of that really has much to do with the gym. Most moderate workout moms have more equipment then they mentioned in this video. Dude full of it or he’s been throwing money out the window.

@@ferngully3481 why judge the person. they may have a gym buddy or are more consistent when going to a physical gym. why judge what they do at a gym. they also said only 50%. the other 50% is likely them using equipment that the gym provides.

Georga Seebalack Ikr they are being dumb

Absolutely

Yes exactly this and to do Time under Tension when coming down from extension light weight. Count to 4.

Mmmhhh,,, your healthy knees could be because of your genetics, you didn't ride wild horses, work on a ranch, or raced motocross??

@@luisfelix7989 Nope, I didn't do any of those, so what you say may be a factor. But, I was a postal worker for thirty-five years. I watched a lot of co-workers limp out of here into retirement. So, maybe a little genetics, a little excercise, and a little luck.

This.

A lot of these claims have actually been dunked by further research..movements aren't bad. It's improper loading that generally gets people hurt

Most importantly, focus on your form more than the numbers of weight or reps that you do. At least at first. A good exercise with bad form is no better than a bad exercise with good form

great!

I agree.

Definitely, never take away walking from citizens.

joggers need to ante up for those wide shoulders then. Roads are for vehicles not your fitness routine. Bikers are not pedestrians they are considered a vehicle, as such they have to follow the rules of the road just as a car. If a town wants to use taxpayer/ public funds on bike paths fine , but otherwise ..... With the traffic bicyclists! Against the traffic pedestrians.

KZfaq says 1 year ago... Kor, how have you been doing? Having neck and lower back pain myself (when sitting down) and wondering if you've had any big improvement...:)

Chop Carry how is ur back now? Updates?

Everyone thinks they're a personal trainer these days as you need little to no qualifications to class yourself as 1.. Be very careful on who you ask for advice and always do your research when someone gives you new information, don't just take their word for it!!

If I were you I'd go back and tell him so he doesn't hurt other people!

My trainer had me doing majority of these as well. Most of these exercises never felt comfortable when doing them anyway, plus I already have back issues and I’d leave feeling horrible after a workout. There was probably a reason why I felt uncomfortable doing these because they’re not meant to be doing lol

You should go see a physical therapist so they can tell you what exercises you should do to keep your back healthy and to prevent from getting hurt.

me too! couldn't exercise anything for over two weeks after that

Zechariah Pena You should go see a physical therapist. Take advantage of your insurance!!!

@@bremenfan29 take advantage of the disability too

Do you have a link to this study?

@@Darkdude38 pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24673446/ (The study only tested 10 healthy people, which is not much.)

@@Darkdude38just trust him bro

@@sebastiandaoust7836 lol, yeahh i could, but i would like to see his source, which he indeed sent to me

@@Flovus thank you

a male massage therapist? like a massage therapist for men or a massage therapist who is a man?

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I do some but my back pains are gone, maybe I do it a more moderate way?

I feel you buddy I used to train abs 2-3 times a day for 7 years when I used to box and now my back is FUCKED!!

Lol not according to the VA, apparently damaged shoulders, knees and ankles are not service related.

Edgar Valdez So sorry, Edgar. That's terrible. What did you do for the military? God Bless you for your service. 🇺🇸

I feel like an alternate title for this video could be “PT Leader’s favorite exercises”

Yeah but they never have you doing back extensions right?

thanks for that input, i've been reading through the comments and was thinking the same thing. it's so important not to cause fear avoidance behavior in people, but actually educate them about the importance of conditioning and gradual increase in load and intensity! our spines and our bodies in general are made to move in all directions and the tissues are able to adapt to stressors!

Agreed

i was thinking the same thing. also, if twisting the spine is bad, then yogis and dancers would be having the worst back pain by I've never heard of that.

Au contraire-- good instruction emphasizes protecting the lower spine. Now an RYT, I found many yoga postures were great for strengthening the area to protect a slipped disk. When I teach spinal twists, I first explain the anatomy with illustrations and the move (need to engage and lift first) before we try it. Plank...?? Maybe a collapsed side plank?

I went back to the yoga studio last month after a year of only going a handful of times. I've been going 3x a week and have more aches and pains now, especially my lower back! It's so frustrating because I love it so much.

Yep. I did all of these exercises in the USMC and once I hit my 40s I needed back surgery. Looking back, I have to wonder if all that stress put on my lumbar spine with 70+ pound rucks and these sort of exercises contributed to my back issues. Actually, I don't have to wonder, I'm pretty sure what I did in the Marines absolutely led to the back surgery.

15 years in the British Army (Infantry) We did the same ,now we're mostly in our 50's all broken and in constant pain with back knee and hip injuries .🤔

@@stevebelam2378 I can only imagine how much it is costing our governments in veteran's benefits. But I'm sure it really isn't an issue for them as they have billions to send to Ukraine... I have noticed that the US military has significantly improved the boots and ergonomics of gear over the 30 years since I served. I'm sure all the back, hip, knee, and foot injuries of veterans had something to do with it.

As a physiotherapist who received my bachelors and 1 year training in this century: this is bullshit! These guys are so outdated.

I agree with adi here, don't trust these guys. They are just spreading baloney

+ Jorgen how so? or are you just trolling

Crazy I read your comment at the same time I heard these guys in the video say this

adijump they received their PhD on physiotherapy... so I find your statement confusing.

discolissa666 you can say that again!

Basically... Yeah because you don't want to keep that up till you're 65.

damage is already done during younger age by doing bad excercises, its just that after 40 body starts to show the damage done

Everyone needs to! I'm 22 and I was taught all these exercises

Yes please help us understand right way to work out without hurting ur joints.

Chuck Kolb I think the difference between a yoga twist and the "windmill" they're talking about is that a good yoga twist should have proper alignment, where it's almost pure rotation. Boat pose too - if your core isn't strong enough to keep a neutral spine and good alignment, you should do the easier version

@@hailhummus yes! They even said boat is bad for your back in another video, but if you are able to keep proper alignment it doesn't have to be risky

Yes!!!! And some of the inversions are horrible for your neck.

Same thing with dance. There are a lot of movements that you have to do with perfect alignment, and most people who aren’t dancers or who don’t do yoga don’t have nearly enough instruction on how to align and extend rather than compress when you do side stretch/ strengthening movement & positions. I spend about 1/4 of my beginning dance classes (for adults) on getting properly aligned in the movements, especially extensions.

Right!Headstands wrecked my neck.

Show me one exercise in this video that is "dangerous" . Guess what ? there are none. Dangerous is crossing the road without looking, not body weight exercises. I can do these exercises in the video all day, and no pain. A lot of them are beneficial, like Upright rows and dips. They are only bad if done with such bad form, or in a way that might aggravate an existing injury.

I'm guessing from your picture that you're a young guy (under 40), so of course you can do anything. Sooner or later your joints will wear out and you'll understand the wisdom of playing it safe, as Bob and Brad recommend.You'll be able to lift for many more years if you follow their advice!

And I do a lot of those in yoga

I think this happenend to me, any thought on how to fix?

They said don’t bend and twist …. But is bending alone bad?

@@junior29557 what I read was straighten back, slightly bend knees, then bend over. Basically bend over at your hips rather than leading with your head if that makes sense. That’s what I was doing

@@marciab1279 A forward fold is not bad. In fact, it can be very good for your back by stretching tight hamstrings. You should bend at your hips and a little spinal flexion is not a bad thing. The problem is people end up forcing the bend putting a lot of pressure on the back. Those without flexibility should modify by bending their knees.

same as any american p.e. (phys ed) class

@@jupeter24 Not just American. And the gyms.

😂😂

The advice given in this video is almost completely consistent with CrossFit coaching. I think the only major discrepancies were sit ups and pressing overhead.

A fisiotherapist told me he loves people doing crossfit, "it´s good for the business", he said.

@@v4extreme And upright rows can be used as an accessory for your clean

@@v4extreme A note - upright rows CAN be safe if you keep the elbows down, as opposed to flaring them up. That's what causes internal rotation. That's why cleans are relatively safe for the body as compared to the variation of the upright row presented here, even though you do them with a lot more weight.